Celtic Banter Archive September 28 2014

28 Sep 2014 20:40:11
No worries Johnny. More than happy to end a disagreement on a happy note.

28 Sep 2014 15:01:56
Christ - we win and the manager gets slated, we lose and the manager gets slated, we draw and the manager gets slated.

And its said people don't have an agenda against RD? Yeah right.

Major changes to a club won't come overnight, yes the football at present is not great, at times its dire but in order to get an end result surely we have to realise there will be a tough, transitional period. At the end of the year then we can decide, not in September.

We had two shots on target against St Mirren, who cares because they both ended with goals. Better that than 100 shots on target with 1 goal.

Since Strachan left, the football has been really poor, could even say it was not that great when he was there, matter of fact when was the last time Celtic played fantastic football, Tommy Burns when we won 1 cup and were second best to Rangers?

Dundee Utd are top of the league and Hamilton closely behind, neither of these teams will ever have the consistency required to make a challenge so whilst its close now, It won't be come the end of the year.

{Ed007's Note - Perhaps RD should learn from his predecessor and just start blaming any poor performances or defeats on the referees.}

28 Sep 2014 16:11:40
KevT and your point is? You have told the forum you don't go to the matches any more because you don't want to waste your money. Maybe if you actually did bother to invest you might have a different view of how bad things are. You as a fair weather supporter have no idea how poor this team is playing. RD talks about dominating top teams in Europe, we can't even dominate teams in the SPL so please save me the RD needs time lecture. He will never make it.

28 Sep 2014 16:19:19
Johnny how can he no see what the team is like from the tv instead of the stadium? once again any fan who doesn't go to games gets slated

Gunnie I think jonnys point isn't about not going to games but you are more critical if you bother to pay for a season ticket rather than listening to radio for Motherwell game etc or pay £25 to watch us struggle against relegation candidates.

28 Sep 2014 17:10:03
Jim but calling him a fair weather supporter is harsh. My dad doesn't go to games now cause he's constant nighshift and can't afford it but he's still as much of a die hard as he always was and just annoys me when people get slated for not paying the money going to games it doesn't mean people can't have an opinion or make criticism

Without knowing everyone's situation I would agree if you don't go to many games you are fair weather to some degree as opposed to someone who goes to most games but it doesn't mean you don't care less.

My point is Johnnysac if you actually read the post, its that the manager gets slated no matter what happens.

I paid £550 for my season book for god knows how long, through many good times watching class players to the really bad times watching the really poor players. I finally had enough after Lennon's first full season as the football had simply got unbearable to watch.

Now I save myself the season book money, the travelling expenses, the booze consumption, the strip purchases and many more things.

Its cool Gunniebhoy cause Johnny must be one of the rare True Supporters that goes to everygame ( will you be going to all the away games in Europe Johnny, if not then guess what, your a fair weather supporter, cause as you say True supporters go to all the games )

28 Sep 2014 18:02:35
Gunnie you are missing the point. KevT stated he won't go to the games because he does not want to waste any more money watching Celtic. That is completely different from someone who can't get to the games or can't afford to hi. This guy is making a choice and won't go because we are playing crao. So I don't want to be told by KevT that he won't go because if our standard if play then be told to back off and give RD time? He can't have it every way. I pay my season ticket.

28 Sep 2014 18:34:32
KevT where have I ever said all true supporters go to every game. Don't make things up to suit your argument. Maybe you can't read so ask your mum to read out my posts to you. You say you stopped going to games because of Lennon. Has no one told you he left in May? Don't keep giving it the Lennon pitch, you are very clear in what you said, you don't go to games because you don't want to waste money. So when do you go back, when Ronnie starts playing great football then stop again if it's not to your likening? Fair weather KevT so don't start telling me about giving RD time when you are sitting at home.

Johhny - am not telling anyone to give RD time, all I am saying is that to be a success people need time to implement there idea's.

