Celtic Banter Archive May 30 2012

30 May 2012 20:40:06
What a shower of cowards running clubs in Scotland , if rankers are allowed to get away with this behaviour ,then what is the point of having a football league at all, if this happens I won't set foot into any ground in Scotland ,if there is no honesty what is the point, can't see this being posted but I can't believe others are not disgusted with the thought of this outcome.

Vatman.

I totally agree with you Vatman

I say throw them out the SPL and let them rot. Theyre cheats. Simple as that. Theyve always thought theyre supereior to other teams, nobody can touch them, we are the people blah blah blah. Just die.

30 May 2012 20:02:44
Cheers ed just used to the press trying to unsettle us when we're doing ok and they aren't

Howie bhoy {Ed007's Note - No worries.}

30 May 2012 19:55:32
geranosaurus extinct bye bye bri67

30 May 2012 15:25:31
ed see the fighting fund that the shame had , would that have been liable for tax do you know lol

hail hail

Marco1888 {Ed007's Note - Yes it will be as far as I know.}

I wonder if they paid any tax on this cos I was under the impression that only charitable organizations are not libel for tax

hail hail

Marco1888

30 May 2012 18:30:44
I think the sfa should throw it back at rangers tell them its the embargo or expulsion they can choose anyone agree

I agree 100% , but as they have not admitted "blame" for any wrongdoings or showed any remorse i dont think they'd accept this .

30 May 2012 13:53:41
I see the SPL have bottled it again. If Rangers get off scot free that's me done with Scottish Football. The SFA/SPL have a chance to put their foot down and show all members who's really in charge but yet again they choose money over fair play. It's a sad day indeed...

TerribleBeauty

Another example of buck passing and indecision by a man who clearly doesnt have the bottle to do what needs doing , Stewart Gilmour the St Mirren chairman was making the right noises today , remains to be seen if he backs up his words when the time comes to vote , it only needs 5 chairmen to do the right thing , lets hope enough have the stregnth of their convictions . Drewzybhoy .

I think you'll find it currently only needs two. Although with voting reform it might require 3

I thought on the vote for expelling them it required an 8-4 majority .

30 May 2012 07:27:23
hi sorry ghuys this is a bit long but a good read.

Where we are and what next for Celtic I’m out most of today and
anticipate any number of events, so here’s a synopsis to help keep the various balls in play to mind. Apologies for the enormous number of ‘ifs’ but there are so many imponderables:
It is still possible that the Green consortium will propose a CVA. If they do, creditors will vote on it in mid-June and Rangers will be included in the SPL fixtures for next season, which will be issued before a creditors’ vote. Green will need to come up with some cash to keep the CVA alive
long enough to get to the creditor’s vote, this is likely to be his most immediate problem. If he finds the money to last until mid-June and the CVA is accepted (it won’t be) Rangers will emerge from administration
and take their place in the SPL next season.
If Green cannot find a backer to pay player wages and other costs until a CVA verdict is reached, Rangers will beliquidated this week.
Pop!
Once the decision has been taken not to pursue a CVA, whoever has control of the stadium can apply to the SPL to acquire the league share
previously held by Rangers for entry into the league next season.
The SPL have asked Rangers to produce information relating to the alleged double contract issue in advance of the SPL general meeting tomorrow, hereafter known as Prima Facie Day. League and member clubs will officially know if Rangers have rigged the system for over
a decade, or not, or if they have refused to comply with SPL instructions. Right now there is at least a 50% chance that Duff and Phelps will not attend the meeting on Wednesday and ask the SPL to
reconvene next week to give them more time to conduct an asset sale. Before the meeting, be it tomorrow or next week, Green, the Blue Knights, or an as-yet unnamed bidder, will make the best offer for the
stadium and apply to the SPL to enter a Newco.
Neil Doncaster’s proposal will be discussed, as will any other suggested way forward and a vote will be taken.
While the alleged cheating may influence how some members vote, the disciplinary and Newco vote matters will take different paths. Any disciplinary action will go through due process (you know how litigious they are).
Celtic will vote against Newco. My best source reckons we are still outnumbered and that more lobbying is needed, but in all
honesty, no one really knows
how the vote will go. We’ll
come back to the consequences
of this point.
If the SPL vote against Newco
the story is likely to go quiet for
a number of months. At some
point in the future someone is
likely to apply to the Scottish
Football League for a Newco,
based at Ibrox, to enter the
league. Alternatively, an existing
SFL club may buy or rent Ibrox,
change name and move there.
If the SPL vote to allow a Newco
access to the league next
season, it will be subject to
sanctions already imposed on
Rangers, like the ban on player
registrations (assuming the
entire project is not killed by the
club being thrown out of
football as a result of the Court
of Session case). It will also be
subject to any sanctions
imposed due to the alleged
cheating for over a decade.
Rangers currently have around
40 players registered. If the
company goes into liquidation
all players can leave as free
agents. A Newco would be able
to retain any players who didn’t
want to leave, however, any
player able to attract a
competitive offer is likely to
leave. TUPE laws require the
new employer (Newco) to
maintain pay and conditions of
any staff transferring from
Rangers who choose to join
Newco.
If a Judicial Panel find Rangers subverted Scottish football for over a decade, any Newco awarded Rangers SPL share would be liable for Rangers punishment. This may well be expulsion from the SFA. There is no set timescale for such hearings although the SFA have a new and faster process.
To summarise the (known) unknowns:
Charles Green doesn’t know if creditors will accept a CVA and will need to pay to find out. He doesn’t know how the SPL will vote or what punishment a Judicial Panel would impose if Rangers are found to have cheated. The SPL still don’t know if they will have an application to consider, and if they do, who it will come from. They also don’t know how a Judicial Panel will punish Rangers or a Newco.The SFA know nothing, apart, perhaps, from what school their staff went to.
Craig Whyte, Charles Green and his investors, the Blue Knights, Rangers management, players, staff and fans don’t know if there will be any football team playing at Ibrox again.
None of them know the most intriguing question of all, what is the next thing to arrive from left field (unknown, unknowns)? No one believes the story is at an end.
So what about Celtic?
A future within Scotland is no longer tenable, no matter what happens. Rangers are a busted flush. They are either dead, fatally wounded or completely trashed. The SPL is, to put it mildly, flawed. We have outgrown the game here socially, morally and economically. Scottish football holds nothing for us apart from straightforward access to the Champions League. The possible vote and on-going inquiries will change nothing in this respect. Celtic will have a future but it must be beyond Scotland. It’s time to find another league and move.

