Celtic Banter Archive November 05 2015

 

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05 Nov 2015 23:18:30
Sick to the stomach with these performances in europe.
1. ronny needs to pick his own staff
2. if it still doesn't work, get DiCanio. don't think he'll be a yes man ans maybe install some pride and mentalness into the team ;)

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06 Nov 2015 08:51:32
Time and time again RD makes basic tactical errors and awful substitutions that cost us points. All for a change but wouldn't have DiCanio anywhere near CP.

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06 Nov 2015 09:08:03
Could tell you a story ir two about Paulo and the way he treated staff at SAFC. Not what any club needs.

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06 Nov 2015 09:51:37
Agree Jim! Loved the guy as a player but wouldn't touch him with a barge pole! Last thing we need! Is there anyone on here who actually thinks RD should stay, and can say honestly that they trust him with another crack at Europe next season? Just a question to see what people think. my opinion hasn't changed from last nite. not even angry anymore! Just totally disillusioned with where our club is right now! Think it would be best for both club and Ronnie if he went, along with Collins and Kennedy! Can only see more nites like last nite ahead if they stay! If u actually look at his European record its woeful! And that's without us even kicking a ball in the CL proper! And we'll struggle to attract any player of even a half decent standard if this decline continues! Ronnie cannot say he's not had enough chances either, because he's had more than enough!

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06 Nov 2015 12:42:45
Agree Dh88. Time for a change but who can we attract?
I am more embarrassed that angry. was watching Bayern v Arsenal the night before, oh how lucky we are that we didn't get into CL!

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06 Nov 2015 13:30:41
Doesn't really matter Dh, any manager would be hamstrung by the policies of the club. It's a constant rebuilding job. I'd like Ronnie to stay, like NL before him, with a fair crack of the whip. But it won't happen. People can call for a new manager all they like, we'll see similar patterns with the way we're run. The club needs a shake up and to wake up. Operate like a CL club at every level do we Peter? Don't make me laugh.

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06 Nov 2015 14:36:21
Again aye agree Jim! Well apart from wanting RD to stay! Lol. yeh I get that Lawell and the rest Havnt backed the last few mangers we've had and acted like the CL club we're supposed to be! And I've said for long enough now it's changer from top to bottom we need! And that includes Lawell! My problem is mate that the way we're being beat by mediocre teams is utterly embarrassing! And that's got nothing to do with how much we spend on players! Molde Malmo Warsaw Maribor Zagreb Salzburg. all these teams have been more organised than us, and at times passed us off the park! All of these won't have the wage bill we have or budget! So for me it's RD who is clueless when it comes to simple tactics and organisation! Ask urself this mate, if before the Malmo game we swapped mangers and RD managed Malmo and hariede managed us who would have went through? U and I both know the answer to that! And it's not because hariede is the worlds best manager! It's because he knows how to set up his team and use players in proper positions! And If sum things going wrong during the game then change it! Something Ronnie cannot do! Looking at that 2nd half last nite tells me the players ain't playing for this guy anymore! Molde were quicker hungrier and smarter than us last nite! Not to mention fitter! And this is a team at the end of there season who u would think would be gubbed!

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06 Nov 2015 15:27:04
It is poor to watch. I'm not blind ignorant. On paper, said after the summer, we lack a quality striker, experienced CBs and pace and width in midfield. RD has to change things aye but he's really got his hands tied.

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06 Nov 2015 15:49:51
Dh88 Salzburg will probably have a bigger budget than ronny has you just need to look at the other red bull team in Germany to see that red bull invest money in the teams they take over and it would surprise you the wages Warsaw and Zagreb pay am guessing at least Zagreb have more players on 35 to 45 grand than we do I would like ronny to stay with his own people in at every level and with the freedom to sign and sell the players he wants to

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06 Nov 2015 18:25:00
Going to try to get Di Canio would really be cutting off your nose to spite your face .
I honesty think that despite the horlicks Deila has made of it so far, he is probably the best to get us out of this cess pit and back playing fairly well in Europe . We have a group of young players and a young manager, let them mature together .

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05 Nov 2015 22:52:15
A just wish a could see celtic through ma five year old bhoys eyes we got gubbed over 2 games against a norwegian team we should have hammered and when i toldhim we got beat tonight he says dad celtic are still the best all my anger n frustration goes to lawell Give us a team that should gub these weaker teams please its the least we deserve its not a cheap sport to follow we dig deep peter why don't you!

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05 Nov 2015 22:19:02
So this is my take folks .

i think i just watched a re-run of a match a fortnight ago. The opponent let us have the ball, knew we would retain easy possession. but also knew that there were 6 candidates in hooped jerseys who would eventually make an abysmal pass. they would then attack with pace and make us look exposed. this was a REPEAT. of what we witnessed previously.

The shambles that is our defence repeats mistakes nowadays as a matter of course. The midfield repeatedly misplace passes and at one point tonight boyata made a hopeless pass only to get out of jail by getting the ball back . only to to then give the ball away again as a result of passing the ball in to traffic

Celtic players don't mean to go out and lose but this is what really shocked me

what members of the defence are prepared to go in where it hurts and put their body on the line for their teammates and the club? Firsst goal, good strike but Boyata doesn't attack the danger and turns away from the shot with no real desire to get in front of the ball

goal 2 and 2 decent opportunities to win the ball . Rogic first (but fails) and the Boyata at the opposite post . again no strength or desire to win the 2nd ball. the molde player wanted to score more than Boyata wanted to avert a goal. big worry

Folks, MOLDE FK could have had 5.the second half was dominated by a decent team who CAN pass, and have super pitch intelligence. They knew where to press and when to press and when to come forward in numbers.

We were predictable, one paced and second to too many balls; was there a decent tackle all night or a point where a player rallied the troops?

This was not a form thing. Tonight was not an economic mis-match. They were put together for a budget (4m euros) that we recently spent on a centre half who has played 3 games in 10. So this wasn't about money AND THAT IS THE GREATEST AFFRONT. That is the biggest worry.

