Celtic Banter Archive July 27 2017

27 Jul 2017 21:54:20
Maybe our worse performance since Brendan became Manger . Maybe Ajer and Gordan did OK as did Ntcham for the first half .
The rest quite frankly were collectively not good enough, each and everyone under performed .
Were they over trained this week and hit the field heavy legged. Surely not with all the scientific information available .
More likely Brendan, who I have praised profusely since he came, and deservedly so, might have got it wrong, did he talk down Rosenber's ability to our players . He certainly was too open in describing how Rogic would play . That didn't exactly help as the Norwegians were fully prepared and we got no surprise for them . He wouldn't be our first manager to talk down opposition before big game . J Stein did it before 1970 European Cup final and like last Wed. Nearly all our team under performed .
Next week we have another big chance and Brendan and our players can put things right.

{Ed007's Note - Red Imps will ALWAYS be our worst performance under Rodgers for me, Chris.}

27 Jul 2017 22:31:14
Think it was more to do with Brendan doing what I will call a "Ronnyism", that is playing players out of position and throwing players together in unfamiliar roles and expecting them to perform, as if they were a tried and tested unit,

{Ed007's Note - I said that was one of my main apprehensions about him when he came in, he had a reputation for making strange decisions like that at Liverpool. The Calvin Miller at LB still doesn't make sense to me, is he KT's understudy now? A lad that was voted the best in the world for his age playing in his natural attacking position is now a LB?}

28 Jul 2017 01:05:32
The Red Imps match was more to do with it been R D first match, the red hot heat and the poor plastic pitch and the fact I had gone to the Felons in Belfast, Celtic always lose when I go there .
I don't think BR had many alternatives on Wed but telling everyone was certainly not his smartest move .
I have very little problem with him playing players for a game or two in different positions, it helps young players in particular to get a better understanding of the shape of team and game .

I thought every Liverpool supporter would still be genuflecting everytime his name is mentioned because he got L'poool their highest league position in something like 25 yrs.

28 Jul 2017 02:22:10
Apart from rogic who was out of position folks from the starting 11.

28 Jul 2017 07:26:35
You know mally I was wondering that myself , but was bowing to other peoples superior football knowledge , even rogic was a necessity and would not have happened had dembele or Griffiths been able to play.

28 Jul 2017 08:55:10
dunno why he never played sinclair up top, with hayes on left, bench ntchem . wouldve been an easy fix, and only sinclair wouldve been out, but he's played there b4. wrong call from the gaffer imo.

28 Jul 2017 09:07:59
Wrong call from the gaffer, but we got away with it and the tie is still open, hopefully a lesson learned. A big part of us lacking a cutting edge. No excuse for some other players though and sloppy performances, rightly said Mally. We can do this.

28 Jul 2017 09:42:34
who is to say sinky would have done better up front? all his goals come from cutting in. i don't think Aitcheson looks an out and out striker either, is he ready for high pressure football and has he even started a competitive game? what quality strikers is going to want to come and fight it out with LG to play second fiddle to MD? Rogic didn't work as well as hoped. from this stage to last year we have lost 4 games twice to Barcelona and went undefeated domestically. now we are criticizing Rogers for playing a guy who plays of the striker up front. really get a grip folks. we where rusty we will win next week. enjoy the good times and stop looking for snow falling.

28 Jul 2017 11:53:25
Well, was talking about the team from last season, even though Ncham, might have played well, his presence disrupted last year's team, I would have played Rogic in his normal position, in fact, kept the team as close as possible to last season's, and just substituted someone for Dembelle / Griffith's, even played Ncham, as a striker, or promoted one of the young ones, find it strange that Ciftci, wasn't in the cl pool, he might not be everyone's cup of tea, but he is a striker when he is in the mood, does that mean he is getting moved out?

28 Jul 2017 15:47:36
I agree Ncham played well but like Nir Bitton disrupts the flow of play we normally have. For this tie I would leave Ncham on the bench he has just arrived also and has probably been guaranteed game time! However I would play Sinky through the middle and Forrest/ Hayes and Benyu on the other flank.

28 Jul 2017 20:01:15
I agree about playing players in their best and most effective positions, but I remember Davie Hay stating in his autobiography that Big Jock played him at centre forward and centre half in a couple of games and King Kenny played at centre Half in a reserve match, he said Big Jock believed it was an important part of a players development to understand different roles in a team. No point, it just got me thinking that as a Celtic Supporter himself, whether Brendan has been channelling the Big mans philosophy in his career?

