Celtic Banter Archive April 06 2014

06 Apr 2014 21:24:35
Chris houghton been sacked from norwich so can expect the lennon rumours 2 start circulating again. If the chance came up for him then I really hope lennon would take it and go 2 norwich. Think it would be best for both. Think he's took us as far as he can and think everyone can admit we need someone with new ideas, tactics, youth policy etc

In my opinion Lenny has no chance.A good CL run might have helped, the Barca result is now seen as a fluke, but the EPL and English in general see our league as very poor.Factor his cup record in and I just can't see him even being thought of.

Agree with your post GJ a just feel a wee team like norwich might take a chance on him its about the highest level a think he could get in the epl he's never going 2 get a top 10 team

Who'd be your choice? Who'd take us further? I agree some team selections some times do my head in but lenny's the boss and whoever took over wouldn't alway get the selections right. Its got to be Neil Lennon for me i'd give him a 10/20 year contract. Born to play, captain and manage celtic. Either that or Jurgen Klopp na feck it Lenny for me, ., .kbarry

Kbarry it's no about who ma choice would be it's the fact that the past 2 seasons we look like we are going backwards. He is tactically naive, his domestic cup record is nothing short of abysmal, he has no clue how to change a game or come up with a plan b, dud signings, blatant favouritism towards certain players, doesn't give youth or 2nd string players enough chances, bangs on about his disapointment about no english clubs not showing enough interest in him wtf is that all about? imo if norwich show a genuine interest in him in the summer and they r still in the epl then he will go and I think it would be best for him and the club. He was a great player and captain for us and done some great work as manager getting us 2 the cl twice and last 16 once and got 3 in a row which to be fair any manager could have got the last 2 but tbh I genuinely think he's an average manager at best. Probs better as a number 2 than a manager. That;s my opinion anyway

Kbarry perhaps you are happy with poor cup runs domestically, dud signings and lennon introducing racist thug griffiths to club because majority of celtic fans are not impressed.

He is not a good manager, should never of got job and sooner he is away the better.

A clear case of lennon blinkers

I've heard that the guy at the top in Norwich is celtic daft, and Lennon is high on his list, but agree with kbarry, who would you like to takeover, I honestly feel we will win the treble next year in a cantor, if we can hold onto key players.

Ok lads fair dos. Dn how do you reckon the "majority"(do you mean on this site or overall?) of us are not impressed. Remember Mogga? Lennon wears his heart on his sleeve, that's what I love about him he's a normal wee guy. Also brought in a rubbishload(£) compared to what he's wasted. Whod be your replacements(only a question as I know its not up to yous to appoint), ., .kbarry(the lenny lover)

@kbarry! Do you know there is a young up and coming tactical manager fae over govan way! If the long ball to daly doesn't work he switches tactics to out left and long ball to daly? If that fails then its changed again to out right! And you guessed it! Long ball to daly! Guardiola, wenger, Rodgers and pelligrenii better pick up their game or their coats will be on a shaky nail!

What does Lennon need to achieve to be accepted by the naysayers . He could well be one of only 3 Celtic Managers who by this time next year has achieved four in a row . It's not possible to please everyone

06 Apr 2014 19:50:10
Shows yer baird.

Well done dougie hill yer mam mary will be proud of you.

kbarry

Thought the boy was a giant for them, and very brave into the bargain.

Kbarry> And his Dad Harry:)

Nice one Benedict mate, itd be funny if my dad was harry barry, its just plain gerry though. Is your mam jenny? is your dad named kenny? Is your we cousin wee denny? Ol right I know enough I ain't no Dylan/Ryder, ., .kbarry

06 Apr 2014 19:27:00
A tweet from a zombie, 'Dont gloat Celtic fans you can't even reach the ramsdens cup final'.I kid you not. Some brilliant retweets from the undead.

GJ, I actually wondered if that was coming, I wouldn't have been surprised and not seen anything like it, so thanks for that. Brilliant :)

06 Apr 2014 18:45:27
Let's get a poll up ed for Sally's excuses.

If they had the 'superbus' they would have won it.

