Celtic Banter Archive October 24 2014

 

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24 Oct 2014 23:16:04
The next transfer window should make things very much clearer. If the board think RD is the man to take us forward, then they must back him with some serious funding. If they don, t, fans may assume he was just the cheap option. Trying not to be too critical but it is painfully obvious that we need an injection of quality. No amount of tinkering with formations is going to make us that much better than we are now. If the board didn't, appear to be backing their man, could they truly expect the support to, only time will tell.

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24 Oct 2014 21:36:47
I see crowd was given as 32,000 on a nasty wet night against a team that most fans had not heard of, so as our erstwhile manager did not praise the fans I will, well done all those who came out to support our team.

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Timalloy your continual criticism of all things delia is over the top and clutching at straws your starting to sound like supporters of a defunct team. The sooner the delia critics realise he's trying to change the whole mindset of the club and drag us into the 21st century from diet to training and exercise and the way our young kids are educated it takes time and there will be small set backs but for the benefit of the club it all must be done. As the players have already been told delia is here for the long haul so back off and get behind him. Rome wasn't built in a day

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Tim, it was a mostly dry night with a sharp shower just before kick off. Nothing nasty about it. Except the players. Cheer up!

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25 Oct 2014 00:53:18
Well said Tim. Deila should have been at the front door to personally thank every supporter for turning up, maybe when we qualify for the next round of the Europa league he could go and hand tea out to the extra 30,000+ who turn up queuing for tickets or even offer to pay for the tickets.

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Timalloy I can see where your concerns are coming from, but attendance has been low for a long time.

Even if we were winning every game, there just is not any incentive for many to part with cash to go. League is a guarantee and with no serious threat, many are of opinion "why spend valuable cash in this climate"

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25 Oct 2014 04:19:51
AH why should the manager praise fans for doing what they're suppose 2 and turn up 2 watch the games? lol bit of a daft statement considering you have just made the most important point ' when we qualify for the next round of the europa league ' which he should be commended for not be told 2 congratulate fans for turning up 2 support their team it's what they should be doing anyway

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Your constant slating of RD is becoming tiresome Tim. I don't recall any previous celtic manager making a big deal about fans for coming to a game on a wet night. We get the fact that you don't rate RD but you are just posting any sh!te now to have a go at him. Last week it was because he took a break for a few days and didn't stay behind to work with the youth teams.

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25 Oct 2014 13:39:41
DN30 we can't say the league is a certainty not the way we are playing. Unless we improve there is no guarantee of winning it this season. We were dire on Thursday night and as someone who did go to the match I can tell you the fans I spoke to are in despair regarding the product on the pitch. Also how can we complain about the quality in the park if we all took the same view as you re spending cash. If we don't spend cash at the turnstyle then we can't spend cash on the team.

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Gunnie I was being sarcastic.

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25 Oct 2014 14:41:48
Apologise then mate ma mistake lol

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Johnnymac you weren't the only one at the game you know. Why should many fans spend their hard earned cash to fund a succession of duds such as bangura, pukki, balde etc and pay lawwells nice wee bonus? Don't blame them to be honest.

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It only takes about 200/250 fan season ticket sales to pay Lawwell's bonus .
Many will think that is too many but over all we have more success on the field since he came than in the same number of years preceding .

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24 Oct 2014 21:49:40
Hey ed, do u not think Gordon deserves some credit now, I like most other fans was sceptical when we signed him, every week it's looking like the deal of the decade.

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{Ed007's Note - Credit for what? Keeping so many clean sheets or costing us a place in the CL. Where did you get 'deal of the decade' from, the Celtic View?}

24 Oct 2014 22:29:36
Considering he cost nothing, and has not played for 2 odd years, I think he's been outstanding, does the defence not have questions to answer, I only read the alternative media.

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24 Oct 2014 22:33:40
Come on Ed he is the best player at Celtic right now. He has kept Ronnie afloat.