Tactically, they came with the same plan and we didn't even attempt to counter the plan they had for us. What was our plan for them? We failed in the same areas we failed in a fortnight ago. We basically watched a re-run of a horror show.

Now RD will probably roll out with "we had good possession" blahblahbah . but we are now looking at a horrible set of stats

malmo 2goal giveaway
maribor home bore and a loss
fenerbahce 2 0 lead handed back
a resounding 5-2 loss to molde
2 leads thrown away to ajax
a crushing away defeat to a dinamo zagreb side that is the poorest of its class in 20 years
a royal pumping from legia warsaw

No amount of PR spin can alter the simple fact of the matter that we are very poor. With the exception of the turks above, money wasn't a handicap. This is more about management, set-ups, tactics, closing games down, good possession, good field intelligence, desire, hunger, heart, organisation, developing, progress et al.

Losing is bad enough but losing and going down with a whimper is insulting. Losing happens but when you lose and you endure a lacklustre performance it's a worry, but more alarmingly we are seeing the same mistakes week after week after week after week after week. Does that not concern anyone here?

If Celtic are progressing I am happy. Even routine blips (results wise) doesn't bother me if i am witnessing week on week month on month improvement and progress. My issue is that I watching the same mistakes week to week and gaping deficiencies going unchecked. Where is the redress?

The Scott Allan signing was a cheap stunt. The RD rant that attacked the press and Rangers (why? ) , and scottish football more generally was a deflection tactic. It was designed to make us think that the aggregate of the above noted agendas is clouding our judgement as fans.

I have no reason to dislike RD. But for the avoidance of doubt, I do not rate him. I have no agenda against RD, but I expect any manager/coach of celtic to improve his squad and get the very best out of them whether that be development, temperament, tactical noose, hunger, desire et al.

RD is NOT progressing the standard of first team play and I would not trust him in the 2015/2016 european campaign.

I know he doesn't necessarily get to sign who he wants but I assume he gets ti train, develop and pick the team and establish a style of play (and tactics) to thwart the advances of any opponent (or where we play superior opponents, the ability to suppress their qualities)

That being the case, he needs to be held personally accountable for a series of european debacles.

There is better out there who can get more from this team and drive a better european co-efficient without the need for any more money; I'm convinced by that now.

I hope we do turn it on against Ross County but should it be "a get out if jail free card" for the current management regime, NO!

I will leave PL and Mr Park for later but tonight needs to belong to RD solely and squarely

You'll disagree Old Bhoy I'm sure.

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05 Nov 2015 22:41:41
Agree with every word of that paradise!

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05 Nov 2015 22:49:44
Paradise Ronnie has signed 19 players. I don't believe he has not been part of the selection process. This is 19 not 5 or 6. We know he went after Berget ax he played for him before. I am sure he is more involved than some people want to admit to. Either way he ain't going to make it. Have said it since last season he has to go.

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05 Nov 2015 22:57:40
I agree with everything you have written, Paradise, I mean I can't disagree with any of it, apart from the Scot Allan part, I realy rate him as a player, and if fit he should be in the team, there is a lot of whitewash and camouflage blaming lawwell and parks, but the only man to blame is Ronnie, you and others might blame LAWWELL for signing on the cheap, I have no idea how much he cost, but you just need to look on these pages and at the editors to see in a short space of time who became Ronnie diehards, they were mesmerised ito his way of thinking, they were following his dream, but footballs not like a jack black motivational lecture thing and he finishes and tells yo to go back and change your life but remember to come back next week with your chegue, ffootball is you have to perform every time you go onto the field, but the thing is I'm all mixed up now, but I think Ronnie is aswell, he has'nt a clue how to improve the team now, I have to admit Ronnie has to go, but I don't blame Lawwell for giving him a chance, I think he should be applauded, its a pity we did'nt get Paul Le Guen, at the time insread of Rangers, Paul L e Gue was very hard done by those idiots for trying to bring Ibrox into the modern world, but at least he had a proven history at top level football, Ronnie was our PLG, he had some of his modernising skills but not his management skills.

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05 Nov 2015 23:21:03
Agree with the lot Paradise;
I have supported Celtic for over 50 yrs and have seen a lot of rough with the smooth and have been blessed with the sublime to which all Celtic teams and managers should strive to emulate.
We have a board who run a business with many perks but who care not a jot for the support or the football principles and philosophy that were instilled with our foundation.
We have cut so many corners and economised on quality and standards so much we have went alarmingly backward in terms of reputation, expectation and Acceptability.

I have given RD the benefit of the doubt for long enough, but he has all-but destroyed our European ambition and we have deteriorated drastically under his reign.
The promises and philosophy appears to be nothing more than the patter of a snake oil salesman; with no sign of the high tempo, slick footballing team with superior fitness!

I think virtually any manager could win the title with the resources and facilities at our disposal in the situation we are in these past few years and if that is what this board see as success then we need to give them a wee hint that we are as mad as hell and we're not going to take it any more - to coin a phrase.

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05 Nov 2015 23:45:23
I have no axe to grind with RD; I don't know the man…

but managers need to be judged on performance and progress. The benchmark is often results, but the real clue is in the performances because results can tell a story that isn't quite accurate

RD's playground is not the SPL…. it is champions league qualification and/or europa league competitiveness

There are teams in the champions league who spend less than we do and are able to put on a performance and compete

we used to expect to qualify for the ECL and push for the last 16

then we were happy just to get in to the ECL groups for exposure (with no hope for last 16)

then we were just happy to make it to the final qualifying game to enter the ECL because it guaranteed european football to christmas (through the Europa League)

then we expected to qualify from the second tier europa league

now we are propping up that 2nd tier league with 2 points from a possible 12 …2 from 12 folks with the benefit of having played the "group whipping boys" twice

unfortunately we didn't see the weakest link trouncing us home and away

just how far are we prepared to drop

more importantly, what do we need to do to reverse this pitiful trend that could see us failing to get through to the 2nd round of qualifiers for the Champions League never mind the final qualifier

this could see us playing in a play off to get in to the 2nd tier competition

what will become of us when we don't make that competition

progress?

progress my backside

and to make matters worse, a squad that doesn't know if it is coming or going with players who performed in the past suffering from a crisis in confidence

we have had the commons debacle
the ciftci selection head scratcher
the awol scott allan
izzy's relegation and re-introduction and relegation again
ambrose's countless bombscare moments
a 1st pick centre half (boyata) that looks bewildered and plays every week as though it is the first time he has kicked a ball
a hapless goalie who looks less sure of himself than ever before (on a new contract)
a stop-start forrest
an awol GMS
an ineffective armstrong played out of position and becoming progressively worse and less relevant

thank the lord for young kierney …but does that not really say it all?

