Celtic Banter Archive December 04 2016

 

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04 Dec 2016 16:18:15
Great performance yesterday and we are great to watch, what a difference this season with very little personell change.
My biggest gripe with RD was he never had enough goalscorers in the team.
BR is changing that bit by bit, we now have Moussa and Scott providing goals week in week out with Rogic and Armstrong in supporting roles and Griff backing that up.
Of the 3 main front players 2 out of 3 are scoring regularly this makes me think BR will sign a right sided player as Forrest/ Roberts don't score enough.
Going forward to improve this is where we need a quality player as well as someone alongside Broonie.
Armstrong is doing well and is improving and is very good in the SPL but struggles in Europe for me so that is another position where I think BR will look to bring in.
No surgery required just a tinkering and both those positions if quality brought in would cement the league for a long time and really help with CL qualification year in year out as well as progressing in it.
If I was being greedy maybe a number 10 as Rogic as good as he is maybe suffers in Europe because of the high intensity of the games. But I would be happy with just the 2 and I feel BR knows this already and has plans for it.

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04 Dec 2016 17:30:58
Thers always Scott Allan to come back when his loan deal is up, if only not having enough scoreres in the team wad the only thing wrong with Ronnies mismanagement.

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04 Dec 2016 18:58:58
Aindoh you really are a bitter wee man your like one of those sad bitter divorcee's always harping on about their ex get over it and move on your constant snide digs at Ronny really are boring.

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04 Dec 2016 19:57:01
Hilarious stuff regarding Scott Allan. The guy ain't Celtic class n Rd as well as brendan both saw that, so is brendan wrong 2?or just Rd as that suits your anti Rd agenda? rayman that was your biggest gripe with Rd, could have fooled me, as for not enough goalscorers we had lg, rogic who Rd actually got fit, playing well n scoring, paddy Roberts who scored about 9 or 10 having only been with us a short time last season n the other side Forrest, who when he went off form was replaced by GM's for a bit n Armstrong mostly.
So the only difference is that sinclair has added more goals than Forrest did, rogic has upped his goals ratio (did well last season too) n lg had scored more than moussa had as well.
2 my mind we still have the same amount of scorers on the park, we just have allowed brendan, unlike Rd, to bring in his own players as well as bring in that extra quality, I. e sinclair wide n also dembele instead of ciftci n krichards n the Messiah Alan.
I have to say people like u 2 were probably celebrating the 3 trophies Rd won, all the while slagging the guy off. Give it a rest, he won 3 trophies, won us 4 n 5 in a row so his place in history will always be intact, specially when we do 10 in a row it will be well done to all involved.
Yes brendan has done a fantastic job n I'm very happy with him n how we r sung, where we r n where we r going, but he also has had a lot more help than Rd did so enough with the nonsense, n if your bum chum gordon hadn't been in no man's land against caley thistle Rd would have had a treble in his 1st season.

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04 Dec 2016 19:58:16
big. D, if you want to praise his tenure, you can, but I won't let you rewrite history, just because he is gone.

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04 Dec 2016 20:35:22
I'm not praising his tenure i'm just sick of you being obsessed with complaining about him in every single post you write like a bitter little bitch history will show he won 2 league titles which helped to win 10,11,12 in a row and some of us will remember he had to do it with one arm tied behind his back unlike Brendan Rodgers who has got the full backing of DD and doesn't have john park picking his players for him.

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04 Dec 2016 21:16:15
Spot on big d.
Rayman going forward with what Ed was saying on McCarthy that could then be broonys partner central, although I would like to see Armstrong n Henderson get game time however would be happy with McCarthy. A permanent deal for roberts as when he plays regular he scores n assists regularly, 13 games 6 goals under Rd n a few assists.
Another forward may be a possibility, as the top teams usually have 2 or 3 however a new goalkeeper for me is a must. I felt more certain with Fraser Forster in goal, or an Artur boric than I do with Gordon, n to be fair de Vries didn't look much better but it is a position I'd like us to strengthen.

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04 Dec 2016 21:21:23
Exactly, so what kind of manager does that make him?, letting someone else pick his teams, letting someone else declde his tactics, excuses, excuses, I said at the time you could have given the job to any other manager in the spl, and he would have got better results.