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{Ed007's Note - That'll be all those clean sheets he's keeping and the goals he's scored.}

25 Oct 2014 00:46:59
Ok Ed, we get it, or maybe it's just me! You are not CG's greatest fan. Personally, I think this lad has been given another chance at the big stage and is embracing it. He has now played a good part of the season injury free and long may it continue. He is not the greatest keeper in the world but IMO has been very good up to now. I think you should be focusing more on our sham defence who are leaving him exposed more often than not.

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{Ed007's Note - I didn't bring it subject up, why would anyone think I would have changed my mind?}

I was at murrayfield, celtic were atrocious, legia won, av just listenened on the radio to the astra game, the only difference in the performance, seems to be Gordon made a few really good saves, the difference between getting beat and scrambling a 2-1 win, was the difference Gordon, my point being, is there been a improvement since thaat murrayfield game in the team as a whole, I don't think so, I think we might end up being the fittest team in the relegation battle.

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25 Oct 2014 04:22:25
Fittest team in the relegation battle? what a stupid statement. If you don't support the manager aindoh then support someone else. Fed up of this 'we hate ronny' pish now even with a win he still gets abuse lay off the guy fs

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25 Oct 2014 13:49:41
Gunnie everyone has a right to comment on how they see it. Look at Ed's comments regarding Craig Gordon. I don't agree but it's his opinion and you have to respect that. As for Aindoh comments on RD they may be strong however RD needs to stop telling us about how we are progressing and improving. He must be the only one, including the players who can see it. The performances are poor in the extreme and you can defend him all you want but you can't deny the standard if play us currently poor. He may turn it around so we all wait to see, but it us not just going to click one day and work. Not all his fault. So if he continues to feed the fans rubbish then he is going to collect some flak and rightly so.

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25 Oct 2014 23:51:14
Aye jonny everyone has their own opinion but saying we will be in a relegation battle isn't a stupid statement in your mind? aye a have admitted we are playing pish but the fact is we are still 7 points out of 9 and unbeaten in a europa group with zagreb and salzburg who looked better teams than us so that 2 me is progress. We couldn't beat maribor or legia in home games and now we have won 2 out of 2 so again 2 me that's progress wether it's shite football or fantastic football it's a results business and for the amount of greef he gets from fans and the media i'm sure he wll take it the now. We didn;t exactly play decent football the last seasons but I can't remember as many fans moaning about lennon as they have about ronny wonder why

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24 Oct 2014 20:32:14
Agree with Rayman. In almost 60 yrs watching the Bhoys I've never seen so many games where the keeper was consistently our best player. Never been known. On that note Celtic Board please tie up Craig Gordon with a good contract because at least he is worth it.
Some irritating traits more noticeable this season, Player taking a throw in with no one near him wanting the ball, dreadful cross field passing, great possession til we cross the halfway line, 20 crosses flung in per game easily cleared by opposition defense, no danger posed by us at corners so our fans can't do the Tremble, huge spaces between our guys on the park, and lastly Where oh Where is this fast football we were promised?

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Excellent points. I mean, Packy Bonner was super. Boruc was immense. But they were never consistently the reason for our results.

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Packie Bonner was at Celtic for 20 years and won 4 leagues, 3 Scots Cups and 1 League Cup. I think you'll find he was the reason for a lot of our results, especially the poor ones.

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24 Oct 2014 20:01:56
Don't know if anybody else noticed when the the substitution was made and we had 2 up front for a wee while we scored 2 goals

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Credit where its due then. The manager is a tactical genius. Fair play to him. Right players on and right players off at the right time. Two right good goals. Right good result. Right?

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Jeezo! The first goal was a free kick delivered into the box and had nothing to do with the formation in fact one of the '2' strikers wasn't even in the box he took the free kick. And only nightmare finishing from sepovic when we had 1 player up front stopped us scoring 3 or 4. Maybe those chances he missed were because he didn't like the formation. Also did anyone notice the 5 goals we scored against Ross County on Saturday were scored when we played with one striker? Markie

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Yes all that being said does not alter the fact that when the formation changed to two men in attack we caused more problems and scored two goals, then formation changed back to one up front we started to struggle again and had goal scored against us, might be reading to much in to it but as always stated here facts are facts