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05 Nov 2015 23:49:50
JJ

very well put sir!

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05 Nov 2015 23:51:30
Paradise won or two I don't really care, we were stiffed tonight, the defence is absolutely shocking and I for one worry about young Tierney, playing in a defence like that, he is a smashing young player and I just think his confidence could be affected playing I'm a defence like that . Now I'm fed up coming on here and reading all your shit, more than half of you come on here and want to write war and peace, and the other half want revolutions, this is supposed to be a banter . Page . ffs I've not seen any banter on here for months Jesus Christ, I am retired, but some of you guys on here need a serious look at yourself. Talk about grumpy old men ffs. Get a Grip.

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05 Nov 2015 22:35:50
That's probably your best post PW ever

Over to you Ed? we know you like to let the dust settle mate but in the cold light of day you will be hurting too

We got a "fluke" goal against a poor team and are piss poor

What's your take on it? (y)

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{Ed007's Note - Disappointed, Jamie but not surprised, it was another game that we could have won and ended up losing. Simunovic going off early was another example of how our luck seems to be going in Europe but you can't blame RD for taking the risk when you look at the alternatives, our defence is so fragile and low on confidence we seem to be rushing him a bit too much for me and the Molde player played it cute going in for that tackle.
The first goal would never have happened if Scott Brown was on the park, that's his area and Elyounoussi wouldn't have had so much time on the ball.
All the usual suspects in key positions let us down, Griffiths miss when he was 1 on 1 with their GK showed again that he shouldn't be first choice in Europe - and as for Citci, did he get a touch when he came on?
Blackett, Commons, Forrest, Armstrong, Boyata were all unimpressive and Bitton and Rogic had the type of game you just need to forget about with young players - we all want them in the team but when it goes wrong a lot of fans pounce on it and blow it out of all proportions - it will happen with Tierney at some point, fans are putting that lad under far too much pressure with their expectations already, it's time to take a step back and let him develop.
Is Craig Gordon even worth mentioning? And I got grief for questioning that signing to replace an England internationalist (rofl)
We tried to bring in Gordon Strachan to mentor NL, it's time we brought in a Director of Football to wrestle the power back at the club back to football rather than balance sheets. Sacking RD will achieve nothing as Rocky and Bullwinkle will still be in control, they're the problem.}

06 Nov 2015 06:41:18
Celtic Jerseys don't shrink to fit inferior players - Need to find out who is doing the laundry at present.
While I still feel RD is not experienced enough for the managers job, he has no backing. Collins (dont get me started), Defense (Kennedy and McGrain - nice guys but the results of their work are plain to see) . PL - I don't think I need to comment on his part.
After the last debacle we went out and humped Utd and for many, everything was coming together. Part 2 coming up - humped by that lot last night then we will destroy Ross County.
Just not good enough - No fight, no passion and a bunch of also-rans who are supposedly professionals. Losing is bad enough but its the way we are being beaten.

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06 Nov 2015 07:18:49
To costa Tim

That is the most patronising post I've ever read

A
You don't need to read lengthy posts
B
I will post prose as long or as short as I like
C
Grumpy old men? I'm younger than our manager Ffs
D
Read A and B again and again and again and you'll get the gist of what I'm saying.

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{Ed001's Note - I think the word irony is relevant here. An old man ranting about others being 'grumpy old men'!}

06 Nov 2015 09:18:02
Utter bollocks Paradisewon. You have a vendetta against Ronny Deila and like to portray yourself as having all the answers.

The key points to the situation we are in are:

1. John Park is solely responsible for dross that we have in squad. He is the one who is the weakest link at club and untill he is removed, no matter who is manager we will not progress.

2. Peter Lawwell is far too interested in his ego, thinking that he can continually do things on cheap in a trial and error manner hoping every signing will turn a Wanyama style profit. He is not football minded and has to go.

3. Backroom staff. My main issue when Lennon was appointed manager, was him having no experience. No member of coaching team, should have no experience prior to being appointed. John Kennedy was appointed out of sorrow for an early retirement due to injury. We should of appointed someone like Joe Jordan

4. How many managers knocked back job before Deila was appointed? Nobody of significance wants job, because there is far too much interferance at boardroom level. Expect someone like Owen Coyle to replace Deila if he is relieved of duties.

Untill Lawwell is away, expect things to get a hell of a lot worse.

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06 Nov 2015 07:13:32
Insightful as ever ed.

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06 Nov 2015 09:22:37
Think you can split the people on here up into a lot of categories, there's the ones that think Ronnies a good manager and he's just not getting the backing and the players just are'nt good enough, then there are the ones that think Ronnies not a good manager and he's making a group of good players look bad, then there are the people who have their favourite players like what's hisname, who seems to have an unhealthy hatred of Scott Brown, then there's the Ed, who can say Griffithsshould. nt be first choice in Europe cause he misses a chance, but Bitton and Rogic were just having a bad night, me, I am glad Johansenn is banned for the next European game, and I don't think Ronnie is a good manager,

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{Ed007's Note - At European level top strikers put chances like Griffiths, away, that's the difference and that's why since the day he signed I have consistently said LG isn't and never will be good enough to play at any higher level than the SPFL.
Bitton has probably been our most consistent player this year and this is Rogic's first season as a first-team regular but you've decided neither of them are good enough because of last night - as I said, it'll be young Tierney's turn soon enough when he plays a bad game or makes a mistake.
You forgot to mention the category that don't know what they're talking, get their opinions from reading the media trashing our manager and team and just jump on the bandwagon, then there's the morons who seem to revel in us getting beat as it gives them some kind of superiority complex because no matter what RD does they'll nevrr be happy.

