Celtic Banter Archive September 03 2014

03 Sep 2014 19:38:25
Hi Ed, reading your post that guidetti mite not get
Sorted til Friday! What are FIFA takin so long for? Surely if all the paperwork was in order it's just a matter of sayin yes or no! And how can cleverly going to villa get sorted the day after and ours is Friday! Are u still confident we'll get him Ed? I'm not to sure!

{Ed007's Note - Yes I'm still confident.}

03 Sep 2014 21:33:32
Hi ed do you have any idea what has happened to hamiltonbhoy it's been a long time possibly 2/3 months since any post from him.killy.

{Ed007's Note - I don't, sorry.}

Was wondering the same. Hope he's sound. I know from how things were going/ have continued to, like myself he was a bit P'd off so could just be lying low for a wee while.

03 Sep 2014 18:49:51
So did we get this Swedish boy or what Iam confused ha?

{Ed007's Note - There's no news yet.}

03 Sep 2014 20:22:44
Kayal just scored against Villareal 1-0 to the Hoops.

03 Sep 2014 13:44:15
Hi Ed can I ask

How long do you think this Guidettl situ could run mate a know it is the preverbal "piece of spring" response a should be getting

But surely @ FIFA even bearing in mind they could go through these in a PREFERABLE LEAGUE SETTING sense ie the Tom Cleverly deal getting done etc and us being "further down the chain" a just cannot see there now being that many "outstanding cases"

The prospect of it "rumbling on" so to speak do you sure the view that "abject clarity" on it should be no more than say 24hrs away?

ATVB JB7

{Ed007's Note - I'm hearing it could be Friday before we know, Jamie.}

Thanks for that Ed, have to say a never thought that it had that "mileage" in it

Roll on Friday ;-)

{Ed007's Note - It's ridiculous.}

03 Sep 2014 15:09:57
Who was responsible for the delay in the first place?
Was it anything to do with the Scottish football authorities thinking he was still registered to Stoke or was it something between the player and CFC? Just curious, because if CFC weren't, at fault, it,s more likely to go our way.

{Ed007's Note - If anything it is Man City's fault, if they had sent the correct documentation in the first place none of this would have happened, CFC and the SFA/SFPL done everything they needed to.}

Ed what would the chance be of man city releasing him? And do u think he would sign for us still if on a free contract?

{Ed007's Note - If City freed him it opens up another can of worms, you have to have been a free agent before 23.00 on the 1st of September to be allowed to be registered. If he was released today nobody would be allowed to register him until January when the next window opens.}

03 Sep 2014 07:18:28
Poll of the Day - Should RD be given until at least Christmas to prove his worth?

I think he will unless there's a string of seriously bad results.

I know there's always the arguments about its Lennon's Team but he's been asked to use tactics to beat Dundee, ICT etc. If he can't do this, then he's not up to the job in my opinion and he shouldn't need new players for this. Europe is a different story.

At this moment in time and after the performances against Legia, Maribor, ICT and Dundee, my confidence in Ronny is low again.

03 Sep 2014 08:59:24
Simple tactical/selection switches changed a team that qualified for CL group stages and win league at a canter to something shambolic and totally lacking any sort of confidence.
As for it being NLs team, I think it was over influenced by the now stringent housekeeping policies of the present board.A bit of strengthening last season might have resulted in a 3 place in CL group. He done reasonably well with what he had at his disposal.
Can RD continue this trend of doing reasonably well with what he has? To date there's nothing to suggest he can.
With the addition of 1 and now looking most likely 2 decent strikers, not gifted to our last manager last season, he has been given a chance to turn his present trend. TIC TOCK.

A think the reason a was so vocal is we were entering realms was because we were moving beyond the realms of tactics/decision making/structure we are "teetering into the realms" of no fight, no shape, no heart, so that rules any chance of Flair!

