Celtic Banter Archive June 04 2017

 

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04 Jun 2017
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04 Jun 2017 23:01:14
Ed just seen a couple of headline saying we are in advanced stages of a permanent move for Roberts can you add anything mate always appreciated.

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{Ed007's Note - They need to finalise the price.}

04 Jun 2017 23:18:59
So its looking likely to happen Ed? Would be a superb deal.

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{Ed007's Note - I've said all along that I expected Roberts to be playing for us next season and I still do.}

04 Jun 2017 23:59:13
That would be fantastic. I hope we don't quibble over the price too much, as we have done before and lost out on someone, especially with the potential windfall from VVD.

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{Ed007's Note - If I was to take a guess I don't think it's the fee and more likely to be add ons or sell on clauses or even a buy back option.

05 Jun 2017 00:22:44
its true sam.

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05 Jun 2017 00:44:16
Really hope so! will Man city insert a large sell on percentage that will sweeten the deal or is it regarding the fee?

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05 Jun 2017 06:56:46
But what about Johnny Hayes? Surely paddy won't be happy to play 2nd fiddle to Johnny Hayes.

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05 Jun 2017 07:09:43
Brilliant Campsie lol 👍.

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05 Jun 2017 09:12:31
Jamesbhoy but you source says we won't be signing anyone till after champions league qualifiers .

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05 Jun 2017 11:45:41
paddy's agent told celtic he wanted to join us, a lot of talk its getting financed by the virgil sell on fee cash.

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05 Jun 2017 12:14:08
That's great news, Roberts must be keen to come if the talks are at an advanced stage.
He is a cracking player, and I am amazed that a lot of EPL clubs haven't shown much interest in him.
I read in the Daily Mirror that Celtic have offered £5m, whereas Man City want £10m for him, I obviously want Celtic to get the best deal possible, but when you look at the ridiculous fees clubs in England pay for players, even £10m doesn't sound too excessive for a player of Roberts ability.

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05 Jun 2017 22:37:43
Paddy Rodgers is a better fit at Celtic than most EPL teams . Most clubs outside top 6 would be reluctant to sign a rather small ball dribbler, they would over look his shooting and assisting ability and feel that he is a bit of a luxury player .
Top 5/ 6 might think he hasn't the blistering pace to set himself aside from other good wing typec players .
Unlike any other team our Manager and his coaches, his team mates and our supporters know better than any other club what he can do and what B R wants to improve on . He is happy here and he has Kieran Tierney.
We have more to offer him he has more to offer us.

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04 Jun 2017
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Celtic Player Sightings page entitled, So that'll be a long sleeve today Carlos?

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04 Jun 2017 22:11:12
wont be team talks that lot will be having it will be mass before games soon pmsl.

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04 Jun 2017 23:57:45
With Brother Pdero giving the sermon.

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04 Jun 2017 17:54:12
look our league is dying needs a major overhaul on and of the park only way to improve is doing that can't blame the club want to try there luck in another league cos of the financial side of it yes I do blame the board me self not investing squad enough to get to the CL last 16.

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04 Jun 2017 23:58:06
I hate to contradict anyone at this time, having just finished the second most successful season in my life time, but I don't think anyone could possibly know how much is necessary to get a club into the last 16 of the Champions League .
To the best of my knowledge UEFA don't end out a reminder at the start of the transfer window telling every club competing in C L how much they need to spend . Clubs with spending power multiple times Celtic can dream of, don't always qualify .
Actually spending money will help only if it is spent wisely on players that can fit into team structure that will gain success to last 16 and beyond . This means the right manager& coaches, the right scouting system and a generous portion of good fortune.

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05 Jun 2017 11:28:19
I agree with you, Chris, some people seem to be desperate for the club to spend big money purely for the sake of spending big money, a big money signing might not fit in, might disrupt the team spirit, spending big is no guarantee of success.

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04 Jun 2017 15:31:23
Kev Sevilla have won the Europa league a few times in the last 10 years without spending millions upon millions spending fortunes doesn't always guarantee success if we could keep the main players in our team and add 3/ 4 quality players we should be aiming for the last 16 of the Champs League.