06 Nov 2015 13:45:25
Did'nt mean to be critical or over critical, of Bitton or Rogic, was just trying to point out your over critiscm of Griffiths, as even the best of strikers miss sitters now and again, which is similar to celticforever constant critiscm of Scott Brown, am sure Tierney will go on to have an outstanding career at Celtic, which makes me wonder how is that young Irish lad that plays CB, is he not good enough to get a chance in the first team.

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{Ed007's Note - So I'm wrong to criticise LG after missing an absolute sitter even though it backs up what I have CONSISTENTLY said since he signed?}

06 Nov 2015 13:57:19
A think Ed sadly RD is getting to a point he cannot retrieve it mate!

I cannot see why people are up in arms about the youth what do they honestly expect to get from Blackett and Boyata? before arriving @ CP they had hardly played a FULL season between them in terms of experience!

But you of all Ed must see how UNFIT they look? (said last night even LG looked knackered after 60 mins! )

But they look not only that they look as though they are NOT even trying ffs confidence gone when a goal down

PL ain't coming out saying much and that is MEEK IMO (y)

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{Ed007's Note - I wouldn't blame RD for chucking it, he should tell Pedro to ram it and then we'll see the level of coach that comes in next. It'll be another young coach brought in to work with players that Rocky and Bullwinkle have decided are in the right financial bracket rather than having the football ability to play for CFC.
What do fans expect when we're signing average players like Gordon, Armstrong, GMS, Griffiths, Ciftci and mixing it with dross like Forrest and Commons?
Whomever replaces RD will still have the same problems, the player recruitment at the club is a joke.}

06 Nov 2015 18:39:01
I think the Ed 07 is fairly spot on with his assessment . Hindsight is a very valuable commodity but one or two posters on here were forecasting a Celtic victory because Scot Brown was missing . I disagreed before the match and watching the match confirmed just how much we missed ou captain and best midfielder .
I wonder can we play Bitton and Rogic on the one team . In the second half especially both were caught taking three, four or five touches of the ball.
People have derided Ambrose and he has made mistakes but he would have attacked the ball better than Blackatt who just hasn't got it . Griffith's really should have scored in the second half, it was ridiculously easy and when a striker like Griffiths misses a chance like that, it doesn't help the rest of the team or the manager .
Two borderline off sides , a couple of close calls, a couple of fantastic saves by their goalie plus the Griffith miss added to two bad goals given away, yet Deila gets all the crap.

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05 Nov 2015 21:49:55
Well it's been a couple of hours since the final whistle and my feelin is not of anger! It's just the realism that our management should go for there own sake aswell as the clubs! I really don't want it to turn nasty for Ronnie because he seems like a nice bloke! But his euro record is abysmal! Home and away defeats to molde are the last straw I'm afraid! We've went in the space of 3 seasons beating Barcelona to be humiliated on a regular basis by European also rans! Molde Malmo Maribor to name 3! Get a new manager in ASAP and let him get bedded in for next seasons CL qualifiers! Let's not be fooled by a few victories in the SPL please! Enough is more than enough! Time for a change now!

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05 Nov 2015 22:01:03
have to disagree when you give the manager a fiver and tell him not to spend it all in the 1 shop i'm afraid your on a downhill spiral that's why lennon left and i had little time for him its why strach left and him i liked so don't blame ronnie you can only piss with the mccoist you got.

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05 Nov 2015 22:07:07
Think I agree with you DH, ever since that game against Legia, after it I was left with a feeling of ' that was awful ', Ronnie is a nice person, but does he have the attributes to become a top class manager, there might be a role for him at Celtic in coaching the youths and bringing them on, but I think he is very pig headed and its his way or the highway sort of thing, to be anything more than a youth coach, but, and its a big but, if he gets to the end of the season, and he comes to his senses, and maybe starts playing the younger players instead of the established ones just as an experiment to see how they do, who knows what might happen, ok DH maybe i don;t agree with you.

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05 Nov 2015 22:16:14
No one forces Ronny to play guys like Armstrong, Gordon (Clearly not the same keeper this season) , Boyata, Blackett and of course the seemingly undroppable Johansen. These players have kept failing Ronny time and again this season. Brown is another and the fact we've bought 3 players from Dundee Utd over the last year shows how far we've fallen.

It's not the system it's the players whom occupy it that keep failing. Rogic had a poor night although I still rate him and Bitton wasn't at anywhere near his best, Ronny needs to start getting brave with guys like Boyata and Johansen and even Gordon because these guys are going to cost him his job, it's clear as well Lustig isn't up to it anymore at RB at this level and should be moved to CB. Major decisions like these Ronny needs to start getting right but I fear it's too little too late for him.

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05 Nov 2015 22:21:56
happynoods

economic disadvantage does not explain malmo…maribor. legia…molde…so it is indeed a taxi for ronnie …

we are not asking for miracles here…we are asking for the team to demonstrate a hunger, desire to win and a tactical set-up that gives us a greater chance of victory. Biscuit tin is another thread and not for this evening

RD had all the economic advantages this evening and a fortnight ago and we were run ragged 5-2 going on 10-4.

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05 Nov 2015 22:23:28
What management team is really going to improve that shower of sh**, if your defenders can't do the basics or players can't pass to each other that's the players fault, can't always blame the manager.

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05 Nov 2015 22:26:07
Mate please stop kidding urself! Yes the qualities not what it was! But we're talking about basic tactics and organisation! I'm not even going to attempt to argue the point with u mate. its as clear as the nose on the end of your face that ronnies is clueless when it comes to basic tactics and how to set up a team! And if u want an example look no further than molde! A team with a fraction of our budget who scored 5 going on 10 over 2 legs! No big time players or 50 grand a week stars! But have qualified from the group with 2 games to spare! So again I'll say please stop kidding urself eh!

