Celtic Banter Archive July 26 2011

 

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26 Jul 2011 20:55:34
Hey all, love some o the stuff on here lightens up the day a bit, even the guff so well done eds for keeping it mostly clean and fun and what it should be about BANTER gentle ribbing etc just gotta say, watching the gers tonight saw the sea of blue in the stands, made me think oh dear this new strip is selling well maybe they will have a wwarchest afterall but oh no its empty seats did no one tell them ite NEXT week they are banned?? lol

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26 Jul 2011 18:44:58
ed Hibs got back to me and to be honest it was pretty much sweep under the rug response.
Thanks for your email and I am sorry you did not have a good experience on Saturday.

Your points about the singing are noted, and have been passed on to the security team for reference. They in turn advised that the Police saw no reason, and took no action or made any arrests made in relation to the singing on Sunday. This despite the heightened attention due to the recent Joint Action Group.

The Stewards in the home stand will be focused on the safety and security of supporters in that stand.

I hope you will return to Easter Road in the future. We run many Hibs Kids Days and Family Fun days throughout the season.

Thanks again for writing in.

Regards
Fife

needless to say I was not impressed. I sent back a response basically saying check the cctv for the first 5 mins of the game or the films from the people who were actually recording it all (thinking of the cameras really annoyed me as it felt like i was being told i was a liar by my own club). let me know if u wanna be kept posted on it.

Saucy Sauzee {Ed007's Note - Yes, please keep me updated on it.}

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Sauzee - Well done dude , i saw your posts previously and thought at last someone willing to at least do something yes you have been fobbed off we just need more people trying to do something whenever this stupidity raises its ugly head, which is sadly more often than not these days may these idiots get back under their rocks and let football get back to being what its meant to be about sportsmanship and the enthralling battle of ( supposedly) elite athletes everyone needs to get on the same hymn sheet (hope that's not sectarian lol) and stamp this nonsense out for good

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26 Jul 2011 18:32:09
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Disagree totally with you tony. Why would the police edit footage relating to pretty much the number 1 social issue our county has? How would that act as a deterrent? You do know its the police doing the filming and not a shady reporter or media corporation? Sorry tone
jamie mac

sorry Jamie i did not know you were referring to police video i was talking about sky coverage. misunderstanding m8


Tony

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26 Jul 2011 15:03:13
Very strong rumours coming through that Peter Lawwell's chips are ready. If this is the case anybody who wants some better get in there first before the big food destroyer scoffs the lot.

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U must have the best patter in ur scheme ya walloper

viewparkbhoy

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26 Jul 2011 14:09:16
well what a day its been on here eh ed .... they have been keeping you busy it seems...

Just purely looking at this site you can see the problem perfectly..... Ther is no denying rangers and celtic fans (not all of them obv) sing songs they shouldnt.

The problem comes from the fact that fans and u can see them on here will not admit to it OR "claim" they never heard any of it or didnt partake in it.

It would seem (i wouldnt know) that some fans are saying the singing didnt happen and far too many celts are on here today saying it did (too much for it to be some sorta gers conspiracy) you know what i mean gers fans jumpin on here lol

It will take a fair few years to drill outta our support but it will happen.

I wasnt at the game at the weekend but two of my mates were and they described the songs as being "a crackin atmosphere" and here is the problem whats offensive to some is music to ears of another. {Ed007's Note - Until there are set guidelines the boundaries will always be blurred. There are plenty of Irish songs that can be sung i.e. Let the People Sing, This Land is Your Land etc that have no religious/political undertones and always get a rousing rendition by the CFC support, these are the types of songs that should be concentrated on IMO. The IRA aren't the be all and end all of Irish heritage.}

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26 Jul 2011 12:37:26
tried to post yesterday just to know how many of my fellow tims on here are going to dublin at the weekend for the pre-season party? wee question ed do you have any idea how many tickets have been sold for the inter game saturday?

wee1888 {Ed007's Note - Sorry, I have no idea.}

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26 Jul 2011 12:23:33
Disagree totally with you tony. Why would the police edit footage relating to pretty much the number 1 social issue our county has? How would that act as a deterrent? You do know its the police doing the filming and not a shady reporter or media corporation? Sorry tone
jamie mac