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24 Oct 2014 19:46:52
Celtic fan on the radio sayin he was embarrassed to watch that performance last night. While we were poor think that's going a bit far. My worry is that RD says he sees progression and we are improving!Is he still in Norwegian League Mode because none of the teams we played this season have been any great shakes maybe with the exception of Legia who have still to prove they any good.He is with Celtic now and results are imperative and peformances are expected.While he will be given time is it acceptable for him to win the treble whilst givin these poor performance because its certainly possible in Scotland with the standard we could do it with some luck.Also if it continues in this vain the attendancies will drop even lower as they are now which means the atmosphere is terrible not to mention the finances of it.Wud the board accept a treble with season tickets droppin again next season if Rangers never came up?Cos while he may be successful its torture to watch, and I can't remember a celtic team in last 40 years where our best player is our keeper. Says it all really.

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So on planet rayman Craig Gordon is a better player than the like of Izzy, Lustig, Virgil, Brown, Commons and Guidetti?

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24 Oct 2014 18:53:02
Am I the only one who has been impressed with Wakaso so far? I think once he is up to speed and settled into the Scottish game we could have a terrific wee player on our hands, him and Izzy on the left hand-side will cause sides all sorts of problems going forward. I did read that it was nonfootball reasons he left Russia so it's noting to do with his ability. Maybe because everyone is looking at all the bad things with the team we aren't noticing any of the good parts, I think Wakaso so far has shown us he could add a lot to the team in the future.

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Definitely looks good with Emilio. He's shown flashes, and yes, if he settles well I reckon he could be an asset.

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Actually, it seems Emilio makes everyone on the left look pretty good. His play with stokes is great at times.

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24 Oct 2014 18:08:26
Got tip for my fellow tims. Owen Coyle to be next Birmingham City manager. Was 5/1 in places this morning but best odds I can find is 2/1. Lump on!

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24 Oct 2014 17:11:27
Hi Ed any chance of a poll please

Do you want too see us stick with this 4-3-3 formation?

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{Ed007's Note - It's already been added and should be up in the next couple of days.}

We play a 4-2-3-1 formation.

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No we don't markie!

See you making a reference to the Ross County game we played 4-4-1-1 in that on a tighter pitch

This is what is killling us! not gifted enough to play 4-3-3 nowt to do with fitness but should be as fit as possible

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24 Oct 2014 17:03:47
Got a wee tip for all the punters out there (Mrs E?)
Some bookmakers are going 5-1 that both Messi and Ronaldo score in the El Clasico tomorrow.
As both have done this regulary in the past, I think it is a smashing bet.
Good Punting

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Seen it online for 6/1 Tim.

Defo all hyped-up anyway with Suarez returning as well :-)

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24 Oct 2014 15:08:45
been a while since posted last. just wanted to say last night was awful but only cause of stupid suicide passes. that team were quite content to sit in and try defend until mulgrew started playing slack passes and giving up possession too easily

i can't understand why kayal isn't in that team where mulgrew is. he's quick and gets stuck in althought usually a good chance of a booking but what defensive midfielder isn't when they get in the faces of the opposition. is it just me also or does when he gets it he just wants to switch the play either to lustig or stokes/izzy playing them in danger cause its usually a high slow pass putting pressure on them

on another night scepovic could of had 4 and stokes with a european goal at last

another point is commentators won't shut up about commons when he's not on but when he isn't we tend to win and also our strikers have a chance of a pass rather than watching long shots all game

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Mulgrew is too big for his boots and does not realise his severe limitations and there are too many (including Brown) who have trouble making basic passes.

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You would think with all the experts at Celtic Park someone could get boots to fit big Charlie .

Sorry about that!

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{Ed007's Note - Let's hope someone in Bolton has a pair to fit him, I've just checked and there's a Nando's in Bolton as well so it's all good.}

24 Oct 2014 14:21:07
watched a repeat of the game and another indifferent performance at home and while watching again I was thinking is our park too big to play a 433 formation as the players always seem to struggle with (to my eye) being too far apart from each other either from front to mid or mid to forward(and vice versa), passes which look overhit or underhit, no one arriving late to help the attack, I don't know if a bigger park suits different formations anyone know /able to explain?