06 Apr 2014 18:41:25
Can I just be the first to say,, and maybe a quick YEEHA.

06 Apr 2014 18:27:38
Man alive, 2 Cup finals in Scotland and both 0-0 at the end of 90 mins

The sooner this debacle of a season is over, the better.

06 Apr 2014 16:58:14
Dear me, if Jackie Mac and his boys are watching this they must be howling with laughter and booking the hotel for the cup final. If Raith can just get their heads up when on the ball this is there for them.

The game is wide open and sevco have nothing other than a big punt to Daly or a big punt to Wallace running left.There has also been some very debatable decisions by the referee, so no change there, so I would think we can assume a penalty award around seventy minutes if still level. Good fun though!

06 Apr 2014 17:27:01
Disneys top 30 on at the minute, ., .kbarry

06 Apr 2014 16:05:58
is it just me or does mohsni look like a guy from Avatar?

06 Apr 2014 12:09:43
Personally I don't think Leigh Griffiths can be defended if the video in the paper today is real.

No matter what way I look at it, it ain't the best!

As I posted earlier Mrs E, if genuine he has blown it. Very disappointing if the footage is true.

If its not genuine, I would expect legal action from the Club.

It's indefensible if true and all this 'what about' is a piece of nonsense. The very foundations of the Club is built on no racism.

Just seen the video and there is no way of defending him he has to go don't mind banter or winding up opposition but racist chants have no place in our club sack him

I defended him when he signed case I felt at celtic he would knuckle down score goals and behave and defended him again last week over the hearts going bust video and stand by it but after seeing this new video there is absolutely no defence for him. Signing about refugee's is basically opposite of everything celtic stands for against racism and anyother prejudice and if it was me in charge I would sack him with immediate effect. He knew the responsibilty that came with playing for celtic and imo he's totally threw it back in the clubs face. In this day and age he should know better that signing something so stupid in a pub of all places is going to get caught on someones mobile. No way back for him for me unless lennon knew about this before it hit the headlines today

The apparently"new footage" was on the original, it's real, he done it and it's been dealt with!
He should have known better and must learn from it, he might, he might not?!
I've seen and heard worse, the club have punished him, The End!
Until the nxt time lol

Gunnie, I'm the same and everyone deserves a 2nd chance (within reason) but this isn't the first time he's done something like this - assuming the video is legit.

John, I'm waiting to see what the Club has to say but it's cringeworthy stuff.

Ok for Forrest to expose himself?

Who said it was okay Steve?

Well I didn't c u, mrs e, coming out with same indignation when that was reported.
Are you really looking for him to be sacked?
I suppose you never supported NL when he was on front pages as a player for off field activities? I could list a number of players who've not been all "sweetness and light" but single out this guy, why?

Mrs E the club will publicly slate him, then stick by him. But it's last weeks news to the club and SFA, the apparent new footage which is legit, is old news but will be made new news by the media!
The "new footage" is on the tail end of the original and has been seen by the club which is what he was punished for and why the SFA are involved. I doubt any further punishment but a slap on the wrist to appease some fans and media that think it's new will happen!

Where did I say I wanted him sacked?

Guys are you honestly saying if the video is legit you don't find it embarrassing? How many incidents/stupidity/banter/naivety is acceptable?

Fans sing the Famine song, is that just having a bit of banter between fans - can I look forward to no more complaints about that?

This is not LG's first time involving racism or with complaints:-

He has served suspensions on three separate occasions as a result of notices of complaint issued by the SFA while he was playing for Hibs.

In December 2011 - he received a one-match ban for gesturing at Rangers supporters during a 2-0 defeat at Easter Road.

January 2012 - one-match ban when he gestured at his team’s own fans as Hibs won a Scottish Cup tie at Cowdenbeath.

Later in January 2012 - banned for two matches after making a one-finger gesture to supporters as Hibs lost 3-2 at home to St Johnstone.

Griffiths has also regularly courted controversy off the pitch, including being charged with an alleged racist tweet in February 2013.

Google our manager for off and on field offences then compare the 2!

What is it I'm looking for Steve?

I don't think a players 2nd offence for a form of racism and discrimination in a year is defendable particularly at a Club like Celtic.

