Celtic Banter Archive November 02 2015

02 Nov 2015 17:48:05
Glad to see Biton has signed until 2020.

No doubt he won't stay with us until then as he will get punted as soon as someone meets our asking price. Anyway, I look forward to watching him while he is still a Celt.

02 Nov 2015 18:14:29
Rabmac, I would hate to have the same cynics me and lack of faith in the club I love and support . I don't think we sold any of our better players that hadn't demanded a move over the last five years at least.

02 Nov 2015 18:44:46
Have to agree there Old Bhoy I feel that if Van Dijk, Wanyama, Hooper and Forster etc really wanted to stay at the club then we would have kept them. They simply wanted to leave for bigger wages, better league and International ambitions etc.

Got to say I was grinning like a cheshire cat when I heard the news a couple of hours ago. Seems so rare these days that a decent quality player who could get a move to the EPL actually wants to stay longer here, very refreshing and it shows the effect our club can sometimes have on players and how connected/attached they become to the club and fans. At the end of the day experiencing a European night at Paradise is priceless.

Would now like to see Rogic tied up soon to a new deal but don't expect that to happen until maybe next Summer when he's had a few more games and solidified that no.10 role behind the striker.

Not too fussed on Forrest getting a new deal just think as soon as he gets one he'll break down again and become injured all the time and it'll be a waste of a wage.

Need to try and find a way to get Stokes, Mulgrew, Boeriggter and few others who aren't in Ronny's plans off the wage bill.

02 Nov 2015 19:10:37
I agree with most you have said celticforever apart from Forrest for me I would keep him he brings something to the game we don't have some one like him really can't expect to turn it on for 90 minuets I can see some improvement not the finished article but until we bring in another play maker we have to keep him.

02 Nov 2015 19:25:36
Old Bhoy, There is nothing cynical about stating the obvious, Ronny Deila said over the weekend that we are a selling club.
You seem to live in a fantasy world where every decision taken by the Celtic board is correct and should never be questioned. Most fans however live in the real world and are fed up with the way the club has been downsized over the last few years.
I think it's people like you who are harming the club more, because you just seem happy to accept anything this board says without question, you seem to think that's showing support. Just remember though that Lawwell and the rest are in it to make money for themselves, if that means Celtic investing less in the team so they can achieve this, then that is what they will do.
That isn't cynical, it's just a statement of fact.

02 Nov 2015 21:06:46
Gerryc list the names of the players Celtic have sold for more than £5m who haven't publicly demanded a move over the last five years .

02 Nov 2015 22:00:01
Forrest is currently in talks regarding an extension to his existing contract. Going by what he is saying I think it is only a matter of time before he signs it.

I know opinion is divided over him but I rate him. IN addition, he seems to have bulked up his muscle mass, this along with Ronny's new regime seems to be helping him avoid injury (fingers crossed)

02 Nov 2015 22:15:54
Its not about them publicly demanding a tranfer, its about how long was left on their contract, its become a gamble keeping the players and progressing further in the cl and earning more money, or cashing in on the tranfers, I mean I think VVD was looking for a transfer last year but he was kept a bit longer.

03 Nov 2015 00:18:47
All Football players ambitions are to get a move to the Premiership Nowadays, A huge salary on offer also helps. European Participation is the only Carrot Cfc can dangle (although mainly Europa League nowadays) . The days of playing for Silverware, Medals, Honours has gone. Its all about the £££££. The working class man's sport has been ruined by Greed and Billionaire's play toys., . Its Great Biton has signed till2020 and Hopefully Rojic follows suit. If JF can stay injury free and produce a better final ball I would offer him a deal ( But frustrates the life out you at times) . Hopefully young Aiden Nesbitt& Joe Thompson can get some first Team Football at some point when the League is sewn up.

03 Nov 2015 00:33:29
Aindoh its everything about publicly demanding a transfer and refusing to consider a new contract . Both Big Victor and Virgil demanded to get a move within six /twelve months of joining . It was only by good management by our football management and Lawwell that we managed to get a couple of years out of them .
The difference with Bitton, and Lustig, Ambrose and Izzy before him they have shown a commitment to Celtic by signing new deals .