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Hi DRB a think you have a fab point there about the pitch being to big for this 4-3-3 a was begining to think that myself!

He went 4-4-1-1 against Ross County on a wee tight pitch and bowled them over against St Mirren he had to go 4-4-4-2 to get us the first goal (and btw he had to go do the exact same last night to get the goal!)

he has to give this 4-3-3 a wide berth now IMO and get a shape/team playing to our strengths this is the bit that is driving me crazy about RD he has to change it from the 4-3-3 to get a result surely to God he can figure out it is not working?!

ATVB JB7

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24 Oct 2014 07:32:44
{Ed033's Note - Mrs E, please use the contact form for any web site problems

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24 Oct 2014 07:26:04
Was the performance against Astra showing signs that the Deila masterplan is coming together?

What masterplan - serious question? and do not give me drivel straight from the football managers guide for beginners!

We are accepting absolute torturous performances in the hope it will all improve and i'm willing to give Ronny time but I will not lie, its only because we can afford to. Rangers, Hibs and Hearts are gone, through their own fault and are a shadow of the teams they used to be (walking dead jokes aside).

I asked yesterday, what is it you think Ronny's trying to do and where do you think it will lead Celtic with the current set of players?

Going by the majority of our performances this season, when we meet a team with a decent centre forward - Celtc are onto a hiding that no papering over the cracks will cover. When was the last time we played a decent team and won convincingly or are we going to keep kidding on Dundee Utd are decent - what was their result in Europe last night?

Last season I was slated for applauding Iniesta off the park and just accepting being in the Champions League - well what is this, scrapping a win v Astra (a team most have never heard of)?

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Was no where near as comfortable as I predicted. First twenty minutes were decent without creating a clear chance. The rest of the fist half was poor. Pinging it to their corners, them sussing us out and us playing it all the way back to defence which at times looked like a real scare the pressure they put us under. Set pieces (and we had a few) were poor most of the game too. We lacked somebody in that pocket between defence and midfield as Johansen was sitting deep in the first half. They looked much better at passing the ball over small distances than us.

Game of two halves, second half - much better. More urgency and better passing movement. Could have got a couple more than we did but so could they to be fair. Why we didn't play like that from the off? Who knows. Great result in the end. Hopefully we'll take confidence from that second half and when we go to their place, take he game to them a bit more too.

We dreadfully still miss a natural anchor of a midfielder (mulgrew had a poor game) and experience CB. January please PL.

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24 Oct 2014 09:23:42
@mrs E , I thought it showed when the players do what Rd asks them to do his plan works. The first half was poor although Astra sat in and made it very difficult. Our tempo wasn't high enough and most of what they created was down to poor mistakes by us, Virgil and mulgrew particularly. Second half tempo was much higher and we could have been a couple ahead by the time we scored. Think scepovic did ok and his goal will do him the world of good. Great to see crosses going in with someone there to attack them. He should have scored 2 and could have had a hatrick and on another day he will, but he was in there on the end of things which has been sadly lacking lately. It was certainly a struggle but when we upped the pace we were decent to watch and able to hurt them. 3points playing not particularly well is a good sign for me. A good side would have taken goals off us though.

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24 Oct 2014 09:41:29
Mrs E the fans are beginning to see for themselves that Delia has much work to do and are not being fooled by his after match press comments of "we were unlucky" or "we made 20 chances"
As I keep saying there is zero passion in most of our play and no pace, far too many unforced sloppy passes, surely Delia should be working on the training ground to eradicate all these mistakes.
But to try and be more positive I thought once again Gordon was fantastic, Lustig's crossing deserved better and Stokes, Scepovic or Johansen getting on the end of one of them. Izzy woked hard all night, Scepovic? I will give him praise because he kept at it all night, despite missing at least 2 golden chances, but he got his reward with his goal, let's hope he will kick on now.

