Celtic Banter Archive September 30 2017

 

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30 Sep 2017 22:53:57
Just seeing Gordons save . whooow . brillant.

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01 Oct 2017 04:13:50
I'm sick of this pi$h.
Honestly I'm at my whits end.
Forrest is playing well. Bitton seen us through qualifications. And McGregor. don't get me started on that guy.
Loosing my ducking mind HH 😂.

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01 Oct 2017 04:17:57
Boyata call up after the Munich game. Mystical megan material. Who knows these days. I never had a clue to begin with.

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01 Oct 2017 10:50:52
Rg wee mcgregor is the most underated player in Scotland look at the goals he scores.

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30 Sep 2017 22:18:10
Strachan needs to look at Macgregor and Mcginn for Brown and Armstrong. Bet it does not happen and he will go back to old slow and useless.

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30 Sep 2017 23:38:49
I am more impressed with McGregor every time I see him and McGinn is a guy who might be good enough for us one day. I agree they should be considered for Scotland.

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01 Oct 2017 02:47:08
jonace - Strachan is a strange little man, I never fully took to him at Celtic. I fear he might shoot himself in the foot and blame the media. Again.

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01 Oct 2017 09:36:48
I think Mc Ginn would be a good replacement for Broony. It won't be Ntcham. The longer we leave it, the more his price will go up. He drives forward, a thing that as yet Ntcham hasn't shown. I'm hoping he has just had an awful drop in form and recovers, but, he has been awful these last few games and is only in because we spent so much money on him.

Go for McGinn in January I say, at the very least we will recoup our money on him, right now to me Ntcham looks like a waste of money and I'm sorry if that offends the happy clappers who hate any criticism of players. The onus is on him to stop playing like he is and live up to the fee and wages he is picking up. Pointing out he has been awful is just stating the truth, he needs to get his act together fast. Passing sideways and back is not what we bought him to do.

Both him and Hayes have been dire and haven't moved the team forward one inch. If anybody argues they have they need to take off the green specs.

Mcgreggor on the bench when either plays, Armstrong and Rogic too, is not doing the team any favours with, on current form, putting us two men down.

Hayes will never be good enough, Ollie has a chance but so far looks nowhere near what we need. That's just a fact and if you don't agree watch the last three games to help you out.

Offer £2m and Hayes for McGinn in January.

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01 Oct 2017 10:06:57
hayes is a squad player

don't think he is any better than gms who went the other way.

he played well for Aberdeen and was the right price for us.

ntcham has potential, he's young and finding his way - I also believe he has been told by BR to be the forward thinking midfielder (whilst others are defensive) so he is passing the ball into areas full of opposition - whereas a defensive midfielder passes the ball back to their own defence

I would give ntcham time - potential is there to see with the pass for the first goal on Belgium as proof.

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01 Oct 2017 10:26:49
One pass doth not a player make. I hope you are right, but he is not player to drive us forward as Rogers stated he needed.

If he is worth £4.5m on current form, then the market really has gone nuts.

Hayes shouldn't be anywhere near the squad. I cannot believe we gave the sheep £1.3m for a 29 year old who has brought absolutely nothing so far. I know we are a charitable club but for feck sake we are taking it too far. Christie at the Dons who is a player and we are giving Hayes game time. Again, only because Rogers has paid far to much for him. On the basis of form he shouldn't be on the bench never mind the field.

Anybody kidding themselves in the signings we have made have moved in forward are lying to themselves. It will be last years players that win us the treble. That's not progress when you have spent £5.5m.

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01 Oct 2017 10:32:31
I fear Ronnie, I mean Gordon, might play one of the Fletcher's or both.

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01 Oct 2017 13:51:58
Magic, i think you're jumping the gun on Ntcham. He's young, and young players lose form, he'll come good again.

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02 Oct 2017 08:25:22
Steph I hope you're right, but even when he was playing better, he didn't drive forward and if we are a team built on power and speed, I didn't see that in his game then either.