Am I happy with the football on offer at the moment, No. Am I happy with the players in the Celtic team at the moment, No. Given that 10 years ago we had a fantastic squad of players ( apart from GK ) where I was spending my money on Celtic like there was no tomorrow, regardless of whether we won, lost or drew there was a clear investment in the team year on year. Nowadays, its not happening.

Many managers in the world of football have been given time and when given time, results tend to follow.

Alex Ferguson the perfect example. Klopp at Dortmund was given at least 2 years to implement is idea's before winning the league.

Out of curiosity, who comes in to manage Celtic if RD gets the boot? Would love to hear your thoughts on that, especially bearing in mind the lack of investment in our playing squad? Also, can you tell me, would you be happy with fantastic football and not getting results?

You can call me what you want, but at the end of the day, when I am spending my money I expect to be entertained or at the very least expect the club to at least attempt to match the ambitions of fans and bring in at least 1 quality player. The club has decided against brining in real quality, so I have decided against giving them my hard earned cash.

For the record, I pay money for ssn & BT Sports, who in turn pay money to Celtic for the live games on TV so in a way, I am still contributing. :-)

Johnny, ask your mum to read for you. I stopped going after Lennons first full season.

When Celtic start buying players that are quality, then I will take up my season book again.

28 Sep 2014 19:34:37
KevT let's put an end to this. You don't go anymore because we are poor. In your opinion we are not worth the money. Understand that but if we all took your stance Celtic would go bust just like Rangers. So there are 40,000 season ticket holders. I believe 30,000 are saying he should go. Why? Well as we pay our hard earned to turn up, invest about 8 hrs on a Saturday getting there ( and a few beers as well lol) and getting home we will turn up whether it's Lennon RD or someone else. So it's easy to say give RD time when you don't invest the money time or energy to turn up and you make it clear you have no intention of turning up till the product is better. Understand that. However speaking for those of us who do turn up, the standard of play is dire and it's worse than under Lennon. So let's just put this to bed. When we start playing great football, whenever that may be, we will welcome you back to Celtic Park but you may be a long time gone!

{Ed007's Note - There is nowhere near 30,000 fans want rid of RD and to say someone who doesn't go to games, for whatever reason, shouldn't have an opinion is outrageous and small minded, it's our worldwide support that define us as a big club. Cut out the beer and it won't cost as much plus you'll follow the game better, beer does dull your senses afterall, plus you'll feel a lot healthier for it.}

Some would argue the beer has been better than the product recently ;-)

{Ed007's Note - At least you are all allowed to drown your sorrows, I need to listen to you all sober!}

Surely anyone can support a team when it is spending millions of pounds on players. I think if you love your team, you should support it through the lean times as well as the successful times.
I am not sure about this manager, I have my doubts about him based on what I have seen so far this season, but I travel a 600 mile round trip for every home match, so I don't feel too bad about having an opinion on things
I think when you compare managers you can only judge them on what the team was like at the start of their time in charge, to what they were like when they left. I don think many people would argue that Lennon left Celtic in a better state than what he took over.
Ronny on the other hand seems to be making things worse, with pretty much the same players.

I really cannot believe what I am reading here! people talking about him getting 2 or 3 seasons to get it right are laffing based on CURRENT performances!

I don't CARE who you preferred as a manager WGS MON take your pick NONE of them can affect the PRESENT

But what we are enduring circa 15 games is something that I / ME! have never EVER witnessed as a CELTIC FAN!

We are averaging less than 5 shots on target over the league games and it is DIRE! we are winning via deflected goals / soft pens etc and do not look a TEAM

A couldn't care less if Worzel Gummidge was in charge as long as we were winning and winning convincingly well domestically where most games are over at HT as a contest, where we Bully / Bulldoze the opposition!

Don't dare tag me as wanting someone to get the sack! I have NEVER said this, but it is DIRE, it is DESPERATE and we don't look a TEAM FFS! there is no fluency mark my words we have had more than the "rub of the green" in games but watch what happens if the status quo remains watch us NOT get the decisions! as the powers at be try and keep it tight!

