Celtic Banter Archive October 05 2018

 

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05 Oct 2018 17:55:46
Just seen someone saying that comparing us to Salzburg isn't fair because its a lot easier for them to get work permits for players from obscure countries how much truth is there in that? Surely getting a permit for a professional footballer can't be that difficult and if it is couldn't the Scottish government step in to make it easier as it would benefit all Scottish teams.

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05 Oct 2018 19:01:08
Can't think of any player Celtic have been refused a work permit for.
Kouassi, Wanyama and the Japanese boy got one. So there is wriggle room with Work permit.

The whole scouting system seems to be up in the air.

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05 Oct 2018 19:49:00
I wish we were refused work permits for the majority of rodgers signings☘HH.

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05 Oct 2018 20:15:03
There’s no excuse. They have a great scouting system and a great youth system.

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05 Oct 2018 17:20:39
Just some thoughts after the night before.
After watching last night's game I believe we are at a crossroads.
Stick or twist.
Stick with BR and back him with money in January. (If you think we have money)
Back his judgement in the transfer market. His knowledge of a player (If you think it's any good)
Back his tactics of a possession based game. (which has been domestically untouched)
After the debacle of the transfer window does he even see his future at the club.
Or do we twist.

A clear fallout has taken place between the board and manager and no matter how much they deny it I will never be convinced.
Has the board had enough of poor signings and want to take more control in that department.
Then you ask the question would a new manager bring the domestic success BR has brought to the club.

One thing is for sure last night we played a young energetic team who's first thought when they had the ball was to move it forward and with pace.
And press all over the park when they didn't have the ball.
Will we see a Celtic side do that under BR or any manager we may bring in. that's up for debate.
My thoughts are we have a financially sound, well run business model. A club with very clever people at the helm.
And a top manager. who has brought great levels of success and enjoyment to the club.

If both parties can work together it's a formidable combination that will only bring more success our way.
What's your take on our current situation.

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05 Oct 2018 18:19:14
In my opinion I think Rogers has definitely taken this squad as far as he can regarding Europe . When he initially came in he obviously improved the playing squad, nowadays I don’t really look forward to the European games as you can never really enjoy them, as you get the feeling we are never far away from a hiding . There was talk a while ago that we are not champions league level, it seems we have dropped down to the lower levels of the Europa . If I’m wrong I’d be happy but I can’t see us beating Leipzig or Salzburg at home . In saying this, I still believe in Rogers but my point at the start meant with this squad at the minute has probably gone as far as it can. I can’t see us getting a better manager in, so we need to back him financially in January, with our eye on finishing this season strongly and have players bedded in early for qualifiers.

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05 Oct 2018 18:27:26
I remember RD proclaiming this 'high-press, quick tempo' philosophy - as do many other managers in the game today, but to be perfectly blunt, how many of the current (and recent) Celtic squad have accepted/ adhered to this style?
At present we have a number of 'luxury' players who may have skill and ability, but are far too set in their ways for chase and pace.

It remains to be seen what will happen with BR in the current uneasy climate of the corridors of Celtic Park, but at present he has the backing of the support and the players - if not the board?
His record is second to none in a two season period (barring big Jock) and hopefully we will continue to succeed; but there is real improvement needed from all concerned, especially domestically.
At present Europe seems a step to far for many of this team and maybe even BR himself, but domestic dominance has to be priority.

Europe is always a bonus and many of us have been lucky enough to have seen some historical and unforgettable Celtic displays, however, this team - and management team (in Europe) are too short of savvy, big game nerves and confidence - plus real quality in vital positions right through the spine of our team to compete.

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05 Oct 2018 19:22:02
Totally agree oab, although Europe is a bonus we should as a club our size expect a little more in it . I’d really like us to push the boat out one season and spend quite heavily on young talented players . It would probably give us two seasons of the type of football the last few managers have spoken about and if they are young we recoup and make a profit on the above players when we sell them after the two years .

