Celtic Banter Archive July 24 2018

24 Jul 2018 21:12:09
Gordon

Gamboa
Hendry
Ajer
Tierney

Brown
Ntcham

Forrest
Rogic
McGregor

Edouard

Is possible team with different reports coming in.

24 Jul 2018 22:09:12
If true great to see Gamboa getting a 2nd chance, said it last night on my thoughts on our transfer window and said that maybe the reason we haven’t brought in a right back and turned down oudabajo was Brendan seen Gamboa’s wc performances and will give him a 2nd chance. looks like I could be right after all!

24 Jul 2018 22:11:40
Yeah that's exactly what I'd go for considering Ed mentioned that Lustig definitely ain't ready.

{Ed007's Note - Rodgers has said Lustig won't be involved as he only returned to training yesterday.}

24 Jul 2018 22:41:18
Gamboa will be bombed out again the minute the rest of the defenders are back.
He will then be behind lustig and Hendry again.

24 Jul 2018 20:31:10
So seen Everton are set to Sign Richarlison for £50 million and that Waghorn that was a disaster up here for the people meant to be leaving Ipswich for £10 million. footballs gone mad 😂 but on a different note we’re would you value the following players

-Griffiths £10 Million
- Forrest £25 Million
- Dembele £30 Million
- McGregor £20 Million
- Sinclair £8 Million
- Rogic £22 Million
- Ajer £10 Million
- KT £ 40 Million
- Broony £5 Million
- Boyata £15 Million

Reason I’m asking as in today’s market it’s unreal what players are going for and I’m really interested to see what you guys value the following players I’ve mentioned, missed some out that I couldn’t care about lol but yeh what would you see each off the following player I’ve mentioned are worth?

The prices I’ve put next to them are what I would value them at. some might think of gone mad lmao but that’s today’s market and those players have done back to back trebles, season off unbeaten and are winning at he highest level in the champions league.

24 Jul 2018 20:38:28
Sinclaire only 8 while rogic is 22. Sinclaire has out performed rogic completely. Some fans baffle me.

24 Jul 2018 20:52:25
Last season he never Kev.

24 Jul 2018 20:57:24
Sinclair is 28-29 and at his peak after having a underwhelming season but still a great player

Rogic compted at the World Cup was Australia’s best player and still not in his prime and still been fantastic this season. he is definitely worth way more than Sinclair is. Shouldn’t even be debatable but the question wasn’t who had the better season but in your opinion what are the following players value realisticly in today’s market.

24 Jul 2018 21:05:49
Sinclair worth £8mill. can't see it. He is struggling to get on the park. Rogic is head and shoulders above him. If Sinclair is so good why has BR dropped him to the bench over the closing 12 games? Couldn't get a start in the cup final.

{Ed007's Note - Rogic is 4 inches taller than Sinclair - that's about it.}

24 Jul 2018 21:08:21
Stevie Sinclair was our top goal scorer last season.
ElChris04 Sinclair is a more dangerous and effective player. He's proven that by scoring more goals and making more assists in 2 season than what Rogic has done in 6 seasons.
Sinclair is only a few goals short of 50 goal for Celtic.
So to say rogic is worth 14 million more than Sinclair is just mental.

24 Jul 2018 21:15:20
You've also got James Forrest at 17 million more than Sinclaire. That's also madness and that's coming from a James Forrest fan.

24 Jul 2018 21:18:17
And rogic is 25/ 26 when is his prime going to be?

24 Jul 2018 21:44:36
Players sold by Spl teams to EPL teams seem to have value reduced by 66%.

24 Jul 2018 21:50:57
Stevie sinclair had more goals and assists than rogic last season . in fact Sinclair has scored more I two seasons than rogic has in his celtic career so far . taking the strikers out of the equation rogic has never been top of the rest in goals or assists . he has the knack of scoring in higher profile games but I think he flatters to deceive every season and if offered 8mill never mind 22 I'd bite the hands off any buyer.

