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06 Oct 2015 20:12:51
Evening Ed, have you any news on Carlton Cole? Heard he had gone back to London but a deal was still possible?
Really think he could give the whole place a lift - been pretty flat and uninspiring recently, know what I mean? All just gotten stale and a bit shit! Lol
{Ed007's Note - He picked up an injury but the club have said they are still interested in signing him.}
06 Oct 2015 18:19:25
BBC Website - Fifpro study shows players suffer more mental issues than public
Aw, the poor wee souls. Stress and anxiety?
FFS they want to try sitting with the supporters watching some of them perform!
07 Oct 2015 18:44:32
anyone who have been unlucky to have had , or to have a relative with mental health issues would think Tiny Tim's post was a bit crass . I would imagine it was more careless than anything else .
06 Oct 2015 17:26:19
They say the truth hurts but what is VVD about? if that statement is true Loyalty is very fickle as far as he is concerned
07 Oct 2015 11:09:29
I was all for wishing VVD well at Southampton and hoping to see him improve and go on to big things. Now though I couldn't care less tbh, I wouldn't even mind seeing him get tore apart again like he did against Manchester United with Martial. I know it would look bad on us and we have a sell on clause but the guy is just a massive banger imo and always has been, his ego is huge and it seems to have rubbed off on his mate Johansen who has been terrible this season. Van Dijks the kind of banger that would cheat on his girlfriend/fiancee/wife with a quorn star, that kind of banger.
So what he beat a very under performing Chelsea and played well against a side completely out of sync and he now thinks he's the bees knees when he only got shown up a couple of weeks ago against Man Utd. Let's see how he handles Arsenals Walcott, Liverpools Sturridge and Benteke under a resurggent Jurgen Klopp and the rest from here on in. The guy is simply full of himself and I have no respect for him now. Look at guys like Wanyama and Forster who have left and remained respectful, that's the way it should be.
All Van Dijk had to say was he enjoyed his time at Celtic very much and only has fond memories there and now this is a new chapter in his career. Instead what he's said is a bit of a smack in the face to Celtic and the players and coaches he's worked with the last couple of years, good riddance I say. Makes me think what other full of themselves tubes we still have in our dressing room, Johansen possibly it seems currently but no coincidence he was best buds with Virgil.
07 Oct 2015 14:38:58
Bit disrespectful but i'm sure big vic said similar although not as cutting. Far as i'm concerned he can say what he likes. He wanted the move for a while because it was a dead end up here for him. You would be mad to say there isn't a huge step up in quality. He strolled through games up here and was able to run into midfield whenever he felt like a kick about! We will see how he goes through the season he may improve further and be one of the better rated cbs in epl this season and get a decent run of games for Holland. The more successful our exiting player are the easier it will be to attract better young tallent. Who else have we had on the books in recent years that are getting game time for any of the top 20 national sides? Denayer and the tampon (who couldn't play due to injury :) )
08 Oct 2015 12:46:53
Any idea on any sell on clause for VVD?
06 Oct 2015 08:03:42
Ronnie is 20/1 to get the Sunderland job? Timalloy you are king of the bets, what's your take on it? Who would like to see RD go to Sunderland!
06 Oct 2015 10:38:47
Personally I don't want to see him go and thabkfully can't see him going to Sunderland or the EPL for that matter until he gets us into the CL consistently. And I believe with the right backing that will happen. My bet would be Allardyce for that job. I think teams desperate to stay up would fancy him.
06 Oct 2015 11:50:00
@JohnnyMac Delia is 20/1 for a reason, I would go with JIMTIM in Allerdyce who's record of keeping teams up will go in his favour, but as a big outsider what about "Swally McCoist" an ex Sunderland player and with winter approaching no garden work coming in lol
06 Oct 2015 13:22:23
Oh please be true about Sally that would be so funny
06 Oct 2015 17:15:24
Can I ask why you don't want him to go , he has taken us backwards in Europe , made us more inconsistent domestically, our youth players have regressed ( Henderson and McGregor for example) , his team plays a very bland type of football and he seem unable to learn from his mistake's. The ed talks about poor managers in the epl and he is right but I'm starting to think even the most overrated of them all van gall could be better than Ronnie.
06 Oct 2015 17:18:03
Sunderland will sign a failed EPL manager and will expect a miracle .