03 Nov 2015 07:32:49
I would take Biton signing an extention as a good sign of the clubs progression. Why would he sign a new contract if there was no sign of the club going the right way?
He cleary has passion for the club, no doubt but he wouldn't sign if he didn't feel that the club didn't progress, given the rumours of other clubs.
I think some of the pressure the players and the club has had over the last months has been to much, and the fans has done their share to let them feel it. (no offence guys)

Think Biton's contract and form, and Tierney is a good sign of what to come if given the time and support.

03 Nov 2015 09:23:09
Great news that Biton has signed. Even if the board do decide to sell at least it increases his value although its refreshing to see someone who genuinely wants to stay at the club. All the players mentioned before did their best to engineer moves away. One exception was Hooper who signed a contract so that the club could get a fee for him. VVD was only interested in VVD.

03 Nov 2015 14:00:16
Old Bhoy, you are missing the point, players will inevitably be sold, that's the way football is these days, and most clubs are in the same position.
Where our board is badly lacking in my opinion, is the way it goes about replacing these players, too many times the replacements are simply not good enough, and if you think I'm wrong, then just look at our decline in European competition over the last few years, also look at some of the names, Cifti Boeriggter, Balde, Pukki, do you think these players are good enough for Celtic.
You may be happy with that decline, but I don't think it's fair on supporters to have to pay to watch a drop in standards, while people in the boardroom are making money out of this drop in standards.
I think that every effort should go in to getting the strongest team that Celtic can assemble, I would rather the money we get in from transfers was used for this, I don't think this money should be used to fund Directors bonuses, especially as they are wealthy men anyway.

03 Nov 2015 16:02:46
You refused to answer the question as to which top players the Celtic board sold who hadn't forced their departure .
Maybe you could answer another question could you tell me how much of the transferred in money was used to fund director's bonuses.

03 Nov 2015 19:18:39
The transfer fees we receive go to balance the books, the books need balancing because your hero Lawwell has ensured that we don't qualify for the Champions league any more by not investing in the team. By balancing the books he gets his bonus.
That is what I mean by wanting to invest the money in the team rather than going to balance the books. If we were qualifying for the Champions league, the books would probably balance themselves.
As for your other question. Celtic are a selling club, there is no dispute about that, Ronny Deila said so at the weekend, Dermot Desmond has said it, so I don't know what point you're trying to make, the plan is to buy in young players, try to improve them, and sell them on at a profit, Celtic don't need to force a player out, as they are not in financial trouble, but that doesn't mean the player won't be sold, it just means that Celtic can wait till their valuation has been reached, and then sell him.
Let me ask you a question. Do you think it's right that Lawwell should get a bonus, when he has presided over us failing to reach the Champions league for the last 2 years, our crowds have dropped, and he's been responsible for bringing such illustrious players to the club as, Boeriggter, Pukki, Balde, Bangara, Scepovic, Tonev, Miku, to name but a few? . In a lot of other businesses he'd be sacked for less.

04 Nov 2015 00:57:49
You cannot deny my point that over the last five years Celtic have only sold their top players who had constantly demanded a move .
You don't answer my questions but you expect me to answer questions re Mr Lawwell's bonuses of which the ordinary fan has no knowledge of the criteria used to determine his bonus .
I would sincerely hope it is not based on football results alone, as I would prefer our CEO to concentrate on none football issues of the club and work with the football people within the management.

04 Nov 2015 01:06:07
Norwegianred I appreciate you posting again on our forum after a bit of a break . I agree with your comments and hope u continue to post more often as before . I appreciate your neutral posts, not going over the top in any direction . It's a pity that some feel Deila will soon have to leave us, over European results but the vast majority of Celtic fans haven't used those standards before and our taking their lead from the Scottish media who are biased against Celtic . Mr W Smith had a very unsuccessful run in Europe yr after yr and was never in danger of losing his job.

