Celtic Banter Archive July 03 2012

03 Jul 2012 21:45:12
Guys this club 12 thing is doin my box in lol.
Now i know that we luv bashin them the now and laffin at their stuation.But here is my point I look at it from a purely selfish situation, what is best for my club Celtic.There are choices here aaaaaaaaaaand i think this is why Lawwell has kept quiet so far.
Do we go with integrity and stick the boot in as what shud happen or do we look after ourselves.
Example ; With them in SPl we can buy the likes of Rhodes, without its more likely to be a Daly.
Potentially more Champion league football with them,
Likely Europa league without them.
More competition and money in our clubs pockets will mean better players instead of players leaving.
Lets face it we all luv the old firm game and look forward to beating them.I want to see my club prosper and its obvious to all that club 12 will bring fans sponsorship and tv revenue to our league.
After all this game is watched all over the world.
In an ideal world we cud kill them off practically but we dont have any other teams capable of steppin up to the plate.So there you are guys do we want our club to get bigger and better or diminish with lass resources. I know GJ and Timalloy will disagree but i think its the lesser of 2 evils to keep them in and punish heavily so WE can improve.
Rayman

@Rayman: My outlook on this problem is simple. Newco must start in division three as thats what they are,a new company.What is never mentioned is the fact that when all this is sorted,newco will be in a very strong financial position,they will be debt free.If the fans of the liquidated club buy in to Greens plan they will have 40k at home games,albeit at reduced prices in division three.Lots of fans are saying that they would pay SPL prices for three years to inject cash into the club. This is why they must be told to apply to the SPL,no sanctions,no punishments and no debt carried.Thats the rules and thats what should be applied.Remember,they are getting a huge boost by even being allowed to apply,they have not got three years accounts which is required to gain league status.........green jhedi

Some points i agree with ya rayman ,but lets not forget big brother fifa sitting watching every move if this goes wrong and rangers are let off with this too lightley we are selfs could be looking at a 3 year ban from europe ,and what will they do fuc=ing laugh ther b=lls off ,yes we all like the derbys but to watch them drag them selfs up through the leagues would be so much fun, but if they didnt win every year first spot would be more a giggle than the perdicument they find them selfs in at the momment ,

I undersrand this guys but i only interested in celtic not them and want what best for my club. I sure point deductions financial sanctions and transfer embargo wud halt them in their quest. Be honest guys will you not miss the old firm game, and GJ while you state a lot of truths They a new company not a new club. New clubs dont have assets a stadium and 40 k season ticket holders (potentially). The way i look at it if by a miracle a club like Liverpool for eg applied to the SPl and it was allowed we wud break every rule in the book to get them in the SPL straight away, Scottish football cant ignore this. I know we are gonna be poorer for it in financial terms and football terms for it.
Rayman

03 Jul 2012 21:08:24
could anyone tell me if fifa/uefa felt that celtic were trapped in a corrupt and
parochial enviroment they would let
us apply to other leagues or accept
invites from leagues we would be a
tasty option for most leagues

03 Jul 2012 20:50:08
has the vote been cancelled tomorrow,garlar07

03 Jul 2012 20:16:04
When do the SFL vote on whether or no to allow Spartans into the First Division? Surely they have the right to ask? Cove Rangers? Can they join? If not, why not?

GoldCoastBhoy

03 Jul 2012 20:00:21
So Sevco 5088 apologise for ye olde R*ngers causing the near meltdown of Scottish Football? Tell you what Murray, you can stick that apology right up yer jacksie, because I'm not listening to that garbage.

BigRab

Funny how the night before a big vote the apology finally comes, gut feeling a massive scam about to be played on us all

Ska bhoy

I'm sure that's why an apology was sooo late in coming !

03 Jul 2012 19:19:38
" broonies rant"
Green has surrendered," Brown said.

"I think Peter Lawwell had a dream about keeping Rangers in the SPL, but only if he could make sure they would never have any chance of winning the title, by giving them a points deduction for the next few seasons.

