Celtic Banter Archive December 27 2015

 

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27 Dec 2015 22:49:11
Liam Boyce for Celtic, anyone?

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27 Dec 2015 23:14:19
As much as i like him as a player, he's simply not good enough for celtic.

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28 Dec 2015 00:19:00
Yeah, maybe, but sometimes a player comes along that just has a knack of being in the right place at the right time, there is a lot of people on here that are, whatever the word is inverted snobs, no one is any good unless he's got a name that ends in ov or sen or son, if Boyce was playing in the Serbian or Bosnian or Norwegian leagues, and had scored as many goals, there's some on here that would be wanting Lawwell to pay Β£6 million for him.

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28 Dec 2015 01:12:06
aindah I like Boyce and saw him play for Cliftenville often he is nearly the makings of a good football, but u know what some of our fans are like if he hadn't score 10 goals and 10 assists in first ten games he wouldn't be good enough I think we should be hoping to take from within the club .

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28 Dec 2015 07:42:57
It doesn't matter where the player comes from, the only criteria is quality. We've all known about Boyce for years, he is technically good, but lacks pace and a core fitness. He was on trial at Celtic a few years ago. My problem is when fans start raving away about players doing it in the SPL, so what, our league is rotten! Kris Boyd is the perfect example, hundreds here, none anywhere else. Currently we have Adam Rooney who couldn't get a game/ score a goal in a brutal Birmingham team. Well we've got Stokes as well, great in the SPL with us, Falkirk and Hibs, but also brutal in England and in Europe. We need a top striker, who can compete with Griffiths, and on occasion play with Griffiths. Ideally we would have another 2 new strikers because I am far from convinced about Cifti, he looks like another who has a level. Cole got a year and a half contract, it seems it's going to take him a year and a half to get fit, and well Stokes should just move on and play games elsewhere. This whole Celtic team is just so so average! The whole spine needs quality added!

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28 Dec 2015 09:04:07
Aindoh big price tags and what like a player plays in don't mean anything these days, when you have incompetence like John Park scouting for players. James Vardy, James McCarthy, James McArthur, Andrew Robertson and Alfreo Finnbogason are a few players who would not of broke the bank, yet would of made a massive difference to team but deemed "not worth the money".

Whats the story with the bhoy Michael Duffy?

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28 Dec 2015 10:10:05
Dn30 is his loan to alloa not ending at the turn of the year.

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28 Dec 2015 10:56:47
Did he no turn us down to go to Germany after a trial a few years ago. I think if we got him now he would be a better option than Cole and ciftci.

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28 Dec 2015 11:34:32
Deep river bhoy i never knew he was out on loan, thought he had vanished lol.

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28 Dec 2015 12:05:05
He may well be a better option than Cole or Cifti, but what does that mean? He's not as good an option as Messi though - that means feck all either. The only thing that matters is us spending every penny we have available on quality, ideally with experience and a pedigree! As well as Duffy on loan, we've got McMullin at St Mirren, O'Connell is back from Oldham after doing nothing then getting another injury, Lindsay/ Waters/ McManus are also on loan and haven't done much - my young cousin goes to the development games. Anyway my point is we are on our way to producing another 20 players that will end up at a Morton. I remember fans a couple of years ago freaking out because we were letting Denny Johnstone leave, sure enough he was released by Birmingham after 6 months or whatever. Duffy came with a decent reputation, instead of making him better though we send them on loan, or make them worse! The coaching at Lemnoxtown must be appalling - I thought Ronny would have brought in new youth coaches long ago. We've still not even brought in someone to replace Stevie Frail. Lawwell thinks he's being innovative bringing in Ronny but all the coaches below him have no pedigree whatsoever- if it wasn't so serious it would be fecking hilarious!

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28 Dec 2015 13:02:48
Delphic We do try to spend every penny we have on quality, as does every professional team in the world . Unlike teams from other leagues our funds are very limited and although some of our signing over the last five years have been brilliant and have used our personnel and resources to improve themselves and become really top professional footballers . Others coming with similar ability have used the clubs and pubs and even bad girls (even Celtic fans) to destroy their football careers . No matter how good the coaches and trainers are at Lennoxtown, and no matter who is signed
If players don't want to progress, they won't . Griffiths didn't progress for 6 mths or more, he changed his mindset and is now playing somewhere near the top of his ability . If only more had done likewise
For example look at the heights Stokes could reach if he could concentrate on playing football . He has the natural ability but he cannot get his head round that .
Great players don't always perform, look at Utd and Chelsea, best players in their leagues, Both started the season with the very best of managers both in disarray.

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28 Dec 2015 13:14:34
It's a real sign of the times that we are even discussing Liam Boyce as an option, compared to who we have had in recent years scoring goals for Celtic.
He had a trial previously under NL and it came to nothing;
If we are now resigned to looking at SPL standard because of our limited budget and location or ambition - we should be looking at consistent top scorers and proven strikers.

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28 Dec 2015 14:11:58
The bhoy Duffy reminds me of Niall McGinn got a better eye for goal but nowhere near as quick

The bhoy McMullan now he can play skillful and got a trick and a goal in him but he lacks a yard of pace and just can't see either make a team of RD who likes pace in the front three

Same reason he let Marcus Fraser go IMO a really good footballer but lacks pace

The stupid part for me in a season where we went with TWO new CH's and probs in CDM we gave away Jackson Irvine who is the real grafter and star in that Ross County team IMO.

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28 Dec 2015 14:47:25
Oldboy, We don't sign quality players, who was the last player we signed who was the finished article?
All we do is buy cheap, in the vain hope that we can somehow turn these players into superstars with a bit of coaching.
Your loyalty to Peter Lawwell and the board is touching, but a lot of Celtic supporters feel they are being ripped off, but then again you seem to think that the fans should kneel down, kiss Peter Lawwell's feet, and tell him how grateful we are to be getting ripped off, whilst he is earning his huge bonus every year.