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04 Dec 2016 22:01:42
Bigshaw do not be mistaken, managers DEMAND what they want. RD did not have the conviction or strength of character to demand his signings etc.
BR does that's the level he is at as Rd is not.
The difference is PL would put signings to RD and he would say ok I will take him.
BR now goes to PL and says I want him and it happens.
By the way u said RD had LG as goalscorers and Rogic who he got fit, really? Rogic is still not fit and this is the fittest he ever been. Roberts also got 910.
So u will accept 1 goalscorer and the next in line is on 10 goals, that's the level u want?
Sorry not for me mate, RD was SPL level BR is champions league level.
Not so long ago while RD was in charge we had numerous posters on here telling us we were Europa cup level and we will need to accept that.
How times have changed eh with only the change of a manager who KNOWS what he is doing and DEMANDING more.
Its up to u mate but we can have BR who doing great or RD who would put Armstrong out wide left where Stevie Wonder knew it didn't work.

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04 Dec 2016 22:34:01
RD time at celtic is over let's just celebrate BR New beginning and a good one at that I wasn't a RD fan but I'm not going to kick the man because our new manager has done outstanding things in 6 months RD gave celtic 2 league titles and I'm still grateful for that at the time did we need a change YES did we make the correct one YES so c'mon lads let's move on hh hwgtiar.

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04 Dec 2016 22:46:45
who said other's were picking his teams and tactics? making thing's up to try and justify your obsessive hatred for him Aindoh? he wasn't backed by the club he was the cheap option so Lawwel and park could run thing's and obviously Rodgers has more presence to call the shots because he is a big fish in a small pond why are you not on bitching about Lawwel all the time it was his appointment? as I said before your petty bitching is really boring.

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04 Dec 2016 23:18:13
Am not obsessed with complaining about him big. D, I only respond to fawning little symcophants like yourself, who would probably have supported every crazy decision he made, using some excuse like he had one hand tied behind his back.

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05 Dec 2016 00:02:20
C'mon ghirls give it a rest.

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05 Dec 2016 00:58:22
yeah whatever you say aindoh if you're not obsessed then you would be able to post without mentioning Ronny i shall watch closely to see how you fair but my feeling is you will be slagging him off till you find another obsession to moan about why not start trolling Argos online or amazon and complain about your old toaster from 10 years ago that burnt your toast.

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05 Dec 2016 08:02:48
if the stories about RD are true ( players picked, cheap option etc) , then imo he should be given respect. end of the day he left with two titles and a cup, got us into latter stages of a euro cup. with one hand behind his back.

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05 Dec 2016 12:29:04
Ok, bigD, won't mention him again, after today, but if you read bhoywonderders post, do you think he should command respect if things were like that, or do you you think he should command the opposite of respect, no, don't bother answering, we will never agree, that's me finished with it, i will let yhe worshippers worship in peace.

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05 Dec 2016 16:11:49
Glad to hear you have given up bitching about Ronny in every post Aindoh you were sounding like a broken record.

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05 Dec 2016 18:32:58
Stop picking on Aindoh . He has to rely on the radio for watching Celtic, so give him some slack.

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05 Dec 2016 19:06:59
super scoreboard fan huh it's starting to make sense now.

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05 Dec 2016 20:21:01
No Oldbhoy, I listen to the tv, but I might start watching the radio.

