Celtic Banter Archive November 26 2015

26 Nov 2015 23:23:17
maybe deserved a little more tonight but the simple fact is we don't keep the ball well enough . 4 or 5 managers have passed and it's still the same carelessness in possession . A problem deeper than the manager . Apparently he's trying to change that ethos throughout the club but on the evidence so far it doesn't look like any improvement has been made . Question is how long to you give him to change a problem that has been apparent In Europe for years .

26 Nov 2015 23:53:40
Absolute rubbishy comment.

27 Nov 2015 00:14:36
We make more basic errors now than with any of the last 4/5 managers and the promises of 'style of play' and higher fitness levels have not materialised.
Add to this the calibre of signing, team selection, substitutions and even tactics and we are a total shambles compared to most Celtic sides of the last decade or two.

27 Nov 2015 00:36:28
Absolute rubbish comment aindoh? We don't keep possession, we never have . Thanks for your constructive criticism though .

26 Nov 2015 23:02:55
First goal boyata should have stuck his head in second goal the less said the better. Disappointed to say the least.

26 Nov 2015 23:39:17
I'd go as far to say boyata is worse than Ambrose, all he does is back on and let the attacker run at him, he's dreadful also looks like lustig has gone backwards in a big way.

26 Nov 2015 22:46:18
Tonight can be put down in part to a disjointed line up. With no starting eleven continuity it was a big ask tonight even despite our opponents relative poor quality

We had a spell on the second half but the issue for me was POOR decision making. LG could have found GMS in the box 2 Ms half. Forest could have found GMS first half but elected to check across goal three times before fluffing his shot

I can't fault the effort tonight but at the end of the day a good team knows when to find a colleague to make the chance easier to put away. We are disjointed and unpredictable and dare I say desperate looking

On the 2nd goal. Easy to look at Allan not they were on him in a nanosecond. He issue for me was two fold. Moments before we delivered a corner and chuck should have scored. They were weak in the air. Second opportunity and we play it short. We over elaborated when there was an evident weakness. That poor decision led to Allan being mugged. We are then three against two but boyata commits far too early instead of tracking back and making the extra man find the killer pass. A poor decision.

Ajax weren't better this evening. Poor decision making hurt us. We had promising situations but we made poor decisions in terms of capitalising. We weren't emphatic in front of goal. We also showed a lack of courage for their opening goal. Would a 1980s centre half have led with a lame leg to avert the danger or go in head first. Bravery has been an issue all seasons and it iis a serious weakness and worry for any defence because without it where does it leave us. Paul Elliott anyone?

Kierney outstanding again

Gordon did us few favours

Griffiths had a poor might. Too selfish for my liking. Perhaps being a lone striker has resulted in bad habits emerging. He rarely made the most of those delivering late runs which blunted our effectiveness. Football intelligence anyone?

RD is not the man for this job. Not because of tonight specifically. He simply isn't a winner. Europe has now become the elephant in the room. We have forgotten how to win. We don't know how to win. And our run has created an inferiority complex. RD will not solve this as it is now a mentality thing. The job is indeed too big for him

Just my view

No wild panic. No flying kettles. Tonight ) given injuries) was a big ask despite poor quality opposition.

I just sense that RD no longer knows how to prepare his team mentally to win in Europe

He has a big match phobia and we need someone who can RESET the mentality for the must win matches.

26 Nov 2015 23:13:01
Who would you replace RD with and what message would it send to a new manager when his predecessor was sacked while at the top of the league and still in all domestic competitions.

26 Nov 2015 23:13:17
Paradise I agree with most of your post. ronnie says all the right things. He is now saying he will take us to CL next season. He says he can see the improvement and many fans will back him just on those remarks. Personally I think we have gone backwards. We are slowly getting worse game by game. Something in the squad is wrong! We did better in Europa league last season. Ronnie has signed 18 players. We should be doing better. Bottom of Europa League group. How much worse can it get?

26 Nov 2015 23:34:25
I would propose the following

Alex Neil
Eddie Howe
Alan pardew
Michael ONeill
Frank de boer
Brandon Rogers
Malky McKay
David moyes
Neil Lennon return
Henrik Larson

All have their back stories and issues BUT they are all head and shoulders above the current management team in terms of mentality

RD is not a winner. We no longer know what it takes to win a big match
Counter that argument IE he doesn't win the big ones

We are not composed
We are not brave
We are not improving
We are not mature in possession
We make the same mistakes
We lack personalities and characters
We lack leadership
We are not progressing week to week

We might be winning more than we are losing domestically but we SURELY need to aim higher

If I woke up tomorrow to RD gone and any one of the above appointed I'd be happier

For the avoidance of doubt I want RD to succeed. I just so happen to believe deep down that he won't achieve a level of performance and consistency that I personally would be satisfied with and I don't think he will take us through three knock out cup ties and deliver us in to the champions league and that is a worry.

