Celtic Banter Archive February 06 2016

 

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06 Feb 2016 21:20:27
Who would everyone play tomorrow knowing we should be hammering this part time team I would go strong enough to build some confidence
Bailey
Blackett boyata sviachenko izzy
Forestt Allan Christie Roberts
Ckr Griffiths.

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06 Feb 2016 21:56:43
Sviatchenko is out for 6 weeks, and I don't think he'd play blackett at right back. I don't know also if a win against an amateur team will build any confidence.

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06 Feb 2016 22:02:22
Isn't Blackett back at Manchester United? Anyway if all fit I would go with Bailey : Janko : Erik : O, Connell : Tierney : Commons : Allan : Christie : Roberts : Richards : Griffiths as I say if all fit .

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06 Feb 2016 22:15:33
No its simunovic that's out for 6 weeks. blackett is still here is janko no still out injured commons is struggling with a virus and strain forgot about oconnell would like him to start if fit.

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07 Feb 2016 08:44:12
Oconnell is out on loan.

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07 Feb 2016 09:34:31
Griffiths

Johansen
Christie
Roberts

Brown
Bitton

Janko
Boyata
Sviatchenko
Tierney

Bailly

Dunno if that team us fit and normally I'd not want something experimental but we'll win today no doubt.

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07 Feb 2016 09:37:31
I'd play a striker too actualky. Not THAT confident :D.

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06 Feb 2016 20:10:09
Got the draw today @ 19/ 5 and an ordering off at 5/ 2.
Do not usually bet on Celtic games but feel confident enough to put on these bets.
Celtic -3 about Evens
A penalty 5/ 2
ordering off 7/ 2 (reasons for these bets is they are a part time team and should tire as game goes on and maybe put in a reckless tackle or two)

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07 Feb 2016 08:45:13
Timalloy if ambrose plays ek will get a penalty.

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06 Feb 2016 19:27:42
Keeping putting posts on and they don't get put up! Is there a reason for this ED?

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{Ed007's Note - The last post we've received from you was on 31 Jan 2016 at 20:42:59.}

06 Feb 2016 20:57:41
Strange one mate, I've sent a few in the past week. was just wondering why they hadn't been put up. must be this bloody fone of mine! Lol. cheers for letting me know bud.

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{Ed007's Note - Sorry bud, it's nothing our end.}

06 Feb 2016 22:32:48
Had the same problem ed. Maybe it's the demon drink on ma end. How ye kerpin ed av read a few posts givin u tips for the diabetes, just wondering if u took any of the advice n if it's working?

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{Ed007's Note - The last post from you was yesterday, was it late last night or this afternoon we had a problem with the servers for a while then, sorry about that lads.
I bought a book that someone recommended to me on here and my Mrs has been reading it for the last week or so and it's helped both of us understand things a bit better, the last 5/6 days have been the best I've felt in a while.}

06 Feb 2016 23:14:42
Well thank eff for the Eds half of my posts aren't posted.

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{Ed007's Note - Your ar$e!}

07 Feb 2016 00:51:17
Love u all.

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{Ed007's Note - (tmi)

07 Feb 2016 01:04:55
Good to hear u have had a few good days in a row . Hope things build on that and the good days become the normal.

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{Ed007's Note - Thanks mate.}

06 Feb 2016 18:16:13
We are in serious trouble now Aberdeen are the team with momentum we are the team going backwards. I know which side i would prefer to be.
Aberdeen have a settled defence consistant selection and a confidence in their play. I am sorry but this league is not the forgone conclusion it should be.
Love him or hate him Chris Sutton is telling the truth Ronnie Delia needs to be replaced now an exprienced manager with solid ideas and disipline in defence just to ground out results until the summer when he can rebuild.

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06 Feb 2016 18:47:54
"Rebuild" though? Is Jermaine Beckford out of contract or something? We aren't rebuilding no matter who the head coach is.

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06 Feb 2016 18:58:35
Think we all want the same, the best for our club we are not playing well we've all got opinions about tactics formations etc. I'm as angry as the next boy or ghirl but think it's time we stuck together get through this be faithful as our song says don't let the press divide us, times are hard players aren't playing well but let's stick together win this league and cup then, take it from there our club needs us not individuals this is our club let's show what support is were still top of the league, this is crunch time for us all players management and us hail hail.

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06 Feb 2016 19:29:24
Aberdeen do have a settled 11 but still think we can put a run together.

