Celtic Banter Archive January 07 2015

07 Jan 2015 21:47:39
I have just read on CQN that Bobby Madden is to referee the cup semi final, according to them he used to be a season ticket holder at Ibrox.
If this is true, where else in world football would this be allowed to happen?

It's true and I also have been told that Madden use to travel up to referee matches on a Rangers' supporters bus .

This information should be made public by any means possible. How long must we tolerate this?

That can't be true! Can it?

I'm aware of the chit chat that he's a Rangers man but travelling to referee games on a supporters bus! What!? I would like to say it's shocking, but it actually isn't. I'm a paranoid little tim for the Rangers game now.

Andy Goram could be the ref and we still wouldn't have an excuse for not winning that game!

Used to travel to the games on supporter buses lol that's one way to save on fuel I suppose

08 Jan 2015 19:04:17
I'm pretty sure all the match officials must travel to and from the game together. Sounds a bit strange I know. Ed can you back me up on that one?

{Ed007's Note - I don't know about officials travelling together to be honest, it's not something I've ever came across. I do know that they have to be at the stadium 1 1/2 hours before K.O. and after a quick look through the rules I can't see anything about them travelling together.}

08 Jan 2015 22:08:23
I'm sure Clattenberg got into a row for going to something stupid like a Mcbusted concert straight after a game thus not following procedure. Maybe I've o'd on lemsip tho.

08 Jan 2015 22:11:47
It was actually Ed Sheerin

07 Jan 2015 18:13:05
Here we go, I will light the touch paper.
Chad Evans:
My thoughts are that the guy should be allowed to get on with his life.
Done the crime and the time.

thoughts??

Not a chance! Markie. Not for that crime. Markie

CPRS, you should contact your local Housing Department and tell them your totally fine with a convicted sex offender and rapist moving in next door to you. I just hear they usually struggle to rehouse these kinda offenders in the area as most folk don't have the same attitude as you.

He has duty to clear his name before even attempting to restart career.

He was judged guilty and is currently finishing his sentence. If you believe he wasn't guilty then that's another story, but if you are taking him on as a convicted rapist its not going to look good for the club.

If we are going to give people a sentence then surely when they finish it they should be given a chance to show they have learnt and changed back in society. But he does not naturally warrant another shot at a professional football club. I would not want him at celtic that's for sure.

A hope that was just s wind up cprs, but incase your serious about the, done the crime, done the time remark, obviously you've never had anything like his crime happen to someone you know eh, he might have done his time but the person he committed the crime against will serve their time forever, I'm no even going to get into it with you just a total crass and stupid post

Never at our club mate. Wether he has served his time or not, he is a convicted rapist. Football has moved on from the men and boys on terracing. Now it's just as much about females and family's. How can anyone take there wife or daughter knowing he is playing. And what example is it setting anyone who takes there son.

Get on with his life fair enough, rehabilitation, where deemed by the justice system, is important. But not as a pro footballer. Representing a football club these days carries so much responsibility, not least that of being a role model. Then there's the importance of football clubs roles in community and society. The man himself, has shown no remorse, not even giving a public (or private, reportedly) apology to a young woman who has had to move from home and change her name. He has also refused to condemn those who through social media have hounded, threatened and further abused his victim. The chaos that will swallow any club that takes him will just be too much. Good luck to Oldham on that front.

{Ed007's Note - You can't really blame the guy for the idiots on social media, it's not his responsibility and his lawyers will have told him not to comment on it. It's funny how the same people who stuck up for Tonev see this as such an open and shut case.}

07 Jan 2015 19:43:43
i know that this is a very serious issue and did not post this lightly ,was playing devils advocate,
This is how some people will see it,
was never intended to offend.

if I have then I unreservedly apologies.

Rape is a crime that's abhorrent and unforgivable so its no surprise that supporters of clubs (including sponsors) don't want associated with him.think it would be difficult for him to even find employment outside of football as he's become infamous and companies won't want their reputations tarnished by employing him.

07 Jan 2015 19:31:51
Doubt he even done it tbh. I seen tweets from the lassie he supposedly raped and she was talking 2 her pal about what she would spend her money on that she's got from all the publicity. If anyone else had been raped is this what you would be doing? doubt it lol probs another daft lassie who's been pumped off a player and said she was forced 2 get some money out it and tarnished a guys name, wouldn't be the 1st time

It's a tricky one but I actually agree with the OP. he's served his time, it may not be the full sentence but that's not up to him. I think he should be allowed to get on with his life. I'm not sure I would want to be a footballer after what he was convicted of but if it's what he wants to be a footballer in the limelight that's up to him. That said, I wouldn't want him at Celtic

Sorry cprs didn't read your post properly. You may not agree with me!