You do based on 'what about' - fair enough.

You have your opinion and I have mine.
just don't be selective in who you take the moral high ground over.
Were you as vocal over others who have embarrassed our club? Stokes and the baggage he brings? NL? Forrest? That's just part of current team/manager. We could go back further.
For me, he has been dealt with appropriately and to be perfectly honest SMS will use this to minimise what happened in Edi yesterday.

Aw for **** sake. I don’t think a 2nd act of racism is defendable and I’m taking the moral high ground –okay .

Some posters on here have blatantly stated that they want him shown the door but have you responded to them – No.

Most understand the implications here and why it is a bit different to a nightclub incident. There’s zero tolerance with every single employer when it comes to anything to do with this kinda thing and has been for a long time. It’s an immediate sacking offence, ask any employer or check their code of conduct online.

Right clear your mind of Forrest, Neil Lennon and Edinburgh. Why do you think the Record have a story here, what is their story and why is it so relevant to Celtic?

Celtic – what is their whole foundation built on?

When you are at the home matches, what is the announcement that comes from the big screen?

The fans are always up in arms about racist songs and there are banners at Celtic Park at almost every game relating to this. Next time make sure you ask for them to be taken down as you cannae be doing with the moral high ground stuff.

I work in the Public Sector and I can guarantee that if the head of a Public Service was caught on video (in his/her own time) singing that song, he would be sacked or made to resign. He would probably get away with a nightclub incident, if it was a first offence. Football players have much the same high profile.

I have not asked for him to be sacked, Ii just don’t think you can defend any manner of racism/xenophobia/discrimination – particularly not the 2nd incident in a year and a nightclub incident by another player does not justify it.

I'll wait and see what the Player and Club have to say anyway.

Sorry mrs e I've got to disagree Leigh sung a football fans song not a political song IMO I'm pretty sure all us celtic fans have done the same with songs about ally Walter and mcleish of late telling them to cheer up. Celtic signed Leigh knowing that this guy came with a lot of baggage and if they decide to sack him for this then the club should be criticized for failing to re-educate Leigh or at least try. I fully understand a professional footballer should not behave like a fan but clearly he isn't the most intelligent guy as he keeps getting in to trouble but he should be given more than 1 chance from celtic plc before discarding him as they signed him with his history.

Its derogatory and does refer to his nationality/race, we all know the score Jim with this kinda stuff and how it differs from eg. a nightclub incident.

We can dress it up all we want and attempt to justify it but in this day and age, its not acceptable and hasn’t been for a very long time.

When he was singing about Hearts financial woes that was one thing but this is a whole different issue and we all know exactly why.

Totally agree that education is the way and surely he cannot be that daft he does not understand the implications of racial songs – no matter how mild/severe we see them? Most are quite single minded about this and view anything about nationality or race as severe.

The Club have to condemn this and take action or all those message on the Website, big screens, programmes, messages from the players etc – well what’s the point?

Hopefully the video isn’t legit and we can move on.

Are you daft enough to think Leigh Griffith was singing a political song mrs e it's a football fan song to slag a rival player it happens all over the world and sometimes you need to shrug it off as banter. And yes Leigh probably is that daft look at his roll of shame at hibs wolves and now celtic. I for one would rather my kids hear a football banter song than someone exposing themselves or punching people in public!

{Ed007's Note - You do know that singing the song is seen as a racially aggravated breach of the peace don't you? The reason people don't see it as racist is simply because Skacel isn't black, it seems racism is classed as banter as long as the person is white. Do you think The Famine Song is football banter?
The whole situation only highligyts how ignorant some people are about racism, McGeady and James McCarthy being booed or called a traitor for choosing to play for Eire is seen as banter but if you boo a black player for anything you will be accused of being a racist. How did you feel about some of the online abuse Islam Feruz received when it came out he was leaving Celtic, was that banter or racism?
I wonder how people would have reacted if it was a Sevco player who was (allegedly) singing the song.}

