Celtic Banter Archive February 27 2016

27 Feb 2016 13:43:49
RD reminds me of a hamster in its wee wheel. Scampering like Fauk and getting canting nowhere fast.

It's like a really shitey film that you are forced to watch. I think we looked a mile off mediocre.

As long as Bonus Ball gets his £500k brown envelope for winning the worst leauge in Europe, then I will be happy.

Chief execs line him really make you feel they have ambition.

27 Feb 2016 16:02:27
It's quite entertaining watching a hamster nailing it in a wheel.

28 Feb 2016 03:03:20
I had a hamster called sonic.
Great boi
Besta bois
Hawns like shovvels
Knee ys lik hinges
El rapido on El wheelio
Best a bhoys.
They best
Psml.

28 Feb 2016 23:13:46
It's great when we haven't got Sevco, we have "fans" who make fun and deride our manager and players .
To be a magican and a comedian, is surely a v talented person, we are blessed.

27 Feb 2016 12:35:10
Was waiting until I calmed down and studied the sending off tackle before posting.

Upon studying the incident again with a calm head I have to say that I disagree with Deila as I thought it was an excellent tackle from Boyata. When you watch you can see that Boyata comes in from the side, does not touch the attacker before winning the ball cleanly.

That is twice in the last few weeks that Thompson has ruined a game we were involved in by sending off one of our players. I know the Hibs fans hate him because of his Hearts bias and I am starting to come round to their way of thinking.

27 Feb 2016 12:58:13
Surprised he said that too Rab. Thought it was a great challenge myself. Just another drop in the ocean of cases that say big calls require video refs.

#DeilaOut.

27 Feb 2016 16:42:01
If you look back over a decade or so you will find he has made many controversial and incorrect decisions - usually against Celtic.
It's the deliberate enthusiasm he shows when ordering our players off that sickens me and I always anticipate problems when he 'officiates'

27 Feb 2016 09:34:06
As a supporter for many years like most on the forum it is now getting to a stage where I am genuinely concerned as to how far our standards have dropped since the glory days of MON etc. I know times and finances have changed and those days are long gone, probably never to return in my lifetime but surely we have to expect better. The standard of player, organisation, motivation, tactics, will to win? Where the hell has it gone? I'm absolutely not a RD hater, far from from it but can you really convince yourself that this management team will, under the so called plan, deliver a standard of team anywhere near the good times. We are so far away from being a good team it's frightening. Wholesale changes in the dugout NOW, let RD move on with some dignity, he seems a decent guy who grabbed an opportunity, we all would, but he just doesn't have it unfortunately.

27 Feb 2016 09:48:12
My god talk about changing your tune, I'm glad you can now see what the rest of us did along time ago .

27 Feb 2016 09:53:47
Aye it's only took him the best part of 18 months to open his eyes! The man never will and never has been up to the job of being Celtic manager!

27 Feb 2016 10:16:53
His account must have been hacked.

27 Feb 2016 10:56:29
You can't blame a man for changing his mind, I think O Bs comments are courageous and to be applauded.

27 Feb 2016 11:04:23
Was another 'interesting' team selection from our trainee manager last night, i hope he realises now you either play Allan or Commons, you don't play both together, i would have played Allan, i would also have played Christie instead of Johansen, and Roberts instead of GMS.

27 Feb 2016 11:35:04
OB, I think a lot of us have run out of patience and are genuinely worried at the serious decline in our form, quality and status.
RD - as the manager - has to take any blame/ responsibility, however guys like Brown, Johansen, Lustig, Commons and even Gordon must take a long look in the mirror and accept they [along with a few more], have been culpable in all of this.
The drastic loss of form of most of our experienced players and the lack of fight, heart and even basic ability has all contributed.
There are still some who might look for excuses, ifs and buts; however if you look at the decline, even from last season, it is pretty obvious we have serious problems at Celtic Park.

27 Feb 2016 11:47:45
Pmsl laughing Ryan that was funny (y)

27 Feb 2016 11:58:41
The game last night to me only showed that we need one maybe two wingers apart from that we looked so comfortable at 11 men I honestly can't see how any one can blame RD for last nights draw we had the chances finish it.

