Celtic Banter Archive November 27 2015

 

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27 Nov 2015 20:15:11
ED007 I know all the polls were fazed out because of a lack of time by ED001 but please could we have a one off poll on our manager.
Do Celtic fans have confidence in him leading us in CL qualifiers next season. Yes or No?

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{Ed007's Note - I think THIS should work, Tim.}

27 Nov 2015 21:00:22
No. I don't believe he will. He has promised many things since he joined and has delivered little. Now he is promising we will qualify for CL next year! For all of those who claim RD is being given players rather than choosing players, then it's about strange that he categorically states we will get to CL next season? So he must feel he can get there with by and large his current squad. We can continue to let him talk up the future or we can get real and look at this objectively . He is not up to the job!

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27 Nov 2015 21:57:44
Johnnymac What do you expect Ronny to say . Of course he has to be confident and say we will qualify . Imagine the outrage if he said that we wouldn't.

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27 Nov 2015 22:10:56
Rd needs to go but the real problem lies within Celtic are board and majority shareholder DD has no ambitions for Celtic other than to make a few quid, I hope Mr Desmond reads this as he will known as the man who held Celtic back, while his kin fight over his billions, do the right thing and sell our club to someone with a bit of guts and ambition you parasite. Now is the time we fans stick together and rid our club of this cancer.

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27 Nov 2015 22:19:52
OldBhoy the question asked was do Celtic fans have the confidence in RD to get us to CL next year? So don't comment on my post. Do you think he will get us there next yeR? It's a simple question.

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27 Nov 2015 22:59:38
Johnnymac, I will comment on any post here subject to editorial approval . I see no reason why we shouldn't qualify for next season's Champions League .
Qualifying, of course won't depend on what we think or Deila says just now .

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27 Nov 2015 23:03:07
Cheers ED007 only 11 votes so far but most say NO.

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{Ed007's Note - And that's you using all your different accounts! (giggle)

27 Nov 2015 23:11:28
Do I trust him to get us there? Quite simply no. He definitely could but you wouldn't catch me putting a penny on it tbh.

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27 Nov 2015 23:20:18
Yes spot on only another 45 to go lol.

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{Ed007's Note - That's nearly as many as ggk from the zombie's site had.}

28 Nov 2015 09:45:47
Has to be a no confidence for this one. Sure, it might all click but not much evidence from what I see. I do not think he has authority in the dressing room let alone on the park where he appears tactically baffled in Europe. Still not sure who we could attract as a replacement but someone is getting payed more than me have a list of candidates. Like others have said, scouting and investment are relevant issues but I don't want to see another game where Celtic look so woeful on the main (well as close to main as we can get just now) stage. It's still not even 3 years since we beat an amazing Barcelona team. If we had scraped past Malmo this year, that group could have left us with a good of -25+.

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28 Nov 2015 09:49:01
Good=Goal Diff.

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28 Nov 2015 10:16:39
Personally speaking I see polls as pointless as they don't tell you anything other than how a particular group is feeling at a particular time.

Anyone who bases their opinions or actions on the result of a poll is a moron (hope you are reading this Mr Cameron) . We often see people saying we should do something because a high number of people in a poll think we should. However, this is wrong because the form of argument they are using is known as "argumentum ad populum" and it is well known to be fallacious.

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28 Nov 2015 11:49:16
Deila has to put a positive slant on all his objectives and targets or he simply talks himself out the door.
Realistically the supporters can see how far backwards we have slumped in the past few years and this season is the clubs worst in Europe for many a year and no matter how you dress it up - we are a very ordinary side.
The supporters in general have never accepted 'ordinary' at our very extraordinary club and they will decide his fate.
I would like to add that the arrogant and unpopular Collins does nothing to help the managers cause as well.

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28 Nov 2015 13:18:03
Ed, too late now but I think the poll should have been do YOU have confidence as opposed to do Celtic fans. I personally think he might surprise a few people but I don't think Celtic supporters (in general) think we will qualify.
Just my take on it.

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28 Nov 2015 14:18:47
Based on past performance and current performances there is little to substantiate a positive spin on our qualification hopes. The only saving grace was the champions pathway but we're now hoping I avoid Slovaks poles swedes Croatians Ukrainians Serbians and Belorussians

Of course if we only had to worry about the Welsh Northern Irish and Faroese we'd have a right good chance

We should urge FIFA to create a pathway for clubs like no other whereby we can qualify by beating Glasgow City girls in a 2 leg affair

I am with ED. the problems run deeper but wire I disagree with ED I do believe that there is a better managerial trio out there who would prosper more ( with what we have and with the limitations imposed from on high )

We have taken " living within our means" too far and the fan base will slowly disintegrate back to 22000 hard core of we continue on this path of constant rationalisation

Hope puts backsides on seats. Progress is tangible and felt. Where there is positive forward momentum the fans will show up. The issue is that it's all backwards and that is where we lose hope and ultimately interest

If the board said we need a full stadium to give you a team worth shouting about and getting excited about we would be there in our droves and we'd dog deep

The issue nowadays is that we are being fed line after line about progress and team building. This is a brazen lie and the deluded hang on every word spouted by a very clever and manipulative board and management team.

