Celtic Banter Archive November 02 2014

02 Nov 2014 17:57:59
ED007 and Green Jhedi reading your posts below about our game against the new club, it could be newer than we all think as the "great minds" on a certain radio station based near Clydebank think Mr Ashley will loan his even newer acquisition 11 players come January to compete lol

There seems to be an assumption among the undead that it's a certainty Tim. For me ashley is keeping the lights on and acquiring interest galore to protect his merchandising income stream. he also owns god knows what else, well him and Charles of Normandy, so the dissenters better be wary of ticking him off.sevco mean nothing to him, profit does.

Ar these so called football fans serious. Sure y doesn't fat sally just come down to Newcastle and take what he wants, next they will be looking for a lend of some sports gear from sports direct. Deluded deluded deluded.

I don't think Asley will want to weaken his Newcastle United team by transferring any players that may be of any use to N. U. during the last five months of the season. He will take into account injuries, suspensions and loss of form . Those left, if any, would not be of a standard to frighten Celtic or even most of the Scottish Championship sides, especially under the ill- equipped Sally .

02 Nov 2014 14:50:46
I can honestly say that if big VVD is to go I would not miss him. He is seriously over
Rated. Give me big Paul Elliot any day!

Not sure replacing him with a retired 50 year old is best option lol

Harsh but I get your meaning. I don't think he is ready for some of the forwards he will face in the EPL, seems to have a problem with clever movement from forwards.

02 Nov 2014 18:08:07
I think he has gone backwards from last season. Not sure he is 100% happy.

02 Nov 2014 20:47:55
Big VVD has been unhappy since he arrived
At Celtic. For 90 %of all players that arrive we
are no more than a pit stop all the way.

03 Nov 2014 09:53:21
@sacktheboard you may be correct in saying we are only a stop gap isn't team a stop gap for any player? Let's say A player from Getmany gets a transfer to Spurs. He is looking to move onto Chelsea, Man U, Barcelona or whomever he considers to be a more prestigious club or maybe will simply pay more money. It's the same for every club. Look at Southampton in the summer, they sold their 6 if their best players. Why should we be any different?

03 Nov 2014 16:54:43
Point noted johnny, however in big VVD case He has more or less been looking for a move Since he joined!

The thing is that if Virgl does sign for a decent Epl team he will have decent defenders on each side of him and decent midfield players helping him as well. They will all work together and Virgil will not be exploited or targeted by any team . After-all Rio Ferdinant played successfully for years for England and Manchester United and most people didn't notice just how poor a defender he was.

Chris02 Liverpool are my English team but to say Rio Ferdinand was a poor player is just pure twaddle. Ferdinand in his prime was one of the best defenders in the PL year in and year out. him and Vidic were a great partnership

03 Nov 2014 22:12:24
@sacktheboard understand that point about VVD but it seems to me that we are recruiting players and telling them that by joining Celtic they get European football which puts them in the shop window so we are telling them to use Celtic as a stepping stone into the EPL.

Well if you can be a top defender with little ability in the air, then you can maybe rate Rio, but I think you are making my argument for me .
Good defenders don't become very bad overnight . It's obviously that Harry R. doesn't rate him, although he signed him for his performances at United he soon found out just how much Rio depended on his United colleagues . Celtic also showed his weaknesses when we met them in the Champions League .
I am a Celtic supporter and only a Celtic supporter, so I have no bias or no favourites in the money destroyed Epl .

{Ed007's Note - Harry Redknapp signed Ferdinand at West Ham as a 45 y.o. boy and gave him his professional debut. He signed a 35 y.o. who only managed 20 games all last season, Redknapp didn't sign Ferdinand as a first team player. Go back and read what Redknapp has said about Ferdinand over the last 20 years if you want to know what he thinks of him as a player and as a man. That's two absolute belters in one thread, that's good going even by your standards. Here's what Redknapp said in the summer:

'Rio is a top-class guy – anyone who has watched the TV over the World Cup would see what a world-class act he is, on and off the field. He’s a great role model. I signed him as 14-year-old, so I know him as well as anyone and I'm just so pleased to have him at the club.
He came and played in our youth team and from Day One I knew,' said the QPR boss. When he was 16, I said he would be the best defender in Europe one day and he was. I wasn't a bad judge really. I said he would be the best defender in Europe because he was on another level. I just knew he was going to be a big player.
I spoke to Ryan Giggs to ask how much training he was doing and how fit he was and Ryan told me that, if he’d been manager at Old Trafford this season, he would've still been his No.1 centre-half. Rio was fit all last season, David Moyes changed the team around and didn't pick him. We got his records from Man United and he was the fourth or fifth highest player, in terms of being available for training and playing.
Redknapp also wanted Ferdinand’s presence at Loftus Road to help persuade Steven Caulker to join QPR, which it did.
'Rio has been the key. He would like to play with Rio and feels it’ll help him get back into the England team.

Go back years, there's plenty more and it's not just Redknapp, read Alex Ferguson talking about him, anyone who knows anything about football knows Ferdinand was a class act on the pitch.}

Ok editor again you are right I know nothing about anything . I support Celtic, you support other teams . The point I made about Ferdinand stands up because even the amateur Hortaculturist said that Rio with Vidic he was immense .
If you are reduced to using pieces written by his past manager, his current manager and long time team - mate that's find . I would rather post my own opinion .
Oh my God, you will not print any of my posts for at least a week, after I post anything disrespectful about a United player on a Celtic page . I am sorry I can only post what I think.