"That keeps the value of the SPL for Celtic and means they can maintain a big budget for players, so they can not only win the SPL, but also have a really good chance of getting into the Champions League groups for the next four years.

"That would bring Celtic in almost £100million and all the while Rangers would have to pay SPL wages while being banned from Europe for the next three years and also having no chance of winning the title.

"By also surrendering and agreeing to the SFA transfer embargo, Green will leave Rangers in with no players and Ally McCoist will actually face a fight to avoid relegation."
£ 100 mil where wur ye broonie when the maths lessin wiz bein dished oot " mr brown please write 500 times I must not talk pish in class !"
fk me that buckie must be strongur thin it used tae edo? edo ?.helo is thur anybidy ther?
he sade scratchin his nose n lookin it the sky,hmmmmmmm

Nothing but a bigot brown Celtic should open there mouth.henke7

Its giro tuesday.atleast that be him for another fortnight

This guy is great PR for Celtic.What a tool..........green jhedi

03 Jul 2012 18:03:30
would it be that bad keeping them in the spl,if sufficient conditions were attached such as the tranfer embargo 10 points deduction for three years and debts to clubs to be paid back during this period they could be in for a few skelpings on the pitch .There fans would have to watch this and chances are a few will fall away hiting them with more financial woes.

Dont fall for the propaganda.The facts are this is NOT RANGERS.This is a new company being pedalled in the media as having some sort of connection with rangers,they do not.It is a company who bought the Ground and training centre of a liquidated football team,and should be viewed as such.....green jhedi

Yes.

GoldCoastBhoy

A 10 point deduction is not enough if they were to stay in spl. teams could suffer injuries suspensions etc and 10 points could be clawed back. its the tuesday welfare league for me as the only suitable punishment. {Ed013's Note - Remember Leeds had a 15 point deduction and still finished near the top!}

03 Jul 2012 14:59:57
"It is not an SFL issue,we have been lumbered with this.There are rules and they should be followed.Newco should apply to the third division.We are being bullied, railroaded and lied to by the SFA and SPL,we are being threatened and bullied.It is not football as i know it.If you dont vote to accept newco into the first division,they will start SPL 2 and you will not be invited.What kind of game are we running here? It's CORRUPT!"
Step forward Mr Turnbull Hutton,Raith Rovers director.Now this is not,as the ranger or the scum would have us believe,some hate filled "keyboard warrior",this is a director of a small,provincial club.One of the self same clubs that the scaremongering is designed to spook into acceptance of the party line.On the financial meltdown scenario so beloved by our mainstream media he says,quite simply" i dont believe that".Will we assume that Traynor is,as we speak,despatching "scoop" Jackson to get some facts and figures from an actual director of a club?Or will they just print the tired,non factual version of events that suits them? I sincerely hope that these quotes are shown to UEFA,because despite the underplaying by our media this is huge news.CORRUPT,Mr Hutton's word,a director of a member club of the Scottish Football Association.For me this leaves Doncaster and Reagan in an untenable position,some might say again,and they will never be able to quote a rule book again.Shocking,cheating and as Mr Hutton put it,CORRUPT...........green jhedi

03 Jul 2012 13:19:56
So Rangers finally issue an unreserved apology for plunging Scottish football in to chaos. To little to late I think, or are Rangers apologising because the 11 other SPL clubs are due to vote on Rangers future tomorrow.

Is this a serious case of crocodile tears, my head tells me yes, guess what my heart also tells me yes.

Although I will miss old firm games, sporting integrity has to be the winner in all this or our game is dead.

Call me bitter but if they get back in I'm finished with Scottish football.

Lenny

I agree wots the point in watching Scottish football when it's being run by a bunch of fools who r willing to bully and threaten other teams in the league and uproot all the divisions to suit 1 club that has broken almost every rule there is.
Our game will be a laughing stock
Clover88

03 Jul 2012 12:35:29
Huv ye read it, huv ye, huv ye.

I canny believe the latest pile of mucous spouted by Green and his band.

