Celtic Banter Archive August 03 2014

 

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03 Aug 2014 20:32:59
Ed,

Any idea why we haven't seen Paul George in Pre Season as of yet, is his time at Celtic done?

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{Ed007's Note - To be honest mate I don't have a clue, sorry.}

03 Aug 2014 22:10:32
Cheers, Seems such a waste of a player, I seen him as a youngster and thought he was destined for the first team

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He scored two for the development side last Tuesday ( I think ) .

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{Ed007's Note - I was wondering if he played down at Bolton yesterday?}

03 Aug 2014 20:49:51
Who are the 6 people who voted that they don't think the board havn't invested enough? Is PL and the board members in this site? Or the dark side having a giraffe?

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04 Aug 2014 06:10:41
Your think parkhead had burned to the ground the way people are banging on. Sure its a couple of sore ones and sure the board needs to splash some cash but come one bhoys- blaming the CWG I've heard it all now. Parkhead looked magnificent during the opening games and despite the loss of the stadium for the euro games I'm still proud as punch it was there. How many of us thought we would live to see the queen at parkhead lol, the bears must be thinking they live in a parallel universe. Just try to remember its exhausting trying to punch above our weight and sometimes we get found out. Sad as it is this won't change unless we join the English league or get comparable TV money. Celtic is a huge club , known and respected worldwide despite its handicaps. Get behind the team, get behind RD and even PL. Hail hail

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Your first sentence made me laugh Joe :-)

The meltdown does continue and I think we can all be dramatic at times. I know I've felt like crying with some results and that horrible punched in the gut feeling.

It is disgruntled fans feeling they are being taken for granted it's not the end if life as we know it. You're right, we have been here before and unfortunately will again. I don't know what the answer is!

I have the mega fear about this season but not the the extent of hurling abuse online or using the Commonwealth Games as an excuse.

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I have seen dark days since I went to my first game as a boy in 1962.
The good times more than make up for them - luckily there were plenty.
But it's hard to stay positive and silent when the problems are so blatantly obvious and self inflicted.
Barring a miracle we will probably be out of the CL this week and the consolation is it will save us from embarrassment and humiliation in the groups against the top teams.

The lack of investment by a complacent and blinkered board has reduced us to a very average Celtic team by selling our best players and replacing them with 'diddies' who would never have been allowed anywhere near the hoops in the past.
We have also built up a collection of injury prone players who cannot play anywhere near enough and have little or no sell-on value.

Our untested manager has so far brought in a crocked keeper and a nobody from Cardiff while the bulk of the squad struggle to adapt to his new methods and strategies.
It also seems like Forster and possibly more, may be offski (like Watt).

Like Mrs E, I am a wee bit worried about the coming season because we have shifted from a position of confidence and superiority 3 years ago to a head-scratching shambles.

Altogether now:- Always look on the bright side of life; do do do do do do do do.

JJ

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I don't know how the CWG came up in this conversation. All I said was that it's basically Ludacrise that people don't think that the board are not investing enough in the squad! We should be bringing in quality to the squad that doesn't mean they have to be 5m signings but some times we have to invest that sort of money as the scouting system surely can find cracking young players where eventually profit would be Made!

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SOS, I agree with you and would like to hear the opinion of those who are happy with the non transfer activity of decent players to.

I think it's just the online reaction, there's no doubting this is a sore one. But some seem to have every agenda under the sun and want Celtic to solve it.

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05 Aug 2014 13:07:08
WE ARE CELTIC! We shouldn't have to scour the globe for untested youth. We have one of the biggest fan bases in the world, but we are reduced to being cl wiping bhoys, other clubs literally look down their noses at us and if legia put us out we will have laughing stock to add to that. We should be feared in Europe but instead all we get is patronizing remarks about our atmosphere! The board need to get to go, they are cannibalizing our squad and we are just sat here doing nothing about it except moaning. I have had enough of them!