A don't know of any Celtic fan that does not want him to succeed because even if you don't like the fact that he was the 4th or 5th or cheap option IF HE fails then it is the whole "re boot" "start from scratch" mode ALL over again

I think he really needs to get a grip of the situ very very quickly personally I don't think he will survive a "cup shock" but on the face of it as far as we can see we are creating about 5 chances a game now, we are used to being the "victim of the deflected goal" and a team pinching a point off of us! Now in the case of Sunday that was what we needed, If our game is based on "fight rather than flair" "guts to get the glory" FINE by me! but this reminds me so much of John Barnes telling us going to Dundee or Dundee Utd ( he never knew the difference if a remember) then telling us this is going to be TOUGH! am sorry folks we are used to not only winning these games but winning them 7/8 out of 10 comfortably! Please Ronny just let us see something get us back in the FIGHT of the game!

I kind of feel sorry for him on that touchline if am honest, I think I was one of the first to say he looks out of depth, rabbit in the headlines etc but we are used to seeing our management team almost conversing "huddle like" trying to figure each game, he is cutting a lonely lonely figure on that touchline folks so either they are "hanging him out to dry", or asking themselves "what are you playing at" A rather suspect it will unfold very very quickly next 6 games will give us referral points let's hope it is positive, let's hope at that point we are at the top of our league a don't think that is too much to ask!

ATVB JB7

September/October will be make or break and the signs so far are grim.
The Board have covered themselves with an influx of loan signings rather than serious financial commitment and I think they are as worried as us about their economy appointment.
The poor guy looks overwhelmed and very alone and it's not the first time our recruitment of Celtic manager has mis-fired - Brady, Vengloss, Barnes and Mowbray among others have all found it to be beyond their capability.

I really hope we do turn the corner and normally we would look to our more experienced players to share the burden and lift the team, but we have been short of motivators and 'leaders' on the pitch for a while.
Indeed our senior players have struggled to find any kind of form or inspiration at all so far.
I hope there are no injuries after the Internationals and we can also get a look at the new arrivals and see if there is any improvement?

TTTS as per usual you never fail to dissapoint talking absolute nonsense!

You seem to forget in lennons first full season in charge, Rangers (r.i.p) were winning the league by a good points difference AND IT TOOK LENNON UNTILL NOVEMBER TO GET HIS TACTICS RIGHT AND CLOSE GAP!

Also conviently you have forgotten to mention that in lennons first season, braga put us out champions league and we got in europa league by default (sion)

Too many people on this quick to slate Ronny Delia when lennon has made similar mistakes!

My only issue with Delia was playing Ambrose againist Dundee after shocker of a game againist Maribor.

He deserves to be given a chance till christmas.

@DN its funny how you havin a go at people for slating RD.All YOU ever did was slate Lennon, what's the difference?

@rayman RD is only just in the door. Give him a chance. Lennon got his chance why not give RD the same?

You tell me one thing I said in previous post that was inaccurate or false? Cause its interesting to note that nobody has compared lennon start to Delia start as manager

Yes your right, I did slate lennon with valid reason which I standby. If RD doesn't pull things around by november it will be the same scenario.

I still think we have to give him a chance to get his own style in place we now have three new pli potetialy four that have not yet playedso I for one would give him until at least Christmas

The difference here is Lennon won most of his games against inferior opposition without ever been a manager before. RD has not played a good team yet all have been inferior/smaller teams and he can't beat them with same players Lennon did. Now I could understand your argument if we had beenplaying top quality opposition.Any Celtic manager should have won all our competitive games so far (with odd exception) as we have played nobody.