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05 Oct 2018 20:00:17
We seem to say the same thing year after year about getting players in early to bed them in for the Champions league qualifiers but we never do it.
I don't know the details of Lawwell's contract with us but any bonus he gets should be linked to us qualifying for the Champions league. It looks to me that he can make profits for the club by selling players regardless of how results are on the pitch, that can't be right.
In my opinion we seem to buy players with the sole intention of making a profit on them, there doesn't appear to be much ambition to take us to a higher level. In the last couple of years all the talk has been about how much money we would get for Dembele, no one ever seems to consider that if we could improve ourselves then we might be able to have held on to him. Is it so unreasonable to want us to benefit from the work we have done on some of these youngsters rather than just preparing them for their inevitable move.
The club need to wake up and see the gradual decline in our playing standards, it's not just in Europe but there has been a drop off in our domestic form. We are dropping points to teams that even a year ago would not have happened, our form has dipped for so long now that it's got to be more than a blip.
To maintain our dominance domestically, we need to start investing in the playing squad. That has to be a priority over balance sheets.

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05 Oct 2018 22:41:39
First time poster. Feel I have to get frustrations out there.

Everything last night was predictable.

RB Salzburg are a £93m squad. Celtic are a £64m squad. Salzburg don’t get beaten at home. CFC are finding it difficult to get results travelling.

TRFC are reputedly £34m squad with Rapid Vienna £23.5m.

Salzburg are 4x the team of Rapid Vienna and they were at home.

Lustig is getting old. Hendry is inexperienced and out his depth at this level. To continue with him is to offer an open door to opposition.

I believe Brendan Rodgers has made errors as manager and despite his excellent successes, is not beyond healthy criticism. It’s how we improve.

We missed big Filip in Defence last night. I believe Mulumbu can play central defence, Tierney also, with Izzaguire at left back.

It all went wrong in Defence when sviatchenko got sacked and Brendan first put Bitton in there then Ajer. What’s wrong with Simunovic? Brendan also purchased Gamboa and Compper but no contribution in Defence from them.

Finally, getting put out the Champions league by AEK Athens (£34m squad) when we were £84m and had Dembele was negligent.

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05 Oct 2018 23:41:12
Playing such a possession heavy style is always going to make things difficult for us in Europe. When a lesser quality team comes up against a team with higher quality, the most common way of closing the gap seems to be playing a counter attacking style. It’s unlikely we’re ever going to do that domestically.

However I don’t think Salzburg looked anything spectacular last night. Again we seem to give away soft goals. Although I appreciated Rodgers trying a different style they seemed clueless at executing it.

In regards to Rodgers, he’s a good coach but he needs better players. That’s partly his fault too, his signings mostly have been poor. We need to have someone else recruiting and Rodgers working with the players.

First and foremost though as we’ve been saying for years we need to get rid of the deadwood. Looking at the bench last night was scary, none of those players would even get in the Rosenborg team!

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06 Oct 2018 00:23:38
It doesn't matter if you play fast tempo or slow tempo or high press or low press or hot press or cold press, if you give possession away too cheaply, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.

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06 Oct 2018 00:37:22
Is nothing to do with how much the squads cost, it's to do with how good the squad is, how motivated the squad is, how well managed the squad is, too much emphasis with some supporters on how much money a player gets paid rather than how much does a player want to be in the team, Dembelle made the difference when he came in, those games against Man city, and the rest of the season, I think Moussa is a top talent but his head got turned and he was ofski, Eduward maybe has a lot of potential, but he is no Dembelle, I think his mind is elsrwheres, there might be more to that car crash, and it is praying on his mind, or something else, he is only twenty,

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06 Oct 2018 04:30:34
It's all about the desire which sadly wasn't there on Thursday We need guys who do the hard part of the game I feel the teams soft at the moment a few have gone Henderson Sviachenco and Johansen rightly or wrongly they were all a bit harder than some of what we have at the minute. but we are still way better than anything else up here we need some pace and power all this crap about Griff carrying weight he's most likely been lifting them which can cause you to slow up and look more bulky Forrest and Christie look the same.

As said previously England have ruined the transfer market if Brendan is really that frustrated with his lot up here which I have my doubts he will go at the end of the year hounded out in the same way Lennon Strachan and others were before him they didn't want to go but did funny that.

