Celtic Banter Archive October 05 2013

 

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05 Oct 2013 16:04:01
RIFC are clearly neither a football club nor a company but surely a CLUMPANY?

Complying with neither club nor company usual norms.

The financial precarious neigh perilous status of New Rangers surely begs the no brainier; Sally must go. Clearly never value for money.

That special relationship between manager and fans, already much strained, has now surely been irreversibly torn. Nobody can stomach the spiv cash grab but the lies just inevitably mean divorce.

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He said during the RFC admin, when players were released, when players had their salaries slashed to a fraction, D&P never asked him to cut his salary.
That he went to D&P with a voluntary cut and they said thanks for that.

Unbelievable.

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Sally must stay he's Scotland's No. 1 joker.

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05 Oct 2013 13:11:16
Another pack of lies spouted by The Fat Controller over at the Lance Armstrong Arena in yesterday's E.T.

"I've never been asked to take a wage cut. In fact, the first time I was asked about it was when one of you boys asked whether I was worried about the accounts."

He then goes onto say in the same article,

"I was then asked if I would be willing to take a wage cut and I said absolutely. And that's where we are."

The whole spin-piece can be read here, www.goo.gl/5JTbO2

It also doesn't mention anything about the money he will make from his 1p shares himself, and his players got as their bonus for winning the lowest tier of Scottish football last year

Che Connolly.

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The laptop Loyal are claiming its near 50% drop in wages . Believe that if you will . Sneaky will still be taking £500,000 at least a year for winning the Pawnbrokers double . He still finishes every sentence with " the fans " this and "the fans " that . Gives me the creeps . DH

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Imagine if he owned a nag or three at greens chateau Normandy and has a suite for life? Rumour he was well in with D&P and could have known his Pal Whyte introduced Green to them. Whyte/ Green gave him his ridiculous wages.
Sally McCostly, Spiv, tripping over his own fibs since SDM.

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McCoist’s earnings could be considered perverse merely in the context of the club’s economic devastation over the past three years, but, from a purely footballing angle, it is an irresponsible reward for someone with no managerial experience operating in the fourth tier of Scottish football. His wages are nearly two-and-a-half times the £350,000 paid to Alex McLeish by the then owner, David Murray, in 2001. It was only when McLeish won the treble in 2003, at the end of his first full season, that he received an appropriate increase.

The present manager’s income becomes absurd when it is set beside the club’s total annual turnover of £19m. To lend that ratio some kind of perspective, Manchester United would have to pay their new manager, David Moyes, almost £16m per annum. United’s recently declared record revenue of £365m means that they require a mere 19 days to match Rangers’ yearly “take”.

Despite the hair-raising anomaly, McCoist and Stockbridge have attracted plaudits from some for agreeing, respectively, to take a wage cut and waive directorial bonuses that were already scandalous. It is rather like praising someone for not robbing a bank.

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What was Walter Smith on as chairman? Bet he wishes he just stayed now and didn't listen to P Murray crap as Murray simply wanted Walter's job and would take it tomorrow.

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So glad Billy Liar is contributing to the Newco demise and the follow-follow fools still lap up every lie he spins.

JJ

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>>>>>>>>McCoist's earnings could be considered perverse merely in the context of the club's economic devastation over the past three years

The club's economic devastation? I thought it was the company that ran the club that had economic devastation and not the club itself? Is this the same club that is still being hounded by HMRC? Ah no, that was the company we are told. So why is the "club's" finances being mentioned here? Can the club HAVE finances? This is all very confusing .

>>>>>>>>His wages are nearly two-and-a-half times the £350,000 paid to Alex McLeish by the then owner, David Murray.

By the "then owner" David Murray? Owner of what? David Murray owned Rangers but a very different one. The one he owned eventually went out of business. Is the author of this article suggesting an unbroken link from the current club back to the club that David Murray owned? If so, could HMRC go after the current group of directors? Of course not and we all know why.