{Ed007's Note - What I noticed last night was that KT missed having Armstrong on that left hand side with him. Although he's not offered much going forward this season Armstrong, who I think has played more as a LM than a LW, he has the engine to cover for KT when he goes up field. With Allan and KT over there I thought we looked very lightweight at times. Hamilton outmuscled us in areas last night with their extremely physical approach and with hindsight I think Izaguirre would have been better in there at LB with Allan's starting.}

27 Feb 2016 12:12:16
Grout 64 don't make me laugh mate. Chris should be applauded for changing his mind. People have been telling Chris for over a year that Ronnie isn't the man for the job. I don't think anyone hates Ronnie I certainly don't but the man is out his depth. And the club is in rapid decline. Not all ronnies fault I know but he is a big part of the decline. Now Chris has finally opened his eyes he has to be applauded. Funny he didn't applaud anyone for making the exact same points over the past 18 months. Chris can you now call yourself a non supporter. Are we still lucky to have such an exciting forward thinking manager. Or is it ok for you to have a nagative opinion. Also I see Dn has changed his mind to. I never thought I'd see that day. Our club is in such a mess just now. If you continue to sign spl or championship players then you will eventually fall to that standard.

27 Feb 2016 12:37:22
Maybe its a conspiracy Chris lol. But seriously any manager who can't get the best out of his most experienced/ best players has no chance.
Lustig Brown Gordon Johansson etc haven't played well for months.

27 Feb 2016 18:20:21
I have my moments Jamie 😃.

27 Feb 2016 18:52:43
I am amazed Old Bhoy has written what he has but fair play to him for coming out, if you know what I mean. LoL I have never thought Ronnie was Upto it however the players including Brown are not giving anything for the manager. Maybe they are trying to put pressure on the club to get rid of him but they are as much to blame as Tonnie. They have been playing this system for 19 months. They know what is required and some heart and fight need to be applied. Brown has turned into a passenger. He was never the most gifted but he had heart. Where has that gone. The players have let the manager and the fans down. I agree with you all. We are in trouble.

28 Feb 2016 03:40:28
Ed. Izzy can be a little warrior at best in the spl. I was an izzyite, not so much now.
Think ajer could bully a back four and sky it into their stand. gulp
Can't bring myself to say it.
Wtf if he had been 22 he would of been pand.
I am the only guy that can't see it?
F sake.
I don't want a reply
I'd honestly prefer to be that c***.
We all had a kick about with decent technical players.
Nesbitt would skin him alive . fact.

27 Feb 2016 09:31:40
Did Allan deserve a start? I know people have been calling for him for a while, but is that because he is better than the other options or simply because he has barely featured?

27 Feb 2016 10:05:31
I just don't see what a lot of people see in allan for me henderson whos on loan at hibs is every bit as good and about 5 years younger and henderson is probably still short to command a game in our midfield but he has time cause at allans age you'd expect him to be a regular by now cause he's not a kid anymore.

27 Feb 2016 11:42:00
I am same. Can't see the fuss.
Would have rather kept henderson who even at a younger age I would say is more experienced than allan tae.

27 Feb 2016 13:56:54
I never understood the signing of Allan in the first place! Every time he's come I for us has done nothing to change my mind! He gives the ball away far too much and tries ridiculous passes! He had a decent season in the championship but that does not qualify you for a move Celtic!

27 Feb 2016 20:00:14
for me i have seen a few passes he has made that makes me think he has the talent to be a good number 10 he has vision for a pass and done a lovely reverse pass through hamilton players yesterday that if xavi or iniesta done it people would have creamed their panties but i think if he plays it should be in the middle where someone like him can play a killer through ball instead of going for the glory and trying to shoot from distance i. e commons.

