Celtic Banter Archive October 05 2014

05 Oct 2014 21:56:59
For those who were at the game today, what was your thoughts on the Hamilton centre half Michael Devlin? Part of the best defence in the league, only just turned 21 and a die hard Celtic fan? I thought he was man of the match today. Never lost a header and very composed on the ball.

Maybe we will get him in on loan with a view to buy in jan window

Faither?

Cousin lol. Was interested in fellow fans thoughts on him though. He is in dreamland today, best day of his life and he was immense in my biased opinion

I like Ziggy Gordon, Michael Devlin, Tony Andreu + Ali Crawford. All cracking prospects!

05 Oct 2014 21:01:23
Imagine we are half way thro last season, and if I was to pose the question that next season we are a quarterway thro next season with bein put out the CL TWICE and now 6 points behind Hamilton having scored less and conceded more would you want rid of the manager? Not only would you not believe me but I think you would be callin for his head big time.

05 Oct 2014 19:46:05
Time to have a serious debate.

You cannot simply HOPE that something will work out for the best, and thus justify putting a 1 year backstop on the RD/JC regime.

Many posters are saying you need to give this until the end of the season, and then we can assess it but there are some very interesting counter intuitive arguments too.

Like for instance, when it is not going your way results wise but there is a week on week tangible improvement with the feeling that better results await "around the corner" you can justify more time

but when performances are poor, and then very poor, and rank average at best, and then poor again, this begs the question.WHAT DOES ANY MANAGER IN ANY BUSINESS (that involves motivating and organising a team) NEED TO DO (AND ACHIEVE WEEK TO WEEK) IN ORDER TO JUSTIFIABLY WANT MORE TIME to execute their plan?

So, this is the question, if you an RD fan or an RD doubter (even doubters are fans (!), what do you think, on the positive side, needs to happen for RD to get the masses behind him and believing in him.

I would say a win in the League Cup q/finals
a double win over Astra
a 5-game winning run in the league

with that in the bag, I would perhaps hope again!

equally, what will it take to see the majority of us lose patience (not to be confused with shouting and screaming at him) but LOSING hope; what would it take

is he one game away or two or there or would a WDLWDLWDL (IE inconsistency) be the killer combination.

I would be interested to hear fellow fans views on what it will take for the us all to BELIEVE and, vice versa, what it would take for us all to LOSE HOPE

I think he could be sacked, IE this nonsense about RD being un-sackable due to PL ego is a complete nonsense (this is a money business. ) and if the tills stop pinging and the turnstiles stop click click clicking, the clock on RD's tenure will definitely start ticking

Hi paradise he goes on holiday back to Norway with the international break pressure is only going to mount IMO, what formula / scenario / path would now be acceptable teams are coming to parkhead now with no fear and that in itself speaks volumes if we could see " the nucleus of a base" even scope but there is nothing when we are winning ( a have been saying for weeks now) we are doing so with a large slice of luck, fortune and no one can deny that! Atvb

I was thinking all afternoon - 'just as well we've got two games against this Astra lot'. If we lose one, or both, I doubt RD will have a job in Glasgow.

Totally agree, as I said earlier, there wasn't too much wrong at the end of last season that 2 or 3 quality signings would not have fixed. We certainly don't need all this upheaval
All this changing everything is just a cover for the club not spending some money.
It's the oldest trick in the book, for a new manager who is struggling to beat even mediocre teams like St Mirren, Motherwell and Hamilton, to blame it all on the previous manager, despite the fact the previous manager was able to beat these same teams quite easily most of the time.

05 Oct 2014 21:56:22
Sorry Guy we should not ever aspire to a 5 game winning run.
As stated before Ronny plays the wrong formation. The players have not bought into it.
If we are any where near this position come xmas we are in deep SSSSSSSShi!!!.

HH

Jamie

you are bang on with that post…it goes back to the point about progress…if there was a base…if there was a new emerging talent who could influence the outcome of games….if there was game on game improvement from more than half of the starting eleven …

if if if if if if……

there is nothing like it

you also make a very valid point about "winning" and the journey to the win…it isn't coming off the back of dominant swashbuckling performances

worrying times for our Bhoys

Rabbie

I think it will be domestic despair that will see the axe fall and not europe….

europe s a level playing field and so winning isn't always expected nor anticipated

domestic wins on the other hand….