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05 Dec 2016 21:02:44
Rayman, Ed has explained in detail a lot of the goings on behind the scenes with pl n JP running things to suit themselves, the manager signed, Rd, n stipulations came with the job, he either refuses the job or takes it because he still feels he can do something despite having his hands tied from the start, coaching staff picked already, gordon already signed, n despite all that bar blatant cheating n your buddy gordon costing us the game against inverness n Rd would have Barcelona treble in his 1st season, n despite calamity Gordon's howler we almost still won the game. Not bad for a guy supposedly not very good.
If u want o look at things sensibly u will realise that rogic was going nowhere under Lennon, was out on loan also n I can mind many on here reckoning that was the end for him, n nobody really batted an eyelid about him not featuring, bar a few on here.
Under Rd they managed to deal with injuries which hampered him n get him fitter than he had been, he also scored a number of good goals n some big 1s, up at Kilmarnock to pretty much seal the title, not that it was ever in doubt.
He has maintained his injury free self n his fitness has continued to improve n with more starts he is scoring n influencing more games, so credit to Rd.
Also as for rogic not fit, jeez he just lasted 90 plus minutes n looked pretty fit all game as well as scoring late in the game, so your wrong again, but then u also believe gordon wasn't way off his line in no man's land for the 1st.
Kt also was trusted by Rd n given game time n prospered.
Roberts was outstanding under Rd in only a short period n over a whole season would have scored n assisted a load more the way he was playing, Griff also scored a barrel load, the only 1 light on goals n assists was Forrest. Armstrong still was pretty consistent from the lift, attacking players should be able to start from anywhere, as inevitably a 3 behind the 1 have room to float about, they ain't stuck to the 1 area of the park, as for central mid johansen brown n biton were the more effective 1st season n Armstrong came in with GM's n made a big impact. However both of them said at the time that the level of training was way higher than at united n it took them a bit to get used to, as no doubt did playing for a club our size, n don't forget brendan played him at right back n he was the new cafu, I'm sure if Rd did that he would be lauded the same eh, I think not, he played him left of a 3 n he is wrong for doing that.
Rd gave us three trophies, which I celebrated, god knows whether u did or u were too busy trying to figure out what to criticise Rd for next.
Brendan has been aloud so much more freedom because Dermot stepped in, with pl no longer in charge as such.
This was also evident under Lennon, the park n lawell show, n it had ran it's course.
With a bit of backing n a decent calibre of player, Rd got results, n if supported at the right times, a proper striker in to compete with Griffith's, he was given ciftci, brendan got dembele, he was left without a defence near the European qualifiers n we didn't bring in simo till after, despite virgil being for the off n denayer away. In his first season we got some quality in loans, guidetti n denayer n we looked a good side n won 2 trophies when it should have been 3. Season 2 we don't get quality in, n too many are still in the squad who should have moved on, but lawell was in charge of that, even being stupid enough to give commons another contract despite Rd clearly not wanting him, he had the say on transfers clearly did lawell, given rd's first meeting with Scott Allan on the day he signed proved. These were things he had to put up with, most managers, including brendan have issues they need to deal with, for instance brendan wasn't in control of transfers when at liverpool
n at Swansea it was part of his deal to play youth so others do also have to accept certain stipulations. So it isn't a stick to try n beat Rd with as in being weak, load of rubbish.
As for champions league standard, despite great efforts this season n some bad luck here n there, MacGregor chance in Germany, toure mistakes at parkhead n dembele missed pen over on Spain things could have been so much better. However we finished bottom of the group.
Under Rd we lost out on champions league football due to some poor goals conceded, which has also happened under br,1 St set of qualifiers came too early for him, virgil was at fault for 2 in the next 1s n was then sold, his replscemt should already have been in, simo, as I feel virgil was too busy eyeing a move n that cost us champions league.
So small details do matter as they say but when it was Rd a number of folk couldn't wait for us to drop a point, or blame him for this that n the other, does he makes Craig gordon blunder numerous times n Griff missed a pen so it must be rd's mistake for picking him, as for gordon we had nobody else good enough to play. Even the Roberts miss, which he moved on from n was on fire after it, if that goes in things are completely different.
Unlike u I was happy with Rd, with limited resources n backing I thought he did a great job, I I think with more resources n backing that br is doing a great job too n I am happy at where we are, u could say it's expected that brendan a should do a treble based on some of u punters views on what is deemed at Celtic.
Me I will always celebrate winning trophies, not trying to have s go at somebody all because of my bias against them for whatever reason, leave it there Rd won trophies, brendan I'd now going to, bring on ten in a row n as many trophies as possible in our glorious future.
Hail hail.

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04 Dec 2016 14:14:37
Good ass quiz lads. name the three players who all played in the same Celtic team that have one a champions league UEFA cup and world cup.

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04 Dec 2016 14:27:12
They've all won each?

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04 Dec 2016 14:40:52
Henchoz uefa cup
Larrsson champions league
Lambert champions league
Juninho World Cup
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04 Dec 2016 14:43:29
Juninho, Henchoz, Lambert?

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04 Dec 2016 15:06:41
Well done lads henchoz UEFA cup. Lambert champions league and Juninho World Cup.

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04 Dec 2016 15:22:13
did bellamy win uefa cup also?

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04 Dec 2016 16:32:09
Love questions like this and the well beck one, keep them coming!

Also totally forgot that henchoz played for us!