27 Feb 2016 07:30:51
I'd like to know why on a weekly basis we continue to play players out of position? Yet again we're playing what is supposed to be a creative midfielder on the left wing. The fans are screaming for the likes of Allan etc to get a start and when he does he's playing out of position. With the size of squad we have we should have players for every position on the park. Lately it's been Armstrong on the left, another central midfielder, last night Scott Allan. I'm not saying this is why we never got the 3 points last night but for crying out loud play these guys in they're natural position and surely you'll get the best out of them. Maybe just maybe dropping johansen and playing the likes of Allan, Christie, Armstrong etc in his place might help. Johansens not kicked a ball all season yet more often than not is a first choice pick. Don't understand it!

27 Feb 2016 19:04:31
Gaz, we all agree with that but the problem is we don't have too many players who can play those positions as their natural position. We have about 8 number 10's! We have wasted millions buying in players for the same position who are no better or like Allen, worse than what we already have!

27 Feb 2016 00:06:32
Just wanted to add my bit here

I think RD'S team selection was spot on tonight on that surface. I was critical of his starting eleven on Saturday

People on this board have been demanding Bailly and Allan well tonight you got them! and nothing to rave over IMO

I accept we have been dire by and large lately but am also coming to the conclusion we are possibly defending to high up the pitch

having supported Celtic thirty year now I have never known a period where we have been subject to as many similar red cards that we are now to the extent there is that/ a pattern emerging

Before I am accused of being a RD "lover" we have (am not btw)

1) Recently signed a young highly thought of NORWEGIAN

2) As Ed pointed out we have recently appointed TWO NORWEGIAN physios!

Am wise enough to know assurances would have been sought over RD's position/ tenure Furthermore, I don't see us sacking a manager who wins the league and I don't see anyone ELSE! winning the league

For me the problem with this system is now clear IMO for it you need you need ONE deep lying CDM A guy not venturing above the half way line he would cover MOST of these "slip ups" we endure

Out of ALL the midfielders we have we don't have ONE who can play that although we have just signed one in Ajer by all accounts! (y)

27 Feb 2016 00:43:26
I see your point mate , but for me our biggest problem is we have no creativity. No doubt we are fragile at back but you look at the whole league and without doubt we still have the best defence . That's not saying out defence is good, but it's better than anything we face . Creativity is our biggest downfall . No pace going forward either .

{Ed007's Note - We've scored 70 goals in 27 games, Bobby and how many games have we sat and rued missed chances in? There's a lack of confidence running throughout the team and the fans must accept some responsibilty for that.
Hearing a team mate being booed by his own so called fans can't be good for morale and the negativity has been going on all season between the fans and the media.}

27 Feb 2016 01:00:21
If you can identify the problem why can't RD. I am afraid the new Norwegian centre half is not going to be good enough. I don't think there are any assurances for RD being there next year. His record this season is abysmal and whether people like it or not the responsibility must lie with him.

{Ed007's Note - I know. I'm gutted that we'll win the league. I just wish Tommy Burns had abysmal seasons like this.}

27 Feb 2016 01:51:23
I will be delighted if we win the league. Like I said before RD has turned a one horse race into a likely photo finish. If RD had the competition Tommy was up against he would have been sacked months ago.

27 Feb 2016 01:45:59
Ed I think your off the mark with trying to put any of Celtics bad performances on the fans negativity towards a team that gets paid what 99 percent of us could only dream of, Celtic is rotten from the in side and this same board and chairman has the cheek to put sayings from the great jock stein on shirts and stadium banners, they want to try to live by a few themselves , this negativity around are club has been building for many many years, we can go down many corridors with who to blame but I think I will start at the top, DD is the second richest person in Britain and is sitting at the helm of a giant but will not invest WHY?

{Ed007's Note - So you don't think any the negativity affects the players? Day after day of getting pelters from the media and from people on social media and in the stands who are too thick to understand football.
The fans are quick enough to play The Best Fans In The World card and bang on about how a full bouncing stadium can push the team on so why not take responsibility for the opposite happening? I'm sure none of the players heard the twats in our support boo their own player.
Even under the Kellys and Whites the fans backed the team, now there's far too many people following CFC who think we went straight from winning the European Cup to the MON era, they're completely clueless and embarrassing the decent members of the support and the Club.
I think you need to revise whichever rich list you're looking, Gerald Grosvenor is the second richest person in Britain, DD isn't even in the top 40 - probably because A) He's Irish and B) He doesn't live in Britain.}