Celtic's woes against motherwell…hamilton…dundee…inverness. maribor. legia….ARE NOT NEIL LENNON'S FAULT

for anyone to say otherwise (and thus vindicating RD) is a nonsense

05 Oct 2014 18:50:26
Just heard this was Hamilton's first win at Celtic Park since 1938, says it all about Delia, he has made our great team a laughing stock in the champions league and is doing the same in our SPFL.
He keeps talking about fitness, he has had from the summer to imrpvove this, attacking free flowing football? when is this going to happen? He is a joke manager who has turned all the jokes on Celtic. Joke defending and joke error strewn passes trying to find a team mate, this is Delia's Celtic.
Lawwell brought him in as a cheap option knowing he would not ask for a big salary or a decent transfer budget, a yes man.
Speaking of Lawwell, I have asked this question before, can you honestly see him paying big transfer fees for Tonev, Wakaso or even trying to sign Guidetti on a permanent deal, if we get ONE we will be very lucky.
But then again only Guidetti looks like a decent buy the other two along with Berget are rank.
I keep hearing Celtic fans say we will still win the title, well this tim is worried with Delia in charge we will not.
I said weeks ago that Delia is Mowbray mark 2, sadly it appears I may have been right.

Give Steve Clarke the job Deila is lost it.

05 Oct 2014 20:17:01
It's not as simple as giving someone the job. They have to want it. I am sure Steve Clark or his agent were sounded out first time around. The question is who wants it? Look at Neil Lennon. Did a job here, got CL experience and can't get a sniff of a job. Other managers will look at that and think to themselves if I take the job where do I go next? Also, if we don't pay players enough to get them to come to us instead of even Championship teams, the same will apply to managers. Lennon was a get out of jail card for the Board. He was there and available so they gave him a shot and it turned out Ok. Lawell was either very brave and forward thinking when he went for RD or else no one else they approached wanted the job. There were a few offered the job ahead of RD, Larsson being one if them. He turned it down so it's not a case that good managers are knocking down the door to get the job just as players are not crawling on hands and knees to play for us either. It's more about who could we get rather than who do we want.

Johnnymac…there would ave been a very long list of nondescript unheard of managers in leagues across the world who had/were doing wonders with unfancied clubs and working mini miracles….

we got RD

he was NOT the hottest next young thing coming out of Europe …

this is/was/remains a gamble plain and simple but now fear it was a cheap option

it would be interesting to see how Stromsgodset won that league …with what style of football. by how many points….how dominant where they game to game or were they strong at home and mince away ….

did stromsgodset win that league because of RD or in spite of RD…

I'm away to investigate

We did bring in a Championship winning European Manager, ok Norway isn't a hotbed of European Football but neither is Scotland .
Maybe the biggest mistake was the appointment of John Collins as his number 2. I understand Deila's number 2 in Norway struck one of the players who hadn't done what was wanted. Maybe some of our current squad could benefit from the same treatment .

05 Oct 2014 18:32:58
A few years back Aberdeen had a manager called Ebbe Skovdahl who was Danish. He became a kind of cult figure at the Dons because he was essentially hopeless. This guy we have now won't cut the mustard as manager of Celtic It is not going to happen. I fear he will be our Ebbe Skovdahl.

I have said it before, I never saw the need for such an overhaul.
We won the league by a street last season, and qualified for the last two çhampions league competitions. We obviously needed some quality players brought in, but I don't think it needed all this upheaval.
The bottom line seems to me that rather than spend money replacing the players that were sold, we are being asked to believe that it was the tactics that were wrong, along with the diet and fitness, and it was all the fault of the previous manager.
We have a rookie manager, because good experienced ones won't work under these financial restraints.
A club the size of Celtic should be aiming higher than a manager who although well meaning, is taking us backwards and shouldn't be trying his experiments at a club like ours
We should be able to attract a manager who is the finished article.

05 Oct 2014 17:01:59
I don't know what's worse; being sixth in the table or only managing to win half our matches, after 8 games.
It does not matter how many polls are posted about the new manager and his theories/philosophy - we are a total shambles thanks to him and Collins in charge.

Celtic Park should always be a fortress, but all of our opponents at home, this season (barring Dundee Utd) have more than matched us and that's not right.
I know Hamilton are on a great run of form, but we are struggling to beat anyone every feckin week.

