Celtic Banter Archive November 06 2015

 

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06 Nov 2015 16:43:07
Well I said before game that 9/2 Molde looked a good bet, especially with "Dismal Delia's" defensive cock ups. One of my ex bear pal risked £200 ( he said "risk" was neglible") to win £900 his Christmas is all paid for thanks to "Rotten Ronnie"
I hate Delia for what he he has done to my club, he has made us a laughing stock in europe.
Yes I know Lawwel and Desmond have starved us of funds, but even an amateur manager could set the team up better than Delia. How many more excuses are going to have to listen from this clown in europe, our defence is a shambles a defence he supposedely coaches every day.
Ronnie GTF NOW.

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06 Nov 2015 17:04:05
Tell the truth, it was you that bet the £200.

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06 Nov 2015 17:06:09
He says he just needs a bit more time to get it right.

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06 Nov 2015 17:08:38
Bit harsh Tim and a bit surprised at you mate

In terms of signings he has been delivered some dross or no experience he can only shape what he was given

Having said that his remit / agenda was fitness and has never achieved even that!

PL took a punt IMO with RD an experiment even a gamble (no pun) and it is backfiring now big time!

He must shoulder some of this, his silence speaks volumes IMO and is MEEK

As a said to Ed earlier I cannot see RD now retrieving it now it's too far gone and players are not fighting for RD now for sure.

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06 Nov 2015 17:22:53
Any Celtic supporter betting against the team is lower than a snakes belly as far as I am concerned! Just saying like..

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06 Nov 2015 17:42:45
Our results in Europe are very bad, after 24 European games Deila's record is similar to Lennon's which I agree is not good enough . However getting rid of him is probably not a good idea as we are very unlikely to get an experienced and successful European manager and given time Deila may well improve .
I think what surprises me for some reason we have a very small squad of players, the team nearly picked itself yesterday and apart fro Forrest, who has had good outings this season, but not last night we really had no game changing subs .

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06 Nov 2015 17:50:39
Sacktheboard typical snide remark from you, no surprise there, but if you had read my original post I said I was avoiding betting on game altogether.

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06 Nov 2015 19:13:41
Tim I never once mentioned you and to be clear my post was aimed at any Celtic fan betting against our team. I can not stress enough how out of order it would be for a true supporter to do that.. It's my opinion that a TRUE supporter would never do such a thing. End of!

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06 Nov 2015 19:51:21
SacktheBoard - Betting against your team.
1. If you are a betting person and you see an opportunity, you take it.
2. It also reflects on how some supporters feel about the current package being put on the park.
3. It is not disloyal it is merely a case of cashing in on something over which you have absolutely no control. Disloyalty is doing something which could harm the team you support. Celtic were not affected by any supporters betting against them and in most cases, anyone who did place that kind of bet would probably have been happy to lose it if it meant the team progressing.
4. Anyone winning their bet at least got something positive from the game as the supporters did not.

By the way, I am not a betting man and I have no idea how to place any kind of bet except for Grand National and even then I might as well just open the bookies door and chuck the money in.

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06 Nov 2015 20:40:04
Utter rubbish Tiny, I think most people would agree that your post reflects more on your moral compass than it does that of a TRUE Celtic fan. We can debate all day but the thought of a so called Celtic supporter betting on their team to loose is shocking no matter how the team are performing. I'm all for changing the managers, sacking the board but not betting against your team. At the age of 39 I'm still like the young boy waiting to see the Celtic run out the tunnel that will never change. Neither will my stance on betting against the Celts. Hail Hail

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06 Nov 2015 21:36:48
All is not lost, people. Keep the faith! . RD's crafty - he's the man - European football after the new year. This is a good idea. our young players need to develop. Both the Board and Management need to do their bs tae! .

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06 Nov 2015 22:53:03
SacktheBoard,
I have followed Celtic through thick and thin since 1959 and my father and relations as well. My loyalty to the club cannot be questioned and as for my morals, if you knew me you would not question those either. But you don't know me, and you are entitled to your opinion as is anyone else and I will always respect that.
I do not criticise anyone betting against the club as it is their right to do so. If it buys a few extra Christmas pressies or pays off a leccie bill- even better.
The current product being put on the park upsets me but as much as I have thought about not going to see it, I always end up convincing myself that it will come good. (eventually) . Celtic have given me some great times and broke my heart as well but I go back for more.
I personally would not bet against Celtic (if I knew how) but I am ok with anyone who does. End of the day, its a game of football and the sun will rise the next morning regardless of the result.
Anyway, time to move on and get back to winning the league and have another go. Hail Hail.