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27 Nov 2015 19:55:17
Well Ronny you have proved me wrong I never thought u would be here for 10 in a row. I just didn't think it would happen so soon.
There is divided opinion on here about our manager, some want him to go now others want him to have another chance etc.
Blame the board/ blame the manager (soz DN30 I forgot Park lol) that is the question.
But look at the manager himself and what he has said.
"We will be fitter" anybody see a difference?
"We will qualify for CL" failed 3 times.
"We will be an exciting attacking team" Really?
"We are improving" Where?
I could go on but you get the gist.
So never mind our own opinion HE has failed in his OWN opinion.
A small positive, we are being told is that 7 scots played last night and that they are the future.
OK its possible, but if Scotland played tomoz how many of the 7 would get a game, probably none. Forrest at a push, so in an era where Scotland are poor and slumped to 52 in the world, below Congo we not even got players good enough for that team.
Finally I would like to leave you with a question to all.
What does Ronny Deila actually bring to the team?

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27 Nov 2015 21:06:25
But playing young scots, irish, british is the future, but they have to played to gain experience, they have to played in their best positions, Ronnie has been guilty of, among other things, playing players out of form, out of position, ignoring more creative younger younger players and going with experience.

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27 Nov 2015 21:08:02
Surely your question starts with where you think we are as a team. This nonsense pushed mainly by the press about Europe is designed as a smokescreen to attack Ronny. Was Europe the be all and end all when Lennon was in charge? We have not dominated Scottish football for years what makes people think we should power through European competition?

For years we have talked of leaving Scotland, EPL, Championship etc, for a 'new challenge' as we were too big for Scotland. The best concept i heard was the Nth Atlantic League. Most secondary leagues would be there. What we saw last night was a Nth Atlantic league game. Viewed in that respect it surely changes perspective?

Tierney, Rogic, Allen, Armstrong Forrest and GMS, all young players who will have taken lots from this. All linked to Ronny in some way. Biton, made a much more influential player by Ronny. Griffiths, changed his whole life style under Ronny's instruction. We also now score in Europe and have spells where we are very good at keeping possession. And to the defence. We lost Denyier and Virgil, FFS quite a hole to fill eh? I remember when Celtic fans gave young players a bit of slack, let's remember Boyata is a young player as well, but Jozo looks able and will get better.

We had to change as a club. We needed someone to coach, in life and the game, a crop of talented younger players. I think Ronny is the guy who will do it. Only a shocking bit of cheating, and that's what it was, denied this man a treble! Add Christie, Henderson and M'Connell and that's quite a young squad. I am confident he can do it.

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27 Nov 2015 21:41:12
Why is'nt McConnel getting more of a chance?

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27 Nov 2015 22:01:59
The press or more specifically Scottish media have kept intense pressure and scrutiny on Ronny to help to grow unrest amongst Celtic supporters, so that Celtic don't have time to build a strong side to be ready to face Rangers should they ever become reasonable again.

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27 Nov 2015 22:31:44
OldBhoy has it really come to the point where you are blaming the Scottish press for trying to destabilise the fans and get Ronnie out? Come on man I may not agree with your posts but Up to now you have made sense on occasion but you are really dragging the bottom of the barrel trying to defend RD with that post.

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27 Nov 2015 22:58:01
GJ you are not answering the question mate. Soz but the "young" players u mention, Tierney (was he not at the club when RD got there) , Rogic (Lennon signing) , Armstrong (played out of position consistently) , GMS AGE 24, Forrest AGE 24, Allen (hardly played) I think you are clutching at straws. The thing is there is no evidence to back up what RD is saying.
Out of all these young players you can argue only 2 of them have got better, Forrest and Rogic. Even that only its only fitness that's got them there.
So are we saying now the only thing the manager can bring to the table is a fitness plan?

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27 Nov 2015 23:01:24
Johnnymac, you really don't have to show yourself up by commenting on successive posts of mine . I can have an opinion .

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27 Nov 2015 23:04:27
Listen lads, I don't listen to the Scottish press, I have seen them for decades trying to unsettle our club and players. My criticism of RD I'd based on the evidence of my own eyes. It is my view not Keith Jackson's or Hugh Kevin's that RD is clearly failing to deliver what he himself promised. It is insulting to suggest that fans who are critical of his management are being influenced by people who try to undermine celtic fc. More than anything I want us to be a success and if that could happen under RD that would be great. I expect us to be able to compete in Europe and I am convinced with a more astute flexible and tactically aware manager we would perform better. If people think the club needed to change then it is certain he is not the man to do it, for those who think he is they will be waiting a long time, he is no more competent than Tony Mowbray with his never ending project.