28 Jul 2017 21:41:53
Yeah, would agree with playing players out of position in meaningless or training games just to give players an appreciation of what it takes to play in that position, but totally disagree with it in a crucial game.

29 Jul 2017 00:56:56
If my memory serves me correctly big Ajer played up front from time to time in the Norwegian League .
Any surprise move would have made more sense than the telegraphed one we made.

27 Jul 2017 20:47:32
Best post of the night Kenzo!

27 Jul 2017 19:52:34
Result apart i really enjoyed last nights game, imagine a Euro league with that type of competition? but i digress.

For me our problem was not of our own making, they were REALLY well drilled, fit and well organised. The fact they are also SEVENTEEN competitive games ahead was always going to cause a problem. But they never scored. Even during a ten-fifteen minute spell when we were a bit ragged. This will be key for me, i think we can score over there.

Plus points? Ajer definitely showed enough to suggest he has it. Ntcham looks really smart and moves things quickly, even quicker when he's up to speed i would hope.

Worries? Sinky looks a bit behind the game for me at the moment, i would hope that's just a bit of rust. Rogic? Poor till the subs moved him deeper, benefit of the doubt as he sacrificed it for the team. Could also be the guy who wins it in Norway.

All in all a difficult game early in the season but i think we can go through, they have to open up and Griff will be back.

27 Jul 2017 20:42:00
Think a lot of people are overlooking the fact they were a clever team GJ they didn't allow themselves to be drawn out when we tried to pass the ball about they were happy to let us play then the 2nd half they were forcing Celtic to go long as we had no outball upfront we should be able to see them off next week.

27 Jul 2017 22:50:39
I thought they came out a lot.

Ntcham looked good and lustig (who I greatly admire as a lb) was bombing down the wing. but I have never thought of lusting as a great crosser or someone who will cut inside with a driving run into the box. but first half. this seemed our only plan and got no joy.
I still think it's bad prep from us to not have a fit named striker in the squad last night. If ajer can be trusted to stop them scoring, we must have someone who can be trusted to play the cf role.

27 Jul 2017 17:11:36
I think we missed Calum McGregors driving runs and the impetus he gives us going forward in last night's game. Thought Ajer was excellent for his big debut. Things will open up next Wednesday and we will win the game. Keep positive!

27 Jul 2017 18:38:48
He's so underrated.

27 Jul 2017 19:08:42
I wasn't at the game last night so maybe my opinion isn't worth much but here go's with my 3 points. (1) I believe that had the Green Brigade been there last night it might just have encouraged the team to a victory as by all accounts the support sounded like the prawn sandwich Brigade (bad choice of words) that Roy Keane used to talk about at Old Trafford and (2) sounded like we were lucky not to lose the game and (3) winning over there to a team who have only lost 1 game in the last 12 games is no stick on certainty. On a plus note we didn't lose a goal. ☘️.

27 Jul 2017 20:49:01
Yet more sense JFP. But we will beat them away. They think the job is done.

27 Jul 2017 20:50:29
JFP I was at the game and the green brigade not being there had bugger all to do with us not winning and them being there wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference! We didn't win because we played Shoite, it's as simple as that really! Our shape or should I say lack of it was poor to say the least and Sinclair and rogic were totally wasted in positions they shouldn't be in! So the fans not singing songs loud enough had hee haw to do with it! And the team didn't exactly give us a lot to be cheering about!

27 Jul 2017 20:50:52
I don't think that the Green Brigade would have made any difference last night, for whatever reason, too many of our best players just didn't perform.
Rosenberg were very well organised, but we weren't able to disrupt their system and playing Rogic up front made it easy for them.
I would have rather seen Sinclair up front, he might have been able to move them about a bit more and Rogic could have probed for openings, it might at least have given them something to think about.
In my opinion, The midfield that we played last night are decent players, but threading balls through a packed defence is not their strength, so most of the passing was from side to side, with the wingers doing nothing it just made it so easy for them to keep us at arms length.
I don't think that Rosenberg will play any different in the second leg, at least for an hour or so, from their point of view they have to stop us scoring, as good a result as it was for them, it's difficult for teams these days to win ties if they don't score an away goal, so with them failing to score last night, the tie is on a knife edge for them, so I can't see them being too adventurous.
I just hope Rodgers picks the right team next week, and we can hopefully put this tie beyond them.