On the point about him showing no remorse, if he is genuinely innocent then I can understand him not apologising.

That's a fair comment Ed. Not sure if it's directed at me or not but I was not defending Tonev. He was also found guilty. I wouldn't personally compare somebody convicted of rape to somebody found guilty to have made a gesture which could be conceived as being racist. In both cases though, it's the laws/punishment that need such attention, not individuals found guilty.

{Ed007's Note - It was just a general observation, Jim, it wasn't aimed at anyone in particular bud, I'm comparing a situation where it is one person's word against another and how people who were so sure of Tonev's innocence be so sure of Evan's guilt, both cases is one person's word against another's.}

I'm with you gunnie, how can one person get done for the rape when she was in the hotel with his friend earlier and himself not get charged?

07 Jan 2015 20:25:29
It's very difficult to put something down on a post digitally and get my point across but I'm with gunnie on this. The crime - rape ( I don't even like typing it!) is a tricky one because like the Tonev case it's usually one persons word against another and some people out there could take advantage of a rich person and play the card afterwards. It might sound crass but it's just the reality of it. I also think as with all crimes there is a spectrum. Like murder for instance - there's 1 title for it but there are different classifications of it. Obviously all are unacceptable but situation dependant there might be more of a chance of a certain classification of murderer to re absorb into the world after a sentence. In short - there's rape and then there's rape. I'm not sure of the exact details of this one but I'm sure that calling him a "dangerous sexual predator" might be an over statement as he didn't drag someone off a cycle path and assault them in a hedge as far as I know. I'm sorry if this offends anyone especially if people know of someone effected by anything similar. As a footnote I vaguely remember a footballer Edmundo was driving at outrageous speeds in a fancy car and killed a family of 4 and was allowed to continue playing for a club even whilst in detention and even got out pretty soon considering what the crime was. Who thinks that there's justice there? incase anyone needs told - I obviously don't Condone rape. It's a topic most folk might have an a opinion on in private but not say anything on here but for me this a private enough place for me to say what I rsally think. Quite like gunnie.

Hi Ed & Gunnie both thought provoking stuff! A stuck up for Tonev because it was more of a "kangaroo court / interpretation / languages " settings leads me to " sticks n stones . but NAMES will never hurt me but to pair it with rape is a different story

{Ed007's Note - The principal is the exact same, one person's word against another, I made the comparison at the time along with asking if you would believe your wife your mate tried to touch her up, it's one person's word against another. People stuck up for Tonev simply because he's a CFC player, it's as simple as that.
I'm surprised there isn't more of the bleeding heart, rent-a-cause members of our support speaking out for Evans, it's usually right up their street.}

Just checked the ched Evans case out on crimeline .r v ched Evans. interesting reading.seems there was a criticism at the appeal of the judges summing up to the jury and directions given about the issue of consent in the context of the consumption of alcohol or drugs.there were two broad complaints,firstly that knowhere in the summing up was it made clear to the jury that even if the complainant was drunk It did not necessarily mean that she didn't consent a drunken consent is still a consent.the second argument was a direction to the jury if they found (contrary to the evidence given by the expert called for the applicant) that the complainant had no memory of events in the bedroom ,that did not mean that she did not consent.the judge addressed this issue in clear terms.he began by directing the jury in the precise words of the relevant statutory provision."a complainant consents if,and only if,she has the freedom and capacity to make a choice,and she exercised that choice to agree to sexual intercourse" . just a wee in site into the case.

Ed am not arguing mate a hear you, Am sure Logan is over it as am sure you like I have been called plenty of choice things ( well a certainly have ) but then to apply it to rape . well that sets my mind off in a different direction mainly based on the battle scars both would leave a hope you see that

Over the festive period I congratulated on being @ least 3 days ahead of the papers with Tonev to Werder Bremen best option all round me thinks now atvb

Regardless of the circumstances Celtic shouldn't be a team interested in a former League 1 footballer who hasn't kicked a ball in around 3 years. Is that how low our transfer expectations have gone??

I don't think anyone here was suggesting we sign him mate.

Not posted in a while thought I would put my 2 bobs worth in here - how many situations have there been where a girl goes home or to a hotel with a footballer leaves and goes home then cries rape I can think of about 5 situations off the top of my head, I'm not saying this guy is innocent or guilty but I think if he has benn to jail and still maintains his innocence and from what I read it was the judge and jury believing 1 persons word against another - let him get on with his life he has served his time!