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06 Feb 2016 19:42:33
Whether we do or do not get rid of RD no decent Manager will take the job now sadly . We might be able to get David Moyes in to the end of the season? but I am sure he would not touch that job on a permanent contract Unless PL and DD change there ways as to how and where they see the direction of the club is going I am no business man by any means but I can't understand how we are getting in to this position I can understand we have to live within our means but I can't understand this now they must see the amount of people at the games now they must see the discontent in the supporters for more than a year but they seam to just burry there heads I am not blaming RD in this I think its higher than him for the position we are in now.

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06 Feb 2016 20:43:10
I love Chris Sutton! Amazing servant to club without a doubt but to think it's squeaky bum time the now is just silly. Our gd is a point in itself, keep the faith. Sorry but how many times has that been had to be said over the years. Aberdeen are no going to overhaul us, the test for RD is whether or not he can build a team to take us forward in Europe.

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06 Feb 2016 22:04:43
Is our good as good as a point if aberdeen are a point in front.

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07 Feb 2016 01:14:34
This time last year people were fretting about Aberdeen as we were only 3 points ahead with a game in hand . At the end of the season we finished 17 points clear .
It won't be easy, but I have no doubt Deila will lead us to the title again .
I don't know why Sutton was any better a servant to Celtic than many of his team mates at that time . MO'N rescued his career by taking him from Chelsea where he was floundering big time . Yes he played well for us in a good team, but moaned and groaned because WGS wanted the squad to double train morning& afternoon and he had regular visits to bookies and hence he demanded to leave .
He has been very much down on RD since RD took over, more so than any other Celtic players of his era.

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07 Feb 2016 10:27:58
This is not the same Aberdeen team as of last season, Settled, experinced, better squad and a manager who learns from his mistakes. In fact everything we hope RD would achieve.

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Chelsea Defender Wanted By Bundesliga Club, Man City To Head To China, Maybe With Neymar According To Ronaldinho Plus More

06 Feb 2016 18:29:26
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Chelsea Defender Wanted By Bundesliga Club, Man City To Head To China, Maybe With Neymar According To Ronaldinho Plus More

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06 Feb 2016 14:52:15
A little foresight, 22million (not a ridiculous amount for a club Celtic's size and CL group stages wouldn't seem so unlikely every season.

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06 Feb 2016 18:20:28
easier said than done even if we matched the transfer fee's would the players involved choose our league to the english premier league i doubt it.

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{Ed007's Note - Players that have went to places like Russia and recently China show that most modern players will go anywhere if you throw enough money at them - and their agents.}

07 Feb 2016 01:19:30
I thing Ed007 that Lawwell finds it difficult to satisfy the agents' greed and maybe that's why we don't sign some of our targets . Some years ago this was often spoken about . It would be typical of a CEO earning top money to find a difficulty with others motoring in on the money .

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{Ed007's Note - I'm not blaming PL for not competing with those leagues but within reason if we paid that wee bit extra we'd get better players. Look at Ledley and Adam Matthews. I've always said I'm more concerned about the wages we pay than the fee, paying a bit extra for quality, even bosman's for 3/4 player would transform our squad. And before all the talk about squad disharmony I don't buy that bollocks, it happens at clubs all over the world.}

07 Feb 2016 01:35:21
i agree with you there 007 but unless desmond gets visited by the Ghosts of Christmas Past, Present and Yet to Come and decides to splash the cash then we'll be stuck fighting it out with english league one team's for players.

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{Ed007's Note - We've uncovered gems in recent years. Forster, VVD, Wanyama, Ledley etc but we've replaced them with inferior quality. We need to get back to investing in the quality rather than the financial gain. Football has to be the priority rather than balance sheets.}

07 Feb 2016 02:49:09
Totally agree Ed. What I don't get is the short sightedness of it all. Buying inferior players (with a view to the balance sheets) inevitably leads to (cutting our) losses and more money spent on replacements - our strikers over the past 4/ 5 seasons are a perfect example of this. So even the most financially driven must see that it's better to focus on the football side and invest in quality- with a view to moving them on for (considerable) profit. I get the need to make money and to have a financially viable system bug like I say, I just don't get their short sightedness with it.

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06 Feb 2016 14:48:59
If Leicester can have a Ranieri why can't Celtic.
22million his teams value, slaughtering a team with 1 player bought for 30 million. And it isn't a 1 off, have to be considered real contenders now.

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06 Feb 2016 15:03:40
Just watched the Leicester game and I thought that was type of team performance we would be watching when Ronnie came in. Great season for Leicester and would love it if they managed to win the league.

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06 Feb 2016 15:52:49
Should Klopp, Wenger, Hiddink, LVG, Pochettino, Koeman and Martinez all be sacked because they have a lower level team outperforming them?