27 Jul 2017 21:08:13
Might as well concede the away match now then, think there might be a majority of Rosenberg supporters there, in other words the bit about the green brigade is rubbish.

27 Jul 2017 21:37:10
Green Brigade are powerful good at drowning out the moans and groans that come from the Celtic home fans and doesn't support our players in any way.

27 Jul 2017 21:42:30
JFP, was there last night and the atmosphere was pretty dire. GB were undoubtedly missed . The boys at the top of section 111 tried their best but wasn't near the same, the performance by the team never helped to be honest. Another thing that was evident last night was the reappearance of the daytrippers the ones that only seem to appear for Euro games. It's one of my pet hates about CL nights when you get the tourists descending on you, the ones that get a 3 match package and are never seen again till the next years campaign. It's like we turn into some kind of tourist attraction on those nights, they even act like tourists wandering around lost with their newly bought half and half Celtic Barcelona scarf on trying to find where they're meant to be sitting.

27 Jul 2017 22:17:10
Chris, the performance last night had nothing to do with the supporters, the players just had an off night.
There were injuries, and the players didn't adapt to the system that the manager put in place because of those injuries, that is all there is to it.
You'll be telling us next that Dembele, Griffiths, Boyata, and Sviatchenko, are all injured because the crowd didn't shout loud enough.
If only it was as simple as that.

27 Jul 2017 23:39:35
It's a pity the green brigade weren't around in Ronnie's time, Ronnie's teams might have done better being driven on and inspired by the green brigade, if only they had been there.

27 Jul 2017 23:41:22
Stevie, get a grip! Think u need propanolol mate.

28 Jul 2017 11:59:59
If we take the point on, that the GB instil magical powers into the team, which they don't, although the support they provide is brilliant, then, would it not follow that the GB do not put themselves at odds with UEFA rules that leads to a ban?

We all might think UEFA are a shower of corrupt cants, and they probably are, but right now, they run a club we want to join. They have rules, crazy rules we may argue, but rules.

The GB refuse to abide, citing the attack on freedom of expression. Fair point, they do. The bottom line is, we either play to their rules or eff off. How many fines gave we had now? How many more will we have? What will the sanctions be? Is it worth it? The simple question is, why should the political, non football beliefs of any group of fans, ed told me there is nowhere near 3,000, be able to steer the club on a course of conflict for non footballing issues? Is that a democratic, fair thing. It seems to me there's an attitude if we are all equal, but some of us more so.

Why should well under 3,000 members of the Celtic support hold sway on how we are viewed?

We do need to GB to be the catalyst and beating heart of the atmosphere. They are second to none at that. This importance brings responsibility. Be effed off by all means, but, if you are missed so much, and you play such a vital role as you and others believe, then surely your duty bound to ensure you are there. That any action happens away from the game and don't give UEFA the ammo to harm us.

Why would any supporter of our club want to do something they knew would damage the club we all love?

That's my problem with this.

If there are any GB members on here who could try to rationalise that for me, I would be really interested to listen to your point of view.

We have enough enemies who surround us and wish us nothing but ill tidings. Feck them all. We need the GB, but we also need them to realise the potential consequences of any action taken that is politically motivated.

Or does Celtic bear the cost of an unjust world?

I don't think it should.

28 Jul 2017 13:09:59
Hit a nerve there CB? . Are you one of those daytrippers that turn up for the big CL nights worshipping Messi and co.

{Ed007's Note - Remember Iniesta being applauded off, Stevie? That was far worse than any GB banner or song.}

28 Jul 2017 14:01:26
Remember that ed, very cringey. It's the same ones that lap up the patronising comments made by Maldini, Ibrahimovic etc about the atmosphere at Celtic Park.

{Ed007's Note - You didn't get the memo either then? We're supposed to be grateful to be allowed into the CL and overawed that these players will lower themselves to play against us. You notice none of them will come and play for us for £20k a week though. Fuds.}

27 Jul 2017 16:13:17
What did everyone think of the atmosphere last night, Pretty dire without the GB. Agree or disagree with the banner or whatever can't deny they were a huge miss last night. Constant singing can drive the team on and at times squeeze an extra 5% out the players, it was badly needed last night. At times it felt like a pre season friendly. Celtic/ GB sort this mess out the only ones losing out are yourselves and the players who thrive on your backing.