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That tony guy never said police he said sky

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All this debate about what is OK at least we as Celtic fans will question it, do you think for one moment they would be having this debate on gers site NO Way
These guys Tony and Billyboy only want to slag OUR fans let them look at their fans behaviour is it not Tony that Rangers fans are banned from travelling for singing sectarian songs. Celtic fans will police themselves sadly Rangers fans such as Tony, Billyboy dont condemn gers fans singing their songs ILWT

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Get your facts right first mate. If you look the day after the Stirling game we were all condoning the behaviour of the fans including Timalloy. Both teams have a problem of course I was just responding to people who were saying there wasnt any unacceptable songs on Sunday when clearly oh ah up the ra could be heard a minute into the game. I'm always on here having banter with all the celtic fans that have names.

Billyboy1

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Both teams have a problem but Celtic's problem is not as severe. Celtics away support chant IRA songs as well as a very tiny minority of the home support (always the same one song and it usually kills the atmosphere). These songs are sung because some of our fans feel a certain way about a political matter, usually because they have an irish rooting/irish relatives etc. Rangers bad songs though, do not support a cause etc. but simply convey the message that they hate catholics and catholics are not welcome. And IMO celtic would never stoop to the shambolic episode of taking eggs benedict off the menu because of the new catholic leader. Things are not THAT bad in our case.
Kevbhoy

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To the half wit that stated i only come on here to slag of Celtic fans get a grip m8 i am the first on here to condemn rangers fans for singing sectarian bile i have a Zero tolerance for anything bigoted or sectarian regardless of which Moron sings it

Tony

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26 Jul 2011 12:01:58
So nameless poster, where is a reference to lennon, lawwell et al condemnin what we sung on sunday? Havent came across that and my point bout the songs was that they were allowed, nothing else. You dont want me at games? Couldnt care less rat features because its you who shouldnt be at the games, you are creating problems where no authorities have them. Take your crusade Elsewhere
jamie Mac

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I didnt say that came out and said it after the game please take your time to read my post properly please. I said they have come out and asked us not to sing them. Lennon said it at the end of last season many times FFS you know this why argue it?

If trying to create a friendly atmosphere to watch football and follow football with my boy is a problem for you then there is very little i can do. the ed hasnt posted my post showing a link to fans organising the singing (maybe wont post this one too now) perhaps it was because of the link ? Crusade ? is it really a crusade that i want songs about football and celtic sung I couldnt give a hoot about catholicism, Ireland etc last time i checked i was watching FOOTBALL in SCOTLAND. Im pretty sure there are many songs that are not deemed illegal that i would get into trouble for singing if i choose to do so. So becuase there is no law against it you feel its right ?

ps my name is Marc although cant see what difference that would make? {Ed007's Note - I didn't not post it Marc, you must have left the http// part in the address, the spam filters cut that out, start the link with the www part.}

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Ahh kl kl ed ill redo it .... i also asked if it was possible to post videos although it does contain the songs talked about being sung at easter road .....

link was
www.talkceltic.net/forum/showthread.php?t=107866

{Ed007's Note - It is fine to post links to articles, videos etc. but I can't see a video on that link.}

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Ps Jamie i could make up a song right now that would be allowed at parkhead but since it has only JUST been written means its ok to sing at our games purely cos it hasnt been banned yet?

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26 Jul 2011 11:47:38
Thats your own experiences though i know others will share them ed. Mass has nothing to do with it, sectarian events has increased recently with those attending religious ceremonies decreasin, so a agree that aint the cause. There is anti-catholic issues throughout jockland, not as prevalent these days, but still there. Feelings of injustice can create monsters, so maybe the problem Stems from higher
jamie mac {Ed007's Note - Yes Jamie, and these feelings of bitterness and hatred are passed down form one generation to the next by their parents and fuelled by peer pressure. There is no shame in having beliefs and political views but singing about them in a football stadium has no place in a modern society. It is not only a footballing problem as I have said on many occasions, it is a social problem in Scotland and the only way that it will be eradicated is by education and teaching tolerance to all race and creeds.}

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26 Jul 2011 11:46:05
Morning Ed007, Tony and gang going away for few days so no more posts after this one. Mrs tim put ban on laptop cannot think why?