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04 Dec 2016 12:55:34
While he has been unfortunate to get injured and lose his place it seems lg is picking up little strains and illnesses to stop him making the bench lately. If possibly he has the hump and could maybe see opportunities elsewhere I'd be surprised if we got anywhere near 2 million for him.

Does anyone think this possible link with Rhodes could be a replacement for Leigh if he was thinking of parting or more to the point, br was thinking of parting him? As much as he done well for us and has obviously improved and settled down for us, I can't help but think when we come up against higher class defenders or teams he maybe looks like he struggles . What do people generally think?

The way br wants to improve the side, I can't see him standing still with players. If he thinks there is no more improvement any player could be replaced possibly.

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04 Dec 2016 13:02:37
No thank you I'd much rather have wee griff, don't particularly like Rhodes tho I suppose he has the potential to be a success but better the devil you kno.

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04 Dec 2016 15:30:52
Rhodes does not have pace which is essential at the highest level. Would stick with Griffiths.

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04 Dec 2016 15:40:06
I don't think many Celtic supporters are wanting to get rid of L G who had flu-like symptoms all week and so Brendan didn't want to risk him .
For what reason should any Celt encourage Leigh to think of moving.

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04 Dec 2016 16:31:00
Who are the celts that are encouraging Leigh griffiths to leave old boy? None of the above posts have told him to leave plus I'd be very surprised if any of the players read these pages to gain an opinion on whether to stay at a club or not. It's a genuine question as he's gone from top scorer last year to second or third fiddle this season if you include Sinclair as an option. If people from the club read your posts we would probably still have Ronnie as our manager 👀.

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04 Dec 2016 17:11:32
I'd be extremely disappointed if LG is allowed to leave. For (1) no LG last year no league title and (2) while Dembelle has been outstanding there is a question mark over how long he'll be here. Then where will we be. Surely it's a long and hard enough season to accommodate both? 🍀 PS: plus LG is the possibly the best Christmas elf we've ever had.

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04 Dec 2016 18:31:43
I wouldn't disagree jfp about trying to keep him happy although it will be hard with the current way we play as a side as we only really go one up top. If say br rests dembele and Leigh comes in and scores a few goals he would understandably be unhappy to be dropped for dembele. But I really can't see him dropping dembele for a run of games at the minute . In saying that at least we aren't discussing trying to fit in garner, waghorn or that Ned miller 👍.

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04 Dec 2016 19:27:34
This kind of tripe irks me. LG was one of the few success stories last year, He's really turned his game / life around. I just feel these types of rumours breed bad feeling.

I hope he stays and fights for his place. Why do we need to put a value on him, why does there have to be a 'fall out' story?

Players who want to leave as soon as their not first pick show bad attitude in my opinion.
Competition is good.

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04 Dec 2016 20:21:42
Think Brendan, will change the system, and when LG is fit, will play Dembelle up with Griffiths playing just off him.

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04 Dec 2016 20:23:35
What happened to Ciftci, did he go out on loan, or did he get sold.

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04 Dec 2016 23:16:32
Think griff has more to his game does not have to be centre forward. could do a job on either wing.

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04 Dec 2016 23:34:48
This talk of LG is incredible. He deserves to be in and around first eleven. He was dynamite pre injury and on form. I may be in a minority here but dembele press day after day and the 10 20 30 40 million is laughable. I like by MD but I remain of the view that he has chalked up many many many many unmerited minutes when his performances ( all round ) have been indifferent. Lag deserves ( when fit ) more minutes. Whether that is a top two or MD going off after 60 and not 84 minutes may be an idea?

Love where CFC are taking things at present

Delighted for Armstrong. Hopefully biton responds. Forest keeps going. Roberts coming back strong too. Sinclair and tierney reintroduced would be great!

Some already talking about targets and positions. i'd say three areas requiring upgrades. Goalkeeper ( maybe the lad at Dundee who I like very much and 24 ) and then another starting midfielder to ultimately replace brown out who can play alongside. A petrov type who can tackle as tackling ( softness ) still seems to be a potential weakness. I know McCarthy was mentioned but I wonder if he could play in a fast moving mobile team?

It's a good sign when you struggle to pick a position for upgrade. Surely?

4 goals in a half of football in any top league is impressive especially with a two goal handicap. So hats off.

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05 Dec 2016 11:51:27
The Inverness keeper always does well against us just a thought.

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04 Dec 2016 12:34:16
Didn't get the game, but that seemed like a rollercoaster.
Did Rogic look fit for the full 90?