{Ed007's Note - I think last night finally confirmed that all the people who say we don't need the GB to create an atmosphere because other fans will do it are talking complete bollocks. They even forgot to do the 67th minute thing!}

27 Jul 2017 16:29:59
Without a doubt Ed. Doesn't matter what end of the Stadium you sit in you almost rely on these guys to start the singing and it soon makes it's way around the stadium. Last night was poor nowhere near what it should be for a CL game. Between this and the striker situation Rosenborg must be kicking themselves for not taking their chances. I feel we will be a different beast next week with players playing where they should be.

{Ed007's Note - Fingers crossed mate.}

27 Jul 2017 16:43:01
Quite a few folk did do the 67th minute Ed but the atmosphere was very flat overall, which wasn't exactly helped by the performance either.

{Ed007's Note - Fair enough, Kev I didn't see it and was disappointed because I was hoping it would continue for years to come.}

27 Jul 2017 16:52:26
The GB would not have got Celtic a victory last night, but a striker might have!

27 Jul 2017 17:42:01
I think the 67th minute will continue for a good few years. Last night the atmosphere was flat partly to do with the ban on GB and partly to do with the performance. We tried to get the songs going but the team didn't perform last night.

27 Jul 2017 18:27:32
Good point ghod07 had we scored the place would have reacted.

27 Jul 2017 19:55:54
67 min thing was done but atmosphere was crap.

27 Jul 2017 13:15:58
I'm scratching my head at the following

Boyata injured

Sviatchenko injured looking like being sold

Ajer young and untested

Tierney awesome but no cover now izzy is gone

Lustig solid but no cover as gamboa is injured

Simunovic solid but injury prone and we're ****ed now if he gets injured

Armstrong still not signed up

Forrest unconvincing again in a big game

Dembele injured

Griffiths injured

This is probably the most important few weeks of our season and we are in a bit of a mess.

I still think we will get through against rosenborg but why oh why have we not got some players in already to bolster the squad.

27 Jul 2017 13:30:42
Every point valid.

27 Jul 2017 14:09:17
Good post Kerzo. It is definitely an unlucky coincidence that we have so many players injured at the same time.

It is not a good situation to be in to be so threadbare at either end of the pitch. The lack of cover you have highlighted in these positions (Tierney, Lustig, Dembele, Griffiths) causes me a bit more anxiety. Forrest I have defended to the hilt in the past, but I am becoming a bit disillusioned with his performances. For me, Armstrong seems like he has one foot on the plane. I am still trying to remain calm as these things can turn around very quickly.

27 Jul 2017 14:13:50
Spot on with every point. The squad is now really depleted for one reason or another and the amount of injuries at the start of a season is a big concern.
After last seasons super-human efforts and the internationals in June, have possibly taken their toll on some of the players after such a short pre-season?

27 Jul 2017 14:27:39
For such a switched on board and manager to be in this position is puzzling.

Ask any supporter and we would have said we needed a striker, a CB and full back cover, as well as the two young guys already here.

What do we know?

27 Jul 2017 21:23:48
Too many people putting EPL squad standards to an SPl team who have only a small fraction of an EPL team's budget . Like it or not Celtic do well to have good quality player for each position . In good times we may have another 4/ 5 good squad players but in times of injuries and suspensions we will probably have to play youngsters that may have to be pushed in quicker than manager likes .
We can't spend £8 m and £30k per week for 3rd choice striker.

27 Jul 2017 12:36:41
Firstly - we need to stop talk about Roberts coming back or missing we need to move on.

Secondly - last night was disappointing but we are still in it, under Delia would have lost that game.

Thirdly - we did try for a striker in Solanke but he chose Liverpool, Brendan isn't going to sign anyone just for the craic, he wants the right player and i fully agree with that approach!

Now roll on Norway on Wednesday, will be a nervy one but I expect us to go through in a score draw.

28 Jul 2017 16:33:11
Sam Larsson heerenveen right or left wing cracking player.

27 Jul 2017 12:12:38
If we crash out next week, are we completely out of Europe aka sevco, or do we have a play off for the diddy cup?

27 Jul 2017 12:28:53
diddy cup.

27 Jul 2017 12:32:44
Magicpole: if we go out next week we will get slaughtered by the Hun press and the Orcs, BR will be hung out to dry and quotes like, oh the same thing happened at
Liverpool all that pish.

27 Jul 2017 12:42:56
My brother is adamant we are out of the diddy cup too.

27 Jul 2017 12:53:47
Think we go into europa cup.

27 Jul 2017 13:04:19
Europa cup play off. If we get through next week and lose the CL play off we go into the Europa group stage.