Our league is won before we get to the split! as a said standards have been set! A 4 month (near) unbeaten run, 13 games without conceding A GOAL! it is for the "new establishment" to BEAT these standards and at present we are a COUNTRY mile from it

ATVB

I think apart from the football been dire Deila has turned off many fans because he spoke so much early on about winning by playing wonderful attacking football. He seemed to talk down at us and now many don't want to give him the time he needs .

28 Sep 2014 11:19:57
We play Accies at home on Sunday, after a UEL game on Thursday. Last time they drew wi or beat us at home was 1938-39. We have an 87% win ratio (P46 W40 D3 L3 F132 A37) against them in almost 50 games at Celtic Park. If we have the same European hangover as we did against Motherwell, then I can see Accies beating us. They have the momentum n playing the attractive, fast flowing, attacking 4-5-1/4-3-3 style. We're playing the ropey, unattractive, panic stations style. Only positives I can take from the Celtic scene right now is the return of the GB n super Guidetti!

The result against Well for them was a big surprise (cost me 9 funkin grand!). To be fair, if I were boss, I'd be rotating the squad after Euro ties anyway, to some extent. Guidetti will be ready for domestic action, we've got plenty numbers in midfield. The concern is in defence.

Being from Hamilton I've been keeping an eye on both Accies n Motherwell's scores, could see the doing coming a mile away. Alex Neil rested 7 of his starting XI on Wednesday n finished ET wi 3x 18 year olds on the pitch, yet still made it past the poorest Motherwell side in 5-10 yrs!

{Ed007's Note - I've been down watching Accies a few times this year HB and have been really impressed with the way the team has progressed since last season.}

Aye Ed, they've improved a few areas of the pitch from last year that's made a real difference.

Replacing a decent attacking player like James Keatings with a more accomplished player who knows the club + top flight better like Dougie Imrie; as well as replacing a pretty poor GK in Kevin Cuthbert with someone I think was unlucky not to get game time while at Celtic, Michael McGovern.

Few small tweaks have took them from decent Championship team to good Premiership team.

Alex Neil (or Sir Alex as he's known by the auld faithful) has definetely brought a spark to the club that Billy Reid couldn't, as well as being more positive in terms of opportunities for youngsters + attacking the opposition!

{Ed007's Note - They will be doing well to hold onto Neil next summer.}

28 Sep 2014 02:03:13
Im getting more and more frustrated with celtic fans on this site. there's so many that have it in for this guy because he ain't lennon.its pathetic, just because he isn't a decent ex midfielder who had two decent seasons in our midfield doesn't mean he can't do well for us.

Some fans are so deluded that they rate lennon as a success.well he took us backwards for two seasons in a row then left after flaunting himself disgracefully while still our boss.if that was a player we woulda been furious

Deila needs time and our support.yes he's made mistakes but no more than lennon.yes he tinkers but lennon was notorious for that.deila knows more bout football than lennon and 3 quarters of our fans ever will, n that's a fact!

@Hoopedlegend - my question last week was if you were unhappy with Lennon, what is it you think is better about Ronny?

If your happy with Ronny purely for the reason that he isn't Lennon, surely this is just as pathetic?

28 Sep 2014 11:53:25
I'm happier with ronny cause at least he is trying to make changes and isn't scared 2 drop players or sub them if they are out of form which we all know lennon never did he always stuck with his favourites even when they were playing rank rotten

28 Sep 2014 14:41:10
Sticking with the same players as u call it gunniebhoy meant consistency and was the reason for unbeaten run and clean sheets,not favouritism, unlike ronny he knew his first 11 and formation, ronny ain't got a clue,he talks a good game,that's it,maybe lawell should promote him to the PR department, time u and some other fans take of the green and white spectacles.