What desparation, they say they will pay old footballing debts, why would they, that old co is no more LIQUIDATED, or so we are told.

Is this a bid to hold on to the history, I think so, but if you want that pay all the debt.

4th of July will be an interesting day.

And a word to Keevans etc, the strength of feeling against your darlings is greater than you can iamagine, keep printing all the usual p1sh , and see who will employ a biased so called journalist.

Lost Bhoy 50

Lb your gettin oan ma son 50 eh, bit yur rite son ah used tae think thit keevins talked thru his nose, make that gonk noo ah no he talks thru his arse,
here ed we must be a**eholes tae pit poor auld ranjurs thru this how dis big lawliss no come oot n jist appologise that widnae be so hard wid it eftur aw its oor fault ah mean the rest ae the leeg?
how dae we no just gie thum free passage tae the barklays prem wae auto entry tae the champyuns leeg eftur whit thuv been thru, see if a bump intae shug keevo the nite its no his nose heel be talkin thru itl be a fkn medium,
"why not call the samaritans the day ,n tell thuim yur pished aff wae ranjurs fkn moanin they moan mer thin mrs E eftur yuv stole ur pickled gherkin oot the posso chipy n is fur jon broon com doon the sarie the nite broonski beat n ahl show ye how tae drink thrua straw yur nek ul be like a fkn polo mint,
there thats ma rant fur the day deep breths aw gone! whit you sin hollow leg,
here ye coodnae lend me a $50 till the morra pal?

03 Jul 2012 11:50:13
Congratulations to Charles Green.In an astonishing show of love and devotion for Scottish football,Mr Green has come up with a plan to save Scottish football.This visionary has decided that the way forward is to vote rangers in to the SPL,quite apart from the fact that rangers dont exist anymore! Green has taken a stunning overview of the game in Scotland and his proposals are:Back voting reform and slash the old firms influence.Charlie,there is no old firm anymore one of them is defunct.Next; Fairer revenue splits and cut payments to the old firm(who they?).He then claims Sevco will accept the transfer embargo given by the SFA(even though he dragged the governing body through court costing the SFA thousands in costs) .He will also take a ten point deduction for one or possibly two seasons,pay all rangers football debts(which are guaranteed to be paid anyway),and issue a public apology for rangers past wrongdoings.You just dont get it do you Charlie,rangers are no more.rangers are entitled to exactly what any other club would be,nothing more,nothing less.You are being cut enormous slack in the fact you can apply to the SFL for a league spot without three years accounts! You bought the assets,on the cheap,of a liquidated club.In a sporting context you are entitled to nothing.You should not be issuing apologies,you should not be accepting fines or sanctions because the club you HAVE STILL TO SEE START A GAME are brand new............green jhedi

Honestly GJ..who is this guy ?

All this carry on with suing the players that left as well and giving it Rangers will play in Europe before Norwich (I might take that bet lol)

What’s with the blackmail and threats, I see that has not stopped either.

That all I’m waiting for an apology and a please can we play in the senior leagues. A bit of humility would go a long way and they might not be facing such a backlash ~ Mrs E

Well said gj, when the phone ins start again all our fans need to call in and get Keevins etc to admit on air that rangers are done, no more, finished! L1888

