Celtic Banter Archive June 03 2014

03 Jun 2014 22:58:23
Neil Lennon's contract runs out on 9th June. Just saying.

That is the maddest post I have read on here!

04 Jun 2014 22:33:45
Explains the delay. We don't pay two managers at the same time

05 Jun 2014 08:14:46
Yes mate that'll be it you have nailed it . We can't give Lennon a week or two's wages while we also pay the new manager . Peter is a genius, must have saved us about 9 hundred pounds at least lol

NL earned over 800k p.a that's 15k per week. So, the new guy will start on Monday. Its a tight budget don't you know

03 Jun 2014 20:15:56
With Hooper putting in a transfer request, who in the Championship/ EPL would buy him. what's your thoughts if Hooper wants to come back.
Do we want him? do we need him?
how much would we pay for him?

03 Jun 2014 23:30:04
know he asked to leave but I would take him back. The boy comes with a guarantee of goals. What's the point in wasting 1 or 2 million on a couple of different players who MIGHT produce the goods (Pukki and Balde for example), when you could probably get Hooper for 4 or 5 million when he is just about to hit his prime years. A strike force of Hooper, Stokes and Giffiths, with the addition of a target man, someone like Janko for instance isn't too shabby by any standards and more importantly all 4 are goal scorers.

Those three plus Janko? Never in a million years should we carry that amount of strikers, all it does is block progression for a younger player

It's a no thanks for me. He made his bed, he can lie in it. How long would it be until he tried to force a move down South again? Move on to other targets instead of dwelling in the past, we don't want to end up like the tribute act signing Kenny Miller twice for oldco n on the verge of signing for newco!

Cmon HB, Hooper is better that anything we have the now and at £5M or less is a steal. Forget all the he asked to move ect, would he do a job for us? You bet he would. Signing Hooper would not be jobs for the bhoys, he is still a class act. Hail Hail

04 Jun 2014 14:06:43
Fundamental Difference to anyone who has played for us and wants to come back and those who have TURNED us down did over the years McAvennie, Walker, Mulgrew, ever get a sour response? where as a Coyle or someone who has overlooked us rejected us should not get a second bite , agree TTT better than out we have

{Ed007's Note - So Larsson and Keane have also burnt their bridges as far as ever managing us goes, or will that just count against Keane?}

Better than what we have at the moment, yes. But there's better out there. He chose to go to the Premier League for an England cap, didn't get it then ended up relegated. His choice, he can deal with it by finding another club as big as Celtic!

04 Jun 2014 14:25:36
Larsson Ed has indicated he does want to manage us so that will do for me. and as you have previously indicated your judgement on keane is blighted due to your adulation for him but yes he should never be asked again atb Jamie

{Ed007's Note - Larsson ruled himself out of the job this time, just like Keane and just like Owen Coyle did in 2009 so why should Larsson be treated any different?}

04 Jun 2014 15:46:55
Larsson never ruled himself out Ed he said "he was under contract till November and would not break that contract" he also said people "miss measure" the size of the celtic job and he would not!

{Ed007's Note - I think you'll find that's ruling himself out, no matter how you dress it up. A direct quote from Hakan Nilsson, the Falkenberg sporting director also says otherwise:

"He told me he has said 'no', and I know him as a man of his word, we have no concerns about him leaving."

So why should he get another chance in the future yet Coyle and Keane shouldn't? Are you sure it's only me that's judgement's blighted because of the name involved?}

04 Jun 2014 16:54:50
Not at all Ed, there sporting director said " they would expect to be compensated" as every fan knows Larsson does not go back on his word , so as you say you can dress it up however you like

{Ed007's Note - Of course they would expect compensation, he's under contract so why wouldn't they. The fact he turned down the chance means compensation discussions won't be happening.}

04 Jun 2014 17:13:22
agree to disagree ed atb

{Ed007's Note - Or we could just agree to ingnore the facts.}

I agree with JamieBhoy. Larsson rules himself out for the right reasons which is different to Keane and Coyle. Larsson knew he didn't have the experience for the Celtic job so rather than come in and not take the club forward he has decided to honour his current contract and continue to learn how to be a manager in the lower leagues and when he has the experience I am sure he will one day return to Celtic. So, he didn't turn the job down, he did the club a favour as he must have known the clamour have been if he took the job and if he couldn't manage it the way he knows we would expect then the club and Larsson would have been hammered. Kean rejected to go and take the assistant job at Villa and Coyle wanted to go to the EPL, they never once said it was in the clubs interests not to appoint them, only their own that is why the shouldn't get a sniff again and Larsson should if and when the time is right.