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24 Oct 2014 12:55:19
There are things that Ronnie could do better however the problem is there for all to see, especially when we play European teams. We can't pass the football. If you can't pass you can't retain the ball and then you can't build momentum to go forward. We couldn't pass it last season either. In Europe under Neil Lennon we relied on Sammy carrying the ball out of our half or the pace of Forrest giving us some relief, but the ball just kept on coming back to us because we can't retain it. We can't retain it because we can't pass to each other. We know we need to change how we play or we will never move on. God love Ronnie he is still sticking with his system when lesser men would have gone back to our old style. My worry is that with the players he has and the financial constraints I can't see how he can change it. For the last few seasons we have known that if we just man up 11 v 11 that over the season as we have better individuals and a bigger squad we will come out on top. The opposite in Europe but we accepted that. Now we are trying to change which we need to do but until these players can play passes and accept a ball from 5 yards at pace Ronnie has got a battle on his hands. Don't have an answer but I believe that the problem is there for all to see. Ronnie is getting it for trying to make us better. These players need to be able to pass and retain the ball.

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24 Oct 2014 06:06:59
Most may dissagree but I believe we are a quality left sided player and a quality center midfield player short of being a very good side. Imagine a wanyamma beside brown as your 2 sitting mid players and an attacking 3 of Forrest, Commons, and Anya (spelling) that plays with Scotland. Gudetti up front and I would be delighted. Anya has to be in our price range and get rid of the mediocre (at best) 3 left sided wingers we have on loan or in Borringers case bought. And find someone like Ki, Ledley, wanyamma, that we managed to scout before and play them beside Broony. Mulgrew and Johannson are not good enough. And I disagree with Guinnie, I and other fans have every right to come onto this or any other forum and criticise the team if they played poorly. That's what forums are for. I never once mentioned the manager, I criticised the team and the way they played and how poor I believe most of them are. Should I just tell porkies and come on and say we were brilliant tonight? I'm delighted to that we have someone who is dragging the club out of the dark ages but time will tell if he's the man to be in charge, I hope so but it's a bit ironic that Edd continually sings Ronny's praises and yet criticises Craig Gordon, but possibly Craig Gordon has saved him somewhat, as without him we could be bottom of the group with no points. Markie

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24 Oct 2014 06:40:44
Excellent post markie, 100 percent agree, while celtic were poor,it's another 3 points, we're going to have to up are game with 2 aways next, (or gordons going to b very busy)

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Mark I'm the same, give praise where its due but I will also criticise. Ronny and his players are big bhoys and should be able to handle it.

We were awful slow last night and far too casual but a wins a win and for that, they can have a bit of credit.

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We need more than 2 players to bring this team up to real Celtic standard.
The decline in quality and class has been continuous for a decade or more and there is not one player who would have got near the Seville team.
A couple of seasons ago we rode our luck against one of the best teams ever in the CL and beat Barcelona.
Last night we struggled to overcome a team called Astra?
I am not buying into this 'Emperors New Clothes' garbage and clearly see that we need vast improvement.

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25 Oct 2014 04:27:34
Even though we have 2 great cb's personally I think we need another experienced cb people may disagree but they are 19 and 23 and many times this season they have both looked lost at times and there is no leadership or organisiation between the 2 of them. That's not their fault they are just inexperienced they need someone who can bark orders and organise the back 4

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24 Oct 2014 01:34:04
Aye we never played well but we still won we are on 7 points out of 9 unbeaten in the group yet fans are still having a go at the manager. I seen on a celtic fb page a fan saying the big man up front was a disgrace and a piss poor player 5 mins later he scored. That sums up the attitude of some of our fans right now 2 quick 2 judge and having no patience. We all know we are pretty poor in the terms of quality right now and iv said it before i'll say it again ronny will need at least 2/3 transfer windows to really put his own team together and shouldn't be getting judged this harshly so soon into his career with us and tbh if some fans got their wish and ronny got the sack I would fear for where we would go next in terms of management. Really believe this guy is going to be a great manager for us and if not i'll be the 1st to put ma hands up and say I was wrong

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Well said gunniebhoy!!Ronny needs time its only october , What happens if we get a couple more in & some deadwood out in transfer window & Ronnybhoy wins the treble?
nutters on heere will still have a pop at him cause he's not a celtic man(what aload of pish), give him time, he has my backing 100%, not his fault some of the players are rubbish!KEEP THE FAITH!!