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05 Nov 2015 22:41:11
It appears a lot of our fans seem to be falling for the press boys patter exactly which Scottish club managers recently have had excellent results in Europe? Not many that I remember some great celtic managers have been constantly poor in Europe. The mighty English premiership teams down south with all their multiple millions constantly struggle for consistency in Europe. so what gives our club the God given right to succeed annually in Europe. The poor results are ammunition for the Scottish press to have a dig at us I would love us to be able to perform better in Europe but nowadays there isn't much difference between £2 million pound players and £500,000 so unless we are prepared to go with a long term plan to establish a model to create a conveyor belt of talent then I feel we will be where we are for a very long time?

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05 Nov 2015 23:04:37
Bigp clubs have been trying to produce these academy players for years. No one can do it. What makes you think we can do what no other team can do and create teams from the youth system? It's just a daydream.

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05 Nov 2015 23:29:03
papapabz, its the managers job, if it was so easy to be a good manager, that you left it to the players, the world would be full of good managers, but it is not like that, i have been haunted, haunted after standing in murrayfield watching celtic against legia, it was almost the same team as the season before, apart from what's his name, but the performance was totally different.

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05 Nov 2015 21:19:00
Gutted no fight no movement no idea.

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05 Nov 2015 21:17:43
I once compared this present outfit to the Barnes/Brady era, my apologies it's worse.

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05 Nov 2015 21:08:58
Its time for lawell and park to pi** off pair of idiots you get whit ye pay for and we saw that the night humped off a team that was average at best over two games tyler blackett i would have let him aff the nyt 2 bob rocket hahaha 4 million clause to sign him permanent ad pay that tae send him back noo.

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05 Nov 2015 21:35:33
Everyone has an opinion of who's to blame but one things for sure Deilabolicle can't influence the course of a game and make the appropriate changes
The team lacks organisation and drive
Worse I've saw since the macari era.

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05 Nov 2015 20:58:09
Only positive for me tonight was Tierney. Only player who can hold his head up.

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05 Nov 2015 20:51:56
Celtic missed a trick the past two seasons in Europe let's not make a third time to get someone that at least has a game plan hail hail we should part with Ronny on good terms before it gets any worst.

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05 Nov 2015 20:40:30
Iv never felt so empty and drained with a celtic team like this before. And i like many others suffered through the 90s celtic teams.

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05 Nov 2015 20:50:07
Also can't remember the last time I was as disappointed in performance, lack of fight and attitude. I would exempt Kiearn Tierney in any criticism.

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05 Nov 2015 20:29:22
Massive failure tonight, RD won't survive this tonight IMO this is torture folks

Lets just digest this it was woeful!

Sure RD has been short changed but of NINETEEN signings we are sitting with a squad of such inexperience its embarrassing ffs

PL took a gamble, embarked on a project an experiment and he needs to be held accountable for this sham!

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05 Nov 2015 20:27:45
Jeez really is time to call a. Spade a Spade this performance is totally unacceptable, some of the players pulling the hoops jerseys over their heads are unacceptable but it has to be said the time has come to kick all the spin coming out of celtic park regarding Ronny deila into touch for once and for all, how low do celtic have to fall before it finally dawns on everyone connected to celtic that nice a guy as he is, he is totally and absolutely out of his comfort zone. to play an European game at celtic park against a team 6th in the norway league and not be able to string 2passes together and have an 18year old full back as the only player on the pitch with any heart is just plain unforgivable, time for this decent man to do the right thing admit your not up to it and go.

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05 Nov 2015 20:59:34
Exactly. It's the next lot of 18 year olds coming through where we'll see the benefit of RD staying, to some capacity. Bring in a new defensive coach sure. And/or an experienced tactitian. Ronnie can either take a step back, as initially sounded, be given a different role or title or whatever. The board need to sell up or change their transfer policy also. The guy making the signings needs sacked. No quality or experience brought in. Too many of those players don't have an oz. about them.

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05 Nov 2015 22:21:18
Jim Tim so you are saying Ronnie should not be manager any more? So you must then agree he is not up to the job!

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05 Nov 2015 20:23:19
Enough is enough for me. A disgrace. We can't win a game in the Europa league. Wasn't so long ago we had were getting to the last 16 of the Champions League under strachan and Lenny. Going backwards and UNACCEPTABLE.

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05 Nov 2015 20:17:58
Humped again by a team we should be able to compete against. At least we are consistent in Europe. Ronny never seems to have a plan B and WTF does Collins bring to the management team? I guess if we destroy Ross County on Sunday everything will be ok.

Still, at least one positive as it will give the msm something to deflect the attention from across the city.

Im off to sit on top of a bonfire (so should a few of the team as they need a rocket up their a*se)

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05 Nov 2015 21:58:27
1 disagree - About what?
I wish people disagreeing would have the guts to follow on with an explanation. You may very well be justified and I am always open to criticism and will change my thoughts if a constructive point makes sense. I was dead against RD as I felt he was not up to the job. I then sat back and kept an open mind after the Eds and a lot of people on this site argued in his favour. I have since went back to my original feelings and think RD should either take over the youth squad completely and maybe move up as manager with them (mind you this lot will sell anyone half decent) or walk away having done his best. Our defence is a joke and its not just Kennedy, Danny McGrain is also on the staff.

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05 Nov 2015 20:16:36
Literally suffered through that _while_ lecturing to my class about Hamlet's demise (2 screen power-point trick) , but I'm no pleased.

"there's a special providence in the fall of a sparrow. If it be now, 'tis not to come; if it be not to come, it will be now; if it be not now, yet it will come: the readiness is all: since no man has aught of what he leaves, what is't to leave betimes? "

Ronnie must now tender his resignation. If he is rebuffed, the board need to immediately rectify the problem with first rate signings.

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05 Nov 2015 20:54:35
Agree with somethings you say but we won't pay for another Manager and Ronnie will be here till at least the end of the season. For all the shouting on hear no one has even come up with a near credible name to take over the managers seat. Truely hacked off though!

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05 Nov 2015 22:28:52
DesH Roy Kean is coming. You wait and see. Not sure if it's now or in January. I think it will be at end of EL campaign do when we finish last in group it will be easy to get rid with most supporters then wanting him to go, but DD wants Kean. PL didn't so now it will be DD turn and he will subsidise Keans wages.