{Ed007's Note - That's nothing but absolute twaddle you've made up all because it is Larsson. 'Ruled himself out for the right reasons'? Didn't Coyle and Keane have contracts to honour as well? I think your getting a bit misty-eyed about Larsson and it's clouding your sense of reality. So who decides if it's the 'right reasons', is there a list somewhere?

03 Jun 2014 15:22:24
right bhoys, playing devils advocate here. Please list your reasons why Owen Coyle should not get the big job. keep it clean, feel free to chuck in your twopence worth ed. ;@)

1. He's a crap manager
2. He's a bawbag

He turned us down before, should not be offered again! Don't care bout his clause @ Wigan

Ed when do you anticipate new man in place, Cheers

{Ed007's Note - Sometime before 15th of July.}

Negatives for coyle are his record with last two clubs decidedly average plus his clobber while in dugout is shocking.positives he did well with burnley and is very good in front of the camera .

03 Jun 2014 17:10:51
Ed, well said. I don't even think Lawwell or Desmond could be more accurate regarding timescales. They talk about us being a 'big' club but they are not behaving like men in charge of one. It's becoming a bit of a joke.

He started off as a very promising manager but has been found out at his last two jobs; plus he made the worst decision of his life by turning us down.
We need better than him - right?

JJ

His style of football, lack of tactical nouse IMO! And far better candidates for the vacancy

03 Jun 2014 14:27:34
There were plenty regulars, including myself, on here that could see Neil Lennon was about to leave weeks before the season ended and I am certain the Board knew fine well.
Also, with the Commonwealth Games at Celtic Park plus CL qualifiers at Murrayfield of all places, you would think that Celtic would have acted swiftly to appoint a manager to prepare for the new campaign?
So far we have had 2/3 bookies certainties and an interview list of 5-10 candidates slowly but surely evaporating until Lawell's 'Number One choice all along' will be named as our clubs manager.
I don't know if Roy Keane was ever really interested? There was serious speculation and interviews with MON which would have suggested some foundation? But it appears the assistants job at Villa is much more appealing?
There were a lot of us who would have been wary of his style and temperament to manage Celtic, but we will not have to worry about that for now.
Why couldn't we just have identified an ideal replacement and unveiled him last month?
That's far to easy and sensible for Celtic.

JJ

It might be like signing some transfer targets, the prospective managers that Celtic prefer may not want to commit themselves to Celtic until they have found out other clubs who are looking for a manager don't want them .

03 Jun 2014 11:40:20
Anyone doing a World Cup fantasy football team?

Just picked my XI there:

Fernando Muslera (Galatasaray / Uruguay)
Dani Alves (Barcelona / Brazil)
Thiago Silva (PSG / Brazil)
Juan Carlos Paredes (Barcelona SC [ECU] / Ecuador)
Luke Shaw (Southampton / England)
Jean Beausejour (Wigan / Chile)
Andres Iniesta (Barcelona / Spain)
Xavi (Barcelona / Spain)
Gokhan Inler (Napoli / Switzerland)
Leo Messi (Barcelona / Argentina)
Cristiano Ronaldo (R. Madrid / Portugal)

03 Jun 2014 14:27:02
Casillas
Lahm
Baines
Thiago Silva
Hummels
Schweinsteiger
Xavi
Reus
Messi
Ronaldo
Klose

03 Jun 2014 14:29:43
What website you doing it on?

One of my mates has created a league on The S*n which I grudged signing upto but eventually caved. Made my thoughts clear of them in my team name though!

03 Jun 2014 15:43:39
Haha I know hate the sun im in one at my old mans work think its the telegraph they use all just a bit of fun at the end of the day even more so if you manage to land some of the cash

04 Jun 2014 14:53:06
Just put mine in on the *un. Might make changes after the remaining friendlies but as it stands:

Romero, Sergio

Rojo, Marcos
Luiz, David
Fernandez, Federico
De Sciglio, Mattia

Oscar,
Dempsey, Clint
Muller, Thomas

Lukaku, Romelu
Neymar
Messi, Lionel

Just wondering for numbers if anybody fancies a CelticRumours league?

Is sky doing one?

