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25 Sep 2013 23:25:06
final point on last night was nl comments that he was "disappointed but would get over it" if we are not interested in lge cup let the punters know and in for free and just play the youth my son asked me last night " do you think I ever see celtic win the lge cup"
What did you tell your son? Would be interested in your answer. Are you ying or yang?, ., .kbarry
25 Sep 2013 23:17:31
Some of you have probably seen the video on the Guardian web site today:
www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/25/revealed-qatars-world-cup-slaves
As someone who worked in Kuwait and was subject to the same visa restrictions, I can vouch for this reality - but its more general than this as I'm sure some of us know.
We're a unique club, and this concerns us - the Corinthians of Europa. This is SO far from the Celtic way, I wonder if there isn't something we could do as fans to address this injustice - or at least acknowledge it. Especially some of our more militant fans - who know how to make their point better than I. {Ed007's Note - The Qatar WC is a farce but this takes it to an all new level. Absolutely disgusting, and yet some people are moaning about players not wearing sponsored multi-coloured laces.}
Thanks Ed007.
The most telling story I heard was of the construction workers on the towers in Dubai, I think. They would spend so long in the sun that they would stop urinating. For months. There's actually never been more human slavery than now - that is the saddest fact.
b
I agree with Ed regarding the whole Qatar debacle from the bribe allegations to the holding it in a City that at the moment does not exist to the pushing for winter time.
However, the modern day slavery is outrageous and it will be very interesting to see FIFA's response now that agencies such as Anti-Slavery International are involved!
I lived in Dubai for years. Used to se the poor sods getting bussed around in old buses with bars on the windows, no Air con. It used to actually be cattle like open trucks until expats complained. Scandouls, but as long a ronaldo can earn a million a week or whatever it is now things in football are rosey eh? HH joe
I just read that article. Appalled. Great idea to show some sort of solidarity with these guys. This isn't what football or Celtic is about. No way. HH joe
The world cup bid process was the biggest rort of all time. Being an Aussie I was beside myself when we didn't win the bid. But for it to go to Qatar made no financial sense, which is the knid of sense FIFA seem to like. Of all the bids the one that would have made the most money was the US bid. They didn't have to build anything. They probably would have, but the infrastructure was there. Sepp and his mates are eyeballs deep in it, but it seems there is no one that can ask the question. A law unto themselves, and if the european bodies vote for the change to winter then they are effectively voting for corruption at the highest level. It's a disgrace.
Melb Bhoy
@5. You've hit the nail on the head there. They want to be the guys who can make a decision which gives a green light to massive construction projects. Kickback heaven.
Ive lived and worked all over the Middle East. This 'revalation' has been going on for years. If it was not for the Indians, Pakistanis, and all the other 3rd world (high populations, low pay and conditions) who take on all the labouring jobs, the middle East would collapse. Oil rig workers grumbling about having to work 2 weeks on/off schedule. some of these guys sign up for 2-3 years on the rig. If they go home before the 2years they pay their own way. I won't ramble on as this is a football banter site but you get the drift. If this is all 'NEWS' to the committees and press then it does not say much for investigative journalists and reporters! (ed, another rant over. Thanks for the safety valve outlet) TinyTim {Ed007's Note - It's cool mate. Rants are always welcome on anything that is topical, and the original story is football related.}
25 Sep 2013 20:26:07
Ya like no other top club lost to a low club eh, you see upsets all the time like fa cup in England where man utd, arsenal Liverpool and clubs like them lose and they have quality players and the best in the world. Just like barca, Madrid, bayern and the list goes on, people need to relax and stop thinking this is nl or the boards fault when it's just sport! Yes maybe in hindsight things should be different. So many were saying let new guys and youth play, they did and now sack everyone for a one off. We beat barca and they have 100 times the worth of players then us, we shocked the world a bigger upset then morton, did messi or anyone else get sacked or the fans calling out sack everyone? No cause its SPORT! You win and lose, stop crying calm down, people just sound dumb saying sack everyone. But cause some never happy and love to stick to only the negative
25 Sep 2013 18:30:35
Betting on snooker 12 year ban.
Betting on football 3 match ban?
Hmmmmm
Lenny
Yep. Special rules for specific people playing for specific teams. Only in Scotland Eh. JK
One convicted of match fixing, the other scored to put his club ahead in a game he had bet on to be a draw.