I agree with Tony, we all know ourselves what songs are OK and what are not, lets use our common sense. Bhoys as other guy says put it to bed and lets stop arguing among ourselves.

Ed saw stupid rumours about "Arab" putting £45m into club where is Goodwillie going to get that amount of money

Tony see if your lot bite Just posted that Disney Corporation are interested in renaming Ipox as gers are MICKEY MOUSE CLUB LOL Timalloy {Ed007's Note - Have a nice break Tim mate, sounds like you aren't taking care of Mrs Tim ;-)

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26 Jul 2011 11:37:54
The video recordings are here to stay ed, done it at firhill also, at first a was outraged but startin to realise that it will put an end to false claims of sectarian singing which appear regularly. A mean i could have posted i was a hearts fan and the signing at the next n.c.p was terrible on saturday then this false claim would be in the public domain. Innocent til proven eh? Cameras help in this instance Jamie mac {Ed007's Note - There were no arrests at the game which is a good sign and maybe the police are hoping that the fans will help quash any sectarian singing themselves hence avoiding any fans/police confrontation. TBH I thought it was "oh ah Samaras" that was being sung, and that is not me making any excuses, it is just my own opinion, everyone knows how I feel about sectarian singing by both sides.}

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I would not put much faith in video coverage as remember the remembrance day minute of silence when a small section of Celtic fans booed throughout the minute and sky admitted to editing it out

A Sky source says:

Our sound technicians at all the games we cover have the ability to mute any chants or songs which could cause offence. That was clearly the case here although the silence was observed by the vast majority of all the fans inside the ground.

as i stated before i spoke to three of my brother in-laws who were at the game two said yes there was a very small group that tried it but were drowned out the third brother in-law said and i Quote "yea big deal 1ra all the way get it up yous" (moron) but lets just make this clear a very very small group of morons do not represent the majority of Celtic supporters

Tony

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26 Jul 2011 11:30:03
Finally ed someone who is prepared to use the brain rather than just makin stuff up. Of course they would have video evidence which could not be disputed, fact is they dont cause it did not happen. I have no time for people tryin to shame me and us when i and us do not merit it; still think the bigotry created at home comment is not at all close to bein accurate though. Too simplistic
jamie mac

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26 Jul 2011 11:14:47
Ed, why do people keep saying that we need a big target man? Surely a big target man is the primary weapon of the long ball merchant? We do not play that way. I want to see Celtic play a decisive passing game utilizing pace and strikers that latch on to through balls through the channels. Thats the Celtic way. I'd hate to go back to MON style hoofball. Having players like Commons, Izzy, and Ki would be a waste if we started hoofing balls up to a Sutton typed player. {Ed007's Note - It is just to give us a different option, someone to knock the ball down for Hooper or MFs arriving in the box late etc.}

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We all love the style Lenny and his team have brought to celtic park. But thats the problem, we dont play at celtic park every week. We saw last season at fir park that its not always possible to play attractive football in certain grounds and thats why we need the option of a target man.
Kevbhoy

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100% spot on Kevbhoy.

Motherwell, ICT & Hearts last year proved that point. Can't play same way week in, week out, it's too predictable.

We defo need that option, De Negris for me if we can pull it off, part-ex Samaras in the deal and that's my summer made.

Shaunybhoy

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Spot on kevbhoy we need to mix it a little at some places jon daly be ma choice just now as sub not a fortune but a handfull?probs not but we defo need a guy who can come on and wont be afraid to take the knocks- taking it into feet then folow up by bhoys behind him,
thinking we wont get de negris , gaffer may have to make do wi murphy and 20 min's sammi
ktf davybhoy

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Kev you have just stopped me gettin off ma soap box, summed it up perfectly remember m-oneil every game was the same , same team, same tactics etc , sure we were successful but at what cost ? much rather see quick entertaining footie good movement is the key interchanging etc. dont you agree guys ??????
marty bhoy evening big ed hows you? {Ed007's Note - I'm good thanks Marty.}

