Celtic Banter Archive February 25 2014

25 Feb 2014 22:20:19
Hi Ed, apologies for posting tonight, I know you have enough crap to be piling through tonight without having to read my rants as well but I just have to get this off my chest.

Lennon must go and go now for the sake of Celtic FC, while the Club flourishes the team and it's supporters are in meltdown.

We started the season with high hopes, the last 16 of CL (Extremely ambitious) and the treble. By September the treble was gone and by October I think we all knew that so was the last 16 of the CL, then it was the double and that disappeared and then the spin doctors threw the smoke bomb that was FF clean sheet record as well as the Unbeaten run in the league. Our expectations are being constantly eroded. When are we going to cry stop, enough is enough.

Aberdeen are a team of nobody's and two Celtic rejects in Flood and Robson(I'd have him back in the drop of a hat). Do you know the Value of their squad ED, the value of their first team or first team wages vis a vis our own. Won't make pretty reading.

Forget about players not wanting to come to Celtic, our squad should be beating all in front of us domestically with ease. We are like a F1 car being driven by Ms. Daisy.

People need to focus on NL the manager and nothing else. He is not up to the task.

Save the replies that have lines such as "You're not a true supporter" or "Supporters like you make me sick". The manager is not up to the task and results prove it.

Again Ed sincere apologies for posting given the workload you'll have tonight.

{Ed007's Note - Off the top of my head Aberdeen's wage bill is circa. £5m.}

Totally agree mate. Its getting beyond a joke. To be honest, lawell will have to tell him to go cause lennon has that big an ego he won't quit.

The rot has to stop tonight, he must go

I'm just sick of Lennon's stale style, poor team selections, favouritism and lack of tactical knowledge!

I heard McInnes say that celtics two top earner's earn more than the whole Aberdeen squad. Time to go Lenny. Your times up.

Samaras should not be anywhere near first team. At this stage in the season and with the amount of points we are ahead, this is the ideal stage in the season to give pukki, balde, boerrigter and youth game time to boost confidence. Stokes should be nowhere near team either.

That's what I was afraid of Bankie Bhoy, Lennon and coaching staff must go now.

25 Feb 2014 21:48:34
Ed, what is the policy around refs and displays? Do they get analysed in same way in EPL.
Thomson had an absolute disaster tonight and some of the decisions were baffling. Best ref here, what a joke.
At what point is multiple fouling deemed a yellow card? Some players in red shld have walked. Flood! Little s?#%>. Hated him when he signed for us.
Conspiracy/ paranoia but maybe they don't want our run or early league finale to be the best.
The team played well despite the obvious set backs and 2nd half ud not know the apparent 2nd best team had 11 men on park, hanging on for corners at the death- pathetic.
Disappointed a couple of records gone but the players gave 100% and for me, despite the pain! us all u can ask

{Ed007's Note - There is an SPFL appointed 'Referees Observer' in attendance at every match who reports back to the SPFL about officials' performances.}

25 Feb 2014 20:34:30
2-0 down 10 men down van djik carries our team clearly! What an absolute let down ( by the way willie miller celebrating screaming it's over it's over Bit of a shock really )

At 2-0 down and down to 10 men at HT, Forster's clean sheet record and the unbeaten league record are in tatters. So what now? Where do we go from here? What positives can anyone take away from the 2013-14 season?

And guarantee you there will be posts on this tonight, from fans who are more concerned about breaking a clean sheet record than the actual state of team+management

2-1 now Forest, the c`mon the hoops no worried about records, just want a result to shut these pundits up.

13 minutes were reduced to ten men so were up against it things happen we have won league lost out on two cups mediocre season but we will learn from it

Griffiths off and sammy on WTF stokes has been diabolical

Another one for NL to answer, player who can leave for nothing in a few months time gets more game time for a striker who only signed in August.

Clearly playing his favs & ensuring Sami is fit for the summer.

Total joke by NL this season. Forget the records, league was always a going to be ours. Cup runs have been poor & team tatics just as bad. couldn't care if we won lost or drawn tonight, just sick of the way things are done.

Really hope he goes in the summer think his time has come.

Lenny

25 Feb 2014 16:02:22
Was just having a look at Dortmund's transfer activity over the past 5 years. Last year's CL and Bundesliga runners-up built their team cheaply, but kept them together rather than selling at the first big offer that's came in. They've sold the odd player for a tidy profit, but also rejected large bids for key players. Examples would be buying Mats Hummels for €4m, Jakub Blaszczykowski for €3.2m, Neven Subotic for €4.9m, Lukasz Piszczek on a free transfer, Sven Bender for €1.6m, Robert Lewandowski for €4.5m, Shinji Kagawa for €350k and Ivan Perisic for €5m - they sold Kagawa for €17m and Perisic for €8m, this then resulted in them being able to buy more expensive talent that still have a sell on value - Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang for €13.9m, Henrikh Mkhitaryan for €27.5m and Marco Reus for €17.1m. Now, just to clarify. Not for one minute am I saying we can spend that amount of money, but surely keeping a core together and investing in the playing squad is the example to follow?!