All were successful in their own way but the negativity that spreads over the club it's causing instability the rubbish we see or hear in the press or on live Tv now? Fat Griff. China, Aston Villa, Newcastle. Man Utd OK are we really going to sign players on 100k a week to keep the infallible one happy.

Brendans ego wouldn't allow him to go back to the Championship and we would be bust like that mob across the road if we keep spending on over priced players but that's the pressure if he can't win the league with what he's got end of January he shouldn't be here next season.

If he stays and completes his objectives then he will go down as a true great if not he got lucky right place right time well that's what will be said and we move on we are being out priced in the transfer market for players we can't pay top cash for rubbish houses from England 3 in a row for Brendan will be fine if he goes he goes.

Tommy Burns wasn't so lucky the difference being there was never the threat of him leaving he got the players in got them playing and who knows if he got that other season in but it's all about lady luck they both have that same demeanour when your not winning it's like when the wife not coming up with the goods it's not fair.
But life's always better on the Green side of the city.
Hail Hail.

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06 Oct 2018 11:19:30
The way Salzburg played was how we played under BR in our first season. Fast attacking football. Pressing all over the park to win possession and mounting wave after wave of attack. We haven't seen that since early part last season. I don't know if the players aren't fit enough to do that all season or they just can't be bothered with the philosophy anymore. We seem too slow in our build up from the back and our attack is boring, slow sideways passing and minimal movement. We lack physicality up front and creativity out wide with the form of Sinclair and Forrest up and down. But again lack of movement and hesitancy up front isn't help either Wideman. Griffiths looks fat and unfit too. He isn't half the player he was doesn't play on the shoulder wanting the ball over the top anymore either. He seems to try come short and hold the ball up which isn't his strong point thus leaving him further away from goal where he's most affective. Everyone just needs to get their finger out from the board to the manager to the players as this isn't current form isn't good enough. This is the important month as the top teams all likely to drop points against each other, October is the month we need to find top gear and put a marker down and get back to the top of the league.

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05 Oct 2018 12:15:33
Away from home in Europe you need a bit if muscle up top and we sold ours, so we'll be on the end of a few spankings in this group away from home, we were oupoassed and gave them so much respect stii g back inviting them on to us just not good enough.

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05 Oct 2018 13:26:32
Mally, we paid 9mil for edouard he should be the muscle up top, he should be the goals up top, he should the man for 9mil. He has scored one goal in the spl, one against alkashert, two against rosenborg and one last night. that's just not good enough. Is it any wonder why the board don't want to give rodgers another penny. ☘HH.

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05 Oct 2018 14:51:00
True; the comparison in price paid by us between Dembele and Eddy is night and day considering what impact Dembele made right away.
However, Edouarde did show great potential last season and so far has failed to reach the same levels. The price was already set when we took him on loan so the Board and manager must have seen something, as we never spend that kind of money on one player.
OK, the swift exit of Dembele has rocked the boat and affected one or two players, but I think there is also a coaching issue as to what his and Griffiths roles are in the same team as it isn't working, but another problem is too many Celtic players freeze or lose their bottle and make the same mistakes, away from home in Europe - especially when we lose a goal and that's a confidence issue that seems to be missing from the dugout right through.

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05 Oct 2018 16:12:53
Eddy and dembelle are totally different players eddy doesn't have the physical presence of dembelle and is really lazy he needs to start working harder.

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05 Oct 2018 17:31:50
And yet we paid 9mil for eddie. I told you's the french boys weren't pulling their weight. ☘HH.

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05 Oct 2018 18:29:25
What impact did moose make right away? He never scored for his first twelve games or so, if I remember correctly he scored a last min pen in a Euro game . In saying that, our scouting team and whole club in fact need to up their game regarding transfers. I’m sure most fans would love to see, young fit, fast players who love to attack, similar to Salzburg playing in the hoops every week.

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05 Oct 2018 23:54:50
Edouard was not bought for £9.8m as a replacement for Dembele.

Brendan clearly planned to keep Dembele and not release him. The young guy tweeted he was promised a release. Was Brendan fibbing? To him then to us?