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26 Jul 2011 11:13:57
Minority? You cant criminalise someone when no crime has been committed ya munter. Ed i know that this is a banter forum but surely if your goin to allow claims of bigotry we should have evidence seen as the police were video recording, 2ft away from me, the whole game? Of course, also you say bigotry is produced at home, that comment deeply offends me as it is to broad a generalisation surely?
jamie mac (never been one for croppy lie down) {Ed007's Note - Well I went to an RC school and still attend Mass and celebrate other RC events. In my youth I sang along with everyone else standing in The Jungle, but the songs we sang then were not taught to me by any teacher or priest, my family and friends gave me records and tapes and my parents allowed me to listen to them. My political outlook on life and my beliefs have never changed but my way of expressing myself has matured, and I now realise that because I know the words to ROH etc does not make me a better person. The world has moved on now and even the Queen has laid a wreath at the Garden of Remembrance in Dublin.}

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Nobody has called you a bigot jamie the arguement stems from you freely admitting your happy to sing songs that CELTIC ie OUR CLUB has asked us not to sing futhermore you also said that our support were not singing these songs when Hibs fans, celtic fans and MYSELF were all there and witnessed it. Now no-one is saying here that it was the whole crowd but 1RA songs and chants were being sung before the game and during the first half (didnt hear any in 2nd half but i also left with bout 6 mins left) I Hibs fan came on yesterday complaingin about our songs and as you can see has contacted his club cos he had a 5 yr old boy there and any sane person can tell you that Easter road particularly in the build up to the game was not a place for a young boy. I just want this season to be about the football for a change ? is that so hard the bhoys look good this year, lets make it about the football not about what we can and cant get away with

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Picture this, I brought two of my mates up to watch a Celtic game a few yrs back, trophy day against the Hearts (lost 1-3 if I remember rightly) but the sun was out and we'd won the league. Great day all round til.......

We're walkin out the ground and two young ghirls (bout 13-14 yr old) wandered past us singing "we luv the RA".

My mates just looked at me and said "Fu@k me mate what the hell is that about". They're Utd fans, I wanted to show them summat special, oh aye, dead special.

I didn't know where to look.

We talk about the Shame on here regularly, FFS peeps the old head in the sand mentality is wearing pretty thin IMO. Grow up and move on, the rest of the world has, well most of it.

Shaunybhoy - Can't deny it, won't deny it.

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26 Jul 2011 11:08:19
I find it ironic im bein accused of draggin our club through the gutter when some of us are creating problems and issues. Noone in authority at celtic or otherwise has made any reference to singing on sunday, why? Nothin to report or it would have been. There is no validity over claims of dodgy chants etc, who other than the self riteous holier than thou tubes on here
jamie mac {Ed007's Note - The police had enough cameras filming the CFC fans so anything untoward must be caught on them. Why the police felt the need for 5/6 officers recording the CFC support should be more of a concern IMO. It is down to what is actually deemed sectarian, there is a copy of the e-mail the BBC sent out to people who complained about their presenters during the Scottish Cup final in the CFC News section:

www.celticrumours.co.uk/celtic-news/celtic-news213.php

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Jamie simple question has lenny and the board asked us to stop singing they songs? I aint disputing what white tape i can tip toe over and what has and hasnt been classified. Technically and pro Nazi songs have not been banned but they wouold not be allowed. As the ed said there must be a reason that police film the games (not just our crowds ed the other sides annol). We have been asked to not sing them Jamie you think otherwise, its a terrible example you are setting to our younger impressionable support and I for one dont want you there if this is the way you act at the games. Funnily enough i think you might tend to sing these songs a lot more at away games than homes games.... just a hunch

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26 Jul 2011 10:18:10
And before the comments come rollin in bout lyrics to these songs, i would take this chance to remind the unwashed amongst us that its is government guidelines and initiatives which deem these songs NOT to be offensive. If its within their rules its within their rules. So dont come postin s**te bout songs you would prefer not to hear if there allowed. A dont moan bout july12th, why? Because its allowed . Jamie mac

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FFS jamie our club, fans, chairman & lenny have all come out and asked us not to sing the bloody songs. Stop draggin our club thro the gutter FFS

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Well i would say that Jamie has defo just shown his colours

Jamie = the minority

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Any songs that refer to the needless bloodshed inflicted on the people of Ireland whether it be the gloryfing the murderous actions of the 1ra or the u*f should be banned from all football grounds these are football grounds not places to vent political beliefs and make martyrs out of murderers.