Never good to lose goals, but to come back from behind shows great character in my opinion.

Was it a tactical switch at half time that changed the game?

If so credit to the manager.

I seen Mark McGhee was upset with our backroom staff? Was he justified?

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04 Dec 2016 13:08:47
Rogic did well the whole 90 do him the world of good never saw anything with mcghee during coverage but brendan saying today he moved our team when they were doing there warm up bit petty but think it was Chris Davies he had the hump with just a sore loser.

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04 Dec 2016 14:05:24
BR saw early on that Izagurrie was in trouble and took him off, at half time he switched Toure and Simonovic over and pushed Macgregor into midfield. The upshot was the defence looked better and the midfield took control, The goals came from midfielders breaking into the box sure in the knowledge that they had cover behind.

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04 Dec 2016 14:50:58
Jonace: Me thinks you are BR in disguise. lol.

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04 Dec 2016 15:32:10
McGhee spat he dummy last season as well when he lost the match. He is just a sore loser.

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04 Dec 2016 15:45:40
Many of us knew that Rogic could play 90 minutes if necessary. Many thought that Brendan was taking him off because it gave the manager opportunity to switch things round with minimum personnel changes .
Like Lustig before him, managers tend to not over play players who have been troubled with multiple injuries . These and Rogic's travelling for Internationals mean that although he can play 90 mins, he only does when necessary.

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04 Dec 2016 21:51:56
I just cannot believe Gordon is getting stick! It's the first goals he has conceded domestically for ages and some of his saves recently - especially the one against Barcelona - have been brilliant. Bloody hell - did we win the game or am I dreaming?!

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{Ed007's Note - No, we lost that game 2-0, we're talking about his performance yesterday. You're saying that he wasn't at fault for either of Motherwell's goals yesterday and because he does pull off some good saves we're not allowed to talk about his mistakes? How many times since he signed for Celtic has he been beaten at his near post?
Nobody's giving Gordon any stick, we're discussing his mistakes from yesterday and if you read it back he has been praised for his shot-stopping in the thread.
So if Gordon wasn't out of position for Motherwell's first goal what the hell was he actually doing just standing where he was?

04 Dec 2016 12:33:41
i see mcghee made an arse of himself again with the celtic coaching staff.

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04 Dec 2016
New image uploaded to the
Celtic Player Sightings page entitled, Steven the mad Irishman from braveheart

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04 Dec 2016 15:25:32
The bold mick hahaha.

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04 Dec 2016 11:54:51
I really can't understand the constant Craig Gordon bashing with some of our support!

Every goal we concede somehow seems to be Craigs fault, its ridiculous! The fist goal yesterday, i'm hearing he could have done better! but who expected the boy Moult to do that! why can't people just accept it was a brilliant goal which no goalkeeper could do anything about, the other 2 goals he was badly exposed by the defence!

Yes, he took a dip in form but since being dropped by Brendan Rodgers I think Craig Gordon has been outstanding! Get off his back!

On the plus side great game to watch yesterday, team showed plenty of guts and character to wine that game. If Tom Rogic can add a bit of consistency to his game we could have a hell of a player there!

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{Ed007's Note - For the first goal Gordon would have made it a lot more difficult if he had stayed on his line, so we can't question why was he standing so far off his line? He was standing in no man's land ball watching and expecting Toure to get it when he should have been thinking what happens if Toure doesn't get it, it was very poor positioning and rank rotten decision making by Gordon in reading the game.
The second goal? There's nothing to say except he was beaten at his near post for the umpteenth time AND he got a very weak hand to it again for the umpteenth time.
It's the same mistakes all the time and he simply doesn't seem to be learning from them, every team we play know he is weak at his near post and will try and expose him there.}

04 Dec 2016 13:53:41
Didn't see game yesterday Ed007 but think criticism based on recent performances is a tad harsh. He's been excellent apart from booting the odd player in the heid and in my opinion is a first class shot stopper. All keepers have howlers at times. On the other hand Toure for me is Brendan's one failed experiment and a bomb scare and would be better going down the road in January 🍀.

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{Ed007's Note - Gordon is excellent at reactionary saves but when he needs to think about things it usually goes horribly wrong, and Rodgers looks for a lot more than a shot stopper in his GK. Watch his positioning for the first goal yesterday.