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06 Feb 2016 16:37:43
Koeman should be the benchmark for a club like Celtic, not some sports guru that got lucky in a part time league.

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06 Feb 2016 16:48:27
With the exception of Arsenal who have stuck by Wenger, most of the other top clubs have all sacked managers in recent years.
However, it's apples and oranges comparing them with us, as we are in a piss-poor league, with a vast advantage of revenue, facilities and resources and have a history and expectancy of success - with style.
Since 2012, our advantage was extended with a guaranteed route to the financially rewarding CL and the club have chosen to opt out.
The running of the club since WGS left seems to be a policy of treading water until Sevco eventually arrive - and Old Firm mark2 will generate cash, publicity and interest - Too late for tears.
They're years behind and a pay-day loan away from another admin.

Anyway, back to us:-
Selling any prized asset and replacing with basic-brand economy to the point where we have regressed to the standard that befits the atrocious level of our league - and not the standard of quality that is expected and enjoyed by Celtic supporters who find they are getting a lot less for their cash than is acceptable.
The current squad are very short of class, personality, character and flair and our defence is the poorest for many years.
The people who are responsible for identifying talent, spotting star quality and attracting Celtic class players have been failing to do that in recent years and we have become ordinary and lazy.

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06 Feb 2016 17:18:57
Jungle Jim.

The problem is actually more simple than that

It is COMPLACENCY
It is also part ATTITUDINAL

Leicester sacked their manager too

Sometimes ( from time to time) you can inadvertently assemble a core / crop of players who aren't terribly good. RDs issue is that his exposure to good PROS who are good enough for CFC or any club that has CL aspirations ( or even EL aspirations ) is very limited

Take OG Solkskaer. He may not have the man to man management credentials, or the ability to deliver a rousing lecture BUT he was exposed to TOP PROS and knows the difference between a good player and an effective player and the tools required to be effective at that level ( IE CL or EL level )

CFC got a coach who outperformed expectations in a league that is even more irrelevant than our own. His achievement was outstanding but nonetheless he didn't need to deal with pre madonnas or players transferring for big fees and big weekly wages

Whilst not his fault, he arrived out of his depth or at the very least out of his comfort zone. That does not mean he couldn't succeed. Anything is possible

That said, we can only judge him on the progress he and CFC have made. His progression can only manifest in ( and thus be judged on ) how we view our team. If we see no progress then there is no progress

We need to take trophies away from any computation because the real issue is

Progress
Improvement
Positive strides
Players values increasing ( in our model )

RD was always going to arrive like a fish out of water. In a normal job when a guy on the shop floor gets a management job it is a DIfFERENT job and the person needs time to adjust and adapt. However, now and again, the perceived potential and hoped for progress doesn't crystallise ( or play out ) and you have to September back and say " okay it was a gamble / a good idea based on a series of assumptions " but it hasn't worked out

The mistake is to expect a different result if the person that is failing continues to do what they are doing without adapting

It is possible that RD is developing BUT that his on the job learning has lost the dressing room. His mistakes have left players worse off and low in confidence. That will take a massive turnaround in fortune

CFC were entitled to go down the non Celtic minded managerial / hands on coach road but it was a gamble

There is now a real concern about the clubs soul. There is a seeping and open wound that could crucify us and that is called

Indifference

The level of detachment between fans and board and manager and players and first team coach and players and between fans themselves could be the real Achilles heel

All we want are players that care and play to their very best and ice their all for a club like no other and the race is most certainly on because we are running the very risk of becoming a club like so many others, going nowhere and romanticising over the past because the future appears so bleak.

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06 Feb 2016 18:22:07
Regardless of what manager is doing what, - either under/ over performing, is Ronny the best manager in the whole universe that we could get, obviously not! You don't have to be young, with no experience to be progressive and have good ideas! There are plenty top managers, with experience, European and otherwise who have great ideas and have histories of helping build youth academies etc also! If you had said to me in July that we'd be in this position today, with the season we have had, I would have said impossible! It couldn't have went any worse! How anyone can think this is cool is beyond comprehension!

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06 Feb 2016 18:45:26
I have read people on here saying that Ronny's target every year is to qualify for the group stages of either the Champions league or the Europa league, and as we have been in the Europa league for the last 2 years then he has achieved his targets.
Surely though we have been in the Europa league because we have been knocked out of the Champions league, we haven't qualified for it.
I think it's ridiculous that failure is somehow portrayed as success, it shows the contempt the people running the club have for the fans.
They'll be telling us next that finishing in the top 2 is a fine achievement.