27 Feb 2016 10:58:37
ED, I remember when I first used to go and watch Celtic the players got just as much stick as they do now and that was when the Lisbon lions were playing.
I remember my dad taking me to one of my first matches around 1970, we beat Patrick Thistle 8-1, but I can always remember the criticism the players got if there was a misplaced pass or something.
The thing is though that they were strong enough to take criticism, and it wasn't as deserved then. These current players aren't experiencing anything that players have always endured, in fact in many ways they get off lightly.
If they were playing in front of Celtic crowds from years ago, they would be left in no doubt that many of them are not fit to wear the jersey.

{Ed007's Note - I've never in my life heard of any the Lions being booed by their own fans or calls for the manager to be sacked because we only won 1-0.
You can make up all the excuses you want about it but the behaviour of a lot of CFC fans is disgusting. As I said, most of them are totally clueless about football and think CFC started when MON came in. They should form their own opinion instead of getting it out of the Daily Record.
There's a world of difference between criticism and what we're witnessing this season which is the systematic abuse of the manager and players. Best Fans in the World? They're not even the best fans at Celtic. They're a disgrace and have set the bar so high this season that any manager who comes in will face the same intense scrutiny.
Failure to qualify for the CL - sack him, failure to win a game - sack him, a player misplaces a pass - drop him. Unless the next manager can build a young team with experience ( I know, I know, but someone said that to me!), pick the perfect team every week with everyone's favourite player playing and win 5-0 or there will be calls for him to be sacked. Oh and play two strikers to give Kris Commons options on who not to pass to.
Remember the uproar because the manager only watched two internationals games in different countries and visited his teenage daughters during an international break?
From now on winning the league won't be good enough for the CFC manager, and the idiots have only themselves to blame for what's coming. They should have stuck to playing FIFA on their consoles rather than get involved in watching real football.
I can recall from 2 years ago when the only trophy we won was the league and everyone was delighted.}

27 Feb 2016 12:14:57
The board are the ones who aren't investing in the team, not the fans, it's the board who appointed the manager not the fans, it's the manager who decides the tactics not the fans, it's the manager who picks the team, not the fans, it's the managers job to motivate the team, not the fans, it's the players who are on the pitch, not the fans, it's the players who are making the mistakes on the park, not the fans, and it's the players who are happily picking up a huge salary, not the fans.
Fans have always let their feelings be known if payers aren't performing, it's always been the same, if players can't handle, it then they shouldn't be at a club like ours.
These players will take the money they've earned here and go and live a nice life somewhere. they won't care in the future how Celtic are doing, we are only a stepping stone to their future happiness.
I'm not going to knock fans who put their life and soul into following Celtic, who happen to see through a lot of these mercenaries, and whose only influence is to let these underperforming players know what they think.

{Ed007's Note - 'I'm not going to knock fans who put their life and soul into following Celtic' - I noticed you said following and not supporting, a wise choice of words, Gerry.}

27 Feb 2016 13:53:22
People are entitled to their opinion and you are entitled to yours that your a better fan.

Doesn't mean fauk all though. It's just how you see the world. To call fans disgusting for calling out players who are getting paid thousands a week and are shi te is spot in in my book.

They are imposters and happy clapping get behind the team is nauseating when there is so much deadwood at Celtic.

But that's just my opinion and that means fauk all either.

{Ed007's Note - If you think it's fine to boo you're own player how can you call yourself a supporter? We've got absolute clownshoes in our support who have applauded opposition players off the park ffs, talk about cringey! And yet they can't support their own players, like I said they should stick to FIFA where they can pick the team and play the perfect game they way they want.
A huge number of our supporters wouldn't look out of place with a red, white and blue rag round their necks they way they portray this sense of entitlement that we should be sweeping all before us at home and abroad. That's never going to happen with the people we have running the club.}