06 Oct 2015 17:51:18
Fab,
1) We were on our backwards in Europe before RD took over. Under him we've actually improved on that front. Is the stepping sideways and backwards over a long period really down to RD?
2) We're actually an improvement domestically so far under RD, if you refuse to look at the black and white fair enough. And Aberdeen are improving. Again that's a fact not an opinion.
3) Henderson and McGregor only aren't in the side because two other young players in Bitton amd Rogic are playing well. What about those two as well as a few other players who look to have improved? RD's record with youths, although short, outweighs a lot of BPL managers.
4) Not sure it's bland at all. Sure there's a way to go. But RD will know that his jigsaw is far from complete. Then again he has one hand tied whilst putting it together in not being able to target all his players or even assistants. Stuff like that. Stuff like that which won't go away with a new head coach.
Just would like to see him given a fair crack of the whip. Said the same about our last manager who will one day tell us all why he left.
06 Oct 2015 18:49:44
Jim Tim you state we were backwards in Europe before he took over? Are you smoking something? Explain that comment please. Rd has failed at 3 attempts to qualify for CL. I think you will find we had actually qualified for the previous 2 years so let's deal with facts not how you need it to be to defend an unqualified, underachieving manager.
06 Oct 2015 18:52:45
@JImTim how can Europa leaue,then Champs League,then Champs League be going backwards. (With a last 16 thrown in)
With the new manager we now back in the Europa league.
Your point doesn't make sense mate.
06 Oct 2015 18:57:08
Jim T just another point. You claim that poor Ronnie can not recruit his own Assistants and stuff like that. First of all how do you know that to be the case. You are using that statement to try and support him but you don't know if that is true? Second point if that is true then Ronnie has lost all respect from any supporter. What you are saying is that he is not allowed to recruit his own back room team or his players. If that is the case then he is a very week person who will never succeed. Do we want a week yes man managing our club? Think not.
06 Oct 2015 19:15:40
Jim Tim, I can't see how domestically we are better off now than when Ronny took over.
The season before Ronny took over, we won the league by 29 points, scored a hundred odd goals, got 99 points, and only lost 1 match. I can't see anything he's done in his time here that looks as if he is getting close to those statistics.
I would think the reason he's never spoken of for jobs in England is that when they are looking at managers, they go for managers that have improved the clubs they are at. It's pretty evident that for whatever reason, he hasn't improved us, they will have noted that when he took over we were a Champions league team, now we are a Europa league team, I can't see the progress there.
I find it hard to have a lot of confidence in a manager, who, when he took the job, couldn't even argue for his own coaching staff, he can hardly complain about getting a fair crack of the whip, when, he took the job under these circumstances.
06 Oct 2015 20:58:20
Jimtim was going to bring up all of the points raised above but these gents have put it quite succinctly, I will also add I get totally embarrassed at his carry on at the end of games , especially after piss poor performances like the one on Sunday , he should have been dragging those players into the dressing room and starting an inquest immediately, could you imagine big jock or tommy burns or martin or even Neal Lennon attention seeking like that after scrapping an unconvincing win over Hamilton.
06 Oct 2015 22:56:37
There is a cartel of losing managers in the EPL , who never seem to be long out of a job Big John ex West Ham and many other places Steve Mc Laren to mention two.
We are lucky we have a young exciting manager with new ideas who will bring us to new heights given time . A wee bit of support might help him and his players .
06 Oct 2015 23:18:51
JimTim , you're comment about Ronny's improved Euro record is one of the most ridiculous things I've read .Lennon got absolute pelters on here for an abysmal CL group stage in his last season and you're praising a guy who has failed to get us there 3 times. As for his after match antics can he just not clap the support and go up the tunnel like a normal professional manager. Imagine it was Warburton doing this after his team had just narrowly beaten Dumbarton! We would p*** ourselves laughing.Thats the equivalent of what our managers doing after beating Hamilton. Leave the fist pumps for when we pick up silverware.
06 Oct 2015 23:32:18
A wee bit of support old bhoy? I've never seen such an under achieving Celtic manager getting as much support.
07 Oct 2015 07:37:26
I will have to reply to you all individually bhoys I didn't think stating facts or giving the coach a bit of time would get such a reaction.
JOHNNYMAC, I'll explain why I think we were going backwards in Europe anyway really simply. So you read it carefully: 2012/13 - CL last 16. 2013/14 - Group stage. And a poor one at that. Simple no? And no, I didn't blame NL for that either, but also the way the club operates.