He slows us down with continuous easier passes sideways or backwards. His forward passing has been awful as we have all witnessed.

We are better when he isn't playing. That's just a fact. Armstrong, Rogic and McGreggor all give us more. That is just a fact too.

He has the work to do to justify the fee. So far, nowhere near convincing me he has improved us.

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30 Sep 2017 22:04:44
Too many fans jumping on ntchams back. Give the guy a chance he's only been here 2 months. Yes his passing hasn't been up to it at times but that will improve more as he works with Rodgers. Same goes for edouard. He's 19 and doesn't speak a word of English. Give the boys some time to settle.

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30 Sep 2017 22:25:22
That's well and good irishkiwi, but we've some good young guys from our youth who don't get that luxury, thought both were very poor today, especially edourdo, could be he's trying too hard, but just don't the bk he has it.

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01 Oct 2017 01:42:54
Some guys in our youth? Who is that? Aitchison a 16 year old kid? Who else place are these players taking? don't tell me that youth doesn't get a chance. Tierney, ralston, mcgregor, forrest among others are youth players that got the chance and now play all now play important rolls. The bottom line is if the youth is good enough and ready they will get the chance. The same people criticizing these players will be singing their praises next week when they score the winner or play out of their skin.

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01 Oct 2017 02:18:50
hes rubbish, let's not beat about the bush here.

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01 Oct 2017 02:31:24
Jamesbhoy and you're probably one of the many who said dembele was rubbish and boyata was rubbish and rogic was rubbish eh? Or are you always right? Get a grip mate, both of them came from man city and psg so they must have something or wouldn't have got near them clubs. Maybe they won't improve but why not give them a chance.

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01 Oct 2017 08:14:39
Irishkiwi, Forrest and mcgregor still get pelters from some of our supporters, did Ryan Christie, mackay Stevens, Henderson, get that luxury? and if I could be arsed I could name a few more.
There's other options I prefer in midfield, and haven't been the biggest fan of ntcham since he signed, but at the end of the day, only 1 guys opinion that counts and it's not mine or yours.

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01 Oct 2017 10:00:54
Christie Mackey steven and Henderson WERE given a chance and weren't good enough so moved on. They all have been with Celtic for a couple of years at least each. These 2 lads are only in the door Christ sake. Yes I know and you are probably one of them that give the 2 of them pelters after a bad game.

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01 Oct 2017 11:31:04
I think you'll find that Christie has a role to play next year when he returns and we will reap the benefit of him getting a full season under his belt with a very competitive Aberdeen side.

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30 Sep 2017 21:18:16
Just landed back from the game. A case of a Brussels hangover. Too many underperforming players today and a couple who simply put aren’t anywhere near good enough. Edouard is nowhere near showing any kind of potential that justifies him starting ahead of the likes of Aitchison never mind £6/ 7 million transfer fee. He doesn’t make the right runs and is guilty of hiding today in the first 45 before being rightly hooked. Hayes was another who can’t grow to make our shirt fit him. Fine for Aberdeen but not for us. A few others weren’t at it today and we badly missed the drive of our captain Fantastic. Still, we showed enough fight to get a point and I thought Hibs were worthy of their point. Well done Calum McGregor.

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30 Sep 2017 22:17:30
I agree, also thought ntcham, and lustig were poor too, but give hibs their due, they played well, and thought ambrose was solid.

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30 Sep 2017 22:44:30
I would cut Nitcham some slack, he came onto a game on Wednesday and never hid. Lustig on the other hand has, for me, been poor for a while. I think he's been a good servant to us but his distribution lately has been terrible. He makes too many mistakes for me so when Ralstons fit again, I'd have hi in. All in though, still got the unbeaten run after some tough away games. Apart from Greyskull.

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01 Oct 2017 00:23:37
Hibs did well and McGinn was very good. As for us European hangovers can happen, I honestly said to my brother at 2-1 down that I'd take a defeat to Lennons Hibs and get this weight off our back. When we scored I went nuts and told my brother - I meant what I said. Neither of us believed me. Hail Hail.