I still wouldn't be at all surprised to see Rodgers try and bring in a new No.1 before the CL qualifiers next year.}

04 Dec 2016 14:26:53
Defeinately too far off line for first goal as you said Ed Bond only slack I'd cut him is that goal came that early in the game he hardly had time to get on it 😀 Agreed also beat at near post which shouldn't happen but guy took it very well and would still stop short of calling it a howler. Think he's improved with ball as his feet as well. I still rate him Ed but Toure proves it doesn't matter how could you WERE we've all got a shelf life and sell by date. On a positive note some strike from Rogic on his other foot after 90 minutes as well and Armstrong is starting to look a player. Cheers Ed.

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04 Dec 2016 15:57:41
I hate to criticise any player, especially Gordan who has been in quite good form recently . Gordon must have been day dreaming for the first goal . His positioning was so bad that it was very easy for Moult to lob him .
The reason those goals are so scarce is that keepers don't make it so easy for the striker.

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04 Dec 2016 15:59:59
To even think about blaming Gordon for 1st goal is ludiscrous. It was a quality goal end of.
I with you martin some people look for a mistake when we lose a goal and its "Gordon should a done this or that" etc.
Just for the record anybody with an ounce of football knowledge knows NO goalie stands on his line when the other team is attacking esp when the defense is exposed, they are taught to come out to narrow angles and make it difficult for the striker to score.
If the keeper stood on his line the striker could walk the ball up and put it where he pleases.
Yet again if u watching the EPL u would a saw 20m goalies fumble easy shots over the weekend and lose goals, or nowhere at a cross, or parry straight out only for striker to finish.
All these keepers will be classed better than Gordon yet they make more mistakes than him.
Did u see the Liverpool goalie ed lol.

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04 Dec 2016 18:50:29
I have said it many times that he's hopeless at the near post and crosses into the box. Good shot stopper but hopefully a good keeper is brought in this summer.

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04 Dec 2016 18:49:27
Ed I was being kind to Gordon for the 2nd, god help me if I hadn't with his fan club in town haha keeper getting beaten at his near post is criminal u learn that from a young age. Rayman, as for those with football knowledge what should have happened in that situation was Gordon should have been able to see the play develop so whether his position was 18 yards or half way between the edge of the box n the goal line he could still see it unfold, once he sees the ball being played over the top, as Ed says he should be thinking what needed done if Toure gets beaten, that's calledtoure beaten by the flight of the ball, criminal for a defender too, I should know I was one, then Gordon at this point either comes right out n ensures he takes the ball. If he thinks he can't then he needs to drop back n allow the defender to try n recover. The defender should then be trying to nudge the striker wide n getting in a better position, this all the while puts us in a better position defensively as our defender is tight or at least close enough to the striker n should have at least pushed the striker to where he was at an angle on any attempted shot, with this Gordon is then in a better position to do what he is meant to do, stop goals from being scored as the player has to hit on an angle with less of a target to aim for making it harder to score. Then both would have done their part in stopping a goal. However by being where he was he left a massive target n while the boy took it well it was a pretty simple finish, Skippy scored a few like that when he played 4 us.
And as for staying on his line, if u want to be literal withe things, I never said he had to be on his line n stay there, what is this now the Scott Allan world of football where players can't move from the 1 spot because they're playing whatever position, so they have to stay in that one spot, u really r having a laugh. Gordon should have been no more than about 3 to 5 yards off his line n if u watch it again he was peddling back n was lobbed while just outside his penalty box, meaning he was too far out to start, poor goalkeeping.
Funny if it had been last season folk like u would have been using these type of mistakes to have a go at Rd for playing him or whatever. N efe Ambrose is fine to be criticised n abused but that's ok? despite the fact that up until the juventus game under Lennon, he had been quality n part of a strong defence with Kelvin Wilson n gordon can't have made too many less mistakes than efe but it's ok it's only efe.
I give my opinion on players, but I don't ever slag them personally or shout any of the crap I've heard, by some not all, on here but mostly at parkhead n the crap people talk about 1 of our own players, despite his failings, is just bang out of order, the moaning n constant sighs etc if he did anything untoward, as Ed mentioned the booing of johansen as well but some of us come out n tell the game as it happened n what mistakes were made n by who n that's supposedly wrong. While being critical not once did I say drop him, or he's garbage, I will back him while he plays for us but I do feel we need a better keeper n i ain't the only 1 to think that. Toure was poor for both goals n should have done way better, but for me that problem will be solved as big erik n simo r n should be our first choice centre backs, toure is really just backup in my opinion.