The club has been allowed to deteriorate drastically in the past couple of seasons and the warning signs were there during last seasons CL, where we were found out and finally capitulated at the Camp Nou.
NL got out at the right time, but still managed to run riot in the SPL with most of the players here now.
These same players with the new signings and loans have collectively imploded under the new regime and now we are in our worst position for years.
They are clearly under performing and if it continues, it will only end in one way - and when it does I hope Lawell does the decent thing and leave as well.

He and the Board have sat back and allowed our best players to leave at huge profits; while replacing them with mediocre or unsuitable players. This policy has also been applied to managers to a certain extent and all these factors have contributed to the decline in standards and quality that is on show today.

05 Oct 2014 17:53:48
Could not agree more.Deila stands out with his arms folded for about 20 mins,Collins hiding in the dug out all game.No passion.The worst 2 full backs I have ever seen in 45 years,Stokes ffks.Takes off Guidette when he is getting no supply.Hence the boos.If this guy does not go then the league is gone

05 Oct 2014 15:29:01
I said RD was not big enough for the job. My opinion has not changed. He rambled this week about fitness and stepping up to meet Europe challenge. We had two goes at CL and failed miserably. Now we are way out of touch in league but everyone has banged on about it being a gimme. I said after 3 games we needed to get our act together and a few people shot me down. check out the table. I liked NL but like most of you, I believed he played favorites and that cost us. That said, I don't believe we would be sitting in this position now if he was still in charge. board failed NL and now that we have sold the backbone of a great team over the last two year we are seeing the results. Fair bank balance and average team. Even fortress Parkhead now holds no fears fir anyone. Can see massive humiliation if we get drawn against the undead anytime soon. where do we go now?

Ronnie does things to the extremes. He rants on about diets and fitness, keeps the same team that played on Thursday apart from Guidetti for Tonev.
Maybe less provocative talk about diet and maybe just one or two more changes and a wee switch in formation
Might have helped .

05 Oct 2014 16:20:34
For me it's glaringly obvious
I hate to say it but I really wish this guy would just go , he banged on snout high paced attacking free glowing football , yet what do we get ,our players afraid to take the last man on and whip in crosses like a winger should be doing , just on today's game always get to about 18 yrd line and cut jnside , wee cute passes then break s down , he takes off the big hustle and bustle striker ( guidetti) whom got no service again ,yhtn we start putting crosses in and feckin miss every chance that comes along , great decision making again from the coaches not , getting sick and tired off this crap , feel almost violated fir parting with my cash for 3 season tickets , obv will be there every week but it's soul destroying to watch this at the moment folks

05 Oct 2014 15:22:32
Time for Peter Lawwell to go - n he can take Ronny Deila wi him, enough is enough. The demise of R*ngers should've been the dawning of a new era for Celtic Football Club.

They were deducted 15 pts in the league in their final season granting us the title, then Sevco were founded n started at the bottom tier of professional football in Scotland. That wis basically 4 guaranteed pops at UCL football, or the other way to look at it, £60m plus.

2012-13: UCL last 16, great start; 2013-14: Group Stage, but we were humiliated; this season: we fluffed two attempts at making it through qualification. At this rate we'll be lucky to win the league.

Instead of increasing the gap between us n the rest of Scotland, he's got away wi downgrading not only the playing squad, but also the management team to a point we're unable to dominate teams domestically.

He's made himself a quick buck through buying cheap, selling at a price n buying even cheaper to the point we're loaning players wi an option to buy.

Lawwell has the final say so on whit players come n go, Lawwell had the say on who we appointed as Neil Lennon's replacement. There's no chance of the board sacking Deila cause that'd mean paying a severance package.

We've went fi a UEFA Cup Final under Martin O'Neill, to UCL last 16 under both Gordon Strachan n Neil Lennon - albeit on either side of Tony Mowbray, to this pish in 11 yrs.

Honestly can't remember a worse start to a league campaign by Celtic in my lifetime?!

Definitely. Lawell out. Said on a thread last week, the inefficient running of our club -failures to make steps forward, lack of reinvestment, lack of ambition, lack of foresight - it's all been brushed under the rug lately, and PL will be delighted. Forget RD, forget any manager, the players being sold and brought in just don't match up. "Every penny will be reinvested" my arse.