Gaz. {Ed007's Note - Both are still against the rules and Black broke them 160 times that we know of.}
Come on ed, let's try and stop being a smart ass, one convicted of match fixing (against himself how often) which almost certainly had a greater impact on the normal punter against the one 160 times (3 of which was against his own team ) which means 157 times in the same way that I gaurantee 90% of professionals, juniors and amateurs (all of whom come under the rules) do every week, it is so easy when you are in charge to post meaningless figures without posting responses. {Ed007's Note - Have you ever heard the saying 'Two wrongs don't make a right' or did your mammy never say to you 'If X jumped in the Clyde would you do it?'.
Rules are there for a reason, my own personal opinion is that gambling is for mugs, obviously you like a punt yourself.}
He is a punt(C) Ed, and is your ass smart?, ., .kbarry {Ed007's Note - I've no idea mate, I don't go in for all those back-door shenanigans. And I wouldn't know how to stop it being smart if it is, change from wearing boxers to Union Jack Y-fronts perhaps..}
Players break the rules every week. Fouls are rule breaches. {Ed007's Note - Seriously? You must be as bright as a Pot Noodle coming out with that guff.}
25 Sep 2013 17:10:03
Really wish fans would stop going on about Finbogasson. We didn't sign him and none of us know if he was ever interested. Celtic may have got a flat no from him or his agent or quoted ridiculous wages. Nobody knows so get over it and get behind what's there. Reading from so called fans that we replaced our striker with a cheap alternative, did Pukki not cost about the same as Hooper cost us. The jury is still out on the players we've signed (of course it is this early in the season) but talk of sacking the manager and the players are all garbage is nonsense.
Last night was a shocking result but these things happen in cup football. There was so much moaning on here after we got nothing in Milan, but why should we have a right to get points in San Siro but Morton not have the right to turn us over at Parkhead. They got one chance and took it and we aren't taking our chances at the moment. that's football. Whatever happened to being supporters, all I hear from my fellow tims at the moment is moaning and its starting to do my tits in.
Hey Jeff. Fin finn finnb finnb finnbo finbogasson, ., .kbarry
25 Sep 2013 13:55:04
Lenny playing all those new guys in a cup game was wrong strategy. Ok in SPL but not knock out cup game. It was like a new team unplayed together. Couple that with fact he knows he doesn't have a goalscorer and it was another forty year record flushed Down the S bend. Inconsistency due to poor judgement, underestimating opposition blights Lennon's tenure. Complacency is apparent at Parkhead. The manager has to shoulder this and the 2-0 defeat in Milan. Very very poor results recently.
25 Sep 2013 08:40:58
Morning Ed,
Guess it was a long night for you chasing trolls!.
Luckily the Geeks didn't get around to doing the Celtic Player ratings facility yet, man it would not have made pleasant reading this morning. {Ed007's Note - We're still setting the ratings section up but it would not have made good reading at all.
That result last night was an embarrassment, it's about time NL grew a pair and came out and publicly say performances like that are not acceptable at CFC. Far too many players are playing in their comfort zone and the rest aren't getting enough game time to help them properly gel into the first-team squad.
IMO every member of our first-team squad should be at least playing between 15-20 games per season, with the exception of the GK position. That way players could be rotated without any major disruption to the playing style and the team's ethos.}
25 Sep 2013 13:39:36
I'm glad we got Henrik when we did. if we had signed him at present, most folk on here would have labelled him a dud before he got going.
Briggs
Spot on briggs
Dannybhoy
Well said Briggs. Okay we lost last night but have bigger fish to fry. I support our team win, lose or draw and support our bhoys and manager exclusively. Julieghirl
Got to say king henrik was a dud in first few weeks remember his 1st game, then the the best player of my gen, ., .kbarry
@3 that's my whole point entirely, when he gave the ball away to chic charley v hibs everyone was saying " who the fux this guy" but he was given the time time to settle, and .the rest they say is history!
Briggs
25 Sep 2013 13:09:20
IMHO Neil Lennon has got to go, he has been in charge for some on the worst results possible, this is not a knee jerk reaction but stating fact, Morton, Ross Co. twice, Karagangy away even St Mirren in lasts years league cup semi. These are matches that Celtic should not be losing. Not to be disrespectful to the league but domestically with rangers no more, we should be expecting trebles or at worst cup final defeats.
Last season was terrible, bar 1 game.
Think managing Celtic, til the rebirth, will be easiest job in football
Dungannon Celts
We should be delivering domestic trebles these years.
Does he want out of diddy cup congestion? Is that the strategy? Don't risk Europe and SPL due to league cup!
