Celtic Banter Archive December 05 2014

05 Dec 2014 15:17:42
Hi Ed what's your views on the Tonev incident? Do you think we should have sent him back to Villa when found guilty? Are we wrong to be taking it further? I read somewhere that no one heard anything said by Tonev no officials, players, Assistants, Cameras, Microphones, Management or subs heard a thing so it was basically his word against Logans? How can he be deemed guilty then?

{Ed007's Note - Nobody knows what evidence was produced so whatever you've read is just speculation. I don't want to add to any speculation without knowing all the facts but as usual a lot of fans are saying he must be innocent simply because he plays for us, if it was a CFC player accusing an Aberdeen player of it how different would the CFC support's attitude be?
If it had been against a CFC player the cries would be that seven matches isn't enough, the SFA have been to lenient, the SFA have got it in for CFC blah blah blah. If your wife accused another man of trying it on or groping her would you not believe her because it's one person's word against another, would you speak up for the man in court? What if he was a CFC supporter as well, there's no way it could be true could it? The fact Tonev is a CFC player seems to be the main factor in whether people thinks he's guilty or not.}

Totally agree with you ed, if he is found not guilty because it can't be proved he did say it, while all the time he did actually say it, does that make it alright?, but what can you do in this situation?, make both of them take a lie detector test?, maybe that'd be the only way

Or it could be that he misheard what Tonev said? and I am not just saying this because Tonev plays for us but one persons word to really destroy a players career has to be something stronger than that surely? what happened to innocent until proved guilty? If he did say it then he deserves everything he gets but not on one mans word against another. Sorry I can't except that any one can now just say anything to get a player banned Political correctness gone mad in my opinion

{Ed007's Note - Em he's already been found guilty Tony, do you mean innocent until CFC fans get the verdict they want?}

Racism has no place in our game at all end of.
but if the sfa have found tonev guilty based on one player saying so and no other witnesseswitnesses then this is shocking. Also is this a delayed decision as we play them on the 1st Feb da da da conspiracy or not a conspiracy du du du lol

Guilty by probability is not proof
Its the mans career that is hanging on 3 men saying well one man said it first so that is what happened
Could he have misheard what Tonev said? maybe Did Tonev say it? maybe I am just saying its a big call to make on one mans word against another. Archaic way to be judge and jury in my opinion. If they have any other evidence that is conclusive well fair enough I would be one of the first to say shame on him and get rid

{Ed007's Note - I think you're over-reacting with the his career's hanging on it patter, it's not done Leigh Griffiths career any harm and he's got previous for it, and Suarez seems to be doing ok for himself.}

My view on Tonev has nothing to do with him being a Celtic player. It just seems a dangerous road to go down to automatically take the word of the person who is making the accusation.
If Tonev is guilty he would carry the stigma of being a racist around with him for the rest of his career, he may struggle to find another club, as there would be a lot of pressure put on clubs not to sign him.
I think with the punishment and shame he would endure, there should be something to back up the accusation.
If they have evidence, why can they not come out and say what it is, it would save an awful lot of trouble.

{Ed007's Note - He could always just sign for us, we've got no problem with Leigh Griffiths playing for us. The SFA are under no obligation to release evidence to the press or into the public domain.}

05 Dec 2014 23:50:42
What has Lee Griffiths done that allows you to circumvent Scottish Justice.Innocent until proven guilty as in Tonevs case.

{Ed007's Note - If you don't know what you're talking about it's usually best not to comment as you just make yourself look like a fool. If you think racially abusing someone on social media is fine or you're trying to excuse it then you're no better than cretins like Griffiths. Griffiths had already been proven to be a racist even before the Rudi Skacel video.}

So remind me ed, what was griffiths crime, singing a song about refugees in a pub enviroment along with a crowd of hibee supporters, having a go at skacel, not wanting to be pedantic, but what has being a refugee got to do with race?, the griffiths thing was obviously a bit of inter club banter that went over the top, seeing as griffiths and skacel are both the same race, not the same as calling someone a black so and so, which tonev might have done in the heat of the moment or might not have, now I didn't know about paulo di canio's history till recently, but maybe you should mention him instead of your obsession with all things racism, instead of griffiths.

{Ed007's Note - No it's to do with his Twitter account or is telling someone to 'f**k off back to your own country ya clown' not racist to you, or is is it just 'banter'? How do you feel about people singing the Famine Song, inter club banter or racism? Is that a good enough reminder? You're talking about a totally different incident than I am, hence why I have said Griffiths has got previous.
So before getting into a game of whataboutery over Di Canio why don't you at least get the facts about the topic being discussed before bringing other factors into it. Once you get with the program and understand what's being discussed we could look at expanding it, doing it now, I'd imagine, would only confuse you more than you already are.}

According to their rules they don't have any obligation to release any information . However they have vowed to be more transparent, does transparency only apply when it suits them?

Ed, you'll have to define to me what you think racism is, I've never listened to more than the first couple of lines of the famines over, but that's not a racist song, the scots and the irish are more or less the same race, and thousands of scotspeople died during the famine as well, its a sectarian, political jingle sung by people who haven't a clue what they're singing about, who's brains are used only to keep their ears apart, maybe that applies to griffiths aswell, but its not racism, but it might be sung by racists, but that's different, but if tonev said that to whatsname, one on one, it probably means he's a racist, I am not on twitter, so don't know anything about anyones twitter accounts.

{Ed007's Note - So telling people to go back where they come from isn't racist to you? Good luck in life pal, you're going to need it.}

05 Dec 2014 13:00:43
I wondered what people's views were on what Barry Hearn was saying about scottish football selling itself better,
I must say I agreed with a lot of what he said. I am in no way trying to gloss over the drop in quality in the scottish game,, but you can still se exciting matches even if the quality is not brilliant.
I remember a couple of years ago Celtic came back from 3-1 down to beat Aberdeen 4-3, it was a really good match, but on the drive home all the pundits on radio Scotland could talk about was how poor the defending was.
No doubt they were gutted that Celtic had won the match, but if that match had been played in England they would have been replaying the game for years, and telling us that this is what makes the English game so exciting.
I am not comparing the Scottish game to the English game, but maybe if more of the positives were spoken about, it might encourage a few more people to go to the matches, and then you could start to move forward.

I hear ya buddy. But the pundits commentators and journos are never going to big up the SPFL until their team is back in it. Mixing your comments with mine - it's funny how many times i've read or heard that the championship is more exciting this season. Is it? Or are "people" just saying it is?

The people who are running football in Scotland are disfunctional as is the
MSSM . All that lot want is for Sevco or whoever is from Govan to dominate Scottish Football.

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