hail hail

Marco1888

It's always 'what if' with you Marco.

I get the impression that you can't get on with you day-to-day life because you are constantly worried that Rangers don't receive the punishment you want.

Stop stressing. Try sparking open a nice cold can of T and chilling the Fleck out ;-).

TTG

You really have too much time on your hands

JG

30 May 2012 13:04:55
Presumably the SFA have the option to appeal the CoS ruling. Or indeed ignore it.

30 May 2012 12:41:31
If Carlsberg did administrations.........they would be nowhere near as hilarious as D&P's! These guys are serious donks, and getting paid handsomely for it!

Couldnae make it up! Wonder if wee Craigie-boy's getting a cut of the millions D&P are making from this, I'm sure Mr Grier will weigh him in with a cheeky wee backhander!......or am I just being a stereotypical, paranoid disciple of the unwashed? lol......up yeez!

Miko x

Am sure yer right miko there's definately an end game with the rangers situation regarding duff n duffer and agent whyte they knew this was going to happen and have struck a deal were both parties make a killing no doubt
bigD

30 May 2012 09:50:36
Yesterday's decision by the Court of Session now means Rangers will die by the death of a thousand cuts, or will it?

Ordinarily, I would have expected the SFA to hand out a new punishment of expulsion from the Scottish Cup for one year when the matter is referred back to the Appeals Panel. It is a way of increasing the punishment and appeasing FIFA. Possibly a deduction of league points as well, for taking the matter to the civil courts.

However, the mother of all offences will shortly come before the beaks to make a new disciplinary decision on, that being dozens of Rangers players having dual contracts.

This new offence is far, far more serious than not paying your taxes for several months. It is financial doping on an industrial scale over a 10 year period to gain a sporting advantage.

So if the SFA dish out a one year suspension from the Scottish Cup for non payment of taxes, what will they be forced to dish out once the dual contract come before them. It will either be demotion to a lower league or to put the poor beast out of it's misery and expel it from the game. Remember FIFA are now watching more intently than before and will look for a more severe penalty to be imposed here.

It might just be in the SFA and Rangers interest to expel the club NOW from the league for a period of one year, forcing liquidation and let them come back after a one year break as a Newco.

Will this happen, in the real world possibly, in Scottish Football, probably not, they'll wriggle of the hook somehow.

K-Dot.

No one in a prominent position in Scottish Football has the minerals to do what really needs to be done to this joke of a club , from Regan , Doncaster to club chairmen themselves , they are showing that Rangers are the only important thing in Scottish Football , more so than the National Team and definately far more inportant than clubs playing in Europe , Scottish Football is not dying , it is DEAD and can no longer be taken seriously by anyone outside our shocking corrupt little country .

30 May 2012 07:32:26
so it has finally come down to a choice for the scottish football authorities .keep doing what you have done throughout your entire history and back rangers and let them off with years of cheating or back the rest of the honest clubs and the national team , who will all be thrown out of european and world football. this is now a no brainer , if the transfer embargo was illegal they now have no coice expulsion wheather it be for 12 months or for ever {i choose the second option} they have to be kicked out . rangers football club are a shameful , disrespectful , dishonest embarressment to scotland and and the worst thing about them is they wont accept responsability , they still think they have done nothing wrong . so in conclusion fellow hoops , if the spl, sfa , uefa , fifa , sfl , whoever does the right thing it will be JELLY AND ICE CREAM ... TODAY..BB

Drama Queen..........

TTG

Read somewhere that the sfa could say to rangers to accept the transfer ban or be expelled, can they do this? hope so! johnbhoy79

29 May 2012 23:48:56
Dear Peter ,
We owe your club £40,000 , but I would like you to accept £3600 in lieu of payment , your co-operation in this matter would be greatly appreciated .
Yours insincerely
Charlie Green .

Dear Facepainter ,
We appear to owe you £40 , please accept the enclosed postal order for £3.60 and we'll say no more about it , look forward to doing business again in the future
Regards
Charlie Green .

Dear Charlie take your £3600 and shove it up your ar£e"....... Yours insincerely Peter........DH

Its about the SFA took off their blue tinted glasses and punished rangers with the harshest sanctions possible. This is the only way to ensure that integrity and fair play is upheld for the benefits of all Scottish football. pb