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03 Aug 2014 20:19:53
Maybe being naive here but what has Celtic park been used for apart from the opening ceremony, I thought the closing ceremony was there too but I see it's at Hampden, could we not of got C P back up and running for what it's meant for after the opening ceremony?

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We are getting a new pitch laid some specially grown grass in from holland think it's the same as real madrids.

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03 Aug 2014 22:49:45
Specially grown grass in from Holland! Ya dancer, might make watchin the fitbaw more bearable

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. Stevie it ain't that TYPE of GRASS mate ;-) even though it is coming from Amsterdam! (unless PL has thought the ultimate plan mate ) and selling it with the "in season" season tickets!

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03 Aug 2014 19:36:13
I've been reading the meltdown all weekend, mine included and some of the views

'That's it I'm not renewing my season ticket they're no getting any of my hard earned cash. I'll pick and choose the home games and I'll go to the away games'

Now I'm nae Einstein but how the bluddy hell is this a boycott and not giving them any more hard earned cash? What's the average price of an away ticket and the home game you pick and choose will be at least £26.

Is it not quite expensive going to away games, I was at 3 last season Motherwell, St Mirren and Partick Thistle and that didn't involve much travel.

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03 Aug 2014 19:23:35
Would it not be better if Celtic played a 2 day tourney at Celtic Park rather than head all over the world chasing a couple of quid as they would make more money as the support would turn out as long as they played the majority of the first team.

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03 Aug 2014 14:19:01
Afternoon Ed, much has been said (me too btw!) about RD possibly now too much

References are being made to WGS, NL and even Tony Mowbray if we dissect that WGS & NL both failed initially at this same hurdle it was only TM who turned that tide beating one of the Moscow (best away result we had in donks) only to unfairly draw Arsenal in the next round (that could not happen now due to structured/changes in format IMO)

I have asked for a number of polls and you have duly obliged but it would be unfair and in bad taste to ask this one so I will refrain it would be unpalatable!

But we have appointed for the first time a real different man who has split opinion

A suspect both WGS & NL in terms of for want of a better explanative used the first of there "cats life's" against Artmedia & Ross County respectively in turn and in tandem a suspect RD has used up his first too unless it is very very bad on Wednesday he will survive IMO

The only real question is having been brought in, in our general consensus and broad spectrum overview as "the cheapest option" overseeing not only financial constraint but in ACTUAL fact fiscal reduction

How many lives will he get? atvb JB7

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I feel that RD is here for the long run with him being the cheap option, anyway if he were to guide us to a treble then PL would become even more smug especially under Lenny the cup runs were abysmal.

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Why do you think Deila will lead us to a treble . I hope he does but I haven't seen anything yet to boost my confidence .

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03 Aug 2014 12:09:14
'What other serious football club would endanger their Champions League chances to accommodate an outdated colonial jamboree' - Davie Provan

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I don't think this is an excuse for the 4-1 defeat in Poland at all where the damage was done. Okay we would feel more confident if the game was at Celtic Park but have to say disagree with his statement!

I know some have issues with the Commonwealth Games for one reason or another but reckon that's a separate issue.

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Although maybe not in those exact sentiments, but I have always said we had lost focus of our priorities and the Murrayfield fiasco is just one of the factors that highlights this.
Provan is always quick to have a nip at us but once again we are making things very difficult for ourselves and arming our detractors and snipers.
Appointing a new untested manager and allowing the squad to deteriorate so badly in quality with early CL qualifiers to negotiate has been severely mismanaged for a club of our stature and expectation.
It is common knowledge we need CL revenue to flourish - along with selling our 'stars' and now our bum is almost entirely oot the windae.