03 Jun 2014 11:18:14
Hi folks

In CFC's line of business where merchandise and tickets often sell on "hope value" IE where we fans believe we have uncovered a "gem" or a "rough diamond" or where we feel the collective multi-ethnic eleven starters represent "improving quality", we TURN UP in our droves hoping to see further improvement.

The job of PL is to keep us believing that there will be BETER TIMES ahead; yes his job criteria may have 30 bullet points and umpteen financial spreadsheets but at the heart of it all is to somehow sustain and enhance the "hope" value among fans, IE better days ahead.

PL has to do a lot of juggling because it is one thing looking at the stark realities of our game (a competition next year involving the likes of ross county, inverness, st johnstone, motherwell, hamilton, dundee, kilmarnock, partick, st mirren with the BOX OFFICE teams being aberdeen and dundee united!) and quite another in terms of "selling Celtic" and its history and its future.

Weirdly, I think selling the club's "history" is too difficult albeit the juicy bits are moving further and further back in to yesteryear, but selling the "future" would prove difficult for any person (given the economic backdrop)

In every walk of working life, people would WANT to work with a progressive company that is expanding, diversifying and going places. Some become jaded with companies that are stuck in a rut, and there are others that are sleepwalking backwards (either because of "markets" or poor management). Great people want to work with great people and great enterprises with great potential; it is instinctive. CFC can maybe tick the people box but they may be hard pushed to spell out (clearly) what lies ahead. There would be many many managers in the game would be happy with the current squad (no need to sell) and a £8m budget for 4 to 5 players (young and emerging) with ECL qualification a bigger possibility than not.

CL qualification has made a difference to the finances and given CFC a little bit of breathing space but CFC also need to keep their focus and my feeling is that they see trouble ahead in terms of revenues being further starved. Dropping crowds, less merchandise, discounted season tickets, worse to come next year with Hearts and Hibernian out of the league and their nemesis stumbling from one crisis to another.

Where are Celtic going and where could an "ambitious" coach take them? A young and ambitious coach would not cost the earth because young and ambitious does not equal young and proven. The young and proven ones would only come if the money was so extravagant that it made the lack of competition an irrelevance; we wouldn't want that. I mean, does anyone believe that Frank Rikjaard enjoys his job in saudi arabia? Seriously? The £6m helps though.

CFC would have to do a hard sell in terms of fan "buy in" if they go down the young, emerging, unproven but ambitious route for the next manager but I could see why they would do this; financially prudent, understandable, weighted risk, dynamic etc.

An older, experienced, tiring coach looking to come back out of early retirement for a 3 year gig won't necessarily have the drive and won't get backsides on seats either. The point I am making is that brokering the balance between "the level of appointment and financial pay" versus "what is actually required this year to maximise celtic's revenue" is quite a cute balance to broker.

That said, CFC still do have an "appeal" to young emerging players from nowhere land and we can still give them a "stage" on which to be noticed, notwithstanding that "stage" is fast becoming a laughing stock, IE the Ajax model is similar too but they have to contend with the likes of Twente, Feyonoord, PSV, Vittesse which makes there domestic season a little more relevant.

The "competition" will dictate the level of appointment we procure and the finances involve. The "competition" will dictate the summer transfer kitty. The "competition" will dictate just about every aspect of Celtic's financial performance next year and the reality is that the "competition" is dreadful; we are like a super heavyweight boxer in a ring with flyweights. We don't need to go on growing and eating to win. We could drop a few stones and come back to middleweight and still win; the point being CFC had hit a glass ceiling (even with CL qualification hopes) and the last 16 horsing we took from Juventus (with a better team than today!) maybe told CFC PLC all they needed know and that is that qualification for the CL is the limit or should I say the target.

That and a league and cup or cups will make the difference between an average season and an above average season; none of which will compare (or even come close) to the Seville years when we actually won nothing and still celebrated as though we had; you see back then we had "hope" and without "hope" of better things to come we turn off and lose heart.

How does PL give us "hope" and broker than financial balance between investment and prudence?

I stopped reading at 'multi-ethnic'.

Anton

i mean players from different countries; unintended 1000% to cause any offence

i meant multinational!

03 Jun 2014 16:56:15
not being the sharpest tool in the box , I was lost @ Hi folks .lol

Great post and I agree with every word mate.

03 Jun 2014 23:05:42
Excellent post!

Interesting post andI agree with most of it. PL is doing a good job in a struggling market place.