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28 Nov 2015 00:31:15
Grout64 you must have been very disappointed in the 80's and 90's when we went 26 or more years without European football after Christmas . How did you ever accept MO'N with his multi million squad and them failing to even qualify for European Football in his first year .

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28 Nov 2015 10:59:56
Old bhoy I don't understand your point but I will answer your question. I accepted MON because his job in the first year was to overcome the old rangers who had a decade or more of dominance (except for Wim) . When MON took over they had won the previous league by 21 points and had signed a multitude of international players with the idea of having three teams for separate competitions. MON took them on won the treble then went onto a run 75 consecutive games at Celtic park undefeated. In the first year it was clear not only were we improving but becoming the dominant force from a position of also rans. really comparing RD abject and incompetent performance to MON is idiotic but hey it makes for debate I suppose.

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28 Nov 2015 14:42:00
I have not bought a newspaper since the days of Alex Cameron and Hugh Taylor and my high blood pressure forbids me from listening to biased radio broadcasts or fixed-phone-ins so I can never be swayed or intimidated by our Slanted Scribes.
The opinions I have and post are based on what I see on the pitch or hear from our management teams pre or post match interviews.
Domestically we are progressing well, although a wee bit inconsistent in performances but a mini collapse from Aberdeen gave us a bit of breathing space lately.
In Europe we have started most of the games very well and even scored some early goals; however this has been followed by a nervousness and assortment of basic errors in every game - resulting in comical defending (including poor goalkeeping) and poor decisions all over the pitch.
We have conceded 11 goals in 5 games resulting in bottom place - and that is very disappointing and demoralising.

The strong finish and excellent teamwork of last season has been hampered by a rebuilt back four and a serious loss of form to several players including Gordon, Johansen, the lads from DU and Scott Brown, plus an apparent issue with Commons attitude and discipline.
This has contributed to our European nightmare but has also raised concerns about the manager.
He has introduced and improved players like Tierney, Rogic, Forrest and Bitton;
We play a good steady possession game but maybe lack tempo/ pace/penetration and his formation/tactics iare rigid Finally for me - most of His signings have yet to impress and his record in Europe so far this term, is far below what supporters expect/demand after so much promise.

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27 Nov 2015 18:38:57
So Ronny again. really? Left with out FOUR first pick midfield picks, and of course Commons unavailable, he had to go with young players. Hard enough domestically but horrendous in Europe. McGregor, pulled in after months on the fringe done okay, exceptionally so with his goal. Armstrong and Rogic adapted well to difficult holding roles, both are happier going forward, but done a shift for the team. Even Forrest covered his side.

After the goal we looked okay for 10-15 minutes, i was in fact quite impressed by our bravery to take a pass and play in tight angles, but Ajax were always going to have a spell. For me Gordon has to hold his hands up, get it? for the first. After it spins into the air he should have went through everyone and punched. Initially it was a rank rotten deflection, you noticed how they always fall to other teams in Europe?, So lousy luck.

Second again i hold Gordon to blame, near post? The cardinal sin for keepers. And he was well off his post. We also could have scored, more than once, if Griffiths had his shooting boots on. He was also guilty of not squaring twice to unmarked player

Lastly, Young Allen and Tierney. Balls of steel KT, what a find. Allen, jeeze i feel for the boy. A sublime pass, and i mean Pirlo like quality, to Griffiths should have won it. Caught short, lesson there for the boy about Europe, but showed he might be a vital link this season.

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27 Nov 2015 23:05:37
GJ 10 Europa league games without a win if that is not RDs fault then who.

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28 Nov 2015 05:23:12
Think you got the culprit here, GJ, and those who deserve credit. Forrest has been the only player for me with a relative consistency in Europe: looked willing if not always able. Tiernay, best of our lot. And surely time for Allen to get a run.

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28 Nov 2015 09:15:19
I'm not a fan of Craig Gordon but for me Boyata shoulda stuck his head on the ball for their first. The second goal I can understand what CG was doing so don't really blame him for that either. I blame Armstrong for taking a short corner. What was he thinking! Put our big guys in the box then play it short does my head in!

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28 Nov 2015 12:01:17
The same players are making the same errors every time and because we have failed to rectify our problem positions, deficiencies and surplus dross in several concecutive windows, we have nothing better to come in.
Gordon is having a really poor season and in all fairness needed a rest after playing a full season so well after a very long lay-off. Boyata and Simunovic have hardly played together - but will never be a Denayer/VVD pair and Lustig, Johansen, Brown and the Dundee Utd lads have all been a fraction of last seasons form and effectiveness.
The squad does have some great potential and a group of talented young players but needs some experience and reliability all over the pitch.
Like previous managers did with old heads brought in.