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28 Dec 2015 15:19:29
Absolutely Oldbhoy, it does have to come from within but top coaches and managers also make a difference otherwise they'd all be the same! And you're not telling me every player in the last 35 years since we brought through Paul McStay has had a poor attitude! That's just silly! We've had a handful of decent players Marshall, McGeady etc, but nobody brilliant- why? Of course it's the coaching! And whatever me or anyone else says about Ronny, because he has plenty of faults, we might never have seen nor properly heard of Nesbitt and Tierney if he hadn't become manager! That is the biggest indictment of our coaches! And to be fair, whatever you think of John Collins, I heard Nesbitt say he has learned an incredible amount off him. All the kids should be learning incredible amounts off the youth coaches! Ferguson didn't bring all those kids through at Utd, - he made sure he had great youth coaches, and also tried to stay on top of their discipline, then after that you have to be brave enough to play them obviously, but they have to be good enough!

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28 Dec 2015 16:04:14
Gerryc Are u for real? With what can we buy the finished article. It certainly wouldn't be from the massive TV deal or Sponsorship or the ever decreasing season ticket money . I think you will find that as the Scottish economy and the money in Scottish football decreased the size of transfer fees and wages multiplied . With the best will in the World Cetic cannot complete Internationally for the finish article.

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28 Dec 2015 16:26:24
Also like Gerry said, we always go for the chap option, it always has to be a bargain, a project to make money, which only works so often - for every Garry Hooper we've had a Bagura/ Pukki/ Balde/ Lassad, and for every Leigh Griffiths we've been given your Miku's/ Cole's/ Cifti's - every one of these guys are free transfers, loans and Β£1.5 million transfers! Can the fans not just get something even remotely like the finished article, or a bit of pedigree? There is nothing wrong with spending Β£4 million on a 27 year old, even if you don't resale them, if you get the 5 best years of their career, helps you qualify in Europe etc, covering the outlay anyway. Plenty of clubs try and go down the project road, but you also have to bring through kids and buy experience and the finished project to sprinkle through the team! Teams like Benfica and Porto are brilliant at it!

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28 Dec 2015 17:22:03
Oldboy As Delphic wrote in his post, are you honestly saying we couldn't have signed better players than Cifti, Pukki, Balde, Lassad, Miku, Bangura, Boeriggter, and all the rest, if we'd put all the fees together and bought one decent player we would have been far better off, for a club that seems to pride itself on being good with money, the signing of these duds just shows how they've managed to pull the wool over your eyes.
The trouble is not one of them will admit to getting it so badly wrong, they rely on the supporters being too stupid to notice.

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28 Dec 2015 18:03:09
Even more recently we HAD to buy Scepovic instead of Kramaric, forget how they both turned out, as we all know hindsight is a wonderful thing, it's just the fact we HAD to go for the cheaper one. We saved less than a Β£1 million, and a year later he moved to Leicester for double that fee because he kept scoring in Croatia. You even heard his agent say he would never deal with Celtic again, that they were amateurish and left them standing outside in the rain! We all know, the 10 year old kid in the street knows we can't spend fortunes on players, and that we have to be careful, but there is a balance we can't find! God we could all be dead in 5 years, watching this lot we might all be wishing we were dead in 5 years!

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{Ed007's Note - I've said it before on here that our reputation is in the gutter when it comes to buying. Agents, clubs and players have been left hanging or led up the garden path by CFC. Could that be one of the reasons we're shopping in Scotland so much?}

29 Dec 2015 15:05:43
Delphic I really have to agree with you here, and I think we will all
You posted as Gerryc said we always go for the " chap" option .
I am all for equality of the sexes but I don't think we are ready for " female"strikers πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€.

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27 Dec 2015 22:13:38
Watched last couple of Leeds games and tge boy sam byram looks a player . stokes has been linked to interest from leeds a few times now. a possible swap deal? gets stokes career back . gets him of the wage bill . and we get a promising youngster.

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27 Dec 2015 23:45:48
He's been linked to Liverpool and I think he has his eyes on the prem anyway IMO he could have made the move a year or 2 ago.

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28 Dec 2015 00:04:19
There's no chance Byram coming to us, he's hart set on the PL, anyway he's valued over Β£8Mill,
I saw the game too, two decent potential managers there.
Hh.

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28 Dec 2015 00:10:39
Liverpool are rumoured to be preparing a Β£5m bid for him. I doubt Leeds would be willing to swap him for a guy who's behind Carlton Cole and Ciftci in the pecking order.

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28 Dec 2015 00:49:07
Watched the last few leeds games as I read steve evans saying he'd like to manage us someday. leeds bhoy I thought the boy was refusing to sign a new deal and contract was due up we are a great springboard to the epl for youngsters. also if you don't ask you don't get . through in forrest plus cash . also until someone in the epl actually bids for him he ain't going there.

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28 Dec 2015 05:52:51
He's behind Cole and ciftci in RDs strange wee world. And the gospel according to RD has its own wee sect following.
A spaceship lies buried beneath the turf of Celtic Park to carry him and his disciples to the promised planet of football ecstasy.

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{Ed001's Note - I am sorry but anyone thinking Stokes is anything worth worrying about is hard to take seriously. The guy is one of the worst footballers (if he can be described as such, he is far too busy being a prick to play football) I have ever seen.}

28 Dec 2015 07:09:00
First saw Stokes against us for Falkirk near 10 years ago, thought he looked amazing. Had the potential to really kick on and be a great player but like you say Ed, he's far more interested in pissing it us against the wall and acting like a ned. Real wasted talent, would have sold him a good couple of years ago.

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28 Dec 2015 09:07:24
Ttts. no matter who likes or dislikes stokes on here doesn't matter he's been linked to leeds for some time . and the boy byrams contract is up in the summer leeds could get money and a player they supposedly want or risk losing him for nothing.

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28 Dec 2015 10:16:28
I'm not suggesting Stokes is some sort of superstar, what I'm saying he is certainly a better option than ciftci.
Those that selectively decide to use his private life as a stick to beat him with need to broaden their horizons.
Ciftci was bought as a suspended player, his crime wasn't during his own private time but on the field of play.
Leeds utd might be an opportunity for him to move on but a return to Easter road maybe shouldn't be ruled out.
A fit and focused Stokes can hold his own in Scotland.