I know what he has done a fantastic job of. Lowering our support's expectations and distancing us from our history!

03 Jun 2014 09:23:54
Not one person on here knows what is going on inside parkhead, and the media know even less they have already given the job to coyle then Keane . Pl has appointed oneil Strachan and Lennon 3 very successful managers in their own right . For gods sake if you don't like the new manager then moan away, but to moan about the process when none of you knows exactly what is going on just smacks of people desperate to be negative about all things Celtic .

03 Jun 2014 10:34:59
Pot, Kettle, Black.

03 Jun 2014 11:21:23
Why?

03 Jun 2014 12:29:46
"What a great chance to appoint, a forward thinking manager, clear out our dead wood and bring in some quality players to compliment the existing ones we have . What the board will do, bring in the cheepest option ( owen coyle? ) sell frazer and virgil, bring in a couple of championship players and give king henrik the assistant job, to keep us quiet ." - fab1, last week.

You'll have to forgive people for being anxious fab, it's an important time for any club, not least ours. But does people's pessimistic, cynical, despondent or just downright distrusting attitude towards the board not stem from something a little deeper than their so far, perplexing, attempts to find a new manager?

Well-said fab av thought this for a while the negativity is shocking, PL doing a fine job no debt decent squad fantastic stadium/training ground and a new manager to come in who's getting panned before a baws kicked

You're happy with a "decent" squad Mally? Because I know for a fact a "decent" squad does a debt free club with fantastic fans any justice! What's the point in being debt free and playing in a 60,000 capacity arena if all we want is decency? We're as well moving to Glencairn's 1, 500 capacity ground n playing in the SJFA if that's the current level of ambition!

Slight exaggeration HB, am just stating the obvious we are in good nick on and off the pitch, the current squad with a few quality signings IMO will be good enough to make the cl group stages as long as we don't sell our main guys, the crowds are going to be down until that other mob get there house in order and get back up,

03 Jun 2014 16:24:45
Jim Tim those were and are my thought's on what will happen , I will wait till it happens before I moan. Don't moan about the shit your going to have , moan about the shit you have had .

03 Jun 2014 17:19:05
You also removed the last sentence from my post " prove me wrong peter, prove me wrong " which makes it a positive post 😉

{Ed007's Note - There was nothing removed from any of your posts.}

Exactly, with a FEW QUALITY SIGNINGS. You n me both know Lawwell isn't going to grant any manager money to bring in quality, it's all about cheap as possible nowadays. I think it's a very good possibility that we won't be seeing European football past August next season.

03 Jun 2014 23:30:40
Just checked the my recent posts page ed and jimtim defo left the last 2 sentences from the post of mine he replicated .

{Ed007's Note - Sorry I thought you meant I had, my mistake.}

04 Jun 2014 11:16:46
Cut the scheidt. "Prove me wrong" doesn't make it positive at all. You demonstrated the same pessamistic view as I, and others. We'd all like to be pleasantly proved wrong, proved wrong from what though? You're negative presumptions? Just admit it!

03 Jun 2014 07:57:41
Betting has been taken down on sites for the next manager what do you think that means have we got our new manager just waiting for the announcement? Anyone shed some light on this?

Betting companies just stir up interest to make money they know as much as us.nothing in fact.

No. The bookies have finally accepted, that like the media, they don't have a Scooby as to what's happening behind closed doors at Celtic Park! I don't think those behind the doors know what's happening either!

03 Jun 2014 11:11:47
Does DD still have any involvement with BETDAQ?

Not anymore Jim:

"GBEA was acquired by Ladbrokes PLC in February 2013. BETDAQ is the second largest betting exchange operator with 7% market share."

03 Jun 2014 16:46:39
Ah fairplay Hamilton. That means he has no shares in them at all now? Just wondering as they're throwing up some interesting odds and their prices are changing different ways to many other bookmakers. Nevermind. Cheers bud.

03 Jun 2014 00:57:13
Please don't say Keane rejected the celtic job to become assistant at Aston Villa

03 Jun 2014 08:49:23
Looks that way BB. It appears he would still be able to do the Ireland job an his TV stuff and that's why the Villa job might appeal. Just shows you how dedicated he is (or isn't!) and maybe that's why he ruled himself out for us. It annoys me that all the headlines read 'Keane turns down Celtic' when he was never offered the job to begin with.

Latest seems to be he can do the two jobs, something he could never have done at Celtic.