Tony

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Jamie Jamie Jamie we don't need old firm fans like yourself.

Billyboy1

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Before berrating Jamie, what exactly has he done wrong? ROH and boys of the old brigade are not deemed sectarian songs by the authorities. As a footnote i would say that i am a law abiding citizen who views these songs as an important piece of our heritage that highlights a peoples struggle against oppression...... the very reasons whty Celtic were formed. Some people jump on the PC band wagon far too quickly

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2 mins into the game and I could clearly hear oh up the ra at the end of We're on the road to Paradise.

Hugh Dallas

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26 Jul 2011 09:59:33
Absolutely nothing wrong with the singing at the game yesterday. No arrests, cautions - nothing. A heard nothing a wouldnt sing myself which a did. Thoroughly enjoyed the day out to the capital tbh
jamie mac(not havin it)

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Jamie this isnt true and if you were at the game you will know fine well. I was at the game (hibee) and was no more than a stones throw from the celtic fans before the game and during the the first the chants were pretty bad. I was saying this yesterday... An enviroment I simply do not want my son to be part of.

ed I have sent an email to Hibs regarding the stewarding in both my stand and the celtic stand if/when i get a reply ill keep you posted.

Saucy Sauzee {Ed007's Note - Well done, you might not make a difference in the bigger picture but bringing your son up to respect all race and creed is doing your bit IMO. Sectarianism is taught in the home, not in schools etc as some would like us to believe, it is a parents values that are passed onto their children.}

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26 Jul 2011 09:59:33
Kayal was superb at Easter Road, granted it was against a poor Hibees but I reckon the guy has been reading his own press and reckons there are rows of EPL scouts watching every Hoops game just for him and he will be off his mark in this 'window'.
His attitude certainly seemed to change close season
Just hope we get another gem in the middle of the park to replace him as it gives Brown a bit of pressure to perform.
Another thing that worries me is the amount of 'Friendlies' we have crammed into a season that started unusually early; yes it may improve sharpness but there is the risk of injury to players not at their peak etc. On the other hand I suppose it puts fringe players in the shop windae? Anyway:-
In Lennon We Trust


Jinky Fan

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26 Jul 2011 09:36:23
Mark and Jamiemac you should put this one to bed guys as you are never gonna agree and now its becoming tit for tat (you did this but then you did that)
lets face it guys as far as away some supporters from both teams are concerned they will sing whatever they please.

Jamie my wife comes from a big family and they all support Celtic (except her and one other sister) 3 of her brothers were at the game and they all said certain songs where being sung in fact the youngest admitted he was singing them personally as he sees nothing wrong with it (he has very bigoted views and cant stand me cause i aint RC)

as for you Mark

my son Mark(sons name) was at the Blackpool game and he told me a very small section of the fans were trying to sing the Billy Boys fortunately for us the majority of non bigoted fans managed to drown them out.

both Rangers and Celtic will have this problem mainly from a section of the away fans all season its up to the police and stewards at these clubs to stamp on it Both Rangers and Celtic are doing what they can to eradicate it from Celtic Park and Ibrox.

just remember guy just because YOU didn't see or hear something happen don't mean it never happened

NON OF US CAN SEE AIR BUT IF IT WEREN'T THERE WE WOULD BE F*CKED LOL

Tony

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26 Jul 2011 09:23:12
Stop kiddin yourselfs on folks, if there was anythin untoward happening on sunday the media etc would have been all over it as per usual. As for the roll of honour read up on the governments definition on what qualifies as sectarian or bigoted. Even the boys of the old brigade does not come under the bigoted banner. So have something proper(justified) to moan about
jamie mac(reads up on things 1st)

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