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{Ed007's Note - I got as far as this in Ray's post and gave up.

'NO goalie stands on his line when the other team is attacking'

04 Dec 2016 19:19:35
for me it was Toure's fault pure and simple he didn't judge the flight of the ball not for the fist time seems it's not the best part of his game and he got turned by Moult then Moult scored a sweet volley if he had let the ball bounce Gordon may have had a chance and the fact that he wasn't on his line is probably due to the fact that Rodgers wants a sweeper keeper and Gordon has been trying to add that to his game.

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{Ed007's Note - Toure mistimed the header and let Moult in, so any time a striker is through on goal we shouldn't expect the GK to do anything? Well we've got the right man for the job there.
You can also say Gordon didn't judge the flight of the ball and that's why he was so far off his line, he was in two minds whether to come for it and was caught out.
And if Rodgers wants him to play as a sweeper-keeper he failed to do that too so he was at fault there, either way he was out of position and along with Toure's mistimed jump it cost us a goal. The 'keeper should be reading the game to get himself into the best position to save the ball, Gordon didn't do that, him expecting Toure to get his head to it is no excuse.
I can't understand how anyone with working eyes can't see if Gordon was further back Moult couldn't have attempted to lob him, he would have needed to volley it and chances are he would probably have skelped it over or wide or both.
Craig Gordon must be the only 'keeper in world football that is never responsible or at fault for any goals his team concedes, thankfully the Celtic manager sees it differently.}

04 Dec 2016 22:17:54
Well I know you dislike Gordon so there is no point arguing with you 007 but for me, the keepers positioning is inconsequential when the ball should not have gotten past Toure making him the guilty party so i suppose we shall have to agree to disagree.

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{Ed007's Note - So what exactly was Gordon doing, nobody defending him can tell me that. Watch it again and Gordon has a clear view of the ball, Toure and Moult, why was he not in a better position? Do you disagree that he would have had a better chance of stopping it or forcing Moult to crack a volley if he had been 2 or 3 steps nearer his goal?
Watch the replay of it from behind the Motherwell goal and tell me why he isn't in a better position, from the replay you can see Gordon knows Toure isn't getting that and he does nothing but crouch down and wobble his legs. It actually makes it look even worse when you see it from that angle. Once the ball is over Toure's head it's down to Gordon to do something - that's a GK's job and just like Toure messed up his positioning so did Gordon, 2 or 3 steps back the way and Moult can't lob him, it's really that straightforward.
My dislike of Gordon is neither here nor there and you're simply throwing that in because you've realised you're defending the indefensible, you're not justifying anything by any argument or fact. I'm pointing out the specific mistakes he made and all you've got is that I don't like Gordon?}

05 Dec 2016 00:50:21
The point I was trying to make was that Gordon's positioning whether it was incorrect or not he is the one on this site getting the majority of the pelter's for that goal when in actual fact if the defender (Toure) had done his job correctly then Moult would not have been able to shoot never mind score a goal and sorry but your dislike of Gordon is here or there because you already have a biased opinion and, to be honest i don't care I'm not a huge Gordon fan myself I just don't like when people ignore fault's of some player's and highlight any tiny mistake made by other player's (and I don't mean you when I say that) but for me if it had been Ambrose instead of Toure who had made the mistakes we wouldn't even be discussing Gordon and that's the issue I was trying to highlight.

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{Ed007's Note - I don't see Gordon getting pelters - it's you that and a couple of others that got a tad excited when I pointed out his mistakes. And you obviously do care or you wouldn't get unvolved in the discussion.
So you do agree he was out of position for the first and beaten at his near post yet again for their second? It wouldn't matter if it was Efe Ambrose, Tony Montana or Bruce Lee that mistimed the ball - Gordon was still out of position.
Did you watch the Bournemouth v Liverpool match - I suppose it was the Bournemouth defenders fault that Boruc messed up big time for Liverpool's second goal? Do you think Mane's shot would have went if Boruc stayed on his line or would he even have taken the shot if he looked up and seen Boruc on his line?
We've got posters on here that come on saying Izzy and Brown's, finished, Armstrong isn't good enough, Commons should be playing rather than Rogic after we were beaten by Barca, yet when the GK ships 2 goals against a honking Motherwell side but we're not allowed to mention it.}

05 Dec 2016 16:04:40
didn't see the bournmouth game i'll just take your word for it.

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05 Dec 2016 16:44:10
The first he should have anticipated Toure might miss it and come to challenge, that would have put him off possibly.