26 Nov 2015 23:45:40
Malky McKay says it all really!

26 Nov 2015 23:55:25
The decline in three years has been incredible.
We cannot even do the basics all over the pitch and lack not only obvious quality, but organisation and leadership.
The fitness and stamina of the players is also very poor.

Yes, there was a lot of effort and sweat, but not enough composure, execution and far too many basic errors and these are fast becoming the trade mark of Deilas teams.
Ajax, like us are a shadow of their former selves, but they could find their men and defend much better than us.
Why he has stuck by Gordon this season is absurd and although we have found a gem in Tierney - we have signed three guys from Dundee Utd who - like the manager - are way out of their depth.

26 Nov 2015 23:59:15
Jesus Christ on a bike lol.
I never read what you said I'm laughing at your list still for different reasons, you know what they are 😂.

27 Nov 2015 00:06:23
Big bad and more to the point

How does RD compare to them

He wouldn't be near any list until we unearthed him you find the list funny

Explain why any on the list would be a poorer option to the current manager please?

Ready to be educated.

27 Nov 2015 00:07:51
He won't get sacked as he is still in a strong position domestically - so far - but the support expect Celtic to at least perform better in Europe, especially at home and especially when we are playing lower ranked opponents.
However I expect the fans will turn on him at any/every slip up from now on and attendances will drop even more.
We have become a joke in Europe under him and he should be honest enough to admit his failure and go.

27 Nov 2015 00:45:15
But the thing is, Ronnie is still learning, he is young, he is not upto the job, but do we want to throw him out with the bathwater, he is gaining experience, but he is not a manager, he is like jeremy corbyn, he knows what to say, but he does'nt know what to do, get someone in like terry venables (is he still alive? ) , or an older more experienced pensioner who know what he is talking about.

26 Nov 2015 22:21:57
Wasn't the worse performance we have had we where the better team individual error again costing us we had a few good chances.

26 Nov 2015 22:47:14
Individual errors every week and poor decision making be where does it end? What our measures for success?

26 Nov 2015 22:23:44
I know he isn't everyones cup of tea on here, but I have to say I agreed with everything chris sutton had to say after the game. You could see he was hurting as much as the fans at our once great club gets downgraded season after season. Like he said its not all ronnies fault nd the whole club need to take a look at themselves.

26 Nov 2015 22:40:33
Sutton has been right from day 1, a few eejits here will be critical of him for not supporting Ronnie. It's not about Ronnie it's about what's best for Celtic and the big man knows that doesn't involve the Norwegian. BRAVO BIG MAN 👏👏👏👏.

26 Nov 2015 22:59:18
Anybody that disagrees needs there head looked at lol
What Sutton is saying is what any proper fan/supporter can see anyway!
He's right most of the time same as the rest of us.
After Ronnys interview he won't be here much longer, but the board need to take a long hard look at themselfs and as for hanging Ronny out to dry?
I'm lost to what they want?

26 Nov 2015 23:06:34
He's spot on with everything he says. When he rhymed off all those signings it made me realise how average we are now.

26 Nov 2015 23:57:54
I respect Sutton as he has done it all and clearly has feelings for the club. As you guys have mentioned- he is only saying what the majority of supporters see themselves.

26 Nov 2015 22:10:20
First time ever RD has had a look of a worried

Listening to big Sutton and he is hitting the mark for me

At this juncture cannot see RD getting a third chance @ CL comp just my view.

26 Nov 2015 22:07:29
Ryt heer ah go ED. i don't usually comment on our perfomance. "usually" but the nyt. GMS has been ah "groupie" since we have signed him. chasing fans aroond the world to give them his signatuer! . never focusin on fitba. armstrong jus as bad. i remember the saviour ronny sayn our players r unfit under lenny! did u see our midfield burstin into the boax 2nd haf? . naw. neither did ah! . why do we have strikers or buy them to w8 on griffo gtn injured or play 2 up top. atleast if we play 2 up top the other strikers divin in wif evryfing to get in the box. soon as rogic n the rest seen the baw up ther. they wer lyk fek that! . that's no ma joab. poor performance wance again! . TBH bring bak LENNON. or sumwan that will scream at the players on the park! Instead of playn. ROCK. PAPER. SCISSORS! . Did u see the 3 of them in the dugoot. ronny ready to make the change. but collins wanted best oota 3! WE R CELTIC. WE DESERVE BETA.