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{Ed007's Note - Gordon isn't having a poor season, he's playing without the protection of van Dijk and Denayer in front of him and he cost us again on Thursday. If he spends any more time flapping about in no man's land he'll be up for a part in a John Lewis Christmas ad.}

27 Nov 2015 18:12:46
The mistake aside i really hope Scott Allan can get a decent run in the team from here. He looks like he could be a good creative midfielder. Besides, that corner should have been whipped in.

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27 Nov 2015 13:35:10
On a seperate note to all the doom and gloom.

We are due a new sponsor end of the season, any idea if Magners are staying on or who the potential next sponsor will be?

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27 Nov 2015 14:27:03
I've no idea mate but I would like to see the club gain a good sponsorship deal from a company that isn't alcohol related. I like a drink as much as the next man but I just don't think it's a good image for the club to be constantly advertising bevvie. Needs must though and if it's what's best for the club then so be it. If we are to advertise beer then I sure would like to see the Guinness harp on a celtic top. Have Guinness ever put a deal to Celtic?

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27 Nov 2015 16:07:28
Totally agree with this Gents, All my shirts are bought without the sponsor for this reason.

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27 Nov 2015 18:36:17
Looks better without the logos anyway :D.

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27 Nov 2015 10:55:40
Well as Celtic supporters we have the power to change what's happening at our club. Rad now talking about 'next year' I know for a fact that if he's still in charge and our board continue to under invest in dross not fit to wear the hoops I will not be renewing my season card. We have to send a message out, that their actions will have consequences.

It's been a long time that we've had such a poor strike force, we've all stated time and time again that LG wasn't going to be able to do the business in Europe, and last night was just dire.

Even if the board were only concerned about the money, how can they fail to see that if we sell our best players don't replace them with quality then we'll crash out of the CL and kiss goodbye to any large cheque. Absolutely crazy!

As other fans have stated our scouting and coaching standard iOS in dire need of an overhaul - good players going backwards and as we've seen other smaller teams have been able to search and attract far better quality players.

RD will go, but it can't just end there were fast becoming the 'easy' team to beat in Europe, easily neutralised up front and a nervous defence - hardly a winning combination.

Make it known to the board that we won't stand for this, the fans represent what Celtic stand for- we have the power to force change.

If the SPL had any quality we wouldn't be sitting top and this is what RD and the board will now focus on - winning a poor league and them collecting their bonuses!

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27 Nov 2015 17:29:40
surely we knew before the AGM about the strengths and weaknesses of our manager and his squad . Surely we should have made the Board defend its lack of spending on Quality first team players .
By not doing above we have allowed the Board to laugh at us.

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27 Nov 2015 10:30:15
without a doubt the management is to blame
and unfortunately the time has come to part company with them.
RD cannot make excuses about budgets etc he has signed duds after duds and comes up with the same excuses that we are improving and our time will come! your time has come ronnie!
molde have a fraction of the budget we have and look at them!
look at gent, olympiakos, astana amd others who have smaller budgets so the problem isn't down to that its down to the quality of the management that's not there! what's peoples opinions!?

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27 Nov 2015 11:28:55
I think budgets are important, if you continually sell players for up to £10m and replace them with £1m players from Dundee Utd, then over a period of time the standard is bound to drop.
It's naïve to think that you can keep buying bargain basement players and turn them into superstars, this may happen very occasionally, but most of the time you just end up with rank average players.
The board has to decide where the club is going, at what point will they decide that the decline has gone far enough?
I think that it has gone far enough now, the stupid thing is that their efforts to save money is now costing the club money. How giving up the revenue from the Champions league, and losing money through less people coming through the turnstiles, is seen as good management is beyond me.
I would like to see some investment put into the team, if this current board are not willing to do so, then I wish they would make way for people who are, sadly though, I won't be holding my breath.

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27 Nov 2015 16:05:13
Perfect post gerry.

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27 Nov 2015 17:31:31
I agree Gerryc but we have missed the boat again this season .

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27 Nov 2015 19:16:54
Gerry and Jim Tim. Please tell me who these people are who are going to invest in the club if you get rid of the current board? It's easy to make these statements about telling the board to stand aside but who is standing around with the money? So if DD sells his shares the money goes to him not to the club. So you are saying that DD should sell his shares to "somebody" who will not only buy his shares but also put his hand deep into his pocket and give money to Celtic, for free, to invest in the team? It does not work like that. Celtic are a Plc. The board don't own the club, the shareholders do. Any shares bought and sold are bought and sold between the shareholder and the buyer. The club make no money from it. So the comments about DD standing aside mean hee haw! Unless someone is willing to offer to buy all of the shares from all of the shareholders we are where we are.