JJ

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Afternoon Mrs E a like DP statement as hopefully Ed could interject here well if not I AM awaiting in the future to see 14/15 accounts to see what (if any) monies Celtic are to / have received from accommodating the CG as a businessman myself there is NO WAY PL has accommodated them for free as a previously indicated I think "the bile" element have classes this as "state aid" please bear in mind as Ed agreed we will not be getting Murrayfield for free! So the only real question is was it 40 / 60 or 80 pieces of silver for PL to have us "decanted" atvb JB7

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As far as I know the use of Celtic Park to host or at least accommodate the Commonwealth Games was taken as early as 2007 . I don't think Celtic could have foretell the C Games would have interfered with Champions League Qualifiers .

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I don't know if Celtic could have reasonably refused with it being such a big thing for Glasgow etc. They will definitely be getting compensated and it will run into a a couple of million I reckon.

The 'bile' lol will also be receiving compensation I would think Jamie. They don't have use of their stadium either, although I don't think the grass has been lifted etc.

JJ - let's hope our bum isn't oot the windae :-) Although I'm worried about how we'd fare in the group stages without a good few players coming in over the next couple of weeks, I like to see us get past this stage and at least guarantee EL.

I'm just not into Murrayfield being an excuse.

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Junglejim I just felt the need to comment on the part about we need CL money to flourish. We've been there a few times recently and I can't for the life of me see the impact it's had. No investment In the team, no infrastructure besides a new car park and relocated ticket office. That's hardly the 10 million out the window. If Celtic get there it looks like the money gets swallowed. No big bucks players.

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If we are going to buy players this window it was always likely to have been in August . Buying players from now on are more likely to be Deila choice .
I don't hold out much hope for anything to be excited about .

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03 Aug 2014 10:32:51
I have just been reading the comments attributed to RD about Tony Watt in the Daily Mail (God forgive me). I have to say they do strike me as a bit strange. I would have loved to see the young man given a final chance as we aren't exactly blessed with striking talent. I know he has blotted his copy book and I have listened to all the stories about his attitude but I felt he was someone who was crying out for direction. Step forward RD?

The reason I find it strange is that RD champions himself as a forward thinking young manager. The Board marketed him as someone who uses the latest conditioning, diets, training and scientific methods to develop players. He promoted Jim McGuinness immediately after taking over because he is a huge advocate of sports psychology. If this is all true then why didn't he see "a player with great potential and ability" as a challenge to his own alleged skill set? Instead he takes a number of weeks to assess him then shows him the door!

He refers to his "past" and the fact that it was hard for him to move away from that but surely everyone started with a clean slate. It's not as if Stokes or Griffiths were/are saints but the same rules don't apply. If we are planning on developing youth at the expense of major investment in transfers then why didn't we start here?

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03 Aug 2014 11:34:31
I think it's down to the board seeing pound signs and couldn't refuse the sale. I don't think Ronny has a saying in anything. The penny pinching is going to get worse, hence the reason craig Gordon was brought in as a replacement for foster and I also think zaluska is engineering a move away. The board just think they can win without a challenge from sevco so go for the cheapest option short changing the supporters.
I do think next season if sevco return then celtic will flex its financial power however they have gambled big time by not investing, evidently in the champions league this season. If we make it through to the group stages I fear the worse.

Attendance is going to be at its lowest this year if the board don't get the finger out .

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I was the same last week and had no issue with RD saying he doesn't give away minutes and players have to prove themselves in training etc - I still don't have an issue with this at all.

My concern is how quickly we have all fell for chat straight out of the Football Manager manual or wanted to believe it. We have a Manager who has no European experience and has only managed in Norway. Don't get me wrong, it's early days for Ronny (weeks) and given time could turn this around. But the same as Lennon, he is the cheap option and allegedly supposed to be Lennon's no 2!

It could all change this week but right now it's looking like Celtic have taken one gamble too many with players and Management. That horror show yesterday was absolutely demoralising for all involved, young players, fans and Club.

Time for Celtic to look at plan b as this one isn't working and that's an understatement.