The second I felt he should have stopped. He got a hand to it and if again anticipated he would have allowed more strength to put the ball round the post.

No player is above criticism. We all have a view and that's all it is. Gordon I think will know he could have done better with both. If he doesn't, I would suggest he studies them
both again.

Still, it allowed a test of metal. We passed that test and psychologically the team will benefit more from recovering from those goals than they would have if he had saved them.

Every player can improve, pointing that out us not an act of treason. We want them to get better. They should too.

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05 Dec 2016 19:17:12
Goodness me we now have someone say it was an easy finish for Moult.
Any pro will tell u that the most difficult skill in the game is taking a ball over your shoulder and volleying it into the net.
The guy made it look easy because he caught it sweet, just like Van Persie did with his famous goal. They will prob try that 100 times and be successful less that 10 %.
The time it takes for Kolo to miss it and Moult to volley must be a fraction of a second but we have people saying Gordon should have come or gone back lol.
Don't know about u guys but a fraction of a second and its happened before anyone can react.
Also the 2nd goal has been described as he was beaten at his near post yet AGAIN.
Sorry but for me he is beaten at his far post as at the point of delivery he is at the near post and the ball delivered to his BACK post.
The point of a back post cross is that the keeper has to travel from his near post to his back post and usually if cross delivered well (which it was) he has not enough time to get there and if he does has no time to react as its at point blank range (which it was) .
Me thinks some are criticising for criticising sakes.
Ed me and u have had many debates on Gordon and we will never agree but when he has made mistakes I have come on here and said so.
I even had the odd go at him myself about his mistakes but these are not 2 of them.
My main point is that during the Euros many keepers made howlers much worse than Gordons and these guys are worth 20m plus and u see the same in EPL and Spanish, german leagues.
But u all expect Gordon to be better than these guys.

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04 Dec 2016 11:36:04
Ed here is a wee challenge for you. What is the earliest the league has ever been won? Do you think we can beat the record?

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{Ed007's Note - Without looking it up I don't have a clue but remembering that there used to be only 2 points for a win I'd say we'd have a chance of beating it.}

04 Dec 2016 20:39:53
O'niell had it won before easter once. Think that's the earliest a can think of. Not sure of the year tho.

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04 Dec 2016 08:37:36
Question for ed or anyone who knows, if big virgil went to man city, for silly money like we all know the epl pays what kind of percent would we get if it was say 30 or 40 million?
Also if it was enough do you think we could waive the fee or add abit to keep paddy Roberts permanent.
Don't post so much but always read and a great site with some brilliant posts/ banter. Keep up the good work.

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{Ed007's Note - Thanks mate. We have a sell on clause of 10% on any profit Southampton make, Rob so if van Dijk goes for £40 million that's £27 profit so we'd get £2.7 million. It has nothing to do with City, that money comes from Southampton.}

04 Dec 2016 13:48:36
There is reports of a 25 million clause in his contract?

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04 Dec 2016 11:31:36
Even at 2 nil down I thought we would come back to win. It's been a long number of years since I have felt a Celtic team were capable of that. In the words of a Celtic great "there's a buzz about the place" hail hail 🍀.

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04 Dec 2016 12:27:35
Me too. Not that I didn't have a squeaky moment when they went 3-2 up. Without KT Sincy and by Schev it showed we can fight. You're and Izzy were poor and the sooner all three are back the happier we will all be.

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04 Dec 2016 03:16:20
Dont really post much anymore but still keep an eye on everything. Anyway just want to say how pleased I am for big Tam. Takes so much stick for fitness etc but today, in a game like that he produces nothing short of brilliance in the 90th minute.

Yes, the final minute of a gruelling game. Also I feel credit is due to the gaffer. Two nil down at half time, it would be so easy to try make some changes but until injury time the only sub was when Izzy went off in the first half. Delighted with the bhoys this season. The impending treble will be well deserved.

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04 Dec 2016 08:34:17
Refreshing to see a manager that can see problems early and make the change that affects the game and not for the first time this season well done that man.

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