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27 Nov 2015 20:18:39
Johnnymac, I don't know if there is anybody waiting in the wings to buy Dermot Desmond's shares, all I'm saying is that the team badly needs some investment put into it.
Whatever the business speak is for who owns the club, or who sells shares to who, there is a policy at the club that has seen the team weakened severely over the last few years. There must be people at the club who decided on this strategy. In that case surely these same people could decide on a different strategy.
I can't make them do it, I'm just saying it's what I would like to see happen. I'm sure Dermot Desmond has done quite well out of Celtic these last few years, Isn't it about time he put something back into them.

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27 Nov 2015 21:18:55
Gerry I am no fan of DD or the Board. But the notion that DD should put his own money into the club for free is silly. First of all how much money do you want him to put in? Is it £5mill or £10 mill or £20 mill? How much does it need to make us competitive? He is a preferential shareholder. If he throws in £20 mill and Celtic qualify for CL next season then the dividend paid out must be shared between all its preferential shareholders so you really are asking DD or whomever to give away their total investment so the other preferential shareholders can benefit from that? It can't and won't happen. So once you get your head around that and understand that this is not a privetly owned club who can be transferred from one owner to the next. And again ask yourself just how much money do you thing it needs?

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27 Nov 2015 22:37:32
Johnnymac, I am only making the point that the team needs money spent on, it, it's up to the people that run the club to decide how it's done, not me.
How do other clubs manage to do it?
As I said previously, I can't make anybody put their money into the club, but if somebody claims to be a supporter and has made a lot of money from the club, then I think at times he should be willing to put something back. I know I would if it was me.

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27 Nov 2015 10:26:09
A lot of people using a lack of usual midfield as an excuse, arn, t the usual suspects largely responsible for where we are now!

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27 Nov 2015 10:07:36
Chris Sutton has my total respect, he called the whole club out and it's well overdue! Time for the board to take the stick! Bring it on I say! Hail Hail.

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27 Nov 2015 12:18:01
Mine also, He says it like he is. PL will no doubt ban him now for having an opinion.

Sack the Board Sack the Board Sack the Board, Oh how i miss that song.

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27 Nov 2015 13:03:14
Lol, that's true Stan, I would love to hear those words at the next home game? What do you all think? Hail Hail

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27 Nov 2015 13:09:52
To be fair big Sutton really was talking from the heart, you can see it really hurts him to see Celtic bottom of the group without a single win in Europes second tier tournament? The question is this.. If we don't start singing Sack the board and protesting at the front door what will change? Absolutely nothing, is it going to take loosing the SPL for the board to change? Tell you what guys although I'm sure we will win it, I wouldn't put my house on it. That's a sad thing to say when your nearest challengers are made up of journeymen pros at best. Standards are dropping before our eyes and we all just seem to accept it? What a bunch of Percies we are!

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27 Nov 2015 16:00:23
I haven't been to a home game recently i'm afraid i made the decision a few months back that I wouldn't attend home games while these fools ruined our club. I don't fly until Monday so i'll make sure i'm in Inverness and i'll glady start the "sack the board" chants.

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27 Nov 2015 17:38:59
There is no way we should be fair to Sutton . From day one of Deilla's appointment he has ridiculed R D none stop. Every Celtic match covered by BT he continuously interrupts as co-commentator ridiculing Deila . I have never anyone non stop ridiculing anyone, especially not a club he once played for, going over the top.
What is your grievences Sutton, have you a big bet that Deila will be sacked .

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27 Nov 2015 18:19:36
I am glad Sutton said what he did, he is correct and in truth as angry as he was I was more furious. Delia is incompetent a hopeless manager but one who thinks he can fool the support by continual promises of improvement usually in a years time while he destroys the team. Time for him to go I would prefer today but any time before Sunday will suffice.

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27 Nov 2015 19:32:46
Predictable retort from Oldboy. Ok old yin what needs to be done to improve things?

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27 Nov 2015 22:10:38
Sack the Board I have posted several times recently that the fans have to lobby the Board at every AGM to make sure the Board raise more funds and give these funds to the manager to strengthen squad .
I have also said that in the event of the board not taking sufficient action, we should arrange a boycott of programmes, club shop on match days and Kerrydale Bar etc
We will of course continue to attend matches, but will hit turnover and force change

Much better than wasting time about Livingstone or Living Wage.

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27 Nov 2015 10:01:27
Can someone just explain why a player who has captained our club briskly walked off the park and headed straight up the tunnel before the game had finished? Where was the desire to help the club. If a logical reason is supplied I will stop pulling my last few hairs oot in frustration /anger. Jack Charlton played up front (semi-effectively) against Scotland in 1967 with a bust foot.