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06 Nov 2015 23:15:45
@Timalloy aye and i suppose the likes of Owen Coyle will do better? Cause that's the standard of manager we are going to end up with if Deila goes. If Lennon was still in charge it would be a different story from you.

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07 Nov 2015 00:35:19
Exactly Dn30 . You have hit the nail on the head , we are lucky we have a young modern manager who hopefully given time will get us results in Europe to match domestic results .
If we get rid of Deila it's more than likely that we get the same old, same old four four two managers with no European or else no SPL experience .
Will we likely to be any better off? I doubt it .

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07 Nov 2015 01:00:01
Yeah that's the thing, what do you do?, if you know your teams playing rubbish, and your manager does'nt seem to be able to change it or motivate the players, yeah what do you do?, go to the game and watch them losing two - one, boo them?, leave early?, come on here and critiscise Ronny or the board?, or stick a bet on Molde at 9-2,because you have a gut feeling that it might be a winning bet?, I seen the bet, I thought about it, but I came to the conclusion, there is no way that Celtic can be that bad again, I put a bet on Celtic to win 3-1,I congratulate anyone that had more sense than me because Celtic were that bad again.

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07 Nov 2015 01:08:31
Old Bhoy show me some evidence that RD will deliver in Europe. You just making statements that he will come good holds no value. When we went out of CL in 2014 he said judge me in a years time. So here we are. There are no signs of progress the club are losing millions through no CL football and you say give him more time? Why.

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{Ed007's Note - Do you think we'd have done better in Europe this year with a defence of Lustig - Denayer -VVD - Izaguirre/Tierney?}

07 Nov 2015 03:31:59
Well call me what you like but I had £10 double on Molde win and get first goal. Nice wee earner and as mentioned previously, the cash helps soften the blow from the defeat on Thursday.

With regards to Deila, I actually like him and would like him to be given more time. Just wanted to make a few points about him though.

1. He has got the players a lot fitter despite what Petrov says. What we need to remember is he has the players playing a much higher intensity game and they do a lot of running, even the defenders. In addition we played a lot of games in a short period of time. That being said I think Deila needs to realise that it is not always possible to play at that intensity and especially not for 90 minutes and in Europe. Doing so gets you punished as we can't keep possession like Barcelona and often get punished when our attack breaks down due to a bad pass and we get caught out of position.

2. Deila does need to learn to adapt more than he does at present. I can't understand why he thinks it makes sense to have both your full backs bombing forward at the same time and leaving your centre backs exposed. Sure we get away with it most times in the SPL but far too often we get punished in Europe.

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07 Nov 2015 09:17:12
I've looked at few posts on here and it just tells me how far our standards have fell as a club! Fans betting against us! It softens the blow of a defeat! Dear oh dear! And this Ronnie has got us fitter as a team for me is one load of garbage! And it's not just Stan that's said this! How many times have we fell away in games this season? I remember teams in the Lennon strachan and MON era popping up with vital goals in dying minutes of games! Pushing teams back in the last ten min of games! And I'm talking quality teams here! Molde the other nite were fitter stronger and hungrier in every department! And the same goes for when we played in Norway! And old bhoy we're lucky to have young modern manager who hasn't won a EL game in the last 8 or 9 attempts! And given time! He's had 3 chances at the CL! He's played 12 games in the EL and Won 2! And we struggled winning them home to Zagreb and Astra! LUCKY! Away and gies peace! Utter pish once again! Will yous have the same opinion of us being lucky to have him when we finish bottom of the group with no wins! Wake up and see what's in front u! The guys way out his depth! But it's ok because we'll Nick a win in Dingwall on Sunday and everything will be ok again won't it!

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07 Nov 2015 09:52:57
Honestly guys some of you are a disgrace for betting against Celtic. It's acceptable to do so as you win a few quid??? I would rather work 7 days a week than make such a bet.

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07 Nov 2015 12:12:59
I'm just wondering what I am going to do with my winnings.

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07 Nov 2015 12:58:22
What's disgraceful about it Sack The Board? If you think Celtic will lose a game then why not put money on it? It doesn't mean you want them to lose.