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06 Feb 2016 22:17:29
Gerry

Good post.

If you also remember we actually only hit into the Europa League in his first season because we got a 3 0 win over Legia Warsaw. Without that we would have been out of Europe completely.

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07 Feb 2016 01:28:17
There is no question that anytime we get top money currently £10m+ for a player who cost £2/ 3m but we will replace the £10m + player by a player at half the price or less . I can never foresee the time that won't happen .
We won't raise our wage structure to equate to a £10m + player . The board in its wisdom after getting advice from our accountants feel that level of wages is impossible to maintain .
All that we can hope for is to get better value in the money we are spending on buying players or bringing players through the academy.

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06 Feb 2016 11:40:37
i will lose the little respect i have left for ronnie deila if he plays 1 up front against east kilbride! anyone agree!?

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06 Feb 2016 12:19:16
I will lose all patience with Gordon if he doesn't keep a clean sheet.

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06 Feb 2016 12:42:54
Anything but a clean sheet and a bag-full will be seen as a failure of sorts and there is no excuse with the squad available and the need for the whole club to get their act together.

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06 Feb 2016 13:35:04
That's another huge problem I have with Ronny - any top manager would drop Lustig and Gordon! How those 2, plus Forrest, McGregor and a few others can even get on the park at the moment is simply embarrassing! Why in the name of God have a huge squad when imposters get picked every week! Biton has also been poor, GMS has had 2 good games, Rogic the same, and fans want him to be getting a ten year contract! We need a manager who can see all this because it's fecking ridiculous!

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06 Feb 2016 15:54:17
Rogic is probably a contender for player of the season, so don't have a clue what you are talking about.

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06 Feb 2016 15:56:09
Well I am going tomorrow and I am putting 9-1 bet on. I am taking the wife and 2 boys. We are in the east Kilbride section as that is my 9-10 year old boys' team. I want Celtic to win obviously and it will feel strange in the other section. However we are from EK and I would like to see them score 1 goal

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06 Feb 2016 17:35:31
Rab.

You see rogic goals but you obviously don't see the lethargy or laborious nature of many of his displays. He is no Stan petrov or moravcik or Alan Thomson for that matter!

Player of the year? Seriously? Next you'll be saying commons should get a 5 year deal.

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06 Feb 2016 17:52:51
I'm not sure about POTY, as I think LG and KT are a bit ahead in terms of that, but I do think we missed Rogic against both Ross County and Aberdeen and are, this season at least, a better team with him in it.

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06 Feb 2016 18:09:53
Poetic. Behave. KT? Come on. He's played about 5 good games. We can't get carried away. No harm to the lad but at the rate we are going we'll be listening to his preaching in the local synagogue next! I think I saw the lad turn a fish supper the other day in to 10000 fishes and 10 kebabs, at least I think it was kebabs judging by our captain's enthusiasm!

KT would do well to keep his head down and keep mastering the basics like tackling and picking up decent defensive positions.

POTY has the be LG but scottish player of the year will probably come from the north of the country.

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06 Feb 2016 18:56:06
I was talking about Celtic's player of the year. The rest of your gibberish aside, if you think KT has only played five good games, we'll leave it at that because I've no interest in discussing his performances with someone who clearly hasn't got a clue.

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06 Feb 2016 20:26:08
Rogic player of the year, God help us, you must be watching different games from me! He played a couple of games in Europe and cost us a goal straight off the playground, and it was an important goal! He's just back from injury and done ok, but in the SPL, I really don't have a clue what you are thinking RabMac! A player of the year is someone who has played every game and been super consistent - the only player that fits that is Griffiths! You need to sort it out! By all means back Ronny but you talk a lot of nonsense and never back up your thinking!

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07 Feb 2016 01:05:02
It really sums up how desperate we are to seek solace in such an average season, that we are highlighting bit-part players [no matter how good in flashes] to emphasise any highlights.
Of course these guys, with Griffiths have prove their value, but in comparison, to Gordon, Lustig, Johansen, Armstong and more - it is poor consolation for a shocking state of affairs and potentially very poor season - all things considered!

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07 Feb 2016 01:34:29
Playing one up front is not an issue with me . What is an issue is the number of attacking player we have in their penalty area when we are crossing or putting the ball into the area . We should have at least 2/ 3 players in, near post, middle and back post . Our system allows multi number of players in the box to attack the ball but too often we don't get them .

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06 Feb 2016 09:14:36
Does nobody think we have the squad for a 3-5-2 I think this would greatly suit the players we have and bring the best out of our attacking options, at the minute we constantly go up the wings and cross the ball this is pointless when you have 1 uptop would also give us more support in the middle where we are moving forward as one and leaving the hole behind, just a thought as I don't think this formation works with the players we havr.