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27 Nov 2015 14:08:00
I agree in my opinion he should never set foot on the park again regardless of him being ( injured) he walked of the park if he could walk of the park he could walk on it so get rid.

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27 Nov 2015 17:29:21
Sums it up when even the undead are taking the piss and I struggle to argue the case.

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27 Nov 2015 18:54:39
Am no undead am alive and kicking. More than can be said aboot mulgrew who was alive and not kicking.

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27 Nov 2015 08:50:37
Last nights result was a huge disappointment especially when the game could quite easily have gone our way had chances been taken. It did come down to poor individual decisions. Griffiths choosing to shoot on sight when passes available and Gordon getting beaten at his near post. While he was anticipating the pass 99 times out of 100 he still doesn't get there if the ball is rolled across. How many times is he beaten at his near post?

Thought we looked defensively stronger with jozo in there and some good play going forward. Players seemed to tire with the lack of games but couldn't fault the effort last night. Armstrong while not spectacular looked a better player centrally and bar mcgregors touch for the equaliser had a pretty good game. Tierney was excellent again and Forrest is looking stronger every week.

I know ajax were missing players too but not their entire staring midfield and captain. I know a lot of people are hurting but did anyone notice how quickly celtic broke and attacked last night with none of the old guard in the team. We're in a situation now where Ronny can't play players that played last night due to players back from injury suspension etc. i'm including commons johannson and brown. All these players slow down the attack as haven't got the pace to get forward as quickly. Is this why we haven't seen ronny's philosophy? Can't drop the big earners?

Lastly I see a lot of people backing Chris Sutton. While some of what he says is true, every week on bt we are subjected to him putting the boot into celtic and never has a positive thing to say about the club. Its a bad sign when the host has to correct him when he's rambling on.

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27 Nov 2015 09:43:36
Unlike in the SPL most bad mistakes we make in Europe are punished - as we have seen this season with McGregor, Ambrose, Boyata and Gordon etc etc.
The same basic errors have been happening too long - even when personnel are changed like dropping Izzaguire, Ambrose - and trying different midfield options.
The coaching can be blamed to a certain extent, but most of these mistakes and poor touches should have been eradicated at a much earlier period in their careers surely?
The standard of the current squad is simply not good enough for european football and if we continue to decline and settle for inferior, we will even struggle domestically!
We have all been patient with RD and bought into his ideas but in all honesty, by finishing bottom of this group with no wins at all so far, would suggest we are going backwards.

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27 Nov 2015 10:04:10
I agree with a lot of what you have said in that post, but watching the game I didn't think we were particularly fast going forward. We hit on the break on a few occasions, but most of the time we did it was left to Griffiths and other than maybe one of the central 3 we didn't flood players into the box.

I do think its unnecessary, especially in the SPL to play with 2 holding midfielders. Rogic was totally lost in the first half when trying to play in a deeper role. Any of Brown, Bitton or Johansen would have made a difference in that sense, and Mulgrew did for 20 minutes. But that's just tough luck that they were unavailable.

For the first time i'm thinking if we are going to sack Ronny now is the time. New manager would have a transfer window and a 6 point lead in the league. I like Ronny but I think this job has come too early for him, he has some good ideas, but doesn't execute them. Last season he said judge me on next season, now he says we will be ready for next season. Surely it's a worry waiting for next season when it's not December yet!

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27 Nov 2015 10:24:29
Chris Sutton is going Tonto because he lived the club. He is one of us. He makes those comments every week because we make the same shambolic mistakes every effin week.

There was nothing he said either me or anyone I know disagreed with.

Lawell taking a bonus fir anything other CL qualification to me us theft. Who is he trying to kid?

They have sold all our best players and replaced them with second rate players. 19 players Delilah has brought in with half of them wouldn't get a game doon the school.

If the board do not invest in quality in January we can kiss any remote and I mean effin Pluto remote, chance of making it next year.

Keep it up Chris and other supporters not afflicted by the forelock tugging syndrome.

We are Celtic and that board needs to have a listen to Chris and sort it out.

Maybe Dermot could break a 20 and maybe give us a fiver?

Of all the billionaires in all the world, he had to walk.

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27 Nov 2015 15:30:50
Are you for real NT87? Sack Deila just now when the treble is still a possibility? that's one of the worst comments I have heard yet! We were missing key players last night that make a difference through injury and suddenly that's Deilas fault?

Its the boards fault for replacing players with substandard quality. That squad has not depth in terms of wingers and strikers. Another failing by John Park.

Chris Sutton is nothing but an over-opinionated trouble maker, who has had it in for Deila from day 1.

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27 Nov 2015 16:34:28
Jim McIntyre and Tommy Wright are also on for a treble DN30. That's means absolutely nothing. I could win the treble with Celtic. Are you just going to keep believing Ronny when he says judge me next season? That could go on for 5 years!