Intresting HB, but what were they paying them and would that calibre of player ever even consider coming to Scotland to play in the SPL (Can't remember the new name for our crap league). Hail Hail

Well they bought Hummels from Bayern, Blaszczykowski from Wisla, Subotic from Mainz, Piszczek from Hertha BSC, Bender from 1860 Munchen, Lewandowski from Lech Poznan, Kagawa from Cerezo Osaka and Perisic from Club Brugge - I can’t imagine, other than Hummels, any of them were on huge salaries? I would’ve loved for us to have built our squad around Forster in goals, Lustig at RB, Wanyama at DM, Matthews on RW, Ledley at CM, Commons on LW and Hooper up front. If we had kept the squad intact then signed Virgil at CB and Finnbogason up front, along with another CB and LB we’d have been a fantastic side and that could've been our version of Dortmund’s model!

I suppose I'm just crying over spilled milk lol.

HB, your crying over spilt milk on the fact that nothing's going to change!
But it's deffinetly not spilt milk on your points regarding players bought in and sold on and also kept to building a good squad.
The players mentioned, wouldn't have been on top wages as they were unknown at the time, Dortmund made them what they are now.
The Germans and partly the Dutch took a big gamble and almost went unknown in the football world for at least 5/6 years to bring forward their game, granted it's worked big time in germany more than Holland.?
I think celtic have done well on a few players, unfortunately we can't keep the best given the way out game is run, and it won't change as we have a stupid voting system and all teams are scared of change!
(Also the laughable excuses of the board as to where our money is going will be swallowed by most and written off)
1 BIG difference is the coaching!
Until teams buy into "Querver Coaching" we will stand still, we will always get a Riordan or Watt (training wise, or made it already) but it's the way forward, it's slowly being brought in at grassroots level in Scotland but won't grow as there's no money apparently?
Ok I've went off a wee bit but still ties in HB, the guys you mentioned wouldn't be where they are without it and without the way the game changed!

Iam a sports coach at youth level and like to teach my boys it's about getting your technique right first before you even think about winning I teach them that once you have the basics mastered the rest will fall in to place in time but all the other coaches are following the old Walter no surname method of win at all cost and just hoof the ball it's frustrating because the talent is shining out a lot of these players but they aren't getting proper coaching

Scottish football is definitely rotten to the core. With booze/drug/gang culture rife and little investment to keep kids off the streets, as well as in the right areas of grassroots. Barcelona have been using a 4-2-3-1 formation since they won the European Cup early 90s, from first team to their youngest youth level. They've focused on passing and using the same system which paid off the run the had from 2008 until Pep left in 2012.

HB, it's slightly going off track to your original point which is spot on,
But if you get a spare 10 mins, check on Barcelona youth training, frightening! But only if you can see and compare to what type of player we have to deal with here.
Not bad boys, just different mentality and then the parents aswell, coaching then is paramount, the boys/girls need to want to do it!
I coached 2002s and 2004s youth and it wasn't untill I moved my boys that I noticed the difference elsewhere, night and day given the different mentality at different clubs and this is at grassroots FFS.
Can argue all night long on different points, but it's appetite and more importantly coaching!

25 Feb 2014 13:23:09
Right Bhoys and Ghirls. If the season finished right now, who would you give the player and young player of the year to?

Would it be:-

Commons, for his goals
Forster, for his clean sheets
or any other?

also young player.

The only one I can think of this season would be Darnell fisher. James Forrest has been injured or pi55 poor most of the time.

any other suggestions are welcome

Samson, think I would go for Big Virgil and young Fisher, he has done very well every time he has played for us. Take your point about Forrest but what about the bottle he showed with his winning goal the Kara Goat Killers and the pen v Ajax. Would not be too upset if he were sold in the summer though. Hail Hail

Agree with TTT, Virgil + Fisher all day long. Not to take anything away from Forster or Commons, but I just feel VVD is something special and deserves the recognition. Even Forster or Commons POYT + VVD getting YPOTY, which I think is most likely.

25 Feb 2014 00:36:16
There is a new poll up, please take two minutes to vote:

Who will you be supporting when Eire plays Scotland?

Thanks Ed. Might make interesting reading.

Neither here, if you don't recognise NI as a country you can't recognise the 26 as a country . internationals I support the Irish Rugby and Boxing teams .

25 Feb 2014 12:19:10
ED007 yes it will be interesting to see who most fans will support (here is a wee clue to my allegiances) "Come on you bhoys in GREEN"
Also surely Ireland as the HOME team should get about 50,000 tickets give Scotland the new Sevco end. lol

Scotland for me I like to see Ireland do well cause that's where my grandparents are from but no against Scotland