Getting rid of the MD will not make any difference as its the major shareholder who pulls all the strings. If we change the manager and get it right there is still time to turn things around but we need to act fast. If Ronnie is still around by the next league match then its clear the board will not sack him!

I think if we sack the manager now, we will find it very difficult to get anyone to take his place . Prospective managers will be put off by the lack of funds available to them to get new players in I worry that our existing squad will feel they have beaten Deila and Collins and will take even more leeway with the new man .

I want to see Delia succeed, but beginning to think he is not going to get chance to turn things around.

If by end of November he is found to be out his depth, then who next? Cause remember Delia wasnt exactly first choice as replacement for Lennon. In fact the thought is frightening!

Said several times in the past, celtic needs a total shakedown from ownership to strenghting squad.

Desmond has to go followed by lawwell. Only way things are going to improve.

We only have ourselves to blame for putting up with this carry on for so long. They are getting away with murder

05 Oct 2014 17:42:54
Hail Hail, DN30, totally agree

05 Oct 2014 17:50:06
DN30 you are so right. Issue is Desmond don't do walking away. Neither will Lawell. They will change the manager if we are still mid table by Christmas. There will be no change to the investment policy as there is no money in the SPL. It is what it is. I can't see how we get a change at the top, therefore I just want to see a product on the park and right now we are not seeing that.

It's all good saying give Deila time, but I believe the managers job is too big for him. He has a great philosophy n vision, would make a cracking coach (possibly fitness coach) but has little to no tactical knowledge.

Taking Guidetti off n leaving Stokes on had me scratching my head watching that! Then telling VVD to bomb forward when we've got an unused sub n £2.3m striker on the bench?!

Stokes n Ambrose seem invincible, no matter how poor they play they won't get dropped based on the last 17 games.

Hamiltonbhoy I can't see him here much longer. I've gave him benefit of doubt cause of what he done at stromsgedt, but hamilton at home should of been a win. No excuses.

Fault lies with board here. If they had no intention of spending anything of significance, they should of paid going rate and got a manager who has prior success operating this way.

The only reason Scepovic was signed was reluctantly to avoid a bigger uproar by supporters and I am beginning to think he is not all he is cracked up to be

DN, Secepovic wasn't even Deila's signing! Same problem Lennon had! Same problem a few clubs have had with regards to transfers/directors of football. What John Park says goes. And that's because John Park pin points players based on the boards budget, which, is all about making a profit in the bank, not on the pitch. And most of them don't make a profit in the bank! Utter joke the way things are being run. I hope everybody's frustration soon diverts away from RD, but towards the people above him. RD has only been here a few months, the problems for me have been going on just a wee while longer.

JimTim sorry I wasnt meaning anything about who signed Scepovic, just that I think its bizzare how he is not getting a game.

I don't think RD will last season, which is a shame cause he has had no backing financially apart from scepovic. For me it's beginning to look like he has been brought in as a scapegoat to deflect attention away from true state of finances.

Im sick of desmond and lawwell antics! They have got to go

Desmond will depart from Celtic if someone gives him a good price for his shares and can demonstrate to D D that he has the financial clout and williness to push on Celtic .
We find it difficult to get the manager we want, and to entice the players .
I think it would be well nigh impossible to get someone to take over DD shareholding .

DN I know you weren't mate I was just making an additional point.

05 Oct 2014 14:58:48
Raging! I'm not one to be calling for a change in personnel but its time RD gets shown the door only 2 decent games this season and the rest an embarrassment to watch Izzy needs some time on the bench as his crossing has been atrocious as of late. Thought the team played a lot better when Griffiths came on he should get more game time as Stokes showed today he ain't good enough to start as he doesn't know where the goal is! Dreading going work tomorrow now for the sheer amount of stick due

Same here, I was handing it out to the Newco fans last week so will have to take some on the chin this week!

05 Oct 2014 14:54:08
Cue lots of manager out now posts

05 Oct 2014 15:01:18
Pulse, do you expect anything else this has gone on long enough. No fight No nothing, a complete shambles. Hail Hail

Change takes time
it's new tactics, new management team, new training routines.