RAYMAN, see above. We were starting to go backwards, statistically.
GERRYC, you actually make sense. We did finish on 99 points NL's last season, and 92 in RD's first. Even I can admit that isn't progression. But you know what, I'm willing to give a NEW coach the benefit of the doubt over 7 points. Hang me! We're already picking up more points after European games this season than we were last season. I fully expect us to break 92 points, maybe even 99!? How many points we finished above Aberdeen though has no purpose, Aberdeen are getting better over several seasons. You're almost criticising him for not picking, or demanding to pick his own staff. I think that's why some people turned us down. If everybody was so resolute we wouldn't have a coach. This was a big gig for RD and he was happy to take it on.
TO ALL OF YOU,
In football you get transitions, especially with CFC and the way we operate. I think in RDs time here we are getting better. He believes in Science, not many leople do these days. I like the way we approach teams in Europe now. Far better in that sense. We just need to have a bit more individual quality and I think we'll be just fine. We play in the leage to prepare for Europe. Just accept that. Teams in the league don't approach us the way teams in Europe do. Just try and understand that. I can't say anymore than that.
07 Oct 2015 10:54:17
Jimtim I was all for changing manager when Lennon left and was all for rd when he came in but I have not seen one bit of progress. I have been a Celtic fan man and bhoy but if they offered me the job and I could not bring in my own coaches and players then I would be brave enough to say no thanks. You say we would have ended up with no manager then or alternatively peter would have had to change his approach
07 Oct 2015 11:26:59
Jim your last sentence about teams in our league don't approach us in the same way as euro teams is correct. That's why most of us feel our domestic system is flawed and doesn't improve us when we play euro teams . Ronny will always be battling to win over fans with one up against Hamilton etc unless he compromises his preferred formation to play two up top domestically. Over the last decade we've largely played two strikers domestically and one striker in Europe and it's not been too bad results wise so why change something that's not making us better?
07 Oct 2015 16:13:32
Jim Tim, a coach can have all the science he wants but he needs to build character in the team. I am not talking about the character of individuals but the character of the team. For me that means when the big games come along, games that we need to win, games that make a difference we have been found lacking in character to grind out those results. We don't turn up. Malmo was the perfect example of what I mean. Same last season in our attempts (2) to qualify for the CL. I could go with the new manager pitch last year but we are a year on and in this years CL qualifier we didn't turn up we had no character. Aberdeen game. Never showed up again. Please don't quote Hamilton Accies as a big must win game. We should be killing teams like that off. RD so far just does not win any of the big games. That is what he needs to do. So we can all have opinions about how good he is but it comes down to wining the important ones and that has not happened for him so far. It may change but time will tell.
Let's see what happens in the Europa this season but if we fail to get out of the group then I just can't see how anyone can continue to defend him.
07 Oct 2015 21:21:34
Stevie , item do you Celtic won the SPL and the League Cup last season as well as competing in Europe after Christmas . I can recall many managers who achieved less in their first season
07 Oct 2015 23:11:48
Johnnymac that's all fair. As much as I'll defend him until i'm blue in the face it is a results driven business. I want us to be in the CL as much as anybody. RD, for me, needs to be given more than a year and a bit to make his stamp, and get us to the promised land. Our previous manager was given longer and for me it's only fair RD gets until at least the next qualifiers. The Europa League will be a good measuring device too this season. Based on what I've seen so far, we'll at least get to the same stage as last season. There's a qualitative element to all this too though. I think the way we're approaching European competition looks more offensive and threatening. We're trying to control games now and really look as if we want to strike first rather than hold on for a counter or set piece. Just missing a few, but key, and simple, yet achievable elements to our team and game. Keep the faith.
08 Oct 2015 11:01:06
Yeah old bhoy,but on the domestic front previous managers were involved in a two horse race not a one horse canter.
{Ed007's Note - NL only won one league and one cup out of 8 domestic trophies while Rangers were still in the league, after that he had an easy ride and yet still only managed another 2 league titles and one solitary cup win out of a possible 4 tournaments. RD has won 2 out of 3 already and will add to that this season with at least a double I reckon.
Or is it not NL we've to compare him with?}
08 Oct 2015 13:12:06
We can only compare him to NL and his cup record was abysmal whether in a one horse or two horse race, so old bhoys comment about recalling many previous managers with worse records can't be compared