28 Sep 2014 16:27:00
DaBhoy I couldn't give 2 f***s about that unbeaten run tbh all it done was paper over the cracks of a piss poor team. We got put out the league cup at home to morton then the scottish cup at home to aberdeen and were woeful in the champions league and of course the whole season unbeaten crap came to nothing aswel so how is that anything to shout about? we were consistent cause he wouldn't drop mulgrew, stokes, forrest etc when they were playing crap for example the best football we played last season was hearts away and motherwell away and what did lennon do the next game? brought his trusted favourites back in and changed the team and shape and we were back to rubbish football again. And take off the green and white specs? hahaha all cause i'm for giving the manager more than a few months than the rest of you. Take off your lennon wig and mask and stop licking his arse he was a shi1te manager end of

28 Sep 2014 17:22:37
Gunniebhoy, 1- in any post's have I ever said lennon was a good manger.2-u made the point urself there was consistency in the team,3-the problems with the team/club were there prior to lennon coming in.4-right now ronny could only dream of an unbeaten room,which according to u is a load of pish, u serious??, I'll take my wig an mask an put them in cold storage till ronny gets told to do 1,which is very soon if lawell has any balls,Suppose your one of these deluded fans that think ronny was choose outa ten top candidates, Wise up

@Gunnie, soz mate I will take woeful in the CL over not bein in it.20m reasons to be cheerful.

29 Sep 2014 15:43:07
Ray i'm not saying I don't cl football lol i'm just saying we were woeful in it. Lennon the ast seasons took us backwards it's facts. How many of his players who have moved on or were loaned were criticised for their fitness so obviously something was wrong. At least ronny is trying to change all that and he can't do it in a few months he needs a couple of seasons at least he won the norwegian league granted a poor league but with an average team compared to the rest in that league so he obviously has something to give and i'm for sure willing to give him the time to do it rather than just complain when we win lose or draw

29 Sep 2014 17:24:32
Gunnie ,how many years did it take him to win the league but,heres a fair question? Ar u prepared to sacrafise cl Football for at least 2 seasons,while this mesiah works his miracles?i not trying to flippant.

{Ed007's Note - Turn it around, are you prepared to give RD a season to see what happens before writing off our chances of CL qualification for the next TWO years at least? Nobody's sacrificing anything and you are using a what if scenario and speculation as if it's a fact. Just like I can't guarantee CL qualification under RD, you can't guarantee we won't.
What if we win the treble this season and then qualify for the CL next year, will you take umbrage with RD's hair style or his appearance when he's in the technical area?}

29 Sep 2014 18:33:37
DaBhoy let's be honest we were a baw hair off going out last season against karagandy but manage to scrape through by the skin of our teeth so my question is if we hadn't got through would u have been shouting for lennons head the way people have shouted for RD's now? Were u shouting for lennon to be sacked after braga? utrecht? sion (before the reinstatement)? i'm making the point that lennon done nothing in management before he got the celtic job but was given time and backing from fans yet realistically he took us backwards the past 2 seasons then why isn't fans prepared to give ronny the same time even though he's basically tryin to fix every aspect of the club from youth to diet to fitness cause lennon certainly didn't do anything like that. that's all i'm trying to say why was lennon given time even though he got us pumped out qualifiers and played shit football but ronny isn't? i'm certainly not making him out to be a mesiah but at least he can see things need changed which lennon didn't. Look at van gaal at man u he is a world class manager but inherited an abysmal team but fans aren't shouting for him to be sacked after some of the results they've had this season. Different quality of league aye but the same concept in that he like ronny has came in and tried to rebuild a new team and regime same case as brendan rodgers at liverpool 2 years ago again was given time. Respect your opinion we all want the best for our club but we aren't always going to agree lol

29 Sep 2014 19:01:38
Since your asking Ed,ronny should be wearing the latest armani suit,and we'll groomed while in charge,Now that's being flippant.

{Ed007's Note - With a nice pair of staunch brown brogues as well! (puke)