I have to admit the shambles that is happening at Ibrox right now is laughable. It is totally befitting for a group of people who allowed their club to go bust, then start a new club and claim it was the old club whilst giving two fingers up to every creditor. Charles Green said "we transferred t'history" and all the bears went rushing out to buy shares in a brand new shiny company called RIFC.

And now they are watching the spivs bleed them dry and from a moment of euphoria when they watched 276 creditors go bust because it didn't matter because all they cared about was transferring t'history (sic) to a moment of anger when they themselves are the victims of losing out. Karma and all that.

The serious side to this is that we have reporters in the media who are paralysed into false reporting, not always deliberately but often out of appeasement (club separate from company and all that), who simply trip themselves up time and time again.

Rangers FC, founded in 1872, incorporated in 1899, went into liquidation in 2012. That's it.

The current shambles has nothing at all to do with David Murray or the then Rangers at that time.

Reporters should, before writing articles about others, analyse their own work and ask if they are telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

I guess that the Jim Spence incident has left many reporters asking themselves if it's worth it and to an extent I can understand why but if it was me, if I was a journalist and I had to alter my writing "style" out of appeasement then I would simply go and look for another job.

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Journos shouldn't be appeasing New Rangers fans there should be zero fear. The risk to individual is actually low. UEFA officially is having none of it.

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Here Bhoys Celtic wer playing the day does that not interest use more than what's happening over at Mordor. Don't get me wrong a like hearing the tales from over there maybe not when we are playing. {Ed007's Note - So the fact that you are talking about them as well just goes straight over your head.}

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Must go straight over ma head then, to point out on match day ad rather talk about celtic, if that's wrong then am wrong {Ed007's Note - But you're not talking about Celtic, are you? You're talking about exactly what you are moaning about other people talking about.}

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I think what the editor is trying to say Monks is that you are still talking about RIFC, even though you are telling people not to, it's called being ironic. I understand where you're coming from though, and I haven't come on here to tread on anyone's toes. I only found this site through the editor on tw@tter and it now being listed on the Celtic Network site.

Peace out, brother.

Che Connolly.

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10. Ditto

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05 Oct 2013 12:39:32
How do I get my hands on the Celtic top the one with our founding father on it seen on the sightings page . someone must make it .it would be a belter to the collection even if it was for charity . geo

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Have spoke with quite afew people that have said the same it's a cracker

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Was me that posted it geo, sorry to tell you i'm sure it's a made up one bud. bhoywonder

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It's a good time for a seller to design one for the Celtic Shops. Wid be a seller. Good win today. Hail hail. Love the banter tonight.

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05 Oct 2013 12:38:01
I was just reading about the Celtic team in Carlisle.
There is actually another, much older side - Cleator Moor Celtic - in Cumbria.
They were founded in 1909 by Irish immigrants who worked in the local iron ore mining industry.
They're a very tidy club, playing in non-League football, and have put through a lot of players in to league football.
They play in Celtic colours, home and away, got the clover badge, the works.
Still hold true to the original traditions.

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04 Oct 2013 23:55:36
First post since the Barca game and I am amazed at some of the vitriol aimed at Broony from some supporters.

Firstly he had to go.He aimed a sneaky tap, and that's all it was a tap, but with the Ref being right next to him he paid the penalty.It was silly and unprofessional and you would hope lessons have been learned.I also don't go with the theory that he done us out of a draw.Yes we were coming onto the game for a spell, but this is a top class side who had passed round and through us all night.Can anyone say with any certainty that they would not have scored had he got away with the sending off? I doubt it.

The other thing is his contribution first half when we were getting a pasting, possession wise, has been forgotten.During this period he worked his ass off shutting down players and keeping our midfield tight and in line.Until his mistake I had him as one of our stand out players, such a shame he let it go for a second.