27 Feb 2016 14:18:41
Watch yourself ED, I said something similar and "they" attacked in their droves.

{Ed007's Note - The moaning and whining starts with the line-up and just continues for the next 90 mins. Every slight mistake is blown out of proportion and twisted in some way to attack the manager, how can LG missing a penalty last night be RD's fault? The thing is if he had scored that and we won they'd still have moaned where as under previous Celtic minded managers it would have been seen as a hard fought win with 10 men against a team more interested in kicking us off the park than playing.
It stinks of petty double standards and as I've said they have set the bar so high for any future manager that the job could well become a poisoned chalice. What top manager would want to come and manage a team where winning the league twice and a cup, maybe two cups come May, isn't good enough? A club where, according to the fans, you are supposed to produce a team of youth players in 18 months capable of getting to the Last 16 of the CL and all the while winning every domestic game and trophy? You're getting into the realms of Chelsea and Real Madrid when you're sacking manager's who have won the league. And we all know they're far too professionally ran and structured like modern models of football clubs for CFC fans to accept. Half of them still struggle to understand other people make decisions about signings! They probably think RD sits there with his calculator working out how much wages he can pay a player, just like they do in FIFA or Football Manager.}

27 Feb 2016 16:27:59
ED, When 3 years ago we were beating Barcelona and now we are turning in pathetic performances against Hamilton, is it any wonder fans aren't happy,
You don't seem to set your standards very high sticking up for this rubbish.
Whatever decisions have been taken by the board, whatever team selections the manager has made, whatever mistakes have been made by the player, it's not the supporters who are responsible for these.
You seem to be saying that fans are too stupid to understand what is going on at the club, I think the fans know all too well what is happening and don't like what they see, they can see through people who are using the club to line their own pockets, and justify it by trying to hoodwink fans that we are a small club who can only survive by being stripped of our best players year after year.
I think the fans have got it spot on, I think it's the hierarchy at the club who are stupid in thinking they can keep pulling the wool over peoples eyes.
I'm surprised that you seem to have been taken in by them ED.

{Ed007's Note - 3 years ago we were also put out the League Cup by St Mirren, 2 years ago we got pumped 6-1 by Barca and put out the cups by Morton and Aberdeen. We done a Morton on Barca, do you think Morton fans expect to beat every team in Scotland because they beat CFC 2 years ago? I know a Morton fan, I'll ask him tomorrow if they're going to judge the entire future of their club on one freak result, can you not see how ridiculous that sounds bringing up a result from 3 years ago to justify the abuse the players and manager get?
Only last year we drew with Inter Milan and this year we drew with Ajax two teams with far better European pedigree and history than us and two results that would have been applauded if it had been any other manager or in the CL- so what's your point? BTW, we lost to Ajax in Amsterdam in NL's final season too.
Winning the league enough for the previous manager, why has that now changed? And before you say he had CL football, how long did it take him to get it? Why was the previous manager's early disasters in Europe not enough to get him sacked? Why is it acceptable to get beat 6-1 by Barca but winning the league isn't enough, are we celebrating failure now? And that's not to mention the difference in the level of investment in the team from three years ago until now and the football in NL's final season was just as bad as what we're watching just now but the fans stuck by them and cheered them on. Should NL have been sacked for losing 6-1 to Barca
I've said the for years the problems at the club stem from higher up than the manager so I've not been taken in by anything, you're accusing me of being gullible for backing the manager and the team as they go for their second double in two years, aye OK then, very good.}

27 Feb 2016 15:20:23
From my OP Ed, That is exactly what went through my head entirely that we would be entering the realms of Real Madrid sacking a manager who won the league

Am glad this is so far down now so I probably dodge the panty wetter's but two things stuck out for me last night

1) He was already anticipating the CG surface being the first question and was smiling in anticipation of it

2) The penalty response he took it very well must admit me I "flip - flopped" on it in live chat

Even now its one of those ones that splits opinions silly a bit to highlight l know but both of the above were handled very well IMO previous management would have done there dinger mate right or wrong he took it and handled very well (y)

{Ed007's Note - I still disagree with him regarding the penalty, Boyata made contact with the ball first and for me that's enough. He went for the ball and he got it and I don't think it was a goal scoring opportunity either between both players contact the ball was too far in front of the Accies player.}

27 Feb 2016 17:12:50
I agree with you my first gut said it was to far out

Think 003 said during chat he couldn't make up his mind on it having seen it a few times

My view is it is one of they ones you can make a strong case for either side of it mate

Anyway whoever came up with the live chat on here thumbs up I hope it's catching on elsewhere too (y)

You be quiet the night as Aberdeen dropped points so the moaners need something else now lol.