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We are being fed conflicting information. We are told youth development is the new business plan or 'model' and supposedly has been for a number of years with the investment in Lennoxtown. Maybe I am being impatient but I haven't seen any evidence of this worth talking about. I also don't think we are sitting on a considerable pot of transfer and CL money until Sevco come crawling back, with the intention of using it then. They aren't and shouldn't be applicable to how we run our Club. I would find it incredible if that was the case. We should be investing with European competition in mind, not domestic. Domestic competition or lack of it is emptying seats with the real income and interest coming from CL football

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I didn't want TW to leave because of his potential, but maybe scoring that goal has left his ego too big and would progress better else where! Not that, that does us any good! But RD has giving every one a fresh start and maybe tony has not done as asked of the rest of the squad! I stand by RD I'm p#ssed off about that CL defeat but I believe he can develop greatness because let's face it even if we do quLify for the CL will we get cash to spend? No as per the last few years!

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Tony watt has had some kind of problem with every manager he worked under, they all say he's a nice kid but something must have caused a problem maybe the boy is just stupid/ thick and wont/cant listen to anyone, in Iceland everyone wanted stokes petulance dealt with so the performance and huff watt went into at the penalty being given to atajic at st pauli was the final straw? we all agreed that nl was left a mess by Mowbray and wgs an aging squad with no youth by mon, well rd has been left a squad by nl that most fans don't want /rate in particular 6 strikers who are average to rubbish and by the Gordon and berget deals he is getting held back financially . Poland was bad but for 35 mins we were doing what was needed then the usual suspects caved in, we have had a few years to watch these players and know their weakness rd has had a couple of months and no money to replace them so to get rid of him after one competive game or two if we go out imo is madness, his time to prepare a team was limited coming into these cl ties and most fans if honest knew there was a chance it would be too early for him, the same thing happened to wgs his first season but in hindsight the majority of fans appreciated what he went on to do and would take him back so imo we need to give rd this season to see what he can do as a manager or do we replace managers after every and any defeat, he might even overturn the tie and the fickle fans would be crying genius?

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A take your point abighand but in reference to Griffiths/Stokes a think we were ALL stunned that NEITHER of them made the pitch at the start in Poland! Stokes (although initially injured) has not kicked a ball since his "petulance" in Iceland!

A think the thing with RD as PL sat and "Babysat" him at the initial meet n greet we were ALL won over by him because he was good at it but now with the benefit of hindsight little was expected but he is a SCHOOL TEACHER by trade so to be a good aerator/speaker would not have been alien to him!

His previous asst Neilsen (who by all accounts is dodgy) said forget results it a "dressing room that will get you sacked!" ie you need to win over the players this happened to Mowbray, A think he now knows who he wants and more important who he doesn't! The only real question is can he / will he get the chance to alter it? atvb JB7

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@jeremy - the thing is with the theory of stockpiling cash until Rangers are in the Premier League, where are they going to get money from? I've lost track of their goings-on but are they not living hand to mouth with no credit facility?

Maybe Peter Lawwell knows something we don't like TV or sponsorship cash about to go down, I don't know. But If that is the case, I wish he'd tell us and it would stop some of the miserable board speculation.

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Mrs B, you usually post sensibly, what do you think Plan B should be .

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Mr Yourman, I don't get paid the wage Peter Lawwell does. He is the Chief Executive of Celtic and I can quite appreciate his job will be to maximise income and getting a team that can win on the park using the best of the resources he has. These resources are the best in Scotland and this is where the fan expectations come from - agree?

It's been made clear that finding a Wanyama and selling them on is very much part of plan A and most of would probably expect it to stay that way. There is no argument that the Club have enjoyed recent success with this but when was the last player we sold for a Wanyama price tag, McGeady? I know we had Ki but was he a regular starter and it was obvious the game here didn't suit.