I will give the manager until the end of the season, they have to be given time

05 Oct 2014 15:34:50
We look no better now than we did when we played Warsaw. We are 9 weeks on from then and the side still look lost. When is RD going to produce this free glowing attacking football? Can understand this if we are playing against CL sides but this is Hamilton( with all respect )and we are at home! They last beat us in 1938! We had chances so we should have scored but we have very little going forward that is going to worry most teams. Lots of possession but we have no penetration. Now 6th in league (with a game in hand). Another couple of results like this between now and Christmas and we are going to need to put an unbeaten run together from January to win the league. I don't care what flack I take on this post, it us not working under RD and IMO it won't work. There is absolutely no sign of improvement what so ever. RD has got 6 new players in this season, that is half a team. He had got his 2 strikers, he has his quick players in Wakaso and Tonev, he has a centre back pairing, he has a decent keeper. Wait for the interview, he will say yet again that we looked tired? Surly we are fitter than Hamilton? Also look at the crowds. Less supporters turning out every week? Simply not acceptable. Enough said.

05 Oct 2014 14:46:04
It doesn't matter if you do or don't buy into Ronny's visions. He won't have the time to implement them anyway if he doesn't realise that this is a job like no other. He is going to have to juggle getting results with implementing his plans or he will be doing it somewhere else very soon. I can't help but wondering if CG hadn't played like he did in the 2 qualifiers and we were sitting on 0 points what position would be regarding the fans now. Come on Ronny I want you to do well!

05 Oct 2014 07:13:41
Is there sections of the support (and press) willing Ronny Deila to fail just to prove their point?

1. Prove what point?
2. Why would any Celtic fan want Celtic to fail?
3. Just why, why, why?

Seriously though if you did want any Manager or player at the Club to fail because you think it gives your opinion some kinda credibility - you need to chuck it, games up!

05 Oct 2014 08:53:07
I actually think there is certain fans who want him to fail mrs e. Not on here but in general if a manager just isn't liked I think some people would happily sacrifice results to get rid of a manager

If there people out there with those views then they aren't celtic supporters. I mean the word speaks for itself 'support' I remember how many debates I used to have with people who claimed wee GS was a terrible manager and shouldn't be at Celtic. I wonder if they still think that? Markiebhoy

I just can't accept this guys

If a Manager is poor then the results will show this same if he's decent.

We don't have to 'hope' for poor results.

I get if a Manager gets poor results after poor results and he's still in the job - maybe Pardrew? but not this, utterly ridiculous.

Your respected Managers get it wrong at times so if a Fan thinks they are going to go through life and not form an opinion that could turn out to be wrong, they are on cloud cuckoo land.

05 Oct 2014 09:52:59
I don't think anyone dislikes RD. What is there to dislike? He seems a genuine guy trying his best for the club. Good luck to him. The jury is out on whether he can make his system work? That is different from disliking him. He has made some poor decisions in the past so let's hope he learns from them. I have criticised him but I want him to succeed because then the club succeeds. The important thing for Celtic is the club doing well on and off the field. I don't care who the manager is as long as he is making Celtic great. So RD go and do that.

05 Oct 2014 10:14:27
Only reason I said a think people would want bad results is last season I read a few Manchester United fans actually saying I hope we keep getting beat so david moyes gets sacked lol. Couldn't believe it so wouldn't suprise me anymore if a small minority thought the same with deila but I really hope it's not the case

I don't want the guy to fail or dislike him, there's nothing to dislike, I like the way he talks I even get the vision he has, but i'm just not enjoying watching us play football this season, I've seen a couple of fleeting moments but the consistency isn't there. If it comes then good but I just can't see it happening. I truly hope in wrong but in not feeling it

I genuinely want Ronny to succeed, I could never hope my team got beat, and I have never wanted any manager at Celtic to be sacked.
That doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on whether the manager is doing the right thing. That is what these pages are for.
I don't claim my views are right, I only base them on what I have watched at Celtic over the years.
There is no way I would ever want Celtic to fail, and I could never be so arrogant as to think my opinions are so special that the manager should be sacked just to prove them right
I don't think any supporter who wants their team to lose, is really a true fan, what if you don't like the next manager?

He has to go, get Malky McKay asap or our season is nearly over. That was as poor a performance as I have seen a Celtic team produce, utter rubbish. Hail Hail

If Maky McKay gets the job the press would have a field day, he should never hold a position in football again after his pitiful comments. Paul Hartley or Jackie Mac would be my choices!