Realistically did we expect any thing from these two games? I for one did not.I have always thought the Ajax games and Milan at home were the key to progressing or dropping into the Europa league.Three games.Two wins and a draw would probably see us into the Europa I think.This is far from a given but it is possible. But let's keep things in perspective here.We are a huge club playing in a MINOR European league, that sadly is a fact.

So, let's get right behind the team and see where and when our European involvement ends.The landscape of Scottish football has changed dramatically.At this moment, and for the next five years at least, we need to play a clever financial game.European football, in any form, creates wealth and gives fans something to look forward to.Having said that I will be very critical if we don't turn up v Murderwell. It's time to start burying teams like this.This gives the opportunity to give game time to squad players and rest the big hitters.Time to step up and dominate these teams.

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As usual gj. you let everyone say what they think. and then you come on and sum it up. well done. H.

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GJ I read your word and take it as gospel always. You do speak utter sense. Iam known on here as a bit of?,
But could never argue with any of your posts. I believe you are like myself only with better wording. If Ed ever holds journal of the year on this page, youd win hands down every time and defo get my vote, I love reading your post/coments, ., .kbarry {Ed007's Note - That is the type of thing we are working on KB, posters will be able to earn 'badges' etc as a bit of fun and hopefully some prizes.}

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Totally agree, remember I used to sit in front of a guy who just slagged the team off for 90 mins. Some supporters really need a reality check, Milan & barca are top European clubs, with 100s millions in talent, and we were not embarrassed.
would love to know what top teams these people have managed with some of the rediculous posts I've read re: brown, Lennon etc. johnsey

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05 Oct 2013 10:37:50
Totally agree GJ spot on with everything you said, summed up perfectly, I can't believe the stick Brown is getting you would think he had murdered someone the way some are going on. Some people don't seem to take into account the standard of opposition when trying to sum up a game, in their eyes whether its Brechin or Barca if we win we're world beaters if we lose we're s***. Well done again on your post. Stevie

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Got it in one GJ!

Everybody loves it when Broony clatters into an opposition player (fairly or unfairly), gets huge cheers when he squares up to someone or just gets up and walks away leaving them wingeing to the ref. Celtics poorest results over the last couple of seasons have been when he was injured.

Foxy

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IMO Brown has not been slated enough. His crass stupidity (not an isolated incident on his part) needs to stop. Attempts to excuse this behaviour will not help. As for moving on, this personic act has put him out of the two games we always looked on as a realistic chance of 6 points. We need a real leader as a team captain, not a pretend hardman. When we mix it with the top clubs we are already disadvantaged, we don`t need self inflicted handycaps on top.

chasaboy

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I normally agree with you GJ but I think you're wrong on this. I think you're a bit of an apologist there. I think lennon's double substitutions cost us draws. I think you and others know it as well but you think for the greater good don't criticize Lenny.

The truth is we play worse after his substitutions and lose goals every time. EVERY TIME!

My only hope is that the message gets through and he starts getting it right from now on. In which case two wins and a draw would have you crowing. But there's no chance of such results unless he changes his flawed substitutions performance.

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@chasaboy: I agree the incident was not isolated but what do you get if you remove the fire from his belly? Some players have this edge to them, remember our greatest ever player had it, and if they lose it we lose a big percentage of their game.

On your leader point, can you honestly say Brown has not developed into this? For the last couple of seasons he has been instrumental in everything good Celtic have done.He made a mistake that's all.Silly, stupid, call it what you will, but it was a mistake

@7: I can't understand why you bring the Lennon argument into this as I never mentioned him.As it happens I think the substitutions were a bit erratic.If it was me I would have swapped Lustig and Matthews over.At the time I said to my mate that I thought Neymar might be getting taken off as he was slipping out of the game.

As for not criticizing Lenny, sorry but I have given him flak on here before.Maybe he is just driven to try and win games and make positive substitutions? Maybe he needs to step back and be a bit more calculating? Look back to Utrecht and Braga, do you not see progression there? I do and that's all, as a Celtic fan, I look for when we are punching above our weight in Europe.