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05 Nov 2015 23:21:36
I don't think he deserves the sack; but I do wish he would offer to go with the dignity he has shown thus far: put the board in the jackpot: make them convince him he will be given options or thank him for his time. An honest bloke and a sincere effort - but not Celtic class whatever way you look at it.

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05 Nov 2015 20:11:29
I don't think Deila will get the boot, but if he does who would people want as a replacement? I don't know who is out there just now, but something better must exist!

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05 Nov 2015 20:25:27
Was going to post this before the match but I believe it will be Roy Kean. I don't know when it will happen but I assume it will be after the last EL game but maybe immediately to try and give them a chance because with Ronnie there is no hope of progressing into the knock out stage.

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05 Nov 2015 20:27:47
Lambert and larsson.

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05 Nov 2015 20:56:35
Please not Roy Keane, Paul Hartley might be someone that can develop in the job, Ronnies a nice guy but he is just not upto the job as manager, why does he not rest Johansenn?, is Allan still injured?, it was pity that Brown missed the match, they missed him, fully fit driving the team on, and what was the story with Simonuvic, who's idea was it to play him, not fully fit, those are the kind of hard decisions a good manager would make, not playing a player, who says he's fit but who you suspect isnt, if Ronnie stays he has to start making those hard decisions, like resting Johannsen and Effe and Izzi, though resting Johansenn and playing Izzi in midfield might be interesting.

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05 Nov 2015 20:56:37
If Larsson has any sense he will stay well clear. Too inexperienced and good seriously damage his rep if it all went tits up!

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05 Nov 2015 20:10:35
How demoralising was that to watch? Honestly never even flinched when molde scored. Only young Tierney gets pass marks. No point in having the same old rant after these European games. Enough is enough!

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05 Nov 2015 20:09:23
Does anyone else think Celtic don't even look at the opposition before playing them. They had a clear game plan that exploited us on numerous occasions. I've tried to stay positive, but something has to change.

I got slated at the start of the season for saying Armstrong was terrible, he clearly is. johanssen needs dropped. I'd rather have a team full of Tierney and Henderson's than wimps who don't tackle.

What a joke.

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05 Nov 2015 20:39:13
Our stars have been shadows and signings have largely crumbled. Good football in possesion or defence doesn't always depend on great tactics. Tactics should be the edge when you do the basics right. I don't think the players or fans really felt this tie. Simonivic off and it was a scythe. Goals chopped. Hammer. Same old lackluster defending. Nail in the coffin. It was a scrambling catchup after that, with the red card being a given.

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05 Nov 2015 20:09:05
Where do we go from here sack the board. It will be like this we will go back to beating all the rubbish of the day. Teams like Aberdeen st jonstone and ict. Teams that can't even beat part timers to get into competitions like this. And when we start doing this all will be forgotten again. Deluded people will tell us all how good the team is and how fit they look. Ronnie will be roaring and he will be a genius for the way he has turned round Neil lennons team. Well not for me. Yes there has been a massive lack of investment but he still has a team and players if managed properly that can take care of average teams like that. Even more importantly take care of Maribor and Malmö. The team is a total shambles whenever it's asked serious questions and that lies with the team management. So I will say this for the first time enough is enough Ronnie. Time to go. Your a nice man who conducts himself in the right way but you are struggling. I did t think we could see as bad as we seen in Malmö and molde but that was worse. celtic park is a traditional fortress tonight molde walked through the front door and could've left with anything they needed. And they did.

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05 Nov 2015 20:03:31
That's embarrassing, no tactics, no leader and clearly a manager out of his depth. I feel sorry for Ronnie as I hoped he would succeed but clearly he's not the man to take us forward.
The board are more to blame and they must be held accountable, time for big change within our club. Do it now to give us a chance in Europe next year.

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05 Nov 2015 20:05:21
Where to start I think it's fair to say that our expectations were lowered from the first few results. It wasn't the ability to score goals it was the lack of being a good football team that has really cost us. The edges of the dice we have rolled for years are now spherical and now I feel we are off the euro map.

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05 Nov 2015 20:01:51
This is a disgrace, really not good enough, the Manager has to Go now, his tactics again rubbish, hi is a Juvinile, I am so Angry and Sad that we are reduced to this. The league is already Won, we should not give him the chance to put 2 league titles on his CV.

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05 Nov 2015 19:55:00
Held back untill now because of all the hype around him before the match! But it is clear as day that tom rogic is a poor footballer whom all our hope of progression going forwatd should not be placed upon.

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05 Nov 2015 20:04:32
Think he could be a good player but takes far too many touches, one thing for sure if the young lads in the development squad are as hungry as tierney then we should b introducing them to the first team.

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05 Nov 2015 20:24:57
Been a Ronnie supporter from day 1 but sorry to say he has lost it whatever it is. The team are rudderless and heading for wherever so a change at the top is required. I know some will blame the hierarchy but that team on the pitch tonight were useless. I've been reading lately about how good players like Bitton, Rogic are well who are we kidding they are run of the mill average players earning good money and delivering very little when faced with reasonable opposition. We've been fortunate or unfortunate if u like, that RIFC have given us some laughs for a while now but that has just meant us taking out eye off the ball for too long hence we are where we are!

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05 Nov 2015 19:53:06
Well Ed, where the fk do you start with that?

One player trying tonight young KT even LG looked knackered tonight!

Never ever seen such a powder puff, under whelming performance by us!

In the last FIFTEEN years of qualification that must be the WORST opposition EVER too MINCE.

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05 Nov 2015 19:48:25
Make what you want of that guys, not 1 positive apart from the young lad Tierney.
Something has to give.

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05 Nov 2015 19:58:40
Utterly demoralised tbh. Can't bring myself to even say anything, shambles.

As you say though Tierney was a credit to himself looked like the only one out there who gave a feck.

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05 Nov 2015 19:46:45
Enough is enough ! Please just go NOW Ronnie and take the other 2 with you . I'm worn out watching this shambles over and over again .

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05 Nov 2015 19:39:19
Where do we go from here?