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{Ed001's Note - so you are now trying to make comparisons between the types of crime to justify your defence of a player who is clearly not good enough and drags the name of your club through the dirt.}

28 Dec 2015 10:40:46
No I'm not ed.

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{Ed001's Note - you just did.}

28 Dec 2015 13:08:56
Stokes is a disgrace, at worse he could have been above average SPL or Championship player . If he had adopted the correct mental attitude, trained properly and concentrated on his talents he could have been one of our greats over the last number of years and a top ROI international
He has thrown it all away, so sad really, I hope we don't give him another chance better to concentrate on those who haven't yet got a chance .

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28 Dec 2015 14:04:12
Please feel free to run your moral ruler over the rest of the squad Old Boy. Or are you content to embrace the whole jd fantasy and in the process scorning others with different opinions to your back the board or eff off attitude.

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29 Dec 2015 14:30:13
TTTs I like u reserve the right to post what I think, I won't take up your kind request to run your or mine moral ruler over the rest of our squad .

However, I thought that Celtic have been a Professional Football club for well over a century and don't play amateur footballers . I would be amazed if anyone could describe Stokes ( who I used to really like ) as a Professional Footballer in recent times .

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27 Dec 2015 21:15:13
Is it just me who thinks Lustig should be Centre half? He has lost half a yard and surely he would be a better centre half than Boyata? Full back is too much for him nowadays.

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27 Dec 2015 21:54:23
Lustig has been very poor yet fisher is doing well at st Johnstone by all accounts
More worrying is the lack of a striker in that squad except for lg I'm not convinced buying a striker is something I would like in Jan given the recent striker quality
Ciftci takes me back to the days of Wayne biggins.

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27 Dec 2015 23:51:49
Over the last five or six games Lustig seems to have had some difficulties with his mobility, I think playing so many consecutive games is now starting to catch up with him. Almost since he was signed he had a lot of time out of the side with either injuries or being rotated with other players and in many games he would be subbed after about 70 minutes. Now he is playing the full 90 every game and his performance is deteriorating to a degree.

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28 Dec 2015 00:51:20
He wants to be played as a CB and I think it was the position we signed him for primarily. Ambrose play better as a RB which facilitates his ridiculous need to push forward. Problem is Boyata has been brought in for that RCB berth and they need to make that work. Lustig and Simonovic could maybe form a partnership and leave Boyata as squad man for now, reasonably young and could be loaned if unhappy.

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28 Dec 2015 01:16:34
I think Lustig is better as a right back He seems to have very low pain threshold and could suffer as much against big bursting centre forward .

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28 Dec 2015 10:22:36
Is it 1 or 2yrs he has left on his contract? When he has been fit he is one of the few players in our squad capable of playing at a higher level. I can see him being moved on in the summer and I don't think we will get much for him :/

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29 Dec 2015 14:23:09
I wouldn't worry about what money get for him, or any player as we are not consulted how the money is spent ( and rightly so, as there would never be consensus ) what does concern me is who do we replace him with and how consistently good he will be .
Full backs have often played both sides of their defence and it might be a good idea to give young Tierney a run at right back, as part of his learning process, and bring Izzy back on .

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27 Dec 2015 18:47:13
Hi Ed, first post,
Am I right in thinking that John Kennedy controls how the defence set up, as RD was a defender it's a bit strange that he isn't trusted to organise our defence and as the manager to sign players, although he does continue to get stick everywhere for players that we sign.

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{Ed007's Note - Welcome to the site. RD is responsible for how the defence is set up, Kennedy works with them on drills on how to defend set pieces etc. he basically does what RD tells him he wants done with the players.
It's a lot more common than you think that managers have minimal input on player recruitment.}

27 Dec 2015 20:20:49
Jamiebhoy, Forrest and Armstrong are both right footed, we have a few lefties, but neither of they two are.

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27 Dec 2015 20:56:36
A don't know how a put Armstrong in there mate but always thought Forrest was a leftie.

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27 Dec 2015 18:07:36
Just an observation Ronny as I know your not the most tactically gifted.
James Forrest- divides opinion some say he can be devastating (namely youself) others say he is average and some even say poor. But 1 thing for certain about this lad is his final ball is awful. So why the hell play him on the left, god he can't play his final pass with his right foot what chance has he got with his left.
Again this is 1 position where you have failed to fill, you persist with Armstrong yet he simply can't play there.
I am seriously concerned about your ability to create a team, there is never any balance to it and there are certainly no partnerships as I have mentioned in a previous post.
The thought behind this system is that's the way European teams play like this and we want to play the same way at home and in Europe. A grand thought but heres the BUT.
Scottish teams DO NOT play like European teams, never have never will. Motherwell, Killie, Hearts etc can't play like that they are simply not good enough. But we are trying it against Scottish teams (who incidently are now playing 2 up top against us) , who can't match European teams for technical ability, I don't see how this allows us to progress.
Surely finding the right system to beat these teams and beat them regularly and convincingly will give us much more confidence going into European games.
Are you honestly telling me Ronny that we can only play 1 way, or is it your just stubborn and can't see past this way of playing.
In both cases I think your inexperience and tactical naivety is showing you up.
You simply just don't have the players to play this system and I think its this that will lose you your job mate.

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27 Dec 2015 18:40:20
Rayman mate there a lot in there to agree with JF has no final ball your spot on but he is REALLY hopeless with his right he is ALL left foot with no out ball at all

The thing that struck me during the game after Rogic's goal is how many left footers we have in the team! Forrest, Rogic, Armstrong, Commmons, McGregor, Mulgrew and Griffiths not including Izzy and KT never known so many in the team and yet you don't have ONE (maybe except LG) who is a stand out

Cannot understand why RD getting in the neck today, to me I have seen that many a time under many a previous manager the opposition get a lucky ish goal, or a big late decision mate

Some strike by Sow but if it does not get that wee nick the points are ours mate.