Nothing unusual about this it's known as a trade off.
There does however appear to have been a seismic shift within both the corridors of power at Hampden and individual club chairmen in the last 24-48 hours.
Despite the initial cries of derision regarding sporting integrity and otherwise,it would seem reasoning and logic has finally prevailed.
As a supporter of RFC obviously i would welcome these new developments with open arms.I honestly see a chink of light at the end of what has been a long and very dark tunnel for my club.
It would appear substantial effort is slowly but surely being put into saving the RFC brand.
Oh, i can hear further howls of derision already.
But ask yourelf this.
What exactly are these belated but nonetheless welcome preservation efforts all about?
What is Sevco,TRFC,SPL/SFL and the SFA for that matter without the historic brand that is RFC?
What is RFC as far as Scottish football is concerned?
Perhaps even more importantly what is RFC as far as SKY or any other sponsor or investor is concerned?
It would appear that our club is significantly more essential to the future of our game than even the most ardent supporter could ever have imagined.
If there was an SPL division 2,with a team or club capable of filling the void left by RFC,then things would not be as complicated as they are. But we all know there is not. Unlike England there is no West Ham or Wolverhampton Wanderers.
Two reasonably well supported clubs who nonetheless pale into insignificance when compared with RFC and CFC,ready to step in.

You really have to ask what the hell the people entrusted with the governance of our game hav been playing at.
I reckon this has all been one big protracted plan to pull the wool over UEFA and FIFA's eyes.
Football's governing bodies have taken a back seat and asked the SFA to handle the situation from within.
They have failed miserably in their handling of the situation thus far and have been equally negligent for years.
The fact that other clubs have been lost from our game,should have prompted action and change long before now.
Third Lanark,Airdrie,Gretna and Livingston are testament to their woeful stewardship.
Yet today, they are still scampering around trying to find a solution to save our future as an average but reasonably self sustaining sporting product.
The loss of any of the "Old Firm" to these associations is unthinkable.
That is why RFC,the club,and the brand must be saved.
Mr Green while swallowing a lot of humble pie,derived from and liable to the previous owners,has accepted this responsibility. It is now upto the other clubs to decide whether this is enough.
Despite the ballot not taking place until tomorrow,and the seven clubs who have apparently already made their position clear,why then is the ballot being held in secret? Yes "Seismic" is the right word.
P.O.B.

I don't know how my ' look funny lol Mrs E

@Mrs E: My mate,die hard gers fan ,is convinced he wants an excuse to sell up and walk.He reckons he will sell to any one claiming he did not have a chance with interfering ex players and management.I just think he is in over his head and is starting to sweat over his exit strategy..............green jhedi

This corrupt governing body has surely got too be investigated by uefa,as the once toxic clubs tentacles reach far into the corridors of the sfa..If they get there way& are put in 1st division,1 season& they will be back into the spl DEBT FREE,whilst all other clubs will have overdrafts off millions by paying taxes& trying too cut there cloth to suit...This whole saga stinks& no doubt will continue to do so until someone steps in& sorts this scandal.stevo

P.O.B 'Deluded' would be the kindest way to describe your post. 'Desperate' probably more accurate! Your 'brand' as you describe it is not only defunct but is totally discredited. Plymbhoy

03 Jul 2012 11:31:09
Just got a copy of the minutes from the St. Mirren shareholders meeting from last night, main points were:

- Doesn't trust Green. Both McCoist and Green at the meeting with him refused to accept any blame or responsibility for the situation or the intimidation and threats. Green reminds them of Reg Brearley. The arrogance infuriated the saints delegation
- Sky and the other SPL partners will not back the league if Rangers are out for more than 1 year
- St. Mirren want to send Rangers to the 3rd Division but feel they will have to make significant redundancies and cost cuts if they do.
- Green has offered to accept the 1st division, will not go to the 3rd, a change to a 9-3 voting model, and a redistribution of SPL money as well as more promotion / relegation
- If the SFL clubs refuse their £30k bribe and vote against the newco parachute then at least 5 SPL clubs will change their vote and vote them straight back in.
- Whilst the St. Mirren board are angry about this they hope the fans will now understand their position and not boycott etc. Expecting a lively supporters meeting tonight.

So there you have it, i feel we should maybe just shut the doors on Scottish football now. The smaller clubs smell old firm blood and will look to bleed Celtic which will financially weaken us due to no fault of our own. On the other hand Rangers will be able to bury over one hundred million of debt, years of financial recklessness (which directly affected all other teams) financial and doping for the equivalent of a 1 year break from the SPL.