I do think the famine song is sung as banter by most rangers fans on match days, don't you? Over the years I've worked with many rangers fans who have probably sung it but are married to irish descendants or work with people like me who descent from Ireland and treat you with respect and wouldn't sing it out with football. It's also true we sing sectarian songs on certain occasions but I don't take it to work either so are we all bigots? Or is it sometimes banter pushed to the limit. If things can't be seen as banter anymore then don't complain when stadiums start getting shut on a regular basis as football fans always have and probably always will taunt their rivals

{Ed007's Note - No I certainly don't see The Famine Song as banter and thankfully neither do the courts. All I can say about the people you worked with is that they are obviously stupid, ignorant and confused. If they think it is banter why don't they sing it away from football, you have said you would laugh it off as banter if they did, perhaps they know it's wrong, it's illegal, they could be sacked for it so why do they see it as acceptable to sing it in a football ground? Being ignorant and stupid is no excuse for it.
Are you saying that UEFA were wrong to punish Bayern Munich over their banner at the Arsenal match, or the people who were throwing bananas at Mark Walters years ago were only doing it for a laugh? What about the Italian and Russian teams who have been punished because of their fans making monkey noises to black players, is that all banter to you as well?
You yourself are admitting to singing sectarian songs but please don't tar all CFC supporters with the same brush, there is a huge difference between offensive songs and sectarian ones.}

Jim I have done some daft things in my day but no, i’m not really daft lol

Its not up to me to shrug it off and its not a choice of what you would rather expose your kids to either. In an ideal world, we would all live in peace but it doesn’t work like that.

Maybe some are perfect and never made a mistake but it’s certainly not the case with me.

Not a defence but Forrest hasn’t been found guilty of anything and (as far as I know) there’s no footage. If he does end up found guilty of the charges then yes, I do expect disciplinary action by the Club.

Can I also add, i'm the wrong person to discuss abuse with. I have regular training and awareness courses in my work regarding this and there is no difference between physical and verbal abuse.

You can tar the whole support have you never heard sectarian sing at celtic park? Have you ever sung cheer up ally McCoist oh what can it be .or was that not the vast majority . You have to know when it crosses a line between football banter and racism/sectarianism/homophobia etc and how/where you do certain things . It may sound like a contradiction but some things shouldn't be allowed but something's should be tolerated to a degree as it will take generations to eradicate completely on all sides

{Ed007's Note - So when does it cross the line, when you say so?}

I would say when you take it on to the streets to intimidate people or into the work place

{Ed007's Note - So it's ok to be a bigot in your own home and teach your children that it's ok, as long as you are a coward, and can be sleekit and two-faced about it so nobody finds out?
Good outlook on life there Jim, normal people would say that racism, sectarianism etc have no place in a modern society, your values seem more akin to a 70s sitcom or Sevco footsoldiers across the city.}

I'm a realist ed it exists and won't just go away no matter what anyone does in the moderate time. Things are better now than the eighties and will continue to improve in social life which is good. But when it comes to football things won't change quickly and nobody is being a coward. And please tell me what percentage of fans at celtic park won't shout sectarian abuse at next match vs rangers?

{Ed007's Note - Just because it goes on doesn't mean it's acceptable. It used to be acceptable to put 'No Irish Need Apply' in job advertisements, it used to be acceptable that blacks and whites had separate public bathrooms and buses, it used to be acceptable to use slang terms for Chinese restaurants and Asian corner shops, you must miss those days when it was all a bit of banter eh?
I can't stand people like you, 90 minute bigots who are all mouth inside the ground and then don't even have the courage to hold the same views in their everyday life.
By even trying to justify this only shows that you are actually part of the problem. Racism, no matter what colour the person's skin is, has no place in modern society.}

You must hate a lot of people then as on old firm days the country is full of 90 minute bigots

{Ed007's Note - That's quite a sweeping generalisation there - I guess it really does take one to know one. You will find that a lot of those people are just plain outright bigots though, not the spineless, sleekit two-faced kind who will say anything just to try and fit in and look popular, including denying their own beliefs, feelings and views.
Thankfully we won't be experiencing any more Old Firm games.}

I stand by my original post and this is just not possible to defend, not even with whataboutery (poor excuse anyway)

Is this a normal Hibs song anyway?