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24 Oct 2014 03:10:40
Totally agree harry a can admit sometimes his team decisions have annoyed me but a really trust in what the guy is trying to do for our club and needs the time 2 implement it. If it goes tits up and he fails i'll be happy 2 see him go but a genuinely think he's going 2 be a success and as you say come january if a few leave and some good quality players come in we could end up ith a trebel and touch wood we should still be in europe after xmas. Surely that itself is a triumph for a 1st season

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Gunnie and harry, totally agree. What these people selectively forget is that squad needs invested in and its not going to happen overnight.

This celtic minded pish is beyond a joke. Really grinds ma gears.

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24 Oct 2014 04:35:23
I'm the same DN I know he inherited champions but what some fans forget is last season under lennon we went out at home in both domestic cups and were woeful in the cl so ronny is having to basically rebuild a poor team from scratch and with the backing from the board that he DIDN'T get in the summer how was he suppose to improve the squad? lol

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I haven't forgot DN that we need investment and have mentioned this a few times.

What was grinding my gears was the thinking that Ronny's ideas alone were somehow going to get good performances and results.

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Mrs E see to be honest, i'm of the belief that even if we qualified for CL club would still of been reluctant to spend cash.

Reason for this is potential wastage of signing pukki, boerighter and balde. Think board are trying to cover loss, only explanation I can think of.

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If Ronny has to totally rebuild the team from last year, should he not at least be able to keep the performance levels the same as last season, after all it is the same players
However poor we were last season, we are playing even worse this year.

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This is the main issue with being the Celtic Manager, if you are going to make changes – you also have to keep up levels of performance and that's the deal.

Can’t handle it?

DN - maybe a problem attracting players to Scotland?

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Mrs e I have been saying on this site for a couple seasons, to those fans who are demanding we buy class players, the class players we need cost too much, and will not give scottish football a second look because the standard is deplorable.and to be honest it is going to get worse, and that is not celtics fault, so for me we will just have to go with what we have and where we play our football, sad I know but that's the way it is at the moment.killy

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The only sensible posts I have read since we won on Thursday. If we play good and lose Rd gets slaughtered and if we play poor and win he gets slaughtered, some fans will never accept him. All of the above posters am glad to hear you can see a sense of vision in rebuilding. Astra had a new manager in, always makes thing difficult as you can't scout the new mans ideas, I believe if they had kept the previous manager we would have given them a going over

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Killy the writing has been on the wall for sometime now. Players have a short career and many won't take the chance.

Lee Wallace - he was a decent player and looked what happened when he went to play in a p*ss poor league. Never have I witnessed such a decline in a player.

Kev - sensible goes out the window when it comes to being a fan, we will never all agree. I know I can moan but I still enjoy going to the games regardless of who the Manager is. Was soaked right through last night and suffered in work this morning for it (my age probably) but I would do it all again.

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Mrs E, I'm of the opinion its not the problem of attracting players, cause its a sad day when our supporters realise that a club our size is merely seen as a stepping stone to EPL. Wanyama, Hooper, Forster and potentially Van Dijk.

I know I bore most people about my disgust at wastage such as bangura, pukki etc, but i'm of the belief pukki and balde were only signed instead of finnbogasson on the chance they would both generate a far higher transfer value in future combined than paying approx same money for finnbogasson.

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Gunniebhoy he is up against it. Board had no intention of spending anything, Scepovic was signed to appease fans.

A pattern is emerging- get Delia in cause he has turned a mediocre team (stromstegt) into a team facing bankruptcy, to a league winning club. Fits in with policy of "wheeler dealer" criteria in operation.

Spend buttons, transform squad. I am anti lawwell but beginning to think the long term plan with Delia was to get him in, assess squad, make loan signings to cover this period, then come january sign players to gradually weed out dead wood.

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