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27 Dec 2015 18:59:27
Rayman, ease up, if you support Celtic maybe, just maybe you could try to encourage and build confidence in the team . Rather than compete with the SMSM and supporters of other teams, maybe encouraging words and encorageing shouts from stands may help .
To my mind today Celtic played a lot better than on many occasions over the last 8/ 10 years . After 30 mins today we were missing 6 of our top 15/ 16 players and I thought the team showed plenty of spirit and determination to do well for their club and no lack of skill.

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27 Dec 2015 19:19:32
Jamie, you might have noticed I did not mention the result today. I would have posted this if we had won. I more interested in the way we play. Ronny tells us we are progressing, even the most ardent Ronny fan on here can see we have regressed big time. Even since he came in.
In fact the Ronny fans constantly pick out statistics to suit, ie we are 3 points ahead of this time last year etc, but in other posts they say he hasn't got the players we used to have. So which is it?
Apart from 1 in ten games recently and a little spell late last season when it did come together the football has been poor. Yes it was a decent game today but how many opportunities did we create and Alexander wasn't exactly tested too much today.
Creativly we are disappointing and without LG we don't look like scoring very much.
All this against poor teams I might add so where does it put us.

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27 Dec 2015 19:34:42
Sorry oldbhoy my mistake, it was all the referees fault lol.
So when we win a game will you credit the refs the SFA and MSM for allowing us to win.

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27 Dec 2015 19:37:09
Old Bhoy what planet are you on. Ryman critisise the team and you are telling him to be positive and build confidence in the team! Do you think Anything he says takes confidence away from the team or more worrying do you think that you are actually building confidence in the team? It matters not a joy what we posters say. That is between us. Do you think of influences anyone but yes you probably do and what can anyone say to that? Moving on When we were 2-1 up with 10 minutes to go it's time to shut up shop. Instead Ronnie makes a change and brings on an attacker to try and get the 3rd goal. He has no idea how to win matches. It's schoolboy football. How many times do we lose a lead? Too many. Why because he only knows 1 formation, he plays players out of position to accommodate his formation and he refuses to try and shut out a game.

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27 Dec 2015 19:53:04
A hear you Rayman, Last week I was demented by it no getting away from the fact we are not pleasing to watch sometimes under RD especially at home we are hindered by that big pitch under this system not moving it forward quick enough

But if you would have said to me Christmas Eve we would start the game our best 3 players out, 2 players out after 20 mins and still top the league after a draw a would be content mate, I knew that late goal was coming the day seen it too many times

Roll on Weds, and then the Jan window opens are the beaks going to leave him a sitting duck or are they going to back him?

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27 Dec 2015 20:30:29
Oldboy, If you think that the poster's on this site are too negative, then why do you read it.
I thought the whole point of forums like this, is to let people express their opinions, you seem to imply that supporters should only go to a match, cheer on the team, then when the final whistle goes go home and don't utter a word till the next match, talk about the club taking the fans for granted.
If the management and players are affected by anything the fans say either on here, or at the stadium, them I don't think they should be at a club like ours, in my opinion it would show that they are not strong enough mentally.
I suggest if you don't like reading anything critical about the team, you should stick to reading the club's website or the Celtic View.

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27 Dec 2015 21:05:05
Oldboy can I ask what your views are on effe Ambrose do you feel he is a decent player who could do with a bit of encouragement? Or do you think he is not good enough to wear the shirt? πŸ˜‰.

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28 Dec 2015 01:29:26
Now does a team get low in confidence
Losing games
Crowd getting on to players from stand
Players reading negative press
Players reading nasty stuff on Twitter and forums.
Fab2 Ambrose is an amazing player who has made mistakes but despite horrible abuse from some Celtic fans has never had a bad word about Celtic or fans and when called upon went out today and played a stormer . He cleared more balls with head and feet than any other two Celtic players . He wore the shirt well today
Johnnymac it does matter what is said by posters Two reason players do read Celtic forums and some could be affected like big Virgil after he signed .
Also our fans attending matches read forums and Twitter and if reading lumps of negative will bring it into stand and may let players suffer .

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28 Dec 2015 06:59:05
So oldbhoy would you say the fans who don't rate effe must have an ulterior motive for doing so ?

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28 Dec 2015 07:56:13
Oldbhoy. before there were forums for fans, how did you go about shouting down anyone who said something that didn't tow the party line. Its fans like yourself that keep lawell and co very happy, they serve you dung and you just get yer fork out and tuck in.

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28 Dec 2015 11:54:34
Once again Forrest showed his fatal flaws yet again. He couldny deliver a decking newspaper to his ma's.

Some great play leading uk to his final baw, but as usual he makes a can't if everyone that matters.
Gave away two stupid, pathetic fouls in a row that caused the goal.

His job is to provide a good baw. At that he is one if the worst I have ever seen.

Big Ambrose started with his gift that should have been a goal but got away with it. He played well after that but his balls up shows he cannot and should not be trusted.

I heard Forrest us looking to extend his contract. Bit anither club anywhere has ever bid for him because he basically flatters to deceive.

Get him tae F.

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28 Dec 2015 12:44:59
Ambrose is an amazing player! wow best quote of the year πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ‘πŸΏπŸ˜‚.

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28 Dec 2015 13:18:57
How can someone with any love of Celtic and any desire to see Celtic do well post nonstop negatives, draining confidence from other supporters, manager and team . Even the most negative anti RD should have appreciated the two wonderful goals Celtic scored yesterday, unless they really have an anti Celtic agenda .
Magicpole I assume you sit in on the Celtic team talks before matches as you know, in your simple mind you think "his job is to provide a good baw"
There was me thinking all a long that that was the job of the SPL.

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28 Dec 2015 16:12:37
Any player who has had to listen to and read the abuse that Ambrose has, had to put up with and can still give an assured performance like yesterday could be said put up an amazing performance . Some idiots have done their best to take away all his confidence . Without confidence u don't have a footballer .