Really sickened especially by the massive hypocrisy and contradictions. The message is we hate being reliant on Rangers in this situation but we then intend to suckle at the teat even more by extorting the Celtic fans for their cash. I can only imagine the frustration of Peter Lawell dealing with so many small time businessmen on the make. Do we get an even distribution of Champions league cash with Real Madrid, Barcelona and Man Utd? or do we have to try and earn it by success?

Also the club bleating most about their financial perils, Kilmarnock, have just signed a St. Mirren player on double his salary and only got into their current debt by years of ridiculous spending on guys like McCoist, Durrant, Dindeleux and Cocard (who at one point was on £6,000 per week!!). Why not try to live within your means.

Disgusted by the whole rotten structure and culture of Scottish football which can all be traced back to David Murray.

Major rant over. Stewart Gilmour also quoted as saying "Celtic will be digging a tunnel to England" if only....
CBP

Look it's blatantly obvious that this is not the ideal scenario,nobody is suggesting otherwise.There is no "win/win" solution.
However all clubs fans were advised to be careful what they wished for.
Seeking solace from RFC's demise as a singular justification for their misdemeanours was only ever going to end in one of two possible outcomes.
Therefore you should be neither surprised nor dissapointed when reality eventually strikes home.
Yes,the structure is rotten to the core,and has been for years. As for David Murray,well you only have to ask Rangers fans about that.
The reality is our game needs the old firm,
anyone who still cannot grasp that concept is seriously deluded.
Would it surprise you if PL and CFC voted in RFC's favour? Well it should not,partly for the reasons YOU have outlined above
and for reality's sake.
What did you seriously expect to happen?
P.O.B.

03 Jul 2012 11:11:40
Just seen on the bbc gossip page that the daily re**rd is still clinging to " a threat from Sky to withdraw television money". How long are they going to continue scaremongering with this non story? They're still just trying to push on with intimidating Scottish clubs to allow the club formerly known as rangers into the top flight. Really makes me sick and also makes me wonder what kind of idiots buy an believe what they read in this pathetic excuse for a paper...MrCheshington

Sky can keep their money IMO - ok the EPL is rich (overly-so) but is it really any good? No! It may as well be a competition to see who's the richest, never mind pure, honest, blood sweat and tears football!

F***ing bunch of diving, wimpy, hairdo-worrying, trendy, ego-maniacs! Is that what we aspire to?

NO!
TRP.

02 Jul 2012 21:31:00
All this talk about 20 clubs going out
of business ( althoughy I did have a
wee smile at ex bear who posted that
50 clubs were going out of business
until it was pointed out that senior
clubs only total 42 lol) anyway the
smaller clubs are good at managing on
extremely tight budgets and will manage
fine this time too.
It is in MSM interest to print about all
the negative but what about the positive.
If Celtic reach CL group stages we make
minimum £15m. Most SPL clubs are
reporting good ST sales. The SKY tv
deal still has 2 years to run, so tv
money will still be coming in next year.
It has been reported that the police
bill will be cut by £1m because of no
Celtic/ex club games. In fact all SPL
clubs will save on police/stewarding
costs. Someone said why not just go
with 11 team SPL playing 40 games
2 more than last season, every team
gets 2 Celtic games at home.
Bring back reserve league or combine
with u19's charge £5 entrance so
clubs make a little extra every second
week.
All the smaller clubs will trim their
squads and wage bills accordingly, but
still get share of tv monies.
I think the fans will support every
team next season if no ex club around.
So Jabba/keevo, chico be afraid...
Timalloy

Ahhh Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim but you know that all makes far too much sense!

When does anything in Scottish football get done in the name of sense?

Evinguu

Hi Evinguu, what do you make of all these secret meetings? A last throw of a loaded dice and still they cannot win.
Are you on Twitter? I cannot imagine you coping with such a limited means of getting your points across LOl timalloy