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01 Oct 2017 08:54:15
Croybhoy you are righ about Lustig. Done his time here. Ntcham may come good but for £4.5m he should be doing better don't think we can afford a £4.5m project. Hayes is the new Cifti, looked good for Aberdeen but he definitely won't cut it at Celtic. Without Brown Ntcham is exposed and I think its a problem position for us. Edouard will need time but is no where near a £7m player, so can only see him go back to PSG at end of season. What showed today is we don't really have more than 15 players who can win us games. The second string, Bitton included, are decent but not Celtic quality.

I understand about all the games we have but I think BR got it wrong today. We have a 2 week break coming up. Dembele not fit, play Griff. Play Sinclair and Roberts. if you want to hook them after 60 mins then do it but start them. Brown is a massive loss and we have no one really we can replace him with.

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30 Sep 2017 21:10:23
Bhoys. aye or naw? At midday last Saturday if you were offered the last three results we've had would you have taken it . it's an aye fae me ☘.

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30 Sep 2017 21:22:42
Aye as long as last Saturday wasn't dropped points.

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30 Sep 2017 21:53:36
Absolutely an Aye 👍🍀
Although A little disappointing we didn't win today then again we did well to hold on to our unbeaten record run in fairness.
Hail Hail ✊️🍀🇮🇪.

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01 Oct 2017 00:30:03
Aye. Especially as the record seemed done and I tried to kid myself it would be fine. I said the same nonsense to my son in January when I took him to his first 2 games against St Johnstone and then Aberdeen. A 38 year old trying to kid himself and his 11 year old boy is hard on the system. Thankfully it worked out.

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30 Sep 2017 18:29:16
Question: I can't think of any other ex-Celtic manager who came back and managed anothet team against us? I think Lennons the first? ☘️.

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30 Sep 2017 20:48:08
Davie hay with st mirren but am no sure mate.

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30 Sep 2017 21:04:05
JFP would need to check but I think Davie Hay done it with St. Mirren Dunfermline and maybe Livingston as co manager / manager.

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30 Sep 2017 22:38:40
Billy McNeil was director of football for hibs then took over the team when Duffy was sacked to maybe him to?

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01 Oct 2017 00:46:40
Billy Stark with St Johnstone 2002.

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01 Oct 2017 02:19:53
stark was only celtic assistant.

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01 Oct 2017 09:24:16
Billy Stark was caretaker manager.

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30 Sep 2017
New image uploaded to the
Celtic Player Sightings page entitled, New hotel approved

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30 Sep 2017 17:32:21
Poor second half for us. Hibs must have been told by Lenny to press us harder up the park. They just seemed more determined to get to every second ball. The boy McGinn was given far to much respect. To be fair, it was a great game spoiled again by Scotlands worst referee. That man should be investigated for some of his decisions. Absolute shocker!

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30 Sep 2017 18:02:14
Was it a penalty? Looked lie it at the end?

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30 Sep 2017 18:29:54
Stone wall penalty.

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30 Sep 2017 20:43:38
Pen all day and if it was advantage he should still have pulled it back because he did it for hibs but is he not a hibee.

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30 Sep 2017 16:55:15
Callum Callum mcgregor
There's no one better
He's like me n u
He loves Celtic too
Oh oh
Oh oh.

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30 Sep 2017 18:00:16
For anybody who still thinks we don't stutter without broony today us another example. Ntcham is not the answer. poor passing and terrible finishing cost us. Sinclair should have had a penalty but he also should have scored.

Hibs play like that and 2nd place is possible. They are better than the Huns.

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30 Sep 2017 18:21:56
Need to give Ntcham a break he's a young boy trying to gain first team experience and adjust to a new league and surroundings he will do good for us.

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30 Sep 2017 18:32:07
Ntcham very poor today. Think Armstrong a far better option on today's showing.

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30 Sep 2017 18:36:10
Of course Armstrong is a better choice but he is injured. What a statement.