Fab2 are you trying to make a clumsy ulterior attempt to score a pathetic point . U should be ashamed of yourself, try to make ulterior points against Celtic enemies instead of sucking up to them .

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28 Dec 2015 17:02:16
Hi Ryan!, Take Ambrose over Danny Wilson any day of the week ;-)

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28 Dec 2015 17:16:21
Sucking up to who? Who are our " enemies"? The sfa? Referees? The spl? Fifa? All of the above? I will say again winners don't need excuses, and good manager's don't blame bad luck . Chris you are one of a long line of people who think they can dictate what gets posted on here and how fans should support our club, if you can't handle the very valid criticism Ronnie is getting, don't read it, simple . I'm sure the ed is on to you and will give you just enough rope to hang yourself, again πŸ˜‰.

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28 Dec 2015 18:21:06
Hi jamieβœ‹πŸ» I wouldn't want any of the 2 of them but just couldn't resist of all the nonsense he posts that is by far the best ever! a can't think of 1 amazing player in Scotland! but a must be missing out on the skills of the big man.

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29 Dec 2015 23:37:17
Fab2 are you on medication? I couldn't give a toss on what is posted on here . However just as you like to give your opinion on some of the topics raised, I think with any luck I should be allowed the same right . Of course you are always right, the SFA always bend over backwards to punish Rangers and clear us of all wrong doings .
SMSM always give Celtic club, the manager and players good press ( it has always been the highlight of the Celtic managers week sitting down with his friends in the media at press loves in, with Rangers row and threat follow every second of the tension filled meetings . Of course Celtic's best players are reported to leave just before a tough and important game . At Rangers Messi is usually jetting in .

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27 Dec 2015 17:24:08
3 wins from our last 9 games no matter how you want to spin it is simply appalling and no where near good enough, that is a simply inexcusable no matter how much of a Ronny lover you are.

I don't want to hear the excuses abou key players being out injured, namely Commons, Griffiths and Brown. The same three who also played in our previous draws and defeats in Europe and our other domestic games.

Besides, it was only a few years ago when we were about to go toe to toe with Barcelona at Celtic Park and we had our First choice LB (Izaguirre) , captain (Brown) and striker (Hooper) all out injured and unavailable. And this was Barca, one of the best sides in the world and you didn't hear Lenny complaining.

We're not asking Ronny to defeat teams of Barcas ilk whilst missing key players, we're asking him to beat average Scottish sides who function on an absolute fraction of our budget and whether you agree or not that is a bang average Hearts side who were missing their number 1 striker and we needed Gordon to pull off some cracking saves to get us something from the game. With the size of our squad we should have more than enough to handle the rest, it's the exact reason why we have such a squad size or supposed to anyway.

Another point, once again Ambrose shows why he's a much better CB and more reliable player than Boyata. Unfairly dropped and proves once again he's decent enough in there against domestic opposition and looks more comfortable than Boyata. People will begin to realise this in the weeks to come in Boyata's absence. Why can't Ronny see this?

We're now going into the January transfer window and you've got to ask yourself would you trust him with another window with his judgement on players? I sure wouldn't, not when his supposed number 1 transfer targets namely Ciftci and Boyata have added to the mediocrity of our squad. You simply can't make these guys good players no matter how good you say you are at developing. You need to buy good players and make them great players. You can't buy bad players and make them good players it simply doesn't work like that, as they say can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear and this is what spings to mind when I think about a lot of our playes brought in under Ronny.

His eye for a player has proved to be shocking when you also include Armstrong and GMS.

Enough is enough and I'm not a spoiled fan I'm just pointing out facts and the way we are heading we have absolutely no chance of heading into the CL Groups next year as is stands, something needs to change and fast.

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27 Dec 2015 17:34:58
Meant to add we were also missing Forrest as well against Barcelona who Lenny rated and played mostly when fit so that's four players mising that day, not that I'm saying Forrest would have done anything as it was probably more a blessing he missed that game as well as Stokes.

That's also now 16 goals we've shipped this season domestically and we're only half way through it. Last season we conceded 17 goals in TOTAL through out the whole season, that right there shows a distinct lack of progress and in actual fact regression. Let's not even get started in the amount we conceded in Europe.

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27 Dec 2015 17:38:20
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27 Dec 2015 18:05:35
How the hell can you blame RD for that one? As you mentioned, 3 top players out before the game started. Then for the first 20 odd minutes we tore Hearts to pieces until the Amstrong injury, followed by the Boyata injury (who was playing well) . Add the Lustig and Ambrose incidents which affected our momentum. The only reason we lost today was because of James Forrest's stupid foul! I have harshly blamed RD in the heat of the moment in the past but if you had been at the game today (celticforever) you would realise that your talking nonsense! Today I witnessed a side full of fight and desire who made the most of a tough physical game but were undone by one players mistake. Support the team FFS!

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27 Dec 2015 18:32:30
You can't just blame Forrest James77. The left winger Nicholson ran Lustig ragged all first half and he was sleeping at their first goal. He let him get the run on him and a half hearted attempt at a block.

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27 Dec 2015 18:38:59
Celtic forever I have always thought Efe is criticised more harshly than others but he did deserve to be dropped. Sometimes players benefit from being left out, he certainly played well today so hopefully he can make a good contribution going forward. Forrest gave away a silly free kick but the major problem is the same as lat week we have signed a centre half (Jozo) who struggles to win the ballin the air. He should have headered it clear just before it fell between Forrest and the hearts player. Unless he improves thus will cost us a lot of goals. Mcgregor played well today and instill can't work out why Rogic was subbed.