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07 Nov 2015 13:26:32
Whatever helps soften the blow rab Mac! Honest to god I've heard it all! Totally agree with sack the board! No real Celtic fan should bet against the team! Would rather be skint than win money off us getting beat! Find it really strange u would sit there and watch the game knowing Uve bet against us!

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06 Nov 2015 15:57:46
I totally agree with nearly all of what has been said so far. We are all very and angry and frustrated but as someone who travelled down from Inverness for the game I have got to say this. This game could have been so much different, the 2 narrow offside goals, the 2 world class saves from headers from Lustig and Bitton and not forgetting the really bad tackle on the only proper Centre half we have. We need some proper experienced signings in Jan, especially in defence. Even Chuck Mulgrew would have been a lot better than Blackett. Well done young KT, you did yourself proud young man. Hail Hail.

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06 Nov 2015 17:49:47
Tam Tim Tac1 A long journey to watch Celtic play for 1 hour . The first half looked brilliant, I thought we would get at least a couple of goals after the interval but we seeme to tighten up and lose heart . We just collapsed . I think them and Malmo swarmed round our centre midfield out numbered them and pressurised them into submission . Just what Deila wants Celtic to do to the teams we play
Maybe when we are not playing Northern European teams we might get some room.

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06 Nov 2015 15:45:40
Looking at the so called bigger picture is even more horrifying in my opinion.
We cannot attract a top manager as we are no longer seen as a top club in Europe and the board will not pay or finance one.
The club will continue in this short sighted approach until domestic honours only are seen as the prime objective and we will be like a Welsh or League of Ireland team as far as European football ambitions lie. - no disrespect to those two football nations.
Signing targets will continue to be lower division or journeyman standard with more dodgy loanees making up the numbers.
Any half decent talent the youth system produces will be disheartened and let down by the club they love and shunted for profit.
The supporters will grumble and groan but Lawell and Desmond will fiddle like Nero.

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07 Nov 2015 11:00:04
The route we have been taking the past couple of seasons is how it is going to stay under the current board. On a positive note, I don't see us getting any worse. My main concern is that I don't see us getting any better either.

Also, I might be repeating myself but I really hate it when people post about the players being tired and drained after having two or three hard games in a week. FFS, its their job of work and they don't have to do anything else but train and play (and not an 8 hour or 12 hour shift at that) for 90+ minutes! Not only that, there are usually 11 men on the park so its not down to one individual busting a gut for those 90+ minutes. Tennis players spring to mind.
Molde are not a high spending big money club like Real, Man City etc. We were beaten by a better team, again!

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06 Nov 2015 15:35:07
In my opinion last night was the final straw for Ronny, just not good enough! I personal was happy to see a young exciting manger given the chance at Celtic but I have to admit I was wrong Celtic don't need young inexperienced mangers we need a manager who knows how to win in Europe a manager that has managed at the highest level someone that the players look up to want to play for week in week out cause they respect him and what he has done in the game! I would go for Marcelo Bielsa he is 60 years old and has been about as a manager managing at international level as well as domestic, he is not afraid to mix things up and he would not act as a lap dog for Lawell, he plays great football as well I remember watching Athletic Bilboa against Man United a few years back when he was manager of Bilboa I have never seen a team dominate a game so much at old Trafford they were relentless. He is a free agent to after leaving Marseille come on Celtic let's show some ambition.

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{Ed007's Note - I'm a huge fan of Marcelo Biesla but right away the first major problem is that he doesn't speak a word of English, I'd also imagine that he'd probably laugh in Peter Lawwell's face if he offered him the job and that would be before they got to discussing wages.
Sorry, Gaz, but this is a perfect example of CFC supporters getting ideas above their station, coaches or managers the calibre of Bielsa would have no interest at all in coming in and working at a club ran like ours, a club where the CEO is the highest paid employee and we have people like John Park making footballing decisions.
As long as Rocky and Bullwinkle are running the show our level of ambition will remain where it is as long as the balance sheets look OK, which a lot of supporters have shown more concern for over the last few seasons than what's going on on the park, those same people who used to bang on about how Lawwell was doing such a great job and we don't want to end up like Rangers blah blah have all suddenly went quiet.}

06 Nov 2015 17:56:27
I think there is a small line between having a manager that the board is confident enough to give a worthwhile transfer budget and having a manager who would waste any money the board will give him . We are not going to get an experience successful European manager, so it's going to be difficult to see improvement . We have plenty of fairly good young players, can we keep faith in them to mature into far better players and stay with us .