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Agreed GJ, it's good times being a bhoy am sure every 1 of us would have liked results against Barca and Milan but it wasnt to be . Some people just like to moan for the sake of moaning. The best ones are the ones who come on and criticise all the time about everything then turn around and say "I agree with everything you say GJ" lol.
@7 is that a fact everytime lennons made a double sub we've fell apart?

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The whole Brown/Neymar situation has been totally blown out of proportion. It was a yellow card for the foul, then undoubtedly a red card for the kick which came later. Not sure how Lennon can say it wasn't a red card to be honest. I could see in live play that he had kicked him quite clearly. Brown knew as well, hence why he was the only CFC player who wasn't shocked when the red came out.

However, some CFC fans have overreacted massively. Brown made a mistake in the process of trying to ruffle Neymar up a bit. That's it. Yes it was a costly mistake and yes he let his teammates down, but it was just a mistake that he has since held his hands up for. I'm a Gers fan but watch as much football as possible as I'm studying for my badges to be a coach, and I watch a lot of Celtic as well. Brown for me has really matured and turned into a very good player.

The odd mistake is bound to happen in life. Time to move on I'd say.


Steven!

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GJ @8) I'm the guy at 7) thanks for your response. It was this I disagreed with "Realistically did we expect any thing from these two games? I for one did not"
I expected more. We were second in group last year into last 16. We beat Barca with messi. Was a draw impossible for us with no messi? Milan had several top players missing, that was our chance, they will be back stronger at parkhead.

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We're bottom of the group on zero points having given our competitors six points. I'd rather be sitting needing a win and a draw from three than two wins and a draw. Which seems improbable from a team that has lost two from two.
Lenny really needs to get his act together in CL.
As a postscript, getting blown out league cup to Morton and blowing another fifty year record was incompetence. We're turning over £75m ffs that's more than rest of Scottish premiership combined probably. The financial excuses used for failure in CL just rebound on any domestic failure argument.

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Compared to last season we are in real danger of going out of Europe all together after only 2 games played.
We all knew this group would be hard but AC and Barca were well below what I expected with AC significantly under strength and we took the game to them in the San Siro which was immense and we were unfortunate but for poor finishing and final pass.
We then gave Messi-less Barca far too much respect and stood back and surrendered possession far too cheaply and an 80-20 split is the worst I think I can remember in any European game at Celtic Park in over 40 years. But we kept them at bay as was the managers plan for over an hour and they had less goal attempts than in any recent meetings.
However we have now put all the pressure on ourselves to win both Ajax games and hope for results to go our way with Milan to follow?
Our lack of fire power is a problem as when strikers don't score we are not mucking in with midfield goals - or more importantly - set-pieces, which are invaluable in CL football.
I look forward to the Dutch double header with anticipation and hope.

JJ

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JJ was it not the worst percentage ratio in champ league history when we best them last year.
Making the group stages of champ league for a Scottish club is a success in its own right anything further is a bonus

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GJ I totally agree Scott Brown has improved as a player, but as for the "fire in the belly", this aggression needs to be channelled and I honestly don`t think he has matured. Still too much of the plastic gangster for me and condoning it will not make him improve. Even if it is in private, Lennon needs to take him aside and tell him to cut it out. He`s no good in the stand!

chasaboy

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05 Oct 2013 22:46:29
When did Broony last have a stint in the stand? give the man a break ffs, he got sent off, hardly a rare occurrence in the modern game! By the way anyone watching Barca dismantle their opposition tonight in La Liga as they've been doing all season? . Stevie

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.Can anyone say with any certainty that they would not have scored had he got away with the sending off? I doubt it.
However, it dashed everyone's hopes and dreams of a point in the last half hour. I was gutted when he did that. However, again, Broony is a brilliant Celtic Player. I will forgive him, and hope he helps us get through.
Hail Hail!

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