Dungannon if anyone needs to go its you
Dannybhoy
DUNGannon please name his replacement and be honest with yourself, ., .kbarry
Last season was terrible bar one game . I take it you mean the defeat of Barcelona . One game FFS . Spartak twice even the defeats in the CL were great games, Cup final, comeback against Aberdeen . I saw plenty of good games last season . DH
Won the league and Scottish Cup double (a competition Rangers were in) and last 16 of the Champions League with 10 points from the group.
Oh I just hate terrible seasons like that pppffft
25 Sep 2013 11:54:52
bad result last night obviously, not lenny or the boards fault, players bad attitude a swift boot up the erchie needed, 29 or there about's corners and can't make one count, End of the day think of the team that will win it this year could be a big day to remember for one of them possibly, not the end of the world for us
Spot on col
Dannybhoy
25 Sep 2013 11:48:30
Celtic seem to be creating plenty chances at the moment but not taking them, this is the story of our season so far. For those who backed the boards decision not to push the boat out for a goalscorer, ie Finnbogason, this is the results of selling a poacher and buying cheap! Losing at home to Morton is completely unacceptable, wages should be docked for results like that!
Get over Finbogson, as for the players getting docked that ain't a bad idea
Dannybhoy
FFs give the players who signed a chance to settle in first, before you moan about the players we didn't sign!
Briggs
@2 These player paid like superheroes, they should be able to play wi 10 strangers down a local bing. I'm not buying this "they need to settle" excuse!
Neil Lennon was quoted on 19th August stating he had a settled team so that excuse is out the windae! "We haven't had much time to gauge but I am very happy with the way the squad has settled.
"I have liked the camaraderie between the players and the new boys have settled in very well."
@3&4 So both you guys know what it's like to up sticks and move to a foreign country to work at a very young age? Of course NL is going to say they are settling in well, do you expect him to say anything different? My post above about Henrik has guys like you in mind.
Briggs
25 Sep 2013 11:12:32
We lose gallantly to top European sides and for many fans that seems almost like a victory which disguises the overall poor form. The tolerance of Celtic fans is tested more often than it should be for a club of our stature. Last night left me shaking my head. Again.
The players and Lenny (along with the board) have to accept a big part of the responsibility for last night's debacle. And with all due respect to Morton, we should always have a squad that is good enough to make sure they are sent home with well kicked arses.
There's no point anyone saying "stop moaning and get behind the team" because that is what we have all done for far too long. Ruud Gullit told it straight when we said we don't take our chances. Good quality players do take their chances. We give teams too many chances to score and that's a simple fact. It's almost ok to do that when you are scoring at the other end. But we are not. Next weeks game against Barca is looking ominous. Some fans seem to think we're easily going to do them over like we did last year but perhaps a reality check is needed. Remember, the two goal scorers from that game are gone. Good teams are consistently good and we are neither good nor consistent at the moment. The reason? Quality players. It's always the same reason.
Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy
25 Sep 2013 10:32:56
Even before Hooper was sold we were guilty of wasting tons of chances in many, many games; so this is a long standing problem that the manager has struggled with.
The lack of composure and clinical finishing is apparent every week - no matter who we play - and the lack of goals from midfield and set-plays is a result of poor preparation and coaching on the training pitch.
The blatant exclusion of Balde is also an open admission of poor judgement in the transfer window and a lack of confidence in a player supposedly bought as a striker?
But we still should have had enough about us to win!
The squad has been vastly reduced and cannot seem to cope with the 3/4 injuries that ALL teams will carry over the weeks of a busy season.
In previous seasons we would have seen wholesale changes for a home league cup tie against lower league opponents, but we were a kick in the bum from full strength and still failed miserably.
Another season where a trophy evaporates in front of us through our own fault and we don't seem to be learning lessons of professionalism and desire.
JJ
Well said JJ
Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy
Totally Agree JJ .
The Sno Man
You do remember Wanyama don't you?(that world beater we sold in the summer?) he could not get a look at the team when he arrived because he was raw and getting used to a new country, does that ring any bells i.e Balde, stop trying to second guess the management team, they have brought in some crackers(one or 2 duds as well but that's what happens when you have to buy young with promise types)
It was a bad result and yes the players deserve a foot up the behind but get over it, these results happen to any team and manager (ask big jock)
Dannybhoy
@ Dannybhoy Well said mate.