{Ed007's Note - The live chats are going well on the busier sites. I enjoy them because it's not too serious and you can have a laugh and joke. I see our next manager-elect had another cracking result with Hibs in the junior league as well.}

27 Feb 2016 17:50:03
ED, The football we're playing is dire to watch, it's nothing to do with whether we're in the Champions league or not, that match last night was a league match at Hamilton.
Can you honestly say that a lot of these performances are good enough? . If they were just happening occasionally then fair enough, but we are playing like this nearly every week. Whether the football under Lennon was good, bad, or indifferent, doesn't make these performances acceptable, in fact it makes it worse, because if we were so bad under the previous manager, then a half decent manager would surely improve the quality a bit.
I think year on year the quality of our league is falling, we are falling with it, that's how you can argue that Ronny is winning the same trophies as Lennon, but the quality of football is far worse. In my view this doesn't need to be the case, the powers that be are deliberately weakening the team and using the argument that as we are still winning trophies that it's justified.
what shows this policy up though, is when we play anybody half decent, i. e. in Europe, you can see how far we are falling. This is what fans see, they're not all stupid.

{Ed007's Note - I'm not saying the football's the best but at the end of the day we are still top of the league. We would have comfortably won last night if the referee hadn't wrongly sent off Boyata, we still would have if LG had scored his second penalty. It certainly wasn't the best performance last night but as I said elsewhere, if it was under NL it would be portrayed as a hard fought game that we should have won but we were wrongly down to 10 men and all Accies wanted to do was kick us off the park. Everything under RD is blown well out of proportion and people are needing to relax and start backing the team for the rest of the season, I don't think that's too much to ask, do you?}

27 Feb 2016 20:18:49
Sorry ED, just got back.

I totally agree. Allan must start. Baily must start. Commons must start. RD starts them. NO NO NO. Allan cannot start with Commons. Allan is not a winger. Etc etc. Before a ball has even been kicked. I've tried to explain that Allan standing left of the three behind (whether he is standing on the touchline or not) does not mean he's playing on the wing. We get our width from our fullbacks - the left and right are expected to cut inside, which is why they are played on their "wrong side". I'm not saying Allan should have played there (or anywhere) but it really is any excuse to attack him now and it's quite sickening.

I was at the game and I said it last night when back, if LG scores we win- and in my opinion its a hard fought victory. People are complaining that he subbed Commons and didn't wait till half time!? What? Looking past the fact that Commons was hopeless for the 40 minutes he was on, had he not made the switch and we conceded they would have pounced on that. It made me think of people criticizing RD for playing Ambrose in the Semi over Svia. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. And what's more, the attack was offside and it was a brilliant tackle. I don't know what RD is talking about with all that TBF but I could see it from where I was, given the movement of the ball. Replays have only confirmed this.

And some people on here are calling a draw embarrassing? This entitlement thing is really putting me off the Club. A strange element has crept in over the last 3/ 4 years that is really unappealing. As well as which, someone "defending" the point said that we should have scored the penalty (and would have won) but it would only be papering over the cracks. So basically it doesn't even matter what the result is, he's getting it in the neck.

I've said it time ad nauseam: I'm way not even defending RD, and whether he goes or stays is now becoming superfluous because, as you say, it's steadfast becoming a poison chalice and it's only getting worse. I'm calling out the contrived arguments, the ridiculous contradictions (ie what you are saying with domestic versus Europe etc) and the unbelievable entitlement that is now rife.

And to be clear, before people attack me with claims that "I may be happy with X", or the like. I am disappointed we drew. But there is a real sense that amidst any dropped point/ s there is a silver lining for some fans (#ronnyout) and it is genuinely sad.

It's not the football on the pitch that's putting me off going, it's the stream of negativity from the so called best fans in the world.