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04 Jun 2017 16:11:26
Last 16 isn't challenging.

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04 Jun 2017 16:33:57
Well dropping into the Europa league from the champs league is still a step down so what's more challenging?

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04 Jun 2017 17:14:55
To challenge for something is to try and win it.

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04 Jun 2017 17:37:34
A decent European challenge?! I'm hoping we are too good to be involved in the Europa League mate last 16 should be our aim.

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04 Jun 2017 19:41:52
Don't give a toss about the champions league the super rich clubs have made it all but impossible to win for any club not turning over at least 500 million pounds annually and continue to strive to make it even harder on a yearly basis, don't kid yourself they don't even want to play against us, we don't create enough tv income. I want to win 10 in a row and as many cups as we can, would rather drop into the Europa league where a lot of the teams have the same problems we have .

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04 Jun 2017 19:56:32
10 in a row im with u reign supreme domestically and ill be a happy bhoy.

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04 Jun 2017 21:43:06
I love celtic in the champions league but I also know that we will always be also rans.
The last 16 this year had
4 teams from Spain
3 teams from Germany
3 teams from England
2 teams from Italy
2 teams from France
2 teams from Portugal
All league that have a spending power way beyond ours.
Teams like ours and say ajax with never be regulars in the 16 ever.
We might do it now and again ye.
We just can't compete with that sort of spending power.

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05 Jun 2017 00:05:50
Sevilla have an aweful going for them, that Celtic haven't .
Work permits for footballers from very poor South American Countries are a lot easier obtained than in Uk .
Climate in Seville is a lot more hospitable than wet dreary Scotland . Not only for players but wives and girlfriends who like to expose as much of their assets that are legal and Spain have climate to suit .

We should always target the last 16 and beyond but we have to be realistic enough to realise it is very difficult to attain and won't be an annual achievement.

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04 Jun 2017 23:35:22
Maybe when Jeremy becomes prime minister he can put a 95% tax on earnings over £20,000 a week, and that would even things up a bit football wise, and pay for more nurses, teachers and policemen.

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04 Jun 2017 14:29:41
I keep reading the phrase A decent European challenge.
What do people class a decent European challenge?
I look at even the Europa league winners this year spending 80 million on ONE player and paying several over 200 grand a week.
How do we challenge that?

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04 Jun 2017 16:47:21
We can't bud, for me last 16 should be the challenge, although teams with budgets that dwarf ours have failed in the past, think some of our fans need a reality check.

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04 Jun 2017 18:59:32
Kev, for me a decent Euro challenge is being competitive in all games. I accept there will be the odd 5-1 playing barca, real etc but not beating BMG, Ajax, Fenerbache etc at home or away has been a real problem for Celtic's progression in Europe.

There needs to be some realism in the sense Celtic are unable to go out and spend 100's of millions on players this we all accept. A post i put up earlier was rather than selling players afte 1-2 seasons hold onto them for the 4 years they sign and keep them here to form a base for challenging in Europe.

Vvd, wanyama, forster, hooper, mattews, ledley added to demebele, lustig, tierney, gordon, armstrong, sinclair, jozo, brown. Celtic would have a very good squad.

Ed did state the key point, we offer Celtic as a stepping stone and when the bids from England come if we didn't allow the players to leave we would not be seen as a good option by the players or their agents. Its finding that happy medium where we keep them long enough to fulfil Celtic's ambitions (or the fans - to go as far in Europe as possible either Champs League ot Europa run) whilst keeping the players happy at Celtic and maximizing the sell on value.

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04 Jun 2017 22:26:52
J Sean as ed said earlier NO player is sold when he wants to stay.
All them wanted moves to England
Hooper wanyama and vvd had to be convinced to stay an EXTRA season.

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05 Jun 2017 00:12:22
Our board has done well in keeping our better players as long as possible . It should be easier to extend ( by at least a couple of years ) our better players contracts, than have to go into to transfer market to buy . Every manager things the player he is buying will do the good job he wants . However if the manager gets nearly half of the players he buys to do that good job, he is lucky .