Well you're right about the two cases being comparable in a word against word sense Ed. What little faith I have left in the CPS though I'd still hope they came to a more thorough verdict than the SPFL or SFA! We're up sh!t creek if they can't! There will always be miscarriages of justice and I didn't have the baws to raise Gunnies point. It did cross my mind that somebody might cry rape for financial gain, there are cases if this, then again maybe it was rape. Unless you were in that room it is all speculation. Personally, if I was a manager or owner of a club, until he is cleared, he's not worth the hassle and I think that's all it boils down to. He does not have to be in the limelit goldfish bowl of the pro football world to get on with living a good life. In fact I would sugget it is best for him that he wasn't just yet.

Good grief - this guy was prosecuted and found guilty (beyond reasonable doubt) of a violent sex crime involving a teenage girl and you guys have decided because he's a footballer its okay?!

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to get a rape case to court never mind a conviction beyond reasonable doubt? It is most definitely not the same as the Tonev kangaroo case.

What is wrong with you lot?

The young girl did not know who he was, never went back to the hotel room with him - he had to let himself into the room. His pals filmed it through a window, this was a teenage girl for goodness sake but nice to see where you guys are a and what you consider a good night out. Cheers

No one is saying it's ok because he's a footballer Mrs E. My personal opinion is he's served his time and and should be able to get on with his life. The whole question of consent is the issue. If she was too drunk to remember how does she know she never gave consent.

{Ed007's Note - And what happens if he wins his appeal? A young lad's life and career ruined all on the say so of some daft drunk lassie. There's a message in there for all you young lads out there going out on the pull.
Have a read at this:


http://tinyurl.com/odhpg9u

Who is Chad Evans?
I know there is a lot of speculation about Ched Evans but surely we cannot crucify poor Chad just because he has a similar name LOL .

Hi Ed here is a different slant on this maybe it is just me but each time they mention his name they say "Sheffield Utd striker" they don't day FORMER am only asking this do you as you will know is he still contracted to Shef Utd? Surely not after a custodial sentence? If it IS the case then HE HAS a club albeit a club are not prepared to play him!, surely they never paid him whilst in Custody ffs? A think they would have been able / entitled to rip up his contract

Any knowledge mate?

{Ed007's Note - Sheffield Utd never sacked Evans, they continued to pay his wages after his conviction then released him at the end of the 2011/12 season when his contract expired and they failed to gain promotion. The club did consider resigning him and they allowed him to train at their training ground after his release.}

Ed thanks for that and your input but while waiting a decided to have a wee dig myself sometimes you direct us to tranefermrkt and on that there is a Cha or a Che Evans contracted to them till 2016! There is nothing against his appearances

I know your objective enough to have a wee gander yourself but the plot thickens don't you think?

{Ed007's Note - That's Che ADAMS.}

Lmfao Ed a told you with yesterday's hall/ball joke a need glasses (y)

{Ed007's Note - (punch)

07 Jan 2015 11:55:22
Wearing the hoops top with honour page posted a list of players in the EPL out of contract in summer. Some decent players could be had there a lot of experienced defenders who we could get to play alongside VVD to help him progress anyone with a FB account take a look

Jeez it's a big list, hard to pick out the quality and also a lot will move on to other English clubs with out considering moving leagues.

What about Isaiah brown? Chelsea now have a fair few young centre hands so he might fancy moving

Isaiah Brown is probably on more money than Scott Brown!

Any of these players that are any good will want a large signing on fee and wages that we can't afford .
Ex- EPL players is neither a quality or value for money option for Celtic .

Just recently posters on here hinted that Steven Gerrard could be an option
Seems despite his declared great love for Celtic the lure of obscene American dollars was too much for him .

Yeah JimTim I have no idea what he is on but that would not surprise me.

The whole list is full of players that are probably on questionable wages

He actually is though. Too much for somebody untested. Niklas Moisander and Carlos Zambrano are two CBs that are free to talk to clubs now I think. They would both walk into our side. Moisander, has been Ajax captain and is an absolute rock. Zambrano, wears his heart on his sleeve, attacks absolutely everything and is one of those players everybody hates but would love on their side. Like Broony, he's a wind up and an ankle biter, but an incredibly passionate fighter. Think i've set my sights a bit high with these two though. Would like us to go back in for Brooks also, not a guaranteed starter but has looked very impressive for a young lad in the Bundesliga when he has.

I don't think we will see free agents from the Epl signing. More likely free agents from lesser funded Leagues .