{Ed007's Note - NL's cup record proves he didn't win a lot of important games against inferior opposition. Are you happy with our recent cup record?}

Hi Ed if Ed 001 is running low on Polls of the day between DN30 & Rayman we could have who do you think would get the first (or last word) in the huddle between the 2 of them ;-)? Or if they were "boxers" who wid be the last 1 standing? A suspect in the first instance we could aw get cramp from being in that crouched position? in the second it could even go SIXTY rounds lol

Am only kidding to you both of course we all "bat for the one side on here" it is healthy to have a differing opinion from time to time but slagging matches are for the "sevco sufferer's" IMO atvb to you both JB7 ;-)

03 Sep 2014 15:16:34
While I was a fan of lemnos,his time in the celtic hotseat can be described as successful, if u don't count cups,but he's gone now and ronnys the boss,while iam not convinced he's the right man for the job,I will b very happy if he succeds, only time will tell. HH

Ed his cup record is constantly brought up. Cup games are a 1 off every manager out there has horrible cup games (Re LVG MK Dons).Losing to Morton is the same as us beating Barca every dog has its day.The point here is Lennon won most of the games, RD is not doing that against inferior opposition.More importantly Lennon got them playing when he took over as they were all low on confidence.RD has taken on a team high in confidence, a team who only lost 1 league game, got shut out record, and got us to CL.Yet he preaches high quality football I don't see it do you?

{Ed007's Note - Is every game not a one off, whether it is in a league or a cup? My point is, in important games, NL's record is not as good as you are making out. His cup record is diabolical considering there was no Rangers to challenge. 2 Scottish Cup wins out of a possible 9 domestic cup competitions was simply not good enough.
Including the semi-final defeat to Ross County, Celtic have been dumped out of both the Scottish and League Cup seven times after losing to St Mirren, Hearts, Kilmarnock, Morton, Aberdeen and Rangers. Just to make matters even worse, last season was the first season since 1981/82 and only the fourth time since World War II that Celtic haven’t made the quarter-finals of any of the two domestic cup competitions. That is consistent failure, not the odd one-off freak result.}

Rayman the difference is lennon inheriated a squad that was better than the one RD was blessed with. We have went back 4 years regards quality and that's bad.

Lmao jamiebhoy7

Nice 1 Jamie lol . we do have a differing opinion, but the only 1 who slags other people off and insults them is DN, he rarely posts a thread he only comes on to have a go.

I know his cup record is bad ed I not defending it, I just saying it could happen to anyone. He won the important games. In the grand scheme of things and most important to Celtic is the league 1st CL 2nd then come the cups. RD has not played a cup game lol.

{Ed007's Note - That's just nonsense, Ray, you were happy to lose a cup final to Kilmarnock because we won the league were you, and you're saying that a cup final against Rangers (that would have given us a treble that season) wasn't an important game? I beg to differ.}

Hows voicing an opinion slagging people off? Rayman if you can't handle heat get out the kitchen

03 Sep 2014 17:07:17
From recent threads I take it rayman like myself think lennon done a good job,whereas Dn30 could b considered a lennon hater,Ed is the neutral referee Wi the facts and stats,lol, HH

DaBhoyBhoy its all banter. I know people think I hate Lennon but I dont. Just didn't rate him as a manager. There is a wee agenda on this forum with some people, if you didn't rate lennon then you hate him. cause they have no reasonable argument to suggest otherwise

Dabhoybhoy we ain't even @ extra time yet mate never mind pens lol :-)

atvb

What happened to my post ed? @DN all you ever do is bring him up in nearly every post if that not an agenda I don't what is.

{Ed007's Note - You posted it on the wrong thread, here it is:

Yep I a defender of NL not so much because I thought he was great but because he continually slated on here when he was a good manager for us. DN you can have all the opinion you want and I enjoy our clashes but its your name calling that's out of order.Check your posts you constantly call people clowns persons etc. Playground stuff cut it out. Ed you putting words in my mouth I never said I enjoyed losin a final.Taking the old firm game aside because that is important (or was) the cups are no longer sexy, floating peoples boat any more.Sozbut beating Hibs, Morton, Dumbarton then a St. Mirren in a final just doesn't do it for me anymore.Do you honestly think Manchester United fans care about losin to MK Dons. Europe is where its at that's what gets the money, that's what gets our juices flowing.Sorry but I will take beating a Barca in a CL night over beating the current dross to a cup final.The CL is where the prestige is, its where the money is, it brings the full houses, it brings the better players. Europe sits up and takes notice when we beat a Barca or Man Utd. Do you think it cares when we beat St>Mirren in a final.Since we on the topic of NL and he gets lambasted for wasting money. Look at what he brought in. 40m in CL money, over 30m in transfers let me ask you all where would we taking out 70m out of or budget last couple of years?