For that reason I expect B R will be doing everything in his power to get Roberts for as long as he can BR knows Roberts inside out.

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04 Jun 2017 11:08:38
With Dembele possibly moving and this being Celtic's formula buy, develop, sell for profit, will we ever build a team capable of challenging in Europe.

Over the past 4/ 5 seasons we have had very good to top players, Forster, Matthews (when fit) , VVD, Wanyama, Ledley, Hooper probably missed a couple but the question is if we kept these players for 3-5 seasons and they played together with the improved Tierney, Armstrong, Brown, Forrest etc making an impact on Europe would be possible?

Is the strategy get into Champs league get 3rd or nick second then re-build every transfer window selling best 2-3 players?

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{Ed007's Note - Celtic never forced any of those players to leave though, all of them asked to leave so how can the Club stop players who want out? I've gave guys like Lawwell pelters when it's due but you can't accuse him or the board of cashing in on players.
We sell the Club to potential signings as a stepping stone to bigger leagues citing players like Wanyama and VVD as examples and that the Club won't stand in the way of their development, you can't do that then break promises you've made or your reputation goes down the pan with agents and potential signings.}

04 Jun 2017 12:25:47
I think that we need to be realistic, Celtic cannot compete at Champions league level, all we can hope for is to qualify for it take the money and run.
If we do get players of high quality, we are unable to keep them for any length of time that would give us a chance of progression. Until our league is drastically reorganised or we somehow could play in a different competition, we are just not attractive to top players.
My worry, is about trying to replace these players. It's easy to say that because we get big fees for these players then replacing them will be easy, I don't think it is, signing young players can be hit and miss, for every Dembele there is a Cifti, for every Armstrong there is an Allan.
Ideally it would be good if we could get 2 or 3 years out of the top talents, but we are at such a disadvantage that we couldn't even hold off clubs like Brighton and Huddersfield if they decided they wanted our best players.
That's what really sickens me.

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04 Jun 2017 12:51:47
Such is the madness of the EPL, the player fees and wages are way above average. If you actually look at the whole of the EPL you would struggle to name more than a couple of dozen 'superstars'. The rest are made up of expensive foreigners and journeymen looking for a last big wage. If one of our players wished to move from a club with fantastic infrastructure (stadium, training, management etc) who are winning trophies and should, going by form, reach the group stages of the Champions League to a mid to bottom table EPL team purely because of the league they are in, then that to me lacks any ambition. Unfortunately though, money talks and a player like Armstrong could triple his salary overnight so it all comes down to what the player himself needs to fulfill his career. Is it money as it can be a very short career or is it honours? We don't pay peanuts to our players but we simply cannot compete with other leagues.

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04 Jun 2017 11:57:05
True Ed Celtic were ultimately forced to sell, as the players wanted away. How much of this was due to the realisation Celtic were not going to invest more, increase the wage cap for few etc. push in to better things?

The money Celtic has missed out on via Champs League could have covered a large portion if not all the wages the players wanted.

I know its not always about money and VVD wanted to play against better quality but at some point we need to push the boat out and keep players.

On the road to Seville the key players had been at Celtic for 3 years or more. Can you see any of the current crop staying for a further 2-3 seasons in order to mount a decent Euro challenge?

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04 Jun 2017 18:23:52
Realistically At any time getting to the champions league group stages is good for our club any more than that would be great but let's be real we as a club playing in Scotland its the best we can hope for We will never win the champions league as it stands now. And if we can achieve Champion league group stage each year that would be a great achievement.

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06 Jun 2017 16:31:17
The madness of the Epl is that English clubs fail to trouble the later stages of the Champions league.

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04 Jun 2017 07:38:56
Before all the love to moan brigade write their 200 word posts declaring the end of the world , this is a really simple situation. Celtic will accept any bid of 25-30 million for dembele, rightly so, if he wants to go he will go if not he will stay for another season. The management will have a replacement lined up I guarantee you of that .

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04 Jun 2017 08:18:44
There were people moaning last year when we were linked with Scott Sinclair calling him a dud and what a season he had for us. It's always going to happen players move on and it would be foolish if BR and his team hadent thought about replacements we have only finished a week ago after a terrific season we will be stronger again come August.