Briggs
25 Sep 2013 10:32:02
Tactically Lennon makes some very strange decisions at times, and that's why as I've said a few times, I don't rate him and his coaching staff very highly.
But he is our manager and I will get behind him and the team.
That being said, when I saw the team sheet last night I was quite happy and thought the players who needed game time were on the park.
I have read a few times about why Pukki and not Finbogasson. Maybe if we didn't spend well over £2m on an apparent work in progress striker that can't even get on against Morton, we could have spent a little more on our so called first target.
At the minute Balde seems a very strange signing indeed.
Joeshmo1888
Because if you don't buy young and a work in progress you have to pay OTT wages, get real guys and remember what league we are playing in
Dannybhoy
So over £2m is a fair price for a guy not trusted to play v Morton?
I like the look of Pukki and was never in the "we need Finbogasson" camp, but Balde looks distinctly average at best.
Also he is 22, not 17 or 18. He should really be ready to peak, not be a "work in progress".
Joeshmo1888
25 Sep 2013 10:22:58
not goinie sit here and say I didn't want a win last night but these things happen I personally would play all the boys in that untill.the quarters anyway onwards and upwards move on and look to the next game to bounce back on the road again joe bhoy
Do you mean play the fringe/youth bhoys in the cup up until the QF?
If so. You do realise that we start off in the 3rd Rd, one round before the QF, don't you?!
Aye a dae hb bt last night all the buoys should have had a go and wee would have probs beat them joe boy
25 Sep 2013 09:22:06
Can't blame the board for last night. Apart from mouyokolo, all Lennon's new signings were included in the squad. Why we peppered the box with crosses and left Balde on the bench is baffling. Lennon needs to wake up and accept criticism. Barca was the best night of his life, but deflects criticism, rather than admit he was wrong. With the players we had, we should not be losing to them. If it had been Macari, Brady, Venglos, Barnes, Dalglish, Strachan, Mowbray, this site would be in meltdown with people wanting the gaffers head. The same will probably apply on saturday. Players not giving 100%, not putting their body on the line, incase they miss the barca game(except Charlie, Lenny would probably play him with a stookie on).
We have to up our game, or tuesday night will be a massacre
Samson
Thats because charlie is in our top 5 players mate. I'm not going to sit and defend another one of our players from supposed celtic fans. it was stokes last time. ambrose before that. I really can't be bothered anymore.
darrenbhoy
What is supposed about me being a Celtic fan?? The fact that I can see weaknesses and am not afraid to state it? I am allowed to criticise and praise players/management when I see fit, just the same as you darrenbhoy. Just because we differ in our opinion, doesn't make me a supposed fan
Samson
Did no one listen to lennons interview last night? He did kinda slate the players and he does accept critisism, ., .kbarry
25 Sep 2013 08:46:17
I feel everyone's minimum requirement at the start of this campaign was the treble and CL qualification. Only 14 matches into the season and it's unachievable. Disappointed, yes most certainly. What now, the double and a good run in the Europa League after Christmas? Can't see us getting out of this CL group od death. Bet fans of the dead club are pi**in themselves laughing still, to be fare if the shoe was on the other foot we'd be doing the same.
We should be the wolves leading the pack in Scottish football, we should be hardly slipping up in any domestic games with the day and night between us and the rest financially. I said it at the start of the summer and I'll say it again, I can see Sevco coming back in to this league in 2-3 yrs and winning the title at first attempt if we continue to lack ambition!
You 2 should away and support Sevco as you appear to have a man love thing going for them
Get real guys its one bad result they happen, credit Morton and move on
Dannybhoy
One bad result, do you want to refresh your memory by looking at last years results in the league & Cup and the points dropped in the league so far this year. Realistically we have no opposition in Scotland, well at least we shouldn't have anyway. Everyone can have a bad day at the office or a bogey team like MON had with ICT but we are not playing well, we are not winning games we should be far to often for my liking. We obviously have different standards and expectations than you Danny Bhoy. Is ambition a bad thing. Our victory against Barcelona and reaching the last 16 of the CL last year was spectacular and NL rightly took the plaudits of his adoring legions, but our bread and butter is earned in the Domestic competitions and the results there are not good enough. You mention the dead club tribute act a lot of the time. The subconscious mind tells no lies. Last night was not the fault of the board it was the fault of the team and it's management, accept it for what it is.