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27 Dec 2015 19:01:13
Kev, I totally agree with you about Lustig today but he is our top RB right now (which needs to be addressed in Jan if Janko is not going to cut it) . My point is we can't blame RD for everything as overall, it was a good performance today in a tough physical encounter with one of our closest league rivals. The negativity on here is becoming ridiculous these days. (Rogic was injured - Grout64)

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27 Dec 2015 19:24:31
Celticforever Have you much proof that Celtic are better without S Brown .
Of all the stupid things posted by us all, that statement by you must have been the most stupid ever made on Celtic banter.
I think that it is possible that Rogic may have indicated to the bench he was struggling .
Lustig has got plenty of praise since he joined Celtic but he is struggling this season
James 77 what match were u at today and who were u supporting .
Certainly not Celtic as we didn't lose today. , however u are right we fought well today .
I find it hard to understand that it seems that most posters are concentrating on players and managers mistakes and lack of ability .
Not a whisper about our two goals today , two great goals that any team would be proud of and not a mention . Posters should be proud of their negativity .

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27 Dec 2015 19:46:35
Old Chris, I always enjoy your posts but put your glasses on mate. I never once said that we lost today!

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27 Dec 2015 19:49:20
To all of the Ronnie lovers we have won 3 out of out last 9 games. Every game we lose or draw some of you have an excuss. Cifti will never make it as a lone striker do why did we buy him. Every time we play him up front on his own he is going to get worse and worse. He can't and never has played that way. Now I hear you all say that Ronnie had no say in his selection! But Ronnie had a big say in Carltkn Cole. He had him training for 7 weeks before we signed him. So where is he? Let me tell you. Not match fit and we won't see him match fit this season so why sign him? So let's look at the facts. The year before Ronnie arrives we win the league with 99 points. Last year it's 92 points. This season we will be fortunate to get 86 points. We have a 33% win rate in our last 9 matches. This is never going to change under this manager so give all the excuses you want. Old Bhoy you said we would beat Aberdeen by over 20 points. I offered you 2-1 odds that this would not happen. Never got a reply? I will give you another bet at 2/ 1 that if Ronnie is in charge we don't qualify for CL football next season. Go on Old Bhog go mad and gave a double!

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27 Dec 2015 19:49:53
I apologise Oldboy it must have beem some sort of freudian slip due to all the negativity on here recently. I was at the game today mate ;)

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28 Dec 2015 01:32:15
James77 you are a gentleman and of course apology accepted
If we don't play worse than today I will be well pleased.

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30 Dec 2015 13:51:24
I don't know Ronnies lovers or if they are interested in his ability as Manager but there seem to be a few busy Ronny haters who blame him for all the ails of the Champions and League Leaders .
Just unbelievable the comparison between the SMSM's treatment of him compared to Warburton .

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27 Dec 2015 17:08:04
What's everyone's opinion on RD post match interview the only thing other than the result which was dissapointing was the interview! Is there genuinely any Celtic fan who is happy that a 2-2 draw is a good result after you have only won 3 out the last 9 matches!? if RD is happy with that result then we have an eejit on board! Not good enough!

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27 Dec 2015 18:11:20
RD never said it was a good result, he said it was a good performance and anyone who had actually been to Swinecastle today would have noticed that (taking into account the amount of injuries to key players all through the game) .

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27 Dec 2015 19:40:42
James you are 100% correct . Today's performance, although room for improvement would have been accepted by most Celtic managers over the last 50 years . I am sure the efforts and determination as well as two class goals would have pleased those that mattered in any era .
Things were difficult enough with players missing and players injured early on without referee Mc Lean did his very best to stamp his bias authority on the game . Hearts players went down like flies, sometimes they wern't too sure what part of the body to hold to feign injury and inevitable McLean obliged . Ambrose took two kicks on the legs and got booked . McGregor raced up to corner and pushed to ground,
McLean took up position between the penalty spot and goals so that he would see nothing and block Celtic players making a move towards any cross.

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27 Dec 2015 23:05:18
But you are missing the point RD is satisfied with today regardless if we played well amazing or not. we only took a point and again it's another 2points dropped against a team we should be streets ahead! I'm certainly not interested if we play well I want results!

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28 Dec 2015 13:57:31
Jones you are missing the point. , RD said he was happy with the fighting spirit shown, the quick accurate passing, playing for each other and two brilliant goals, everyone who wants Celtic to do well would be happy with something to build on.

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27 Dec 2015 16:47:27
Thought we were unlucky today not to win if am honest two great goals by us, two unlucky goals to concede especially the second no keeper is getting to that after that nick of GMS

Only hope Cole nearly ready or another forward brought in who can hit the ground running

Ciftci the only failure for me today replay's show he went looking for that elbow and personally I can't stand a player with that dirty/ nasty streak!

Never been an easy place to go really just glad Aberdeen dropped yesterday (y)

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{Ed007's Note - An English lad (West Ham fan) I'm friendly with said that was the one of the best Scottish matches he's watched in years.}

27 Dec 2015 17:04:43
Can understand that train of thought had a bit of everything mate and that is how am used to see Celtic lose a late goal if am honest other team getting a lucky ish deflection or pandemonium late onslaught of our goal to salvage something late on so can handle that mate

Or maybe it was because a spent my first Christmas in Ireland in thirty years and still in mellow mode lol

Just catching up Β£58 notes fur yer dinner lol well at least "Yoda" was well fed as a result of it :-)

So is yoda a "dug" or a dog mate you know the Kevin Bridges synopsis if he is capable of fighting he's a "dug" lol (y)

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{Ed007's Note - He's a Staffy and he looks the part but he's that soft he's scared by crows in the garden, even snow terrifies him. All he wants to do is play and run about mental. Sound like you had a good time in Ireland anyway.}

27 Dec 2015 17:30:11
A had a hoot Ed, Am not much of a drinker me mate but that went right out the winda' lol. The irish can party mate and probably the best in the world at putting you at ease (y)

Aw love Staffy's had a few in my lifetime, trust me mate handled right they have great natures Ed and fantastic around children

I have a Bull Mastiff, Simba he is a big wean lol young nephews wrestle him / sit on him like a horse does not bother a jot mate (y) but happy to have a Butcher pal to keep him well fed.