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30 Sep 2017 19:08:17
Half expected that from Lenny today. We made changes and they were right up for it. Still unbeaten thanks to McGregor.

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30 Sep 2017 19:53:51
**** Lennon he can be adored when he's retired.

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30 Sep 2017 20:27:08
Need to give Ntcham a bit of leeway, he just needs a bit of time to cut out the stray passes, don't know if it's a confidence thing, maybe in this case, over confidence, but think back, wasn't Boyata guilty of giving the ball away a lot in his first games.

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30 Sep 2017 20:45:18
Anybody else think dembele looks out of shape looks like he's towing one of pedros caravans.

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30 Sep 2017 22:41:23
Agree, we aren't the same team without Broony. His presence is important. HH.

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01 Oct 2017 00:36:04
I love Broony and respect his importance, I just expected this ten years ago when he never really quite got there. I appreciate he had injuries and personal grief to deal with but I thought we'd have this Broony the whole time. At least he's fully on it now and appreciated for it. Hail Hail.

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30 Sep 2017 23:11:57
Bit harsh welsh boy.

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30 Sep 2017 23:31:56
hes got about 2 stones to lose off his arse mally.

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30 Sep 2017 14:41:35
Not able to go the game today, is there any websites that its likely I could get a decent stream on does anyone know?

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30 Sep 2017 15:51:54
Hesgoal. com.

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30 Sep 2017 16:54:04
Used that Hesgoal. com on my mobile, just now, very impressed with it.

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30 Sep 2017 14:11:50
Under 23 game is on Swansea tv live just kicked off.

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30 Sep 2017 12:32:07
Heading to the game with my 80yr old mother in law in tow. Can anyone advise where to park. Seats in Lisbon lions lower but wanna go to superstore before game. Want to limit the walking. TIA.

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30 Sep 2017 13:39:10
You should have phoned up during the week Stuart explained your sito you would probably have a got a hospitality pass might be too late to phone run up to the steward at the bottom of the lane in your motor explain your situ ask to drop your MIL @ Superstore and then you park worse case scenario (y)

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30 Sep 2017 19:12:05
Thanks JB, we ended up doing just about that. Worked out near perfect, told her she wasn't coming back right enough. fkn jinx😆.

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30 Sep 2017 22:53:08
Your welcome mate nice to know it worked well Ss 👍.

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30 Sep 2017 12:02:12
Anyone know how many players are out injured at the moment Ta.

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30 Sep 2017 13:18:52
Ralston
Brown
Armstrong
Eboue
Sviatchenko.

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30 Sep 2017 14:40:13
What's armstrongs injury?

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30 Sep 2017 08:39:43
Morning all,
Looking forward to the game today.
Obviously going to be a few changes with the injuries to Brown and Armstrong. This is when we see the strength and depth in our squad.
McGregor and Biton will come in and I think Dembelle will start.
Any thoughts?
Going for a 2-0 win.
COYBIG🍀🍀.

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30 Sep 2017 09:26:05
Think it will be a difgicult game. Oliver is not on his game and hope he does not sit in middle with Bitton. Not over confident.

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30 Sep 2017 10:05:57
Broony will be missed all over the pitch and Armstrong was just starting to find a bit of form; however, McGregor, Biton and Ntcham are more than capable of filling in and we still have plenty of attacking options and permutations.
I normally hate international breaks, but at least it will help towards the recovery time for injuries.

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30 Sep 2017 10:23:39
Olivier had a bad 15 minutes against anderlecht Johnnymac. He was involved in 2 of the goals Aswell. I'd hardly call that off his game.

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30 Sep 2017 12:41:00
The iass for the first goal aside he was awful furst half but played well second.

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30 Sep 2017 18:50:21
KenLikeEh. After that display by Oliver maybe its you that wants to reconsider your post. he is definetly ifc his game. And as for hus performance against Anderlecht it was poor.