Badhoy if you read your post back its you that mentioned the dead club, I am only replying to your post, I to have high ambitions and would love to see Celtic at the top of europe again but get real we can't pay top dollar for players or wages so we are where we are, as for bad results did the Barca fans call for managers to be sacked after we beat them last season?Believe it or not us beating them is on a par with Morton putting us out of the cup
I have no issue with someone having a different point of view but the tubes on here with the mad mood swings do my head in
Dannybhoy
Danny I accept we can't get the best players to play for us or afford the outrageous fees and wages that the EPL teams play but that performance last night from highly paid professionals was not acceptable and it's not the first unacceptable performance we've seen from Celtic since the season started. That is either down to the managers or the players. Why play 4411 last night, why no Balde? That was the managers call. Ignoring the Celtic PLC results, is The Celtic Playing team in decline. The answer is yes. Morton should have been easily accounted for by a Celtic second string but we got beaten. I'm not saying it's all NL fault but the buck certainly rests with the manager. A lot of fans are rightly peed off, look behind last seasons European Campaign and it ain't pretty.
25 Sep 2013 05:59:39
Last nights result wasn't the fault of the board, or Neil Lennon.
If you are a squad player getting your chance to secure your place in the team, you need to display the right attitude in every game.
Doesn't matter if it is Morton. or Liverpool. remember how good that performance and result was.
I assume you are referring to rogic biton and mcgeouch yes they were poor but so was brown pukki derk lustig then subs came on and did nothing throw in usual clanger from Ambrose .its too late now but I would rather drop points against Killie and stay in cup as league is assured trebles aren't .
25 Sep 2013 00:59:16
I thought for a minute I was on the undead rumours site. Sack the manager, shoot the board, team crap. what is wrong with you people? We are (and have been for a while) punching way above our weight. We are in an association which does not allow us to make the financial resources our efforts and fan base deserve. We cannot attract the same talent, sponsors and media attention we deserve. GET OVER IT or go watch Swansea. I'm a dreamer like many and I would love to see us challenging down south but we have to be realistic. It is what it is and to me anyway, the league and Scottish cup are my home priorities. (the cup gives us that end of season finale). I thought GS was the right person but he was still not good enough for some. They screamed for King Kenny (who IMO was a Liverpool man. No real Celtic man would walk away from Big Jock) we saw the results of KK! I see some asking the moaners who they would replace NL with. I doubt anyone would satisfy them. Get real, enjoy the ride and just be thankful we are talking football and not about admin, liquidation. Hail Hail (rant over Ed)
Spot on Tiny there are some on here who blow so hot and cold I can't believe they are Celtic fans.
Shocker of a result but it does happen we pummelled them but it was just one of those nights
Dannybhoy
I don’t see what liquidation has to do with a home defeat to Morton. The same as I do not see what Nicky Law was tweeting about last night, a player who has always played in inferior Clubs to Celtic and no Club has ever paid a penny in transfer fees for such has been the demand for his services. A player who’s Club is not even in the tournament.
He’s just another loser who has 'I wanna be adored' on repeat and some eejits are daft enough to give him adoration whilst he robs them blind with an over inflated wage.
Last night was unacceptable in my eyes and there are no excuses whatsoever. RFC being in liquidation is certainly no excuse nor does it make me feel better. Nicky Law making a grade A walloper out of himself and just having me know Celtic’s results mean so much to him, does make me smile a wee bit.
Punching above our weight! We've just been knocked out the cup by Morton lost to karagandy drew with Arbroath lost to Ross county lost to st mirren in cups in recent seasons.european results are usually great but personally I put that down to the fans inspiring more than Lennons tactics . Our style of play is so predictable that every team know how to play us time for a plan b style not panic centre half up front . Don't think we should replace him this season but if we are going to buy cheap/future players from Europe then why not have a euro manager
25 Sep 2013 00:23:23
To the lennon haters(prob currants)name his replacement and be honest with yourselves,, cmon, ., .kbarry
Morten wieghorst
Morten wieghorst? Has he been tried and tested? At least your thinking but i'd rather have lennon and not swanseas no2, thanks anyway. Any more with anymore?, ., .kbarry
25 Sep 2013 00:21:40
Can someone please give kbarry a hug. Looks like he's going to have a stroke.
MgC {Ed007's Note - You shouldn't really be looking in people's windows, but if that's how you get your kicks.}
MgC please don't say that as I have been feeling a bit crappy this weather, football talk please, prob do need a hug but i'll get them from my missus and kids. Away to draw my curtains now as a lotta peppin toms about you know, ., .kbarry
Hahah ;)
MgC
Hehe hoho, ., .kbarry