27 Jul 2017 13:07:56
We go into Europa league qualifier and the Huns slaughtering any one is a joke in it's self, so I wouldn't worry about it, progress anyone.

27 Jul 2017 11:34:37
Not much you say about last night, Disappointing but we did not lose a goal and the game.
I would have liked to have seen Patrick Roberts brought in before the game he could have opened that defence.
I also had the thought that Louis Moult would offer a different option against Linfield and Rosenberg, we could offer Cifti as part of any deal would cost the earth and would be happy with the wages. Very useful player to cover injuries and play the games after the CL if we get to the group stages
Ajer had a very good game but I would still like to see Caulker for his experience, Like all young players Ajer will lose form and he could alsoneeds to balk up which will take time.
Lastly if Armstrong does not sign Mcginn would be a good signing Celtic family, Younger and may be a better player in the future.

27 Jul 2017 11:51:35
Louis Moult? Seriously? If that the level of player you think we need might as well give up now.

27 Jul 2017 12:11:14
Is jack aitchison fit? If he is i'd start him on Saturday and if he does well he starts in Norway next week too. Assuming LG doesn't make it or isn't fit enough to start.

27 Jul 2017 13:25:28
Young jack hasn't started a league game am sorry but not for me we need a bit of experience next wed on bench no probs.

27 Jul 2017 13:26:24
Why didn't aitchinson not play last night?

27 Jul 2017 13:46:45
See this is the thing annoying me from last night NADIR CIFTCI

Now I know he ain't a part of the plans which is fair enough but we are just out of pre season and he is picking up a WAGE soo all pre season he SHOULD BE FULLY FIT ready to go IMO

Now, before anyone starts he is clearly a better option than Rogic as a NINE and clearly young Jack Aitchinson it was too big an ask at this stage

If Ciftci even was thrown on it would have left the opposition with a more natural headache

It does my head in all these squad players or players not fancied are almost allowed to pick up a free wage

Keep them FIT just in case needs must (y)

{Ed007's Note - Ciftci wasn't included in the squad.}

27 Jul 2017 14:45:30
If you had listened to BR last night, The reason he was not considering a third choice striker was that he was having troble keeping 2 stikers happy. Someone like Moult may not be of the quality of Dembele or Griffiths but he could do a good job against scottish opposition and be available if we found ourselves in this position again. That was the point I was making in my post.

27 Jul 2017 14:28:26
Aw am with you Ed, you mean the 23 named pool? that just irks me more mate that we are light up front

Big big fan of TR but why try him as a nine on an important night like last night when you not tried that before why no line them up like that again Lyon and try it with less at stake? (y)

{Ed007's Note - Yeah, Ciftci wasn't named in the CL squad. I knew Rogic was going to struggle playing up front and have no idea why Rodgers went with it. For me that was a really poor decision by him.}

28 Jul 2017 16:23:38
i did speak to you about rodgers when he joined ed about his penchant for baffling team selections.

27 Jul 2017 09:29:47
Ok we were disjointed last night but let's not panick still another clean sheet.

I thought Ajer came into the game and when he grew in confidence it made a difference for the team. The boy could be a big player for us after he gets games under his belt.

We need a target man, how many crosses did we put into that box last night with out a player who can head the ball? And why was every cross to the back post? Really felt some movement in the box and runs to the near post could have made a difference.

Ntcham will be special for us when at full speed, he always made space and wanted the ball but was just trying to force the forward pass which led to a lot of losses possession.

Forrests first touch was horrendous and lacked any imagination, he was closed down on the outside all night and ran out of ideas Hayes needs to start the next leg!

Lastly we found out Rogic isn't an option up front, when back in his natural position we looked better he is a very special player. Iv seen a lot of posts about signing a new Lubo I think he's the man for the number 10 for years to come!

27 Jul 2017 10:24:09
they played defensively well, but we didn't have anyone in the box giving them someone to turn their attention to. someone to pull them out of position and leave gaps for our midfielders to score as they usually do.

and thank heavens their attack was woeful.

on another night we could be 3-0 down.

again we may end up defeating ourselves - very short sighted in recruitment. I hope leigh screws the nut now - I am sure the words last chance have been whispered in his ear.

27 Jul 2017 11:01:28
Yeah we're short handed up top just now, I'd rather have an academy player as our 3rd CF but rodgers must no fancy JA just yet. I'm not a fan of loaning players but if we can't recruit a CF with potential then I'd like to see us fill the position with a target man for the year but would like our academy players to be given the opertunity.