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06 Feb 2016 10:31:05
People have romantic ideas about the 3-5-2 because we had a great team when O'Neil played it. However, many fans seem to forget how easy it is to negate the 3-5-2. The weakness of this formation is to play diagonal/ straight balls over the top to fast wingers and this will totally expose the defence.

The first team I recall finding this weakness were Porto and they absolutely destroyed us that night. After that McLeish used the same tactic against us, with Lovenkrands destroying us down the wing.

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06 Feb 2016 11:11:43
I think formation matters, only to a point though. I've always said, - good players can adapt, and play in many positions! For eg if Forrest and GMS were actually any good and/ or consistent they could play wide in a 442 or a 4231 or a 433! The problem for me is the players are bang average! What Ronny sees in Forrest and McGregor is truly baffling. Forrest has been winging it for 5 years, and if McGregor didn't have a good shot you would think he was a half decent lower league player! We have bought players simply because they were available/ Scottish! The last 2 years have been hell, between Lennons final year, and most of Ronny's reign, well if I was Lawwell I certainly wouldn't be proud! The more I think about him the more my blood boils because every time he gives an interview it's obviously all planned with questions to suit then he crawls away. I honestly don't know what he actually does! I've always stuck up for Desmond, purely because he was there with Fergus, he didn't talk about it, he did it! He backed the club with hard cash! I'm not expecting him just to give us free money, he probably knows if you start that it can have a snowball affect which will mean we need more free cash. What I do blame him for though Is Leaving Lawwell and Park to run things! In saying that I wouldn't be surprised if Lawwell dresses up as who we now know as Park so the blame can be deflected! I have never heard Park speak, and technically he should be in charge of all football operations! If they are actually different people, it's a certainty Lawwell is making the decisions, even although he's not qualified! The fact he gave Ronny the job because he was good at the interview is also incredible! The world is full of people who talk well but can't do much! Bankier is another who comes across as an egomaniac! I'd prefer Desmond even brought his own people in, whether from Ireland or wherever, and appointed a proper Director Of Football, with a pedigree!

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06 Feb 2016 11:51:43
With the problems we have at the back a 352 would leave Gordon rattling like a battery hen. MON had Mjallby, Joos, Bobo and Varga McNamara and Agathe to choose from currently we have Ambrose Boyata and Lustig as our best 3. MoN had a ridiculous midfield compared with what we've got and then John Chris and God upfront. If Jozo and Sviatchenko can eventually form a partnership with Tierney and hopefully Janko if he returns looking as good as he did, we will be in good shape for a back 4. Need Brown back to his best but even if we get that I reckon there's not much left in him.

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06 Feb 2016 12:46:31
I totally agree that personnel and ability matters much more than formation and although I would like to see us vary our tactics and line-up a lot more with the abundance of players we have, I do think this is the weakest and most incompetent group of defenders/ goalie we have had for many years. [I excuse young Tierney from that btw. ].

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06 Feb 2016 13:03:37
Everyone saw this coming when we knew VVD and Denayer were both going. Still don't think Boyata is a lost cause, needs a decent partner. I'm really pinning a lot of hopes on Sviatchenko and Jozo liking up well but aye, this is the worst back 4 (KT excepted) in as long as I can remember. Majstorovic would walk straight into our defence just now (and he was not capable of doing much more than walking! )

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06 Feb 2016 15:58:49
Sorry JT2 I have to disagree as I think the system we play leaves our defenders exposed, so it is hard to judge how good/ bad they are.

This is one of the few problems I have with Deila, his reluctance to adapt his philosophy to suit the players he has. Don't get me wrong, I do think Deila has improved all of our players technically but I think many of them are still falling short of the required level to play the way he wants on a consistent basis.

This is why lots of our moves break down or we give away possession.

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06 Feb 2016 17:40:05
If you have 3 decent and mobile defenders can play quickly and know how to pick up good positions then 3 at the back is workable. Rather that than poor full back and poorer still right modifieder for the sake of a formation

Take the players you have and get the best of them on be park and find a system that works for them

We have square pegs in round holes all over the park at the moment for the benefit of 4 1 4 1 or 4 1 2 3 or whatever the heck you call it.

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07 Feb 2016 01:39:34
MO'N was desperately trying to move away from the 3/ 5/ 2 at least for some games but the players had got use to 3 centre halves and were not able to adjust . Few if any teams use 3 centre backs now on a permanent stage, some may switch to it on a one off basis.

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