I liked Ronny, even said it wasn't all his fault going out of CL. But look at the state of us in the Europa league.

Maybe if Park and the board are the problem Deila should stand up to them. He seems quite happy to take the blame every time. What are your ambitions under Deila DN30. If you are so quick to shoot me down, what master plan do you think Deila has?

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27 Nov 2015 17:53:41
We don't always play in Europe after Christmas, so I don't see why we should be shocked, we did last year and please God we will next year . Against Molde home and away we were between poor and very poor . However Molde before last night had top results against the other two teams .
Last night we should be able to take a lot of positives . Half the team and more were young and inexperienced at European Level . For most of the game we were slightly the better team especially the second half, with a little luck and better decision making in front goal we could have easily scored a couple more .
Ajax had luck with a couple of riochetes before their opening goal and their winning goal was a bit odd as well. I thought we played as a team last night and weren't too bad . Of course the loud groans when players like GMS tried a flick that didn't come off, didn't indicate much of an attempt at supporting.

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27 Nov 2015 18:03:28
DN 30 It's true the board have to accept blame for their buy to sell model. In saying that RDbshould be sacked he has failed on every target set, not by the board or the fans but by himself

He said he would qualify for the CL this season, he didn't
He said he would make the team fitter, he hasn't
He said we would play a high tempo pressing game, we don't
He said he would improve our players, he hasn't
Here said we would dominate games from start to finish, we can't


He is incompetent and in denial, I have said before 8 other SPL managers could win the league if they had our squad,

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27 Nov 2015 19:35:49
DN30 take the Deila tinted spectacles off! Laughable how much you defend the guy.

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27 Nov 2015 19:36:04
DN of course its his fault. He cudnt beat these teams even when our best players were fit. So what difference does it make if they wernt.
There is absoulutely no evidence to suggest our key players would have helped apart from your own opinion.

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27 Nov 2015 19:43:53
I'm glad it's not just me! I was of the keep Deila opinion until maybe a month or 6 weeks ago. DN30 fires his opinion out like I'm from another planet for wanting changes to be made at a sensible time.

Maybe DN30 is Ronnys code name. Daft Norweigan? 3 attempts at Europe with 0 success. He'll be called DN90 if he gets his wish of another few seasons.

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28 Nov 2015 00:01:31
Brilliant NT87 lol.

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27 Nov 2015 08:43:33
Bottom of the Europa League, How the mighty have fallen under this new business model thrust upon by DD and PL.

Get used to it Bhoys this is the way it will remain under this Board.

How long is the support going to out up with this failed Board, They have a bigger biscuit tin than the Board pre 94!

No ambition. No cash injections. No plan to take us forward. Just a business model that does not work on the park.

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27 Nov 2015 06:24:23
I think what bothers me more about these results is the apparent lack of motivation that is evident in our team. Apart from some of the younger lads the team just doesn't look as if they are interested. Ajax were no great team last night and the game at times descended into the equivalent of a Sunday league kick about. I know it's impossible to say but in my opinion, NL would have walked this group. RD and his staff have been found out time and again in Europe but what are our owners going to do about it? Nothing. As long as RD is getting the domestic results, his job is safe. I mean, who in their right mind would sack a manager top of the domestic league and still in both cups? I would. it's time for a clear out because it's no good just being at the top in Scotland because we are Celtic supporters and we deserve way, way more than that!

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27 Nov 2015 11:04:15
We are just the best of a bad lot. Having a shambles of a defence is a cast iron guarantee the only way we're heading is down.

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27 Nov 2015 00:21:53
Guys, I'm not one to shout 'Time to go. Do the right thing and resign' etc. I REALLY like RD. but it's just not happening. AT ALL! Tonight has done it for me. Watching the game tonight confirmed what I thought before kick off. We were playing a competent team. Nothing more. Nothing to be afraid of. I know we were missing a whole midfield but we really should have got more out of the game. RD, JC and JK just do not gel. Takes a lot for me to say this as I sooooooooo wanted it to work, but change is needed. NOW. I also think PL has dug a hole for himself with the public backing last week. Downhearted. : (

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27 Nov 2015 00:15:41
I'm not upset as I got what I expected. RD did not make an arse of the play for Ajax first goal (schoolboy stuff imo) . Second goal was a joke, near post (WTF was Gordon) and the defending? The hungrier team won. Griffiths was selfish too many times.
This mess is all about players. They are just not good enough and that is down to what we are prepared to spend. Over the last few years we have continually sold our good players so no continuity and no chance for any manager. If I were RD, I would resign tomorrow. Not because he failed but to show that the board beat him. We are in the cups and will probably walk the league but will never be anything else with the current policy in place. I have been a pay per game supporter because of my overseas job but I can say that I will be buying no more bricks in wall, paving stones, football tops, stadium tours (4 so far for B'days etc. ) etc. or going to anymore games until we change our boards attitude. Been following since just over six years of age (1959) and had many great times along with down times when cheats took the glory BUT. always saw some light ahead. Not any more. No manager can improve us in Europe and RD (who has kept us in control at home) will not get the chance if we keep this policy. Love the club but I am not stupid
Hail Hail.