27 Jul 2017 06:19:49
Get out of jail card has been used That mob could have been 3 up before we had a shot on target absolute rubbish Brendan sort it and quick.

27 Jul 2017 08:08:02
This is only half time, come out roaring in the second half, put Rogic in his proper position and play a striker as a striker,

27 Jul 2017 08:29:49
Even playing the young bhoy JA as the focal point from which we can play from but am sure BR will be thinking we need a long term replacement in up top and CH fingers xd he does and we get them in.

27 Jul 2017 08:32:49
Totally appalling performance. And nobody was more appalling than Forrest once again.

27 Jul 2017 08:56:44
Rogic certainly beeds to be in his natural position, facing the opponents goal with the ball at his feet. Aitchison hasn't been selected so far under BR so would be surprised to see him get the nod.

27 Jul 2017 09:10:38
We can't buy someone surely the staff would be known about this injury to MD prior and thought we need someone in I know they don't rate ciftci but surely with him on the books they would've registered him for CL just in case this came up especially not bringing anyone in. I noticed JH in the striker section of the CL squad he is no striker thoughts please?

27 Jul 2017 09:24:47
dunno why he didn't start with sinclair up front and hayes on the left. from what i heard it was 433?. never been as fluid with that as 4231 which couldve been done last night. Shouldve planned for this last week, cifti isn't in his plans fair enough but he is a natural striker.

27 Jul 2017 09:31:22
Magic p. worse than Sinclair who contributed nothing to the game at all same as Armstrong rogic and apart from 5-10 mins ntcham . mgregor was missed last night. and the only reason I can see for ntcham playing ahead of him is he cost 3.5mill or he was in a big epl reserve team . jim Tim did rogic have a role drastically different than normal . for me it showed up his big weakness. His mobility and lack of pace . if we go through which isn't as big an ask as last night suggests I'd tell Armstrong sign or find a new club. and buy a playmaker who is better than him or one who can push rogic for his position as that's where we are lacking . we know moussa is going at some point so we need to get at least one more striker . positive young ajer looks as if he could develop nicely as a centre back.

27 Jul 2017 09:54:29
McGregor played as a striker and scored a lot of goals when he was on loan down sarf, didn't he?

27 Jul 2017 09:56:11
The difference is Sinclair delivers, Forrest never does. He us always a disappointment. His final baw, his woeful shooting. Sinclair was terrible too, but that's a one off type of thing, Forrest has been the guy with no final baw since he was 17.

Forrest can beat a player, beat another one the feck it up. His job is to deliver.

If you ordered home delivery from Asda and the guy exited the yard perfectly, weaving in and out of parked vans. Drive all the way towards you, pulling off a three point turn on a sixpence when faced with a fallen tree, then dropped your messages off two streets away, would you be ok with that and praise the nippy driving up until then?

That's Forrest.

27 Jul 2017 10:04:00
If MD is going, we need two strikers. Last night was completely toothless. Aitchison should have played, realise it's not panic stations yet but we should have been able to dispatch that lot last night.

27 Jul 2017 10:26:21
ring ring, ring ring.

hello pep its Brendan

okay how much for Roberts.

cheques in the post, cars at his house.

Any other defenders or strikers need blooded?

bye bye.

27 Jul 2017 11:12:26
I know what your saying and i wouldn't be bothered if he left magic p . but it seems like he has become the scapegoat when imo not deserved . didn't forrest have only one or two assists behind Sinclair and Roberts last year? . (didn't think Sinclair shone in europe last season as well) . aindoh . didn't he play a rogic type position with them . i think it was 13 goals?

27 Jul 2017 11:19:30
DRB, I'd say Rogic's role was different, yeah. He's clearly much more able to have an affect on the game from a slightly deeper position, with options ahead of him. Once Sinclair moved central and Rogic deeper, he was at least able to start getting shots away. They were poor shots aye, but had he been able to do that over 90 mins he could well have scored, or played some nice through balls for Sinclair, who, does have the power to keep running in behind. All it highlighted was Rogic's lack of power and of course, he can't play as a striker. Nothing against the lad, he's just not a striker. He's much better suited orchestrating things from a deeper position and hopefully a lesson learned.

27 Jul 2017 14:21:21
hes conned more managers than anyone in the game, i don't think i've ever seen him beat a man yet or even hit the byeline in and get a cross in, he makes owen archdeacon look like messi.

28 Jul 2017 16:26:03
forrest i was talking about.