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{Ed007's Note - I never thought I'd have a dog in my puff, I was scared of them all my life, but when my mate and his Mrs broke up she kept Yoda's mum but didn't want the pup they had kept from her litter, my mate had nowhere to take him so I said I'd look after him for a few weeks until he got himself sorted out, after all he was only 5 months old and couldn't eat me - that was 4 years ago next month lol I wouldn't swap the wee guy for anything and like Simba all my nieces and nephews love him to bits as well.}

27 Dec 2015 19:53:13
Ed Staffies are brilliant dogs. As long as you walk them and allow them to run around they are super pets. Great with kids. At least there is one thing we agree about Ed. lol. I knew there must be something!

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{Ed007's Note - They get a bit of a bad press at times but I just read as much as I could about training etc and just worked at it. I have a massive back garden for him to run about in so he gets plenty of exercise but the food he gets is ridiculous, roast chicken, beef/pork joints, it's my wife's fault that he's better fed than half the kids in Fairhill.}

27 Dec 2015 20:53:42
For not having a dog before Ed you got lucky mate

My Grandfather at different times bred Staffy's / Bull Mastiff's / Bulldog's

The thing with Yoda mate is when they owners have a litter by and large have a tendency to keep the "pick of the litter" seen it happen plenty of times mate so there you go (y)

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{Ed007's Note - I definitely landed on my feet.}

27 Dec 2015 21:24:30
Know the feeling about the wee yin Ed. We have a yorkie and a shiatsu and if we go to the pet food section they look at us and wonder if we are getting a dog. The yorkie would play with a ball 24/ 7 and love running and dribbling with football in garden. Even holds ball down with paw and when you go for it she pulls it back then noses it away. could teach some of our lot a wee bit.

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{Ed007's Note - It' hilarious watching Yoda running with a ball, the way he controls it and changes direction :)

27 Dec 2015 16:05:09
That is one of the worst Celtic teams i have ever seen. Peter Lawwell time to go! This policy of relying on your mate John Park to get in players in hope a profit can be made out of project is not working! wouldn't surprise me if Lawwell is doing a "Romanov" and picking team. He seems to handle all other affairs so why not pick team as well?

I feel sorry for Deila, due to constraints he is being made out to be scape goat and to be honest I can see him walking before end of season. No matter what happens, if we don't get rid of Lawwell nothing will change.

Now is the time to go Lawwell before more damage is done!

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27 Dec 2015 16:15:34
Dn30 . lawell never took of rogic and left on cifti.

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27 Dec 2015 16:20:07
Think you're being too kind to Ronny, I think he has the players at his disposal, but he continues to pick the wrong team, and/ or play players out of position.

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27 Dec 2015 16:54:56
Rogic doesn't have 90 mins in him!

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27 Dec 2015 16:56:43
Another uninspiring performance. this team are dreadful. The management team are dreadful. The fitness of some players is shocking. Its really starting to put me off football, if this is the way ahead god help us.

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27 Dec 2015 17:15:03
Desh. . do you think rogic could not have played for another 12 minutes. (and if the manager thinks he can't play 90 or if indeed he isn't capable of 90 mins then he should get rid of him) but he didn't look tired unfit or injured while cifti just looked shite.

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27 Dec 2015 17:20:52
Kills me to say it no heart no fight and no clue RD has to go team is full of fringe players we need to sign players to go straight onto the first team if not what's the point in spending money on more bench warmers and that's being polite.

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27 Dec 2015 17:30:42
Don't feel sorry for Ronny at all, by all accounts Ciftci and Boyata were his main Summer targets, they were is first choice picks, we also decided to stay at home for Pre-season at Ronny's request so the board have got behind Ronny.

He's simply not got a good enough eye for a player as there's not one player whom we're purchased on a permanant contract that's got me excited or I think there's a decent player there.

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27 Dec 2015 19:55:00
Another round of nonsense by people who seem to think been able to spell Celtic makes them a Celtic supporter.
I am probably wrong in thinking that Celtic supporters can criticise constructively but supporters must support, must encourage and must try to build confidence in players and managers .
Too many on here make no attempt to do this, we are worse served by our Board's inability to raise and release money to buy better quality players, yet our Board is allowed off scot free at AGM's . It seems that we rather tackle soft easy targets, anonymously behind user names or hidden among crowd in the stands .

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27 Dec 2015 21:52:38
Old Bhoy do you ever go to watch a game?

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28 Dec 2015 00:01:50
Another post of pure nonsense from oldbhoy. Who are you to insist that supporters MUST support or MUST encourage. Both of which iv done and have ran out of patience with. The players and managment have a duty to entertain the fans. And when they do not. The fans have every right to voice their displeasure. This isn't north korea old yin were they're all trained to react. If your happy being a gullible robot then carry on. don't expect the free thinking majority to keep silent.

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28 Dec 2015 01:42:26
Johnnymac I could ask the same question about u
I go very often to a game and have been going since the late 60's
Age and health are beginning to slow down my attendance but I attend more in Celtic Park than I miss
What about yourself do u ever go?

Bhrydobhoy I don't understand u . I thought what made Celtic unique is that we are all members of Celtic family through thick and thin .
U Bhrydobhoy seem to be "a la carte Celtic fan supporting the bits u like and abusing the bits u don't like. You will never enjoy your club with the shitty attitude and may as well forget us now .

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28 Dec 2015 07:45:03
Old bhoy families fall out all year round. don't tell me what kind of supporter i am. Who gives you that right.? . Your mutterings are read straight out of celtic propaganda. You obviously need others to do your thinking for you and would run straight off a cliff if lawell told you too. I love the club. But i'm not a rehearsed green tinted mug like yourself.

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29 Dec 2015 14:09:50
Bhrydobhoy If you disagree with me when I post Supporters must encourage, that's fine by me, but if you want to be accurate in the future look up definition of " supporter" . I think you will find I am correct .
Now if you attend games and don't want to be a supporter, you can go as a fan, a spectator or a prawn sandwich eater etc . However please don't cause confusion by claiming to be what you are not, a supporter.

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27 Dec 2015 16:00:33
Unlucky with that strike at the end but 3 wins in the last nine isn't good enough.

