Celtic Banter Archive January 29 2015

29 Jan 2015 20:56:30
Ed, following on from a previous thread about wages & the top 5 earners @ the club don't know if you know? or what anyone else thinks but having a guess a would say

Brown top earner @ circa 25k a week

Then possibly Wakaso, Guidetti, Scepovic & Boerrigter all ranging from 20k sliding down to about 15k, a might be a million miles out but with this you start to think what you cab attract in IMO just curious? ATVB

I don't have a clue about players wages at the club apart from probably Scott Brown must be a top earner?
However; if guys like Wakaso, Scepovic and Boerigter are up there, there's something not right about that - when they can't get in the team.
Players like Izzy, Forrest, Mathews and Mulgrew seem to have been there for years and must be on improved deals?

Thanks JJ, just curious mate a would still think Wakaso & Guidetti would be up there and also think they are probably on more and subsidised via there parent clubs

A heard somewhere Guidetti was on 22k a week @ Man City but no idea if that is the case, atvb

{Ed007's Note - Guidetti's on circa £10 - 12k a week at City, remember it was 3 years ago when he was 19 when he signed his current deal and he was just starting to recover from his illness. The average PL wage in 2012 when Guidetti signed his current deal was £31,000 p.w.
That's no indication of the wages he's asking for now though.}

That makes sense Ed, Just curious mate you hear figures like Steven Fletcher on 37k a week @ Sunderland, even some they English Championship banded about the same kind of money

Let's us get a better idea of potential incomings if our "ceiling" is 25k & a say if because I have no real idea mate

Would have thought Wakaso would have been well paid in Russia you would need to be to play there in minus plenty degrees lol

{Ed007's Note - Fletcher is getting £1.5 million p.a. from Sunderland (£30k p.w.) but he has played a lot more football than Guidetti and cost Sunderland £14 million, wages need to reflect that, a player you pay that kind of money for isn't going to accept £10/15k a week.
Wakaso had a bit of a run in with Espanyol over his wages, he was on 5000 Euros a month and they offered to double that which Wakaso said was unacceptable as it still made him one of the poorest paid player in La Liga. It all got a bit messy with Espanyol blocking his initial move to Rubin Kazan who were willing to pay him 30,000 Euros per week. I'd say that's roughly where it was at when he eventually signed which works out about £22,500 p.w.
I think it would need to be someone exceptional for Pedro to sanction anything over £20k a week just now unless there's been a change in policy regarding wages.}

That is all good info Ed, when you "stack that up" chances of getting anyone in from England as slim mate

Had no idea Wakaso had they probs in Spain at all! just heard that he had some of racism probs in Russia

@ 20k a week we should be looking @ Holland & Belguim IMO few years ago a thought we might have had a chance with Christian Eriksen @ Spurs cannot believe that he is single handed almost propping Spurs up could do with a break away from finding these "rough diamonds" IMO give us a few 28/29 year olds already internationals

wee change in policy is needed IMO

atvb

{Ed007's Note - I'd rather see that wages we pay increased than spending millions on transfer fees, what kind of quality could we buy if the club was paying, say, £30k a week to a some players who came in on Bosman's. You're shopping in an entirely different market with that being your top wage for a select few players in the team.}

Follow that too Ed IMO Mosiander @ Ajax, Captain of Iceland is a stand out, a think Jim Tim?was talkin up a swede called Elm? & a striker playing in Russia that has a bit of the Jan Kohler's size about him

Another Joe Ledley would be magic if poss

Push the boat our for the Bosman's IMO we could do with a wee bit of "steel or grit" in the team the now more than ever you could go through that site and make a good case for at least a dozen or so

Never have I agreed mofe Ed than upping the wage bracket for bosmans. The overall 'deal' may work out about the same as paying for somebody and as you say you're getting a different league of player. Reckon it'll happen?

{Ed007's Note - Sadly not.}

29 Jan 2015 16:07:29
Bid just put in for armstrong! Us and burnley! 1.5 mill we've offered! We know what price they want for the boy! Why the messing about as usual! Pay the 2.5 and get him in!

£2.8m to secure Armstrong I believe. Dundee United have every right to demand that kind of fee he is worth every penny. As I said yesterday morning I'm now expecting 2 deals to go through well before the deadline and I hope it's Armstrong & GMS in now.

Dangy1888 I don't think club has any intention signing him. They think we are naive and will be happy if club looks though its making efforts to sign players and accept "bid rejected" card

29 Jan 2015 16:56:40
Dn30 your rite mate! The same old rubbish isn't it! We've had 4 weeks now to bid for this guy! Now to look like they'r tryin they bid sumthin they know will be turned down! Now we're competing against premiership teams! Makes ma blood boil honestly! 😡

If we wanted the player badly enough we should have made a 'proper' bid, as we spent very little in the summer, but then again we all know how Celtic conduct transfer bids.
If Lawell would think about the support for a change he would realise how much of a lift this would give us and the team before Sundays game - not to mention tie up Scotland's brightest prospect and add another young Scot to the team.