{Ed007's Note - You're not entitled to your opinion, you're are entitled to an informed opinion, no one is entitled to be ignorant.}

Ferdinand was quality whoever he played with. Are you saying Johhny Evans carried Ferdinand when Vidic was in and out with injury for about two year, Chris? I said Ferdinand and Vidic were a great partnership and their styles complimented each other. I'm with ed here, I've never heard anyone say Ferdinand wasn't a good player and you just made that up about harry redknapp. You've tried to twist what I said to suit you, you missed out the bit where I said he was one of the best defenders year on every year in the PL. He's up there with Jamie Carragher Sami Hypia Gary Nevile who I hate the sight of, John Terry Ashley Cole and Vidic as some of the best defenders in England over the last 20 yers. Why you giving the ed grief, you said something about Harry Redknapp and ed corrected you, what's up with that? I was first to disagree with you so why not hassle me and then you twisted my words to suit yourself. you've not even said anything to back up what you said and it looks like you just brought up ferdinand to try and start an arguement with the ed

{Ed007's Note - It doesn't bother me, Chris is already on his second account and had numerous bans for trolling. I think he has a secret man-crush on me and likes to come on here for some education. He can't have been watching football that long, so I'm happy to help out, it's like a Community Payback Order for me. If he's abusing me on here he's leaving himself alone, if you know what I mean (muscle)

I think the problem with VVD + Denayer is that they're too similar to one another. Both are young, confident, strong, comfortable with the ball at feet, etc. They can't learn much off one another. Put one of them in there at CB with an experienced head and you'll see them come on leaps and bounds!

{Ed007's Note - VVD and Denayer are both ball-playing CBs (like the old liberos or sweepers), they're comfortable on the ball and as well as marking and tackling the ball-playing CBs should be able to read the game very well and can intercept and play the ball out of defence either by making incisive forward passes or even making forward runs when in possession.
If you have a ball-playing CB you need a 'stopper' beside them, their role is all about winning the ball, marking and tackling their opponents and being dominant in the air. The big 'stopper' style players are the hard men of the team with a 'thou shall not pass' attitude, their physical presence should instil a sense of fear and intimidation into opponents and a sense of belief and security to their team-mates.
Most successful CB partnerships consist of a 'stopper' and a ball-playing defender - the stopper winning possession with his physical approach and his partner tidying up and playing the ball out of defence, just like the Ferdinand/Vidic partnership, Laurent Blanc/Desailly for France or Hummels/Subotic partnership at Dortmund, we need a big physical 'stopper' to play alongside either VVD or Denayer, someone who will do the dirty work to allow them to get on the ball and open up the game from the back.}

Aye, this is exactly whit I wis trying to get across Ed. You've always got your way wi words but, unlike some of us lol. If we were able to get an older head like Joseph Yobo or Diego Lugano in on a Free Transfer to play alongside either VVD or Denayer, it'd benefit them in the long run!

{Ed007's Note - It's the same as playing Sutton/Hartrson and Larsson up front, or having NL as an enforcer in the midfield with players like Lubo around him to collect the ball and start attacks.}

I agree that it often looks as our two central defenders are too similar ball playing centre halves . That's very true, however I think Deila wants that as he wants us to keep procession when we get it and doesn't want the ball banged up the field for the sake of it . Jim McGuinness would be of the same mind . The foot through the ball at times of danger was always part of the game in these islands but maybe Deila will always want to reduce its use to the limit .

Aye, and how many times Ambrose, Virgil, Denayer or Izzy tried to play their way out of danger and just give it away again? Route one. If in doubt, get it out!

Sorry Ed, I really had no intention of giving you grief by trying to explain my belief that a good defender depends on good defenders and midfield players around him . I didn't realize using Rio would annoy you, and that is the God's honest truth . Please except my apology .

{Ed007's Note - There's no apology needed, don't be silly. I'm not disputing that, Chris, it's the same with any player but I would say Ferdinand falls into the category of a quality player you can rely on to play at a consistently high standard, he's one of the players you would build a defence around. He's proven it over they years playing with different defensive partners for club and country. There weren't many teams in Europe that Ferdinand wouldn't have improved. Without Ferdinand (or Vidic) playing Man Utd were a poorer quality team, they were both as important as each other to the team, I really don't know how you can say he was a poor player.}

02 Nov 2014 13:45:53
Were you happy with the performance against Caley?

I could see definite improvements and Celtic deserved their win. ICT were stubborn and defended really deep, not the best to watch and frustrating but its allowed.

Still a bit concerned about our defence though and I know its a bug-bear of mine. Still think VVD and Denayer are too casual and wasn't surprised to see ICT had 10 shots on goal, 4 on target. I'll be happy to see this tightened up

My only complaint
:)

I think it was more the fact that Yogi played his hand exceptionally well. They sat in obviously looking to break and with the score tight he threw on his main attacking threat to go all out.Clever tactics by the big man I thought keeping his goal threat on the bench, ballsy move as well.

I was saying similar to a pal yesterday, Celtic didn't play badly it was more credit to ICT's tactics.

Still wary of Denayer and VVD being tested though.

Happy with the performance need to be burying these teams who sit too deep as everyone's doing it because we struggled to break them down at the start of the season, If everyone's leaving with defeat it might make teams come with a different game plan