Celtic Banter Archive May 26 2014

26 May 2014 17:43:22
Posted this the other night and wondered if anyone had anymore thoughts.
Anyone any idea what Roberto Di Matteo is doing right now? Do, you reckon he's a worthy candidate? European experience and worked to a tight budget at WBA. Learnt thro various managers at Chelski. Of all the names put forward how many have had European and domestic (UK) experience?

Di Matteo is on the old Gardening leave, technically still being paid by Chelsea until he is employed by a new club. I don't know exactly how it works, I just heard he had knocked back a few jobs because they didn't come close to what he was being paid by them - supposedly 60-80k per week. So I think it's fair to say we won't be going after him, Coyle sounds perfect, someone they can dictate to, partly control. Same old, same old.

Same as MacKay with Cardiff till he came to agreement with them a couple of weeks ago to terminate contract.Probably took a percentage of contracts value in a one off payment to free himself to take a new job.

Yeah exactly Marky - Stevie Clarke is actually in the same boat at West Brom, so I don't know if that would be of relevance to a potential deal with us. Anyway If he wanted it enough, he can simply walk away from a pay-off. To be fair though he might have been on a 3 year deal with West Brom at 20K(at least) a week, what will we be offering? With our lack of ambition, and love of the old sycophantic yes man type, we'll probably be offering about 10k a week.

26 May 2014 14:57:23
Next manager off Celtic will be Owen Coyle, personally I think that would be a huge mistake, I personally think McNamara should get it and that's coming from a Rangers fan. Ed who.would u like to see?

{Ed007's Note - Murat Yakin would be my choice.}

26 May 2014 16:48:03
going by the betting owen coyle is odds on with all that i'm aware but hope this is just early guessing by them

oscar garcia is down the list a bit mostly around 20/1

for those that love an underdog get on mourinho at 200/1 or the pope at 500/1

Pope Francis was the same odds as Danny Lennon, that's fantastic!

I don't think the odds the bookies are giving are based on any firm ideas or facts .

27 May 2014 03:24:20
yea they mustnt have any facts if there giving those sort of odds. stuck a sneaky fiver on pope francis ;)

lets get on it boys (coming from the man in the know)

26 May 2014 13:40:13
guys a lot of talk on here regardin kids not getting into the team last season, but who would you genuinely play? Apart from Henderson I don't see anyone good enough yet, ( Watt) I more than anyone want our youngsters to come thro but I don't see the talent yet.

{Ed007's Note - I'll say Eoghan O'Connell, Darnell Fisher, Marcus Fraser, John Herron, the Twardziks and Holmbert Fridjonsson. You aren't going to see young talent if the manager doesn't promote it, Ray.}

Yeah I seen all of these players ed, do you genuinely think they are good enough for our 1st team.If your good enough your old enough that always been my thoughts and none of these are good enough. Yet.To be fair fisher has had games and done well but he is no Matthews or Lustig.

{Ed007's Note - We'll never know if they don't play games, do you think we would lose to lower league teams like Partick with 1 or 2 of them playing in the first-team? If it doesn't work out they are worth more money because they have played in the first team and if it does work out we've we've strengthened the squad from our own academy without forking out money on fees etc.}

You cannot play young players just because they impress in youth matches. Managers see how they perform in in-house matches with first team squad .

26 May 2014 15:09:18
has anyone heard if fisher is to be offered a new contract? he was great when he came into the team

there is quite a lot of youth players that I think can do it in the first team. really keen to see if tony watt will be given a shot. will be really disappointed if he's over looked but surely everyone will start afresh again

Fair point ed, we would win these games with 1 or 2. But my real point here is they are not good enough. They have to better themselves, and I do not want Celtic to be known as a club that plays players because their young I want to be known as a club that plays players because their good no matter their age.Remember you can also ruin players at a young age by putting them in too early.

{Ed007's Note - There comes a point in young players development that they have to start playing matches at a higher level or they just stagnate. It's not going to happen but how good would a Dundee Utd team be in 3/5 years if they kept all their quality youngsters? If we are only producing a player every few years, McGeady and Forrest then there is something far wrong.
Remember you can also ruin young players by not giving them their chance to prove themselves, without testing them you don't know how they will react physically and mentally.
If there's no chance of breaking into the first team squad their heads are down from the get go of another season playing reserve/under-21 football.
Do you think NL's CV will have a tick at the 'Youth Development' box when he is applying for jobs? He had 4 years at the club to bring youngsters through and all we have to show is Forrest, who's basically muck apart from he can run, sheer athleticism over ability is stifling the game in Scotland.
James Forrest is 23 this summer and has played a total of 126 matches (81 league matches) for us, James McCarthy turned 23 in November and has played 282 matches (149 matches in the EPL and 37 in the SPL).
I'm not saying fill the team with youngsters but we have to give them the chance to step-up, it's the only way to see how good/bad they are. In these prudent financial times it is even more important to produce your own talent, even Man City are investing millions in their youth program and you will see the fruition of that in a few years, look at teams on the continent, Barca, Real, Dortmund etc all produce their own players to form the base of their squad mixed with quality signings to take them to the next level.
If it's good enough for teams like those I've mentioned above, and add in teams like Man Utd and Liverpool who have a long history of producing young players, it's surely good enough for us.
The fans expectations is a problem as well, they would rather see a fancy named average foreigner who cost X millions than see one of our own youngsters promoted, it's seen as stinginess from the board by some.
We used to be well known for producing young players and it's been allowed to stall over the last 10?? 20?? years in favour of spending on average players, even without his injury did we need to sign Steven Mouyokolo? Surely that spot in the squad would have been better served by a youngster getting used to being around the first team squad, learning the differences of being in the first-team squad and being in the reserves and even getting some game time?
I'm no fan of Mulgrew but what made him a better player? Did he work with better coaches or have better facilities at Wolves or Aberdeen, or was it that he was playing week in and week out and learning to play at higher level. Right I'm off to eat now!!}

26 May 2014 12:51:25
Why is everybody going nuts for Garcia when he has done nothin in the game coaching wise he talks a good game but then so could anybody. Mally67

He dominated the Israeli Premier League with Maccabi Tel Aviv, winning it unchallenged as they finished well ahead of their rivals on points with the most goals scored n fewest conceded. He then guided Brighton to the Championship Play-Off's despite being limited to free transfers n loan deals. He was also a youth coach with Barcelona n Catalunya. All of that on top of playing attractive football n speaking a good game. I think this guy is a real gem.

He seems to be a good shout although I worry about his win ratio.

I wouldn't read into that too much - 25 wins, 5 draws, 6 defeats in 36 games with Maccabi Tel Aviv isn't much too worry about; 21 wins, 16 draws, 16 defeats in 53 games with Brighton as I say with no budget against richer teams like Leicester, QPR, etc ain't too bad.

26 May 2014 11:10:16
Celtic should go all out and go for Oscar Garcia he's young ambitious and plays football the correct way. A couldn't care less if he's never been to a Celtic game in his life we should be thinking outside the box and not focusing on someone who has a Celtic connection. Garcia would sell season books and have us playing fantastic football

26 May 2014 05:34:04
How would people feel about Morten Wieghorst? seen him name being mentioned this morning

His name was posted here a while ago.Seems to have a good solid start to his coaching career and has a track record with youths. Might be a shout.

Would take him as assistant manager