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04 Jun 2017 09:30:19
Let's not call folk panty wetters.

Celtic should be light years ahead of SPL team and should have been making progress in Europe if our board didn't take the cheap options of late.

Under BR, expectation was we are now thinking like a big club, signing 2 top players and both have been superb this year. Dembele leaving was always on the cards and I do hope it's AC Milan he goes too and not Chelsea or Dortmund. Now Hayes in my opinion is not thinking like a big club, it says it all when your competitors to sign him are all lower level championship teams.

Celtic must sign players 3 levels better than Hayes to make progress in Europe otherwise we finish bottom with no wins for a 2nd year running if we get to the champions league.

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04 Jun 2017 10:33:53
That's the balance / problem we have to bridge kev. Sinclair sums it up (correct me if memory wrong) great in spl but 0 goals 0 assists in europe.

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04 Jun 2017 11:13:22
Didn't realise that DRB.

Sinclair is miles ahead of Hayes as well.

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05 Jun 2017 00:21:31
Knight rider her I am not sure how anyone can quarantee that they can have as good a replacement lined up for Dembele .
Even if we spend every penny we get for Dembele, on a new striker we could find within 3 -6 months that the new striker was a poor imitation for Dembele .

I find this talk of Dembele moving on or leaving, especially by Celtic fans very tiresome as Dembele has said often enough he didn't want to go and the club have said he was going nowhere this season .
MSSM see it as their duty to upset any Celtic fan gullible enough to be upset as Rangers2012 have no money to buy.

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04 Jun 2017 23:56:26
If Hayes is signed then any hope that I had about moving up a gear takes a swift boot in the Charlie's.

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05 Jun 2017 01:32:12
Thanks kev t. Iam not wetting my pants lol, what a childish phrase. I just worry that the board understand our fanatical support, our passion. They know we all love and idolise BR. That's what gets me as lawwell doesn't care about us honest. That's why people like him get so far in life believe everything I know and have seen from personal experience. Albeit dif parameters.

He will be sitting thinking right we have a talented manager here who can within reason get something out of players others can't, but let's be real here is not a magician. And they will think oh we can get mediocre potential targets for cheaper price and develope them. This needs to stop at present I feel. I

know it will always be our business model, but last 16 needs significant investment in the squad, well should say be buying players who can make an I stant impact. And yes we can afford it. Celtic have made millions this season alone from fans. We deserve better. We are not saying win the cl guys, or compete with real etc. but let's try forget some momentum going here.

Do you think Rodgers came in to buy players like Hayes, after loosing Roberts. No I don't believe so. He knows our constraints, but we can't keep expecting him to produce miracles. I feel lawwell is a leech in that he gets every last drop he can with as little input as possible.

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06 Jun 2017 21:30:27
If we sign Hayes, maybe it is because B Rodgers is confident that he can improve Hayes in the same way as he has improved most if not all the players he inherited at Celtic . It appears that some of our fans haven't improved . Still live in the dark old days of criticising for the sake of criticising.

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04 Jun 2017 00:18:33
If there are numerous teams interested in dembele with the likes of chelsea, milan, dortmund etc then why shouldn't we have an auction rather than accepting the first big offer. Even if we get an offer of say 20/ 25 million id knock it back. Sick of us selling players on the cheap. I do appreciate we only paid 500,000 for him but if these teams are serious about him let them bid against each other and let the fee rise.

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05 Jun 2017 00:10:57
I don't believe there is any concrete bid in for Dembele. Speculation only.

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04 Jun 2017 00:12:21
If dembelle goes good luck to him . we have a manager that we all believe in and trust if he buys hayes then so be it. the season has only ended and all ready the panty wetters are on .

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04 Jun 2017 06:58:16
Could not agree more Dempsey, with Big Mick, the lead Panty Wetter. If Moussa wants to go then let him, we all would go if someone was offering us £50K per week. We only want players that want to play for us. Just let Brendan do his job before you have a melt down. Hail Hail.

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