HH

Chris1888.

26 Nov 2015 22:29:27
4got tae say. mulgrew walkin aff the park! Does he deserve ah clap or ah slap? .

Mines wid b. fek u! Leavin us bare bones! Our team comes first. even if u had fell oot wi the manager
. hope that tunnel leaded oot the exit door for him! .

HH

Chris1888.

26 Nov 2015 22:49:44
What happened with mulgrew I missed that.

26 Nov 2015 23:12:37
Gordo

He went off knackered after a seventeen minute festival of guile guts and outstanding endeavour. Poor lad. Amazed he had the energy to get up the tunnel

It was a weird substitute to begin with. I know he is poor but would ciftci not have been a better option and accept a more direct style for the last 25 minutes?

Anything to win really. We needed a bloody result. Full stop.

26 Nov 2015 23:15:31
He should NEVER set foot in Celtic again walking off is the last straw no matter what sh** he comes away with no professional should do that regardless of the reason I dearly hope that they get rid of him for that.

26 Nov 2015 23:21:39
I saw mulgrew walking off but wasn't sure cus I was at the bar and thought I had just missed a sub.

26 Nov 2015 23:39:53
I wish I was in a bar when he trooped off. Nae luck for me.

27 Nov 2015 00:43:54
Mulgrew seemed to decide to come off himself? I never saw him getting injured or even tackling for that matter and it's either a rat deserting the sinking ship or his wife told him to be hame by ten or he'd be locked oot?

26 Nov 2015 22:02:25
That is just what we all expected, defeat. Griffiths the new Commons, scared to pass a ball. Why oh why bring Mulgrew on? Allan made an impact just a pity it gave Ajax there winner.

I liked RD but this constant run of poor performance and results is getting me down soon enough I will stop watching completely.

I didn't like Lennon but Jeezo we are almost as bad as his last season.

26 Nov 2015 22:20:02
I thought we played no bad kev just need to be more clinical in front of goal.

26 Nov 2015 22:19:44
Wee would have won with Lenny.

26 Nov 2015 22:33:53
At times it was ok but that's all I can say.

26 Nov 2015 22:51:45
Our standards have sunk so low. Patches? All we need is to be more clinical? Are we serious?

If the coach cannot shut down or deal with rank defending or improving clinicalness or improving pitch intelligence etc then where does this leave us

We are my winners even at the EL level. Forget the ECL! We keep sinking and we keep making excuses.

Where will it stop?

26 Nov 2015 20:43:41
So typical and predictable every time in Europe. Early goal then panic sets in, possession is surrendered and stupid mistakes happen all over the pitch.
Then the mandatory comic defending with the goalkeeper looking suspect yet again.
Lustig has really went backwards this season and looks easy beat every time.
The young midfield are trying their best but we need more from Forrest and Armstrong and Griffiths in counter attacks.

26 Nov 2015 17:54:46
Evening Ed, What your thoughts on tonight's line up mate can't see him now Mulgrew due to match fitness, Efe although a more natural CDM to big a gamble IMO in Europe same reason a don't think he will pick Tierney due to being to being a make shift midfield

All that in mind if Allan does not feature tonight then you be right about him not fitting on especially as you will only get 60 mins out of KC IF fit!

Gordon, Lustig, Jozo, Boyata, Izzy / Armstrong, Allan / Rogic, Forrest, KC or GMS / Griffiths for me mate (y)

{Ed007's Note - I wouldn't be surprised if McGregor started next to Armstrong, Allan is more suited to playing in the middle of the attacking 3.}

26 Nov 2015 20:03:04
He's went with a very attacking, youthful and lightweight midfield and it could be very brave or just crazy - whatever your point of view?
It is a must-win regarding our European season goes and I know we have very limited alternatives but the experience of Izzaguire, Mulgrew and Ambrose may have counted, but those three do have a history of howlers in big games.
I am apprehensive, but hope the players give it their all and take this opportunity to prove the doubters wrong.

26 Nov 2015 13:20:27
Going tonight with the girls, not confident but I had an idea, why not play our entire U19 team as they proved last night they can win in europe, Ronnie hope you were there to witness a team with heart win.

26 Nov 2015 16:03:18
Honestly mate, that's got to be the most negative post yet from you Tim and there has been a few! Why even bother turning up then? to offer your support... Doubt it. You would rather have the under 19s playing! Get a grip mate.

26 Nov 2015 17:31:08
Usual negative Deila dig. Total disrespect towards Scott Brown who wears his heart on his sleeve every game.