04 Nov 2015 11:54:40
I honestly belive assuming we beat molde and ajax which isn't imposibe celtic should make some kind of bid for Steven Gerrad
whereby strenhening our midfield and therefor we might gt somewhere in the Europa league after the new year. Any suggestions?

{Ed001's Note - he couldn't handle the pace in the MLS, how would he strengthen your midfield? That's even if you forget his ridiculous wages and assume you could afford to get him in, maybe on a player coach deal, as he is looking to get his badges.}

04 nov 2015 12:26:26
old bhoy, what part of answering your questions do you not understand?, i have been very clear in answering your questions, perhaps you should try and read my replies.
i will spell it out for you one last time, i will write it in capitals so you might be able to understand it a bit easier.
celtic are a selling club, they admit it themselves. i don't have a problem with that, as most clubs are in the same boat. my criticism of the club is that the money they receive from player sales does not go back into strengthening the team, as a result of this we no longer qualify for the champions league so the club have to use the money from player sales to balance the books.
if you had read my earlier reply, i said that celtic are not in financial trouble, so don't have to force players out, and, i never said they did force anybody out, so what is the point of your question? they still need to sell players though to balance the books.
as regards lawwell, he is paid by celtic to balance the books, he gets a bonus for doing so, i think you are totally wrong, in that i think his bonus should depend on results, we would probably be in the champions league if they were.
i don't see that i can say any more to answer your questions, you are perfectly free to disagree with me or ignore me altogether, but don't keep saying i don't answer you.

02 Nov 2015 16:38:37
Just for a bit of fun as I doubt very much it will happen although it would be hilarious. With Henderson already being loaned out to Hibs we would only be able to loan out another 4 players to them from us in January for the rest of the season. Although just seen their squad and noticed that they've got Henderson, Feruz and Anier all in on loan for the season. The maximum is 5 loans your allowed per club isn't it?

Anyway, let's just say that we were going to loan them another 4 fringe players from our squad to help them in their title quest, it's seems the appropriate thing to do after all h. elping the Green and White of Edinburgh try and get automatically promoted. Common courtesy you could say.

So with that being said, who would you loan out to them? Looking at our squad I'd give them.

Stokes
McGregor
Nesbitt
Boeriggter

Think that would give them a boost.

02 Nov 2015 17:28:49
I would loan them S Allen and Stokes.
And just to even things up Sevco can have Mulgrew and Ambrose!

02 Nov 2015 17:40:42
Do you actually think lending them Boeriggter would give them a boost?

02 Nov 2015 18:27:24
Kidding aside - we need to offload Mulgrew, Stokes and Boerigter to anyone who would take them as they do not seem to be in the managers plans and are costing the club cash that could be used to attract better players.

02 Nov 2015 18:33:23
Yes I do Old Bhoy, he's fully fit and ready to play but Lawwell has banished him to the development squad because he wouldn't accept a pay off to leave the club and instead wants to rinse the club of all his wages left on his contract. There's absolutely no doubt he would tear that division apart and Sevco and at least he'd be doing something for his money.

02 Nov 2015 19:13:37
Benny good idea but sadly I don't even think servco would be that thick to have them both.

02 Nov 2015 21:15:07
I don't share your opinion of Boeriggter tearing up any division . He seemed to not be able to find the door to the training pitches and has instead found the door to the treatment room almost every day since he has joined Celtic . If he has been banished to the development squad, it's surprising he hasn't made much of an impression with them either .

02 Nov 2015 22:53:59
He doesn't get games with the development squad just trains with them.

04 Nov 2015 01:08:37
It was a very good decision whoever took it to banish Boerrigter to training with the development squad . We don't need him amongst our first team players.

04 Nov 2015 01:53:31
Boerrigter will tear a hamstring quicker than any division.

02 Nov 2015 08:47:23
Been watching Griffiths first goal over and over, What a fantastic cross from Tierney. Magnificent header also. Tierney has done enough in this short time to merit the left back position, surely has to start on Thursday v Molde.