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27 Dec 2015 19:58:36
Paddy You can do better than that, ok you say 3 wins in 9 not good enough,
What did u think of today's game?
What about our goals?

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28 Dec 2015 15:27:56
Bittons neat finish rogic touch of class over all unlucky and 3 wins in 9 I'll let u answer that one.

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29 Dec 2015 14:16:25
Fair play to Paddy, even though I had to force it out of you, at least you could mention some positives . I hope you don't suffer long term damage reporting positives from Celtic display . I look forward to seeing u mention many more positives . I have known people to enjoy their team better whilst posting in positive fashion, feel good factor as opposed to down and despair.

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27 Dec 2015 15:55:05
Before anyone else says it.

James Forrest.

Craig Gordon.

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{Ed007's Note - Even I'm not going to try and blame Gordon for that second goal today. If that was in the EPL it would be a headline on the ITN news tonight.}

27 Dec 2015 16:10:06
His positioning was all wrong. Why put the wall at your left hand side then stand in the middle of the goal? Fine strike though it was (and to be fair, perhaps he wouldn't have saved it regardless) he never gave himself a chance before it was struck. It could have been struck either side and he was at a disadvantage before the ball was kicked with his positioning.

James Forrest, without going into the ridiculous foul he committed, is one of the poorest decision makers I've seen in the SPL let alone a Celtic shirt. So so poor.

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27 Dec 2015 16:50:42
gies peace even the guy who scored said he was lucky with the deflection honestly am getting sick tae ma back teeth with people on here i thought at times we played really well today and without a freak/ wonder goal we would have had the win.

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27 Dec 2015 17:12:02
Nicholson got lucky with his goal - that doesn't mean Lustig wasn't at fault.

And for the record I didn't say we didn't play well.

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27 Dec 2015 17:33:58
In the first fifteen minutes it looked like we were heading for a very good performance and three points - but how many times have we seen that from this team all season?
We cannot keep a clean sheet or defend a lead and have dropped yet another two points and given our rivals hope.
Without Griffiths we rely on midfielders to score and without a solid defence we need them to score three or four every week - and that's not going to happen.
Forrest was very poor and Although Johansen was busy - he was ineffective and outshone by McGregor and Rogic.
The buck stops with the manager and although we are doing some things right, we are still losing too many goals and out of form players are consistently costing us games.

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27 Dec 2015 19:56:46
Gordon is out of position. He needs to allow his wall to cover one side of the goal. He has to cover the other. He is a yard out of position. He may as well not have put up a wall.

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27 Dec 2015 20:10:05
Jungle Jim You are saying the buck stops with the manager
Have you managed at the top of the SPL?
How successful where u? If you r missing 6/ 7 players, then maybe even you would have to pick out of form players .
Johannson v busy and outshone by McGregor and Rogic, what is wrong with that .
I don't think there is a successful manager in the world cares who scores the goals
I remember a certain J Stein never complaining when full back Gemmell scored

It seems like many others and the SMSM are wrecking your brains to find ways of destroying Deila.

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27 Dec 2015 21:23:01
Of course - like you - OB I haven't managed in the SPL, however unlike you I can see obvious deficiencies and repeated mistakes and choose not to ignore them and pretend everything is rosie in paradise by constantly using comparisons and adages between RD and this team with our greatest manager and the superior talent of his day.
Just be honest and aware like the majority of us who see the neglect and decline of quality and standards at Celtic since rangers died and the failure to maximise our advantage and progress to our full potential.

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28 Dec 2015 14:05:43
You are all wrong clearly Dermot Desmond's fault, if he had given Celtic Β£20.m every year since he became our biggest shareholder we may have had better players on the pitch . Who gave him the right to decide not to give Celtic money every season.

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27 Dec 2015 15:42:58
Today has been a lot more like what I look for in a Celtic team. We've been unlucky with a couple of early injuries but they've showed real grit and fight at a tough venue. Rogic took his goal brilliantly as well. They're showing heart and playing for the jersey, I like it!

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28 Dec 2015 14:12:31
Kevbhoy you have good reason to be happy . I think we saw the fruits of Celtic no longer having two games a week almost every week since August 12 extra European games and the squad decimated by International fortnight call ups have resulted in RD not been able to work his players properly for over forty days August to Start of December.

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27 Dec 2015 15:28:32
can anyone tell me why Scott Allan can't get a run in the team in front of johannsen? The guys been awful since the start of the season! He's been left out of the team and comes back and it's the same sh**e! Give Allan a run of games to see what he can do! Great save by Gordon there! And less than 2 min on the park and step up ambrose! It's actually laughable!

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27 Dec 2015 20:17:40
May I suggest that at this stage Allen is a bit of a light weight . Today Hearts would have kicked him up and down the park and he would have got no protection from the biased McLean
Allen will become a great Celtic player in the future but at the moment Johannson's work rate and ability to take the rough and tumble gives him the edge over Allen . I reckon if Celtic hadn't been forced to use up two subs in the first half hour we could well have seen Allen on for last 20 mins.

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27 Dec 2015 14:58:21
Best start to a game for a long time, but we never capitalised on the vast superiority and the double injury disrupted our tempo.
Got it all to do all over again in the second half thanks to another defensive lapse that will give that shower encouragement.
Ciftci needs to get involved more although the midfield are playing very well as a unit and should create more chances to win this.
There was a lot of talk about that wee nyaff Collum yesterday, but beware this guy, he is a 'warmer'.
Come on you Bhoys in green!

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27 Dec 2015 13:02:17
What tv channel is the game on today.

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27 Dec 2015 13:14:43
Sky Sports 1.
Predict 3:0 to us.

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27 Dec 2015 13:57:23
Sky Sports 1.
I predict 3:0 to us.

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27 Dec 2015 14:01:44
I just hope we return to winning ways and by the way - GIRUY Neil McCann.

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27 Dec 2015 14:57:05
Gordon's kept us in the game Forrest doesn't look interested lustig isn't the player he was I hate saying that but, half time we need to impose oursfels more lack a broonie type player in midfield here's hoping.

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