Brendan did not plan to release Dembele nor plan to buy a replacement.

The late release of Dembele without a Striker replacement, to me was clearly the manager’s fault. Not the Board’s.

The Board has backed Brendan and paid handsomely for his targets (with large salaries too) but they are increasingly turning out to be very costly duds.

How much more than an £84m double treble winning squad did he need to beat £36m Athens?

Arguably the Board ‘bought’ the double treble by giving him an £84m squad in wee backwards Scotland. And a bigger wage budget than the next 5 teams combined.

What manager could fail to win with all that?

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05 Oct 2018 10:16:07
Poor. All over the pitch. I can't remember us putting five passes together. The early goal should have been the springboard we needed to get a result, just keep the ball and pass quickly. What we got was players playing as if they were kicking a medicine ball.

Possession. The total key to playing in Europe, and we spent the whole game coughing it up. Gordon is a liability at this. Hendry looks like he wants it away ASAP and we keep playing passes to KT that are INSIDE him, meaning he has to turn back as his right foot is a joke. Lustig, who we all love, is done in Europe, and maybe his last season as well domestically.

They were a good team, no more for me, and we could have beat them, i am sure of that. The problem is we never asked any questions of them due to our own faults. Once more we had empty shirts everywhere.

If we do not start going to town in this domestic campaign i fear we are heading back to sack the board days. That would be criminal given the last two years, but it is clear the board are not on the same page as us. The big question is is BR on our page?

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05 Oct 2018 08:26:03
Think Brendan has to take a lot blame for last night . we were holding them at bay all of the first half but getting overrun in midfield our two strikers weren't working as a pair or even individually . one if them should have come off at half time and another midfielder brought on. also thought if big eddy hadn't been so greedy in the run up to the disallowed goal we couldve scored earlier in that passage of play.

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05 Oct 2018 09:49:59
Big eddys work rate is zero and lustig is a liability.

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05 Oct 2018 11:02:58
A lot of us were keen to see Griff and Eddy play together, but it's very clear there is no compatibility in their styles and if anything they detract from each others effectiveness.
Neither of them seems capable of the hold-up play crucial in Europe and the vital support from Ntcham and McGregor was non existent.
The only real pass marks were KT (as usual) Mulumbu and Forrest and that is totally insufficient and unacceptable for a Celtic team.

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05 Oct 2018 14:34:19
Guys, this is a team that’s unbeaten at home domestically and in Europe in the last two years. What makes you think we should be able to turn up and beat them when the likes of Marseille, Borussia Dortmund, Shalke, Real Sociedad couldn’t? We need to remember that whilst we’re a big club, we operate in a small league with limited finances and a low co-efficient. Austria are ranked 24th and Scotland are 39th. I suspect Saltzburg played less qualifiers than we did. Forget who’s to blame and what our deficiencies are. We lost to a better team. That was our toughest game in the group and with a bit of luck and a rocking Celtic Park, we might take something from them. I think we can still qualify from the group.

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05 Oct 2018 03:44:31
Honestly thought we would of won game tonight. I know our record away in europe isn't the greatest but had a good feeling we would of got sonething. Ouch well that our hardest tie dealt with.

Forrest red card is annoying me, cause think its wrong decision hopefully gets overturned. Thought he was clever tonight, is it just me or did left sided player marking him look right footed? Forrest seemed to knock ball past players right side a few times during game.

If we had team at full fitness from last season i reckon we would of tore them apart. Something i noticed don't know about you bhoys was that they pushed their back line high a lot during game. If we had a striker that was pacy and good with long balls we would of smashed them.

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05 Oct 2018 06:16:26
Smashed them, tore them apart and Forrest was clever! your surely at the wind up! Salzburg showed us up for what we are and that’s bang average! Done well for the first 2 min and that was it! Passing poor as per usual and no real belief that we would get something from that game. we've regressed badly as a team and it showed last nite. yes Salzburg are a good team but if u compare budgets wages fan base and club size then we are bigger than them. there's a major lack of self belief when we step on to that park on European nites by the way! Either in the CL or EL! But I’m not shocked in the slightest by the result or the way the game played out! Because it’s like Groundhog Day watchn us in Europe!