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30 Sep 2017 08:04:35
@DRB; To be fair mate there is a lot of 'window dressing'in this project but the team will always be first. My own take is that the BR factor has kicked this on. that's how important this guy is. In many ways its a circle of trust, now for the first time since O'Neill we have our ducks in a row. We trust BR, the board trust BR, our gates and associated sales go up the board invest from strength. for maybe the first time ever.

As for the financials? A hotel will never raise Mbappe type cash, it will though chuck money into the pot. Its really about viable spending, use it or lose it to tax. From the details available, which were not great, i would be looking for a turnover of around £1m. This is dependant on who runs it, will we lease units or are we controlling ALL properties. The latter will bring a bigger return i would think as more cash will go through the club.

Trust me DRB, this is a good thing. Everything is on an upward curve, youth, first team, good young signings and a board, Manager and fans pulling together.

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30 Sep 2017 11:13:59
As I said gj I'm not against it and the Celtic way looks great I have the named bricks for my father and brother on it (god rest their souls)
And as you said everything about us looks like a proper set up now. but it's cynical historical thing with me I believe you are like me in your mid 50s so you will have had to suffer all the times in the past we've got to this position before only for the board to sit on their thumbs and refuse to back the manager and the team then takes two steps back and let's oldco back on top. that i know won't happen for a long time sebco and the rest are struggling to even get close to us Never mind overtake us . im not looking for epl spending as I know we can't do that (Even with a chain of hotels) I'm also not wanting to see money spent just for the sake of it either. but when I hear talk of proper business models and healthy balance sheets etc . i get the old deja vu. i can criticise the past but not foretell tbe future so hopefully as you say br has / Will end that cycle. but the the next few windows will tell 🤔🤔🤔.

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{Ed007's Note - The hotel complex, the investment, improvement and maintenance of Lennoxtown, the ongoing maintenance of CP and the buildings already there, the new PA system that was installed at CP, the wifi at CP, the Celtic Way's building and maintenance, the money for the planned big rotating screen outside the stadium and even the £2 million new pitch we're half way through installing - everything I've listed has nothing to do with the money available to spend on players, nothing at all.}

30 Sep 2017 11:46:56
@DRB; I get you mate. We seem to have had a lot of false dawns, all the way from Jock (Di Stefano) through to Ronny but this is different. This is BR's time. There is a real togetherness i have not seen since the Centenary year. Previously the board might have been accused of penny pinching but they are not stupid. What i am really excited about is the youth and a Manager who will pitch them in to anything. Add these together and its a powerful thing.

This is the model we have been waiting years for, a modern forward thinking European club. It might have took a while but i am certain this board will kick on like no other, as i say they are not stupid men.

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30 Sep 2017 12:45:40
Dont think there listening ed. but when we go on our travels we have our fans raving about the facilities at these top class European clubs. so now we're starting to improve we're looking for negatives am all for it and let's get the training dome at lennoxtown as well HH.

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30 Sep 2017 13:30:46
Fook sake Ed, You keep talking like that I WILL be looking for advice aff you :-D (Y)

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{Ed007's Note - It's not rocket science is it, Jamie?}

30 Sep 2017 13:37:58
Like the indoor training park Tommy burns aked for and never got? . mally I don't want to be stuck in the past standing in stale pish in an antiquated stadium and yes developing all aspects of is club is appreciated. ed as i said I don't know if these improvements will/ could or have halted/ hindered investment in the squad I'm just a glass half empty rather than half full type when talking about the boards backing of the team . i've praised Peter lawell / board for the job he / they do on the off field work . but it's as I said to gj I've seen them neglecting the team too many times in the past. hopefull after the next few windows I can raise a half full glass to them.

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{Ed007's Note - I'm not even going to bother trying to explain it any more.}

03 Oct 2017 11:30:56
Where does this money come from then. Lawell has been quoted many times saying every penny will be used to strengthen the team. Now I know that he was exaggerating but the sums involved, if not taken from the overall earnings of the club means it's coming from somewhere else.

Are they perhaps taking loans to fund it and then service those loans through income generated. That's how I would have done it.

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