We are now here where most of our team have been sold off and no decent replacements brought in. Transfer window, what transfer window? In my eyes this part of Peter's plan isn't working and it's his job to find one that does. He needs to find a balance where if we do lose a Wanyama or Ledley (remember this isn't Utd losing Ronaldo) we are not massively weaker. That's what he gets paid his big bucks for and right now his big salary - albeit in line with the salary of a Chief Executive at a Club the size of Celtic, isn't justified if he wants Celtic to operate like Aberdeen (no disrespect to The Dons)

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Sorry Mrs T, I thought maybe a plan B
had been mused here and I had missed it .

I don't know if it could be called a plan,
But I am pretty certain if Deila doesn't abandon the formation that he used last Wednesday, that clearly doesn't suit the players he has available and revert in the short time at least to a formation that suits us best just now. A four four two .

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03 Aug 2014 03:19:01
Legia humped us 4-1 (could have been 6 or 7) now Spurs have thumped us 6-1. Still, at least we are sitting with more cash in the bank and we are furiously searching for cheap short term loan deals. I agree we have to be financially sound and we are in a challenging market place but the product being put out on the park is an important part of that market. Having concerns about RD now, hope I'm wrong.

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03 Aug 2014 02:42:58
is all you get at celtic now one competitive game to prove yourself, if we go out of the cl we bin rd if the next doesn't get eoropa we bin him and if the next one hasn't won the league before September we bin him?

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Most fans on here are prepared to give RD a fair crack of the whip and our anger and frustration stems from how the club has arrived at this mess - due to the arrogance and complacency of a Board that has allowed quality and standards to drop drastically by lack of proper investment in the squad and management team while we were in a strong position in 2012/13.

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I know, Its strange as we spent decent money last year so would like to know the real facts behind the finbogason saga did pl refuse to pay/ where we ever actually in for him or did nl just fancy balde pukki derk more? had that money been spent better everyone involved would have come out of it looking good

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Hello Deep river bhoy you asked for the facts surrounding Fingbossan so here they are pal 1) John Park was asked to file a "dossier" on him whilst @ Helsingborg mate he was available circa 600k 2) whilst doing so he came back with the opinion that AF was no more than a (and a quote!) Kris Boyd type something other than a poacher/scorer did not work for the team! 3) Whilst compiling that report he came across a certain Victor Wanyama at Helsingborg 4) wanyama moved on to Belgium where they kept an eye on him 5) On the eve of playing Helsinborg the season before last they sold him to Herneveen of Holland for circa that figure mate! Herneveen are managed by a certain Marco Van Basten who I believe made Fingbossan a much much better player, we obviously went on to buy Wanyama mate 6) Finally mate we were NEVER going to pay 5 mill for a player we never rated @ 600k pal said this to Hamiltonbhoy previously! Fingbossan went for 8 million euros circa 6.8 mill mate atvb drb jb7!

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{Ed007's Note - Finnbogason was on a 6 months loan at Helsinborgs from Belgian club Lokeren, it was from them he joined Heerenveen. That was in 2012, Wanyama left Helsinborgs in 2008 for Beerschot and was a Celtic player by the time Finnbogason was on loan at the Swedish team.}

Happy to stand corrected on the dates Ed but that is how it was relayed to me but a know when watched at Helsingborg he was not rated mate atb

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I know his background story pal, as I looked up on helsingborgs when we were about to /could draw them said on here we should look at him and i'm sure it was ed who pointed out his loan status and we couldn't sign him as he had been registered with two clubs? I also know the john park story and have mentioned it many times on here, what I wanted to know was, before we wasted our money on balde pukki and derk did we actually put any bids in for him last season did pl penny pinch /baulk at the price or did nl prefer the other three, als his stats and his allround play would justify buying a player at his price or did pl, nl et al not want to look stupid for not going for him when he was cheap

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03 Aug 2014 00:23:59
I have heard that we are in for Danish sweeper Støvsuger. My cousin saw him in the terminal at Glasgow airport and a good friend saw him in the foyer at Celtic Park.

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Well spotted Kevbhoy.

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