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07 Nov 2015 14:41:38
Ed, I am one of those who are glad we have not ended up the same a Rangers but I also am not that naive not to understand that we do have to speculate a bit to improve and that is just not happening.
I think the silence is based on the fact that there is not much more to be said on the subject.
As I said earlier, we will not get any worse but we will not get any better either and that is down to the board and chairman.
Ronnie? I did not think was big enough for the task and hope that long term I am wrong. Do we ditch him, I don't think that is the solution but he does need some expert advice which his current backroom staff are unable to give him. He looks like a wee bhoy lost when things are going badly and JC offers nothing to bounce off of.
Cards on table - I would personally give him another go but let him pick an assistant HE wants beside him.

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{Ed007's Note - I'd bring in a Director of Football to replace John Park, we need to get the focus back onto the football and away from the financial side altogether.}

06 Nov 2015 12:40:07
The shambles, affects the other parts of the team by being preposterously, preposterous. Sooks the confidence right out of them.

RD not being able to see that told me a long time ago disaster was inevitable.

We need three good defenders in January whilst shipping out the shite. Keep Tierney, lustig and Simo. The rest can jump a taxi.

Abysmal.

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06 Nov 2015 14:32:09
I've no doubt that after a couple of wins in the SPL, we'll have people coming on here saying what a great coach Ronny is and how lucky we are to have him.
This is the whole problem with Ronny, as has been said before, probably every other manager in the SPL would win the league with the squad we have here, you'd have to be really inept not to.
The only way I think you can judge him, is in Europe, it's the one place where his management skills are put to the test. From what I see he has failed miserably.
Every team loses matches, but what's really depressing about Celtic in Europe the last couple of years, is the total lack of spirit in the team, the same mistakes tactically are made match after match, and the inability to beat very mediocre teams such as Maribor, Malmo, and Molde. I know the squad has been weakened recently, but even with the squad we have we should still be beating this type of opposition.
I wish Peter Lawwell would front up and explain to the fans what has Ronny got that we are not seeing, and what has he done in his career at European level to give us any hope that there are better times ahead.
I have absolutely nothing personal against Ronny, I'm sure he's a really nice man, but from what I'm watching, he's turning us into a laughing stock, I just refuse to believe that Celtic couldn't do better than this.

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06 Nov 2015 18:02:02
Gerry I don't disagree with you, however after 24 European games Deila's record is very similar to Lennon's . In fact Deila has lost the same number of games as MO'N '"8" games .
Nobody could argue that Deila's record in Europe is good enough but panicking and getting rid of him may not be the answer .

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06 Nov 2015 19:30:17
Old Bhoy

You are comparing apples with pears by comparing the European record. MON lost to Bayern Munich, Lyon, Juventus etc. not complete dross like Malmo, Legia Warsaw and Molde.

The whole club needs a change and more that Deila should walk away now hanging their head in shame.

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06 Nov 2015 19:42:05
Old Bhoy, I couldn't care less what his record is compared to any other manager, I am judging him purely on what I am watching.
If previous Celtic managers weren't very good, it doesn't make it okay for this one to be not very good.
I just want my team to try and improve a little, and watch players week in week out who are proud to wear the jersey. I don't think it's asking too much.

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06 Nov 2015 21:53:10
Niallh maybe you forgot MO'N inherited some super stars lke Petrov Lambert Jackie Mac and Larsson . He bought in multi million pound players like Valgerian Lennon Sutton Thompson and Hartson .
Surely you wouldn't expect a manager with these players available to lose 9 of the first 24 European matches . I did Deila an injustice he has only lost 8 . The cheapest of MO'N players cost more than all Deilia's players put together except Suminic .

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07 Nov 2015 01:19:06
Old Bhoy it does not matter what result MON or anyone else achieved. RD can't cut it. There is no excuse for losing to Malmo, Molde, Warsaw. This is not just a one off it is time after time. Go ahead and defend him. If you are happy to see the club dink into oblivion then carry on. Glad to see you doing your bit for Celtic.