{Ed007's Note - What words did I put words in your mouth?

'The difference here is Lennon won most of his games against inferior opposition without ever been a manager before.' - Except inferior opposition in cup matches is that?

'The point here is Lennon won most of the games, RD is not doing that against inferior opposition.' - I'd say Ross County, St Mirren, Hearts, Kilmarnock, Morton and Aberdeen are inferior opposition not counting a mid-liquidation Rangers.

'Losing to Morton is the same as us beating Barca every dog has its day.' - It's amazing how many of those dogs days came against us during NL's time, 7 teams in 2 separate competitions all got lucky against us in the space of 4 years, really?

'I know his cup record is bad ed I not defending it, I just saying it could happen to anyone. He won the important games.' - Cup games including 2 finals and a potential treble are not important then? If you're not defending it what are you doing?

That's all things you have said above, nothing to do with me putting words into your mouth, is it? I know plenty of Man Utd fans that were raging they got beat by MK Dons, look at their forum for the proof. Cups are always mickey-mouse to fans when they get put out of them but they are the best trophy in the world if their team wins them, it's called fickleness. We can't all be like you and dismiss them as unimportant.
How do you feel about the UEFA Cup or EL? Last season Man Utd supporters were hoping they finished outside the qualification places for it, they see it as unimportant and an unnecessary distraction as do a lot of the big European teams, Man Utd supporters laughed at our excitement over going to Seville for a two-bob competition nobody cared about, do you agree with that? If it's good enough for Man Utd supporters to look down their nose at the EL it's good enough for you, cup games aren't important to you are they? It's you that's making the comparison between the two clubs....
Is it not important to you that CFC take over Rangers trophy haul and become the most successful club EVER never mind the most successful club currently operating? We had a chance to rack up some doubles or trebles and blew it, because 7 teams got lucky against us, and I repeat,

'last season was the first season since 1981/82 and only the fourth time since World War II that Celtic haven’t made the quarter-finals of any of the two domestic cup competitions.'

I don't see what the incoming transfer money has to do with anything, how many of those players did NL find or even scout?}

ED if you going to critsize him for wasting money on bad buys then you have to give him credit for bringing it in.you can't have it both ways. The simple truth is the cups are 2nd rate now, the fans think so(see attendancies) the manager thought so and the board thought so or they would a made him put out our strongest team.Uefa cup ed has kudos in Europe its only in Engerlund its shunned, its a major European trophy no matter what the Manchester United fans think.

{Ed007's Note - It was you that brought Man Utd and money into it. The EL is that well regarded throughout Europe that only last week in Monaco UEFA again spoke of scrapping it altogether, major sponsors avoid it and teams all over Europe play second string teams in it and UEFA . Last season's final was held at Juventus stadium in Turin with a capacity of 41,254, only 33,120 turned up, take away the UEFA, sponsors and corporate tickets and you are looking at a crowd of circa 20,000, and that's being generous. The season before that and Chelsea v Benfica at the Amsterdam Arena, a capacity of 53,052 and only 46,163 were in attendance. Look at those attendances and you'll see what supporters across Europe think of the EL.
What has any of this got to do with NL's cup record? You're going off on tangents, try and stick to the point. Do you want to talk about Man Utd, transfers, money, the CL and EL or stick to NL's abysmal cup record?}

Rayman sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. I know what I have posted, I think you will find that it is in retaliation to someone slagging me first.

Your right, I do have my own opinion like you have yours. Just seems though a group of people on this forum can't handle that my opinion is different from theirs. i'm not going to change that for anyone.