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05 Nov 2015 19:49:44
Pickets 'R' Us.

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05 Nov 2015 19:55:41
Well for a start the manager should go! I came on here against my better judgement and willed this man to do well even after the molde game away and look what happens! Back to back defeats against a team who is 6th in Norway league! Tactically naive and clueless! He must go! He cannot be trusted in Europe again next season! We've went from CL football to European laughing stock! No more chances for this guy from me! Shambles! Make the change now and let a new manager bed in! Then let's here Lawell explain the decision to appoint this guy!

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05 Nov 2015 20:02:32
DH88, that's it for me RD is not cutting the mustard. He needs to go now.. My only concern is that if we do not get investment we will fail in Europe for the foreseeable future.

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05 Nov 2015 20:03:13
The bookies for Ma winnings👍🏿👍🏿.

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05 Nov 2015 19:15:40
Need one hell of a second half performance but our defence is so bad I fear we will concede at any time.
Blacket has never impressed and Boyata is unpredictable to say the least, while Gordon and Johansen are shadows of last season.

I remember Celtic of old fighting for every ball and running at teams all night but we seem to play into opponents hands by being predictable and pedestrian.
They say teams reflect the manager and this team is meek, nervy and rudderless.

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05 Nov 2015 19:26:16
2 things : Tierney a cracking wee player, and secondly, can any of the ambrose haters explain how Blackett is better than Efe?

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05 Nov 2015 19:41:54
The bigger problem is we have a chronic shortage of decent defenders and I'm talking about guys who can even do the basics and don't repeat the same mistakes over and over. Young Tierney is a great prospect though and it's such a crime we have not managed to produce a centre half of that calibre instead of signing and borrowing dross.

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05 Nov 2015 19:41:56
Would also like to point out to the Scott brown hater, that rogic has lost ball in 1 game than brown losses in a season. In fact while I'm at it, I've seen some poor Celtic teams in my life, but this has to be the poorest, lifeless, lacklustre, uninspiring bunch of clowns I've ever seen.

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05 Nov 2015 19:56:12
Deila has potential as a coach and shows good signs domestically. In Europe he is an amateur tho. I think that in a few years he will suss out how to play in Europe but we don't have that time. Perhaps Celtic should employ a more experienced coach for the European campaigns with Ronny as understudy until he learns his trade. I think Ronny will someday be a great all-round coach but Celtic can't afford to wait for that and I don't think we should lose him. He definitely needs a mentor at European level tho as its clear he's out of his depth there just now.

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05 Nov 2015 21:29:25
Yeah, I've said something like that before, bring in an older more experienced head to act as a mentor for Ronnie, I said Wim Jansen, but that was just of the top of my head, don't know if its feasible, heard Tom English say on the radio (i think, i was driving and might have misheard) , that Ronnie was asked if he'd watched the video of the first Molde game, and Ronnie said he'd thrown it in the bin without watching it, well if that's true, that shows Ronnie in a bad light as an arrogant, Iknow best, so and so,

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05 Nov 2015 19:15:25
Abilty in abundance, but heartless.

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05 Nov 2015 19:40:52
I said at the start of the EL we would finish bottom of our group. I asked the Ronnie supporters what they would say then. Only got one response saying that wouldn't happen and we would qualify. So here we go again. Before the game Ronnie is saying we know what we have to do. We will win? Talks a good game but can't deliver. Bottom of the group. Just unacceptable.

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05 Nov 2015 19:06:32
Reading all the views recently and some good point been made. After tonight's first half I feel the need to say how I see it:
1. You can not expect to sell your 10 million keeper a replace him with someone who hasn't played in years ( and expect to make the champions league 3 years out of 5 )
2. You can not sell your Dutch international for 13 million and replace him with a young boy with little experience ( and expect to make the champions league 3 years out of 5 )
this boy who in my opinion needs a seasoned professional beside him but the current board will not buy or pay the wages for as it does not suit their model, which Imo won't work as eventually we are going to run out of 10 million players.
3.There is no way that celtic football club deserves to be used as a business project for a man who takes a million pound a year out the club with the permission of a multi billionaire who has given us f#@k all over the years.
Sorry for the rant ed I actually kept this short, believe me.

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05 Nov 2015 18:50:23
I'm sorry but this defending is a disgrace by the way! This just ain't good enough for our club! It's the same old naive tactics once again! For me Ronnie will never learn his lesson in Europe! I honestly hope for his sake that we come back from this! Back to back defeats to molde is unthinkable by the way! Forget the SPL! I'm talkin Europe here! This is shocking once again!

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05 Nov 2015 19:02:03
I think we still have a chance, but Dh88 you are Correct, the defense is Sh--! We need a Keeper as well. The manager has got the whole structure wrong again, where is the super fit, high pressing, intelligent football that we have been promised or the last 18 mths, TONIGHT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO DELIVER.

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05 Nov 2015 19:44:50
Malika give it a rest. This is what we have. No one is happy.

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05 Nov 2015 18:49:43
Well well well CG flapping like a salmon out of water again. one word incompetent.

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05 Nov 2015 19:47:47
Gordon blame for any of those goals in the first half. The centre half's are pump.

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05 Nov 2015 18:36:09
Time for johannsen to be dropped by the way! Awful from the start of the season! He's a player that doesn't look interested to me! Give Allan his chance in there! On another note, our central defence is terrible by the way! I really don't know how these players keep making the same mistakes over and over again!

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05 Nov 2015 18:52:28
The defence are mistake prone and it commanding. There so nervous on the ball and struggle with the absolute basics. It's almost comical.

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05 Nov 2015 19:12:14
We can't seem to attack a player defensively without giving a foul or preventing a shot when it counts. Tierney has been doing his best and blacket looks terrified and out his depth in professional football. If we can keep busy up their end we might have a chance.
For anyone struggling for a link firstrowsports. info/watch/football/celtic---Molde. htm
It's been perfect so far.

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05 Nov 2015 19:43:32
I'm beginning to think the problem is a psychological one. The players are playing within themselves and need to unlock this European psychological barrier that is up. Griffiths would have buried that 99/100 times in the spl. Never mind who the goalie is he didn't hit the target. The same applies to the defenders. The young LB is the best out he who back 4 and that's because he's playing with no fear and with courage. The rest could learn from him.