02 Nov 2015 10:30:52
I'd start him but I reckon Izzy will be back in the team. I think we could do worse than play them both with izzy further up.

02 Nov 2015 11:06:32
I'd certainly start tierney over izzy as he has brought a freshness to the squad and it's good to get a youth player coming through. My only concern is that he needs to get physically stronger as he looks small and light weight which could be exploited by better teams, he may also suffer if he is expected to be as far forward as he has been lately as like izzy There is a lot of space left in behind him which better teams will target.

02 Nov 2015 15:06:51
got to disagree with you on some points Jim, probably one of the best defenders I've seen in my time would be Franco Baresi, built like gable end of a pound note, roughly 5.8 ft tall but hard as nails and no nonsense defender, not saying the wee guys in this kind of company lol, but play the boy give him all the experience he needs, doesn't matter calibre of team in Europe we play, it's got to help him long term.

02 Nov 2015 16:26:05
I'm actually pretty certain Tierney will start on Thursday, think Ronny now prefers him and trusts him more than Izzy. Izzy will still get games domestically in spells against your Ross Countys, Dundees etc. But overall I think Tierney as long as he keeps these performances up is starting to slowly but surely take over the LB position. Izzy will still be a handful back up and will still get games but whether or not he'll settle for that after being first choice for so many years remains to be seen.

I think it will be the exact same team that played Aberdeen at the weekend. Boyata will need to sort himself out though, positionally he still seems to be all over the place at the back and I don't trust him one bit in defence. Too error prone.

02 Nov 2015 17:45:51
I am happy with either starting . I think very highly of Tierney but we don't want to over play him . I expect him to play either on Thursday or Sunday . I like the way both he and Izzy are happy to attack high up the field, and both are very capable of neutralising opposition by defending and attacking high up the field .

02 Nov 2015 17:49:53
Totally stupid comparison using baresi falkirkbhoy. As I said I'm glad he's getting game time but in the modern game I still think he will need to fill out physically to make it long term and he will probably be rotated with izzy this season till he can command the position comfortably or until we sign someone else. Not sure what else you disagree with but IMO any left back who is regularly ahead of the left sided winger will be targeted as a weakness by the opposition for a counter attack as we've all seen happen to izzy many many many times.

02 Nov 2015 21:07:03
sorry Jim you took that the wrong way wasn't having a dig mate, I mearly meant it doesn't matter his about his size, all this play him to much you'll burn him out kind of stuff, is a load of pish, what about the boy Ronnie had in Norway who went to Real Madrid, full international with Norway, I'm no going to risk getting an ear bashing by stating the obvious player s ( messi, Neymar, etc etc ) all young guys tip of ther games, but they all gave something in common they were trusted to play every week any gained experience by playing football against more experienced players, so why not stick with young tierney, you go on about izzy being targeted by other teams, your absolutely correct but it's because he's rotten mate can't defend can't cross a ball need I go on, leave the young boy in the side.

02 Nov 2015 21:17:15
We have conceded more goals ( especially important goals ) from down the right hand side this season .

02 Nov 2015 22:28:11
I agree with playing Tierney, always thought Izzy might be better suited to an attacking midfield role, also think if Boyata keeps making errors it might be worthwile giving Mulgrew a chance beside Simonivic, to see if they could develop a partnership.

03 Nov 2015 02:32:18
aindoh you must be jesting Mulgrew is the worst of the lot lol.

Simunovic, Boyata, Ambrose and Blackett are all better than Mulgrew in the CB role and don't give me his POTY nonsense he won it that year for his goal-scoring from defence not his ability as a defender. Mulgrew ain't getting a new contract and will be offski come end of the season hopefully in January. He's an absolute carthorse.

03 Nov 2015 23:31:32
celticforever, i was thinking about Mulgrews performances at centre back for Scotland, life is all about relationships in all kinds of walks of life, some footballers play better together with different partners than others, i was just saying, maybe Mulgrew and Simonivic (spelling) might gel together better than Boyata and Simonivic.