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06 Nov 2015 10:39:43
Totally effing clueless, why did he think we could surprise them by playing the same way we did in Norway?

We have an abundance of midfielders but not one defensive midfielder to protect the numpties at the back, send Blackett back in January, don't start me on Mr Undroppable Johansen or Mr waste of a Jersey forest.

Whats the deal with changing from zonal marking to man to man marking half way through a game? Also I get the look after players bit and its great we stood by John Kennedy but how can he be our defensive coach, did he actually play a full season at the top level, he needs to be the assistant to a defensive coach to learn from.

RD has to go but my fear is they bin him (which they won't as he is Lawwells man) but if they do then they will do something crazy like give Collins the caretaker post and then permanent at end of season, same way they done with Lennon.

Tierney man of the match for the third game in a row and the only celtic player who stayed on and applauded the fans in every stand!

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06 Nov 2015 12:30:07
A good coach (not even a great one) plays the system to suit the players at his disposal - Ronnie plays his system with players who are unable to play this way.
He wants to play from the back but we have NO centre backs at the club (on loan or our players) that can actually pass the ball which for a professional football player is pretty worrying - what do they do at Lennoxtown all day?
I have been a supporter of Ronnie but it is becoming harder and harder to support him when we (the fans) can all see the same problems happening time after time especially in Europe.
Our 2 full backs bomb on, our central defenders then pass to the opposition who break forward at pace and we are all at sixes and sevens!

Thought young Tierney was outstanding last night, showed REAL passion, desire for the team and for me is the ONLY player who can hold their head high this morning.

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06 Nov 2015 18:18:43
Marguez. Whether Kennedy has played twelve matches or twelve seasons has little baring on his ability or lack of ability to be defensive coach . Managers and coaches all over the world have been recognised by their peers as been top men at their job and many have never played the game at a top level.

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06 Nov 2015 19:29:25
Fair point Old Bhoy, but experince at top level helps. your own argument backs mine up, our defensive displays shows that JK and the other coaches at present certainly aren't top men in that job. My point was we need an experienced defensive coach to help him and learn from.

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07 Nov 2015 01:20:47
Old Bhoy do you ever sit back and wonder why so many people have a completely different opinion to yours?

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06 Nov 2015 08:47:55
RD will once again fail to address the basic errors in his team tactics and selection. He is in a unique position in that we can get embarrassed against low level European teams we should be beating but he is then saved by the fact were top of the table. For a team like Celtic his benchmark has to be our performance in Europe - and they have been awful, compounded by his squad selection and little or no evidence of being able to coach a squad. So much for attacking style football we were all promised, he's had budget, brought I players and makes the team selection, time RD realised he's the problem and not the solution!

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06 Nov 2015 10:06:31
I really expected us to kick on this season, we had got better as the season went on, well at least I thought that, on reflection though - after the debacle of the qualifiers last year we were then very poor in an easy Europa group, scraped through and went out playing pretty well against Inter. We then won the league etc etc. looking back, - it was a poor Inter team that went out after they beat us, they had already lost against teams like Lech Poznan, so beating them probably wasn't much of a gauge at all. This season in Europe has been a complete brass neck. Unfortunately for Ronny, who I was desperately hoping would succeed, winning domestically isn't good enough, - John Hughes or whoever would win the league with the squad we have, even although most of them are rotten. Scottish football is an embarrassment - the only reason we are praising Aberdeen is because they have been a lot better than they have been in years, and they are beating most other teams because they are even worse, so it looks like the league is a little better/tighter. Something radical has to happen at Celtic, we can't sack all the players unfortunately, so we need to do something - if Ronny has to stay we need a proper Director Of Football, or an older head to be on the training pitch beside him! Marcelo Bielsa has just left Marsielle, I haven't checked if he's doing something else, someone with that sort of experience though, real pedigree would be perfect. Even an advisory role, something has to change, from today!

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06 Nov 2015 10:44:54
I expected much better this season as we finished last term strongly and we were dominant all over the pitch.
The loss of Denayer and VVD has decimated a solid defence, but another worry is the inconsistency and lack of form from guys like Izzaguire, Johansen, Gordon, Lustig, Commons and Brown; plus the ineffectiveness of Boyata, Forrest, GMS and Ciftci on a regular basis.
The manager has lost momentum and confidence and clearly is out of his depth in Europe and has also failed miserably in the transfer market.

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