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05 Nov 2015 18:09:01
Oh No Simonivic off after 3 mins, We were told he was injury prone, I hope not another Borichter.

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05 Nov 2015 18:44:30
No wonder Zagreb we're delighted to get that amount for him - he is worse than Lustig for soft injuries. Speaking of soft, I don't remember a Celtic team being so powder-puff. Don't fancy Rogic, Bitton, Lusptig, Armstrong and a couple of others in any 50/50 challenge.

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05 Nov 2015 19:41:35
Simonivic was rushed back because of our frailty, combination of egerness on his part and necessity .

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05 Nov 2015 18:07:31
Is jozo made of glass?

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05 Nov 2015 14:19:02
Predictions for tonight lads? Going 3 1 celtic, boyata fgs.

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05 Nov 2015 15:38:35
Wish I was as confident as you, but nowadays in Europe I can never get my hopes up - no matter, who we play?
Not so long ago under MON and WGS and even NL, I fancied our chances at home to anyone, but we cannot seem to defend against any European opponent and make basic errors too often.
i know we have found some form domestically and only hope that this lifts the confidence and the Bhoys get their act together tonight as this could shape the whole season.

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05 Nov 2015 16:13:18
I honestly feel with Scott Brown not playing to give away possession in the middle that we'll win this pretty comfortably.

3-1 Celtic Rogic hat trick.

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05 Nov 2015 16:23:51
3-1 Celtic Commons FGS.

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05 Nov 2015 16:38:04
3 0 Griffiths any time.

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05 Nov 2015 16:41:21
2-1. Celtic, T. Cake a quick goal, a lot of pressure, they equalize, Rogic late goal. Easy.

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05 Nov 2015 16:46:44
If they play as well as Saturday and same team should be an easy win. Nothing too predictable about them in Europe atm thou.

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05 Nov 2015 17:00:26
Molde 3-2. Commons first scorer.

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05 Nov 2015 17:04:47
Going for 3 nil tonite! No ambrose and izzy great news! And agree with Celticforever about brown! Play is far to slow and he loses possession far to much for me! Especially in Europe! Rogic and biton are the future for me! Good on the ball and the ball goes forward faster! Wee early goal from commons to set us on our way! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🍀🍀.

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05 Nov 2015 13:14:54
If what I have heard is true about the SPFL re examining all things to do with Cheaters Fc, is it not time the SFA did the exact same thing and even looked at one of their own employees holding a top job with them and now found guilty of receiving EBT's step forward Mr Ogilvie and tell us all when you intend to repay your fraudelent tax free payments.

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05 Nov 2015 14:33:56
As much as I'd like to see that Tim, it's the employers responsibility to pay tax, not the employee, so I think it would be unfair to punish him.

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05 Nov 2015 15:48:47
I have never trusted the SFA, SFL, SPL, SPFL or any guise the establishment adopt - especially where Rangers, Sevco, Newco or Oldco are involved and the fact that the tribute act are playing at a ground and training at a complex that should have been re- possessed or sold is all the proof I need to continue my scepticism.

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05 Nov 2015 15:53:58
JB, anyone with any self respect or integrity would not hide behind their employer's responsibilities. oh, wait.

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05 Nov 2015 17:14:41
Tiny Tim its the players responsibility is to pay their own tax probably through a company so the transaction is nothing at all to do with them. They have zero liability. Let's not muddy the waters. The blame lies with David Murry and the Directors at that time. Now if Murry has taken written advice depending on the strength of that advice he may also be off the hook. However it absolutely depends on the advice he received in writing. If there is any warnings on the advice he may be liable personally so would other Directors for the "duscrepancy". If one of the top tax companies put in writing he is 100% legal and if HEctor comes after him he can go after the company that gave him advice. So the issue is with the Rangers Board 100%. Now why are HMRC going after a company that is now liquidated? They either want the assets that were sold to Whyte for £1.00. They can try and claim that Murry sold them off to escape the liability for the tax scam. It is no coincidence that this tax case has come back at the same time Green and co, the eventual owners of the assets are in court. HMRC are not spending money chasing nothing. They are going after Ibrox, Murry Park etc. You wAit and see. once ownership us established the fireworks will start.

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05 Nov 2015 09:36:10
Cannot understand bookmakers sometimes, we were well beaten in Molde yet tonight Molde are a massive 9/2 to win and even 3/1 to draw, all my ex bear pals are taking these odds.
Celtic SHOULD win tonight but can we trust Delia with his dodgy tactics in europe it is a game I am avoiding betting on.

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05 Nov 2015 09:56:54
Depending on how the usual suspects at the back play, I fancy us and can see why we are favourites. 9/2 is tempting though.

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05 Nov 2015 10:07:24
3 0 celtic Griffiths 1st goal or anytime.

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05 Nov 2015 11:43:00
Think I'll stick £10 on Molde and £3.34 on the draw for cover. If Celtic win I'm happy to lose but if we slip up at least I have a chance of money.

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05 Nov 2015 13:07:40
Could never go against the hoops mate betting against the grain.

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05 Nov 2015 14:42:41
Shows how far we have fallen a supposed celtic fan openly telling people he's betting against us 😦 Ps there's nothing wrong in my opinion not thinking we won't win its betting against us that stinks.

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05 Nov 2015 08:39:05
Hopefully with Biton signing a new deal. Rogic looking to sign one and the vast improvements in those players Griffiths and emergence of Tierney and hopefully Simunovic. We are starting to see what Deila was brought in for. Hearing Rogic speak about his injuries it sounds like he knew he would always get his chance. It makes you question the attitude of certain players Scepovic Boeriggter Watt and even Stokes when they haven't even been given a chance. Time now to get rid of anyone whose attitude isn't right and continue building.

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05 Nov 2015 08:34:21
Dear old Bbohy,
perhaps this guy Marco Reuss from Dortmund would be a better option - then again who do we bring in at left and right back? Any ideas!? .

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