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27 Nov 2015 00:24:45
You contradict yourself so many times, The players Are good enough, the problem is Ronnie, maybe it is a clash of personalities or whatever, but the obvious thing is, he does'nt have the ability, the nouss, the hardness, the common sense, the' knack ' to manage a team like Celtic.

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27 Nov 2015 00:31:13
Ok Tiny thanks for your support see you later, I've only been a supporter for 5 decades and a season ticket holder for 4 of them and I'm not giving up just yet.

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27 Nov 2015 01:22:19
i would say the whole mess started when Strachan left and the board/club decided on the cheaper untested manager and it worked - in part - with NL who won a few trophies but should have won more and had some ups and downs in the CL and EL and it has to be said had some very unsavoury incidents and circumstances to endure.
We then went for another relatively unknown manager although with some experience.
Both managers were given lesser budgets than previous managers although the club continually made huge profits from selling off our best players.
The replacements for these stars over the past 4 years or so have been progressively of a lower calibre and ability and whether this has been down to scouting or managerial choice is immaterial as the current squad is inadequate for the European stage.
Add to this the current manager (and his assistants) lack of experience and comprehension of this level and we have a team and a club in the mess we are in tonight.
The decision makers at Celtic got a wee bit too complacent and short sighted when Rangers died and now it is biting them on the bahooky - big time.
They need to look in the mirror and make bigger and better decisions as the supporters will soon let them know, as they have done in the past.
Incidentally the fans never stayed to boo yet another poor result and performance - they just walked out in disgust.

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27 Nov 2015 01:32:17
The players aren't good enough Aiden, or at least not the many that Ronny seems intent on selecting.

The likes of Johansen, Brown, Armstrong, Ciftci, Blackett, Boyata, GMS, Mulgrew, Stokes, Griffiths (In Europe) and a few others simply aren't good enough for the hoops, some more so than others but still poor players who will take us nowhere, But Deila keeps perceviering with these imposters week after week and in the end these players have cost him his job and he only has himself to blame as I warned at the start of the season these players if continually played would cost him. And surely they have Ronny cannot be given another crack at Europe with us no chance. P. S I realise Stokes hasn't played under Ronny this season but I just mean the general level of player in the squad ain't good enough.

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27 Nov 2015 09:17:25
The players are good enough to win the domestic trophies, that's about it for them.
We are signing players in line with DD's business model so it will be from the SPL or occasional lower leagues abroad. Once in a while we will get a class act who will use us as a stepping stone which, again, is in line with the business module.
NO manager can build any kind of team around that system. that's why NL and WGS left.
If our players were as good as THEY think they are, why are they still with us? Not pure loyalty, its because there is no barrage of clubs banging at the door.
This was not a difficult group for us to qualify from but our position in it rightly reflects our performances and I do not expect anything from the last game.
If I hear any more about how disappointed the manager and players are then I will scream.

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27 Nov 2015 09:22:48
Right, the frustration is out of my system and I have it all worked out.
Recent posts about politicians being involved have led me to a new conclusion. It has nothing to do with us being cripcrap, having jerseys shrinking to fit our inferior players or the manager struggling with the 24 hour clock never mind team tactics. ITS A POLITICAL STATEMENT -
There is going to be a referendum about staying in Europe and Celtic have stated their decision by getting out as quickly as possible. Now it all makes sense. Hail Hail.

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27 Nov 2015 00:12:26
Simple question where do we go from here. bottom of a poor group, no defender that is willing to go in where it hurts, no out and out striker, player just walking of the park (last game for Him if board have the Ba.

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26 Nov 2015 23:58:40
Not going to come on here and give the
Team pelters I support the team through good and bad. So the positives of the game. Tierney was a class act. You can't buy the old fashion defending he does. Forrest was really good as well. Scott Allan surley deserves more time on the pitch he's obviously got something.

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27 Nov 2015 00:18:09
Agree we need to give Allen game time, his ball through to Griffiths was real quality,shows that he's got a killer ball, something we've been screaming out for years now.

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27 Nov 2015 00:28:16
But he is a Rangers supporter and he is not Norwegian, he's got no chance.

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27 Nov 2015 01:34:05
Allan should play ahead of both Brown and Johansen who haven't done it this season and have been given more than ample chance. I would start Bitton and Allan together on Sunday. Known Ronny though he'll go with Johansen and with that as I've said before it's time to go.

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