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05 Oct 2018 06:22:31
Other teams buy quality mate whereas we sell ours always, I would prefer not be be in the Europa league anyway so we could focus solely on domestic matters this season and let’s be honest we’re never going to win it anyways with a defence like that, we would need to score about 4 goals per game but would still concede 5 anyways.

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05 Oct 2018 06:28:37
If you compare budgets and wages they will be more.

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05 Oct 2018 06:32:39
There’s no way theyr playin nearly 60 million a year on wages, no chance!

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05 Oct 2018 08:05:49
Salzburg are a top quality side and one we should be modelling ourselves on. You will see some of their players get big moves to the top leagues in coming years.

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05 Oct 2018 08:07:57
Combined value of Boyata, Hendry, Lustig and Gordon? . mabye 1 or 2 million? . then we wonder why we can’t defend, we signed Craig Gordon of sportscene.

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05 Oct 2018 08:30:59
Well said Lh88. Unfortunately we have a team with very little quality in it. To be honest l am not surprised with the result. Teams in the Scottish league have found us out so it's not a surprise teams in Europe have. Once teams seem to press us we fold. The touch of some players is shocking and we couldn't seem to put 5 passes together before losing the ball. I know the defence gets belters and rightly so in some cases but what protection do they get in front of them. Mulumbu l thought have a great game and did everything he could. But both griffs and eddy were poor. Ok he took the goal super but their hold up play of the ball was shocking. Every time it went up it came back asap giving the defence no rest.

We pay huge wages, unbelievable support and stadium but unfortunately we do not have the quality. And every time l was Celtic in Europe it just looks more and more painful we are not up to the task.

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05 Oct 2018 08:46:34
It's very hard to take, but we are a very average team when it comes to European competition. I remember the 60's team and then the famous 'road to Seville' with MON - and all the great players we had then and I know times were different etc etc.
However, we also had very lean years in the late 70's, 80's and obviously the 90's and although we are managing to appear regularly in Europe, I think we are nowhere near the level required to seriously compete - especially away from home .
We may have a very high annual wage bill in Scotland, but in the context of other countries and their top clubs - we are definitely the poor relations and we are getting less quality for our money.
The most frustrating thing about this particular period is the repetition of the same old, basic defending mistakes, the severe lack of confidence and fight when we lose a goal in any Euro game and the surrender of the tie and acceptance of defeat.
The players, manager and support can not be happy with this, but the board seem happy enough to plod on regardless of results, reputation and refusal to improve the team accordingly.

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05 Oct 2018 09:40:10
spend some time on the training ground learning how to pass would be helpful. N.

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05 Oct 2018 12:43:11
Totally outclassed. The reasons for that are obvious to everyone not blinded by Lawell love. Rogers signings have been in the most part woeful so here we are.
No one should be surprised. That’s the saddest thing of all.

We are and always have been a club led by penny pinching rubbishbags. Until that changes for the better we won’t move anywhere but sideways and backward. Just like our passing.

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05 Oct 2018 13:26:20
I don't know what has went on since the end of the season but something must have by the end of last season it was so clear that we needed new players in but nothing happened at all WTF and now it's clear to everyone that the players are just going through a routine and not a good one at that and some players should not be on the park for Celtic but with no replacement we are forced to play them not good enough but saying all that we made 17 million profit last year so all is forgiven isn't it?

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06 Oct 2018 00:20:29
Tony2bhoy,
Brendan had a double treble squad, value £84m Plus £9.8m for Odsonne Plus Christie returning and others.
AEK Athens has a £34m squad.
He should never have got beaten. He made immediate excuses about no summer signings. He didn’t show anyone the door mind you, which is his job.
He’s got 35 guys on the books and didn’t punt the duds to free up salaries.
The board must wonder just how much you need to give Brendan to buy him success.
Having a £90m squad in Scottish football is criminal. And clearly £34m gets some managers into CL group stages.

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05 Oct 2018 01:37:11
hi guys n girls new to this watched for years but i need to get involved. if pl doesn't want brendan then he should leave now and dd should kick his arse oot.

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