Dangy its a similar situation to last january, when club supposedly bid £6m for a conviently unnamed striker in turkish league. Absolutely no respect for the support

What a bit of business had Dundee United accepted this mornings opening bid.

DN30 there's still 3 days to go, we could easily sign him before the end of the window. Don't get me wrong, we may hum and haw over a small amount which isn't unlikely, but at least wait until we know for sure before you accuse people.

Kevbhoy I've got good basis to accuse, as i'm sure you are aware this is not the first time we have been in this position. Its becoming an all too familar scenario and I have no doubt in my mind armstrong will be signed by burnley this weekend. Hope i'm wrong but can't see it

If they wanted to get this deal done there always a "bit of a poker hand" done IMO offer the 2.5 mill asked for with GMS a part of it, give them Rogic (if fit or nearing it) to subsidise there loss on loan to the end of the season

Doesn't have to be Rogic although would make sense

Just don't tell us or leave it "miles apart" at least get close ffs! Armstrong is out of contract summer 2016 so IMO his optimum value is now Utd chairman is nor daft but he is not stupid either folks

Only concern is Armstrong seems to prefer a switch to England!

{Ed007's Note - Armstrong's optimum value will be in the summer, Dundee Utd are still in both cups and chasing a European spot. The difference between 2nd place and 4th is circa £440,000, if they can get past Aberdeen into the LC final and if they beat Stranraer in the SC they're in the QFs of that. Add up the income from all that plus the fact they aren't desperate for money and you can see why Utd want to hold onto their better players until the summer.
In saying that, I hope RD and Pedro are going down your route of thinking, Boerrigter, James Forrest and Mulgrew's 'optimum value' will be in this window but so is Adam Matthews. Mulgrew and especially Forrest bring nothing to the table, surely Forrest must be worth £500k to some English League One side and the less said about Boerrigter the better.}

Hi Ed, When you "tott" it up like that it makes sense for Utd to play hardball suppose a was looking at via Celtic's angle

Matthews, Mulgrew & Forrest at least never cost us anything but agreed Forrest for still a relative young lad "cannot play two games in a week / 10 days " ffs please spare me! Mulgrew a cannot see where he fits back in even when fit biggest thing he has going for him is his versatility at best he will be a "squad" player give me Lustig over Matthews any day and if Mulgrew is off there our vice captain (lustig) IMO

As for Boerrigter a honestly cringe at that 1 a mean we laughed @ Berget for not having any playing time, but we PAID for a guy tagged "sicknote" or whatever and got injured something like 15 mins into his FRST game and never recovered! a would think he must be one of the top 5 earners now Kayal is away?

how much time has he spent on the pitch ffs!

{Ed007's Note - I actually wouldn't mind keeping Mulgrew as cover but that's all, he can't go back to be a first choice. As you've mentioned he is versatile and his wages aren't that high.}

The sensible and correct way to sign a player is to register an interest, and put in an opening bid . This sets the ball rolling and from the response from the player's club, the buying club will get a good idea if a deal can be done . It will be no surprise if Dundee Utd sell Armstrong to an EPL club as, traditionally SPL clubs prefer to sell their players outside the SPL if they can

I don't think Dundee United will have any say in where Armstrong goes. If they decide to sell, the player will decide who he wants to play for.
He may well end up in the EPL due to the money on offer, but it won't be Dundee United who decide.

Gerryc your right regards where armstrong final destination will be. I just think burnley will be only team who will submit the only accepted bid.

DN30, I can't disagree with you because we've been in this position before but let's keep the faith until Feb 1st.

If Dundee Utd don't accept the final bid from a SPL team, he won't be sold to the SPL team .
I am old enough to remember Kevin (?) Gallagher who was the top player at Dundee Utd . Gallagher was a nephew or great nephew of the Celtic Legend Patsy Gallagher . The rumour was that the young Gallagher was a target of Celtic . McLean who was chairman of D U, said on radio that he would guarantee K Gallagher would never play
for Celtic . He never did play for Celtic

Kevbhoy I will. Just sick of us being led up garden path

Burnley seemed to have been priced out of the Armstrong deal, as their manager said tonight he wouldn't be continuing his interest . Maybe Lawwell has bid enough to frighten off the opposition and it's now between Celtic and Dundee UTD

Chris back in the days of Kevin Gallagher, the clubs were in control of players, they could sell them to whoever they liked.
These days the players decide who they will sign for. If Armstrong wants to play for Celtic ahead of Burnley you can bet your bottom dollar he'll come here providing Celtic bid for him.
If Dundee United don't sell him, then they will be left with an unhappy player whose form would probably slump, and his value would drop.
That's how football works now, the players hold all the aces.