{Ed007's Note - Rogic has taken over from Forrest as the most over-rated player in the squad. For a player playing in the No.10/ACM for Celtic in the current SPFL his overall productivity is abysmal.}

24 Jul 2018 21:51:57
Nah i would say 66.5% Chris 😉.

24 Jul 2018 21:55:34
@Kev, It was Scotty Sinclair that was our top scorer last season 🤣😉.

24 Jul 2018 22:06:17
Head and shoulders Johnny?
What a load of cack!
Sinclair has played for just two seasons. In that time he's scored almost 20 more goals than rogic managed in Six
If fact he managed to score more goals for Celtic in ONE season than rogic has in SIX
Rogics highest scoring season is twelve goals
Sinclair worse season is seventeen goals.
He also out performs rogic in assist rate as well.
He is by far a more effective and dangerous player. That is a fact.

{Ed007's Note - I'd have McGregor playing in the ACM position over Rogic every day of the week, he works harder, he goes looking for the ball and will track back and he is more effective going forward, McGregor is an overall better player than Rogic.}

24 Jul 2018 22:06:59
Rogic is 25 and imo this will be his prime season if not next season so yes rogic is worth £25 million in my eyes kev Despite how good Sinclair might be he’s nowere near worth what rogic is and definitely wouldn’t sell for more than rogic and as for Forrest he’s a playmaker type and was imo our best player off the season along with brown, he was miles ahead off Sinclair and more gifted aswell just need to be more consistent, if guys like lingard are getting valued at £50 mill hen Forrest is easily a £25-30 mill player.

{Ed007's Note - That's just fantasy stuff, Chris.}

24 Jul 2018 22:22:33
ElChris04 once again a load of rubbish.
Again in a bad season Sinclaire scored goals than Forrest.
Am pretty sure he had more assists as well.
So if Forrest job is to score and create goals (Which it is) Sinclair scores and creates more in a bad season.
In 10 years Forrest has score Just 57 goals. Let me say that again.
10 YEARS
Sinclair has scored 48 in 2 YEARS.
9 more goals in 8 more season and you think he's the better player?
Like I said before I am a Forrest fan and ED007 will back me up there but to say he's worth more than Sinclair is just a pile of dung.

24 Jul 2018 22:33:41
Aye very good Stevie 😂😂😂😂

100% right ed007. McGregor should start before rogic every game.
Big rogic plays some pretty football and scores the odd belter but McGregor bring so much more to the side.
More goals
More assists
Better work rate
Better tracking back
If your in the trenches I know who I'd want in there.

{Ed007's Note - I really wouldn't have cared one way or another if Rogic had decided to leave, I guess the lower contract we offered him was still better than the English Championship teams he was offered.}

24 Jul 2018 22:35:06
Genuinely don’t know how you think someone who’s nearly 30 and had a underwhelming season is worth more than Forrest maybe if he was 24-26 then he would have similar value to Forrest but as it stands today absolutely no chance. If clubs are going to buy one off players and they had s choice with either Sinclair or Forrest can confidently say Forrest would be getting picked all day long, when he plays consistently he is a much better player than Sinclair Imo.

24 Jul 2018 22:41:50
We are a far better team with Rogic in the team and playing in the number 10 role. The two best performances we’ve produced under Rodgers were home and away against City where Rogic was tremendous in both games. He makes us tick. Far less fluid when he isn’t playing.

{Ed007's Note - It was 2 years ago we played City, maybe we should bring back Toure, Bitton and Sviatchenko, or Izzy because they all played in "the two best performances we've produced under Rodgers home and away"
Pity Rogic couldn't help with us scoring 33 less league goals last season than the previous.}

24 Jul 2018 23:04:14
Every attacking player in the squad is responsible for our drop in goals, not just Rogic. Fact is in the big games he was often the man to make the difference when it was tight. Broke the deadlock at Ibrox in September, equalised there in March and then scored the opener in the semi final. He also produced a bit of magic when it was 0-0 after half an hour with Astana in the qualifiers. Who knows how that tie would have panned out if we’d gone in at 0-0. He has more ability than just about everyone in our squad. that's why when he’s available he plays number 10, McGregor pushes out to the left and Sinclair sits on the bench. That’s what I would expect to happen this season too.

{Ed007's Note - We drew 10 games last season compared to 4 the previous year, pity Rogic never broke the deadlock in any of them or even an assist, that's if he was fit enough to give us an hour. Rogic job is to create chances for other and score goals himself, he does neither enough for a team that dominates like Celtic.
I guess scoring against TRIFC is enough for some.}

25 Jul 2018 00:30:55
ElChris04
If Sinclairs season was so underwhelming while Forrest was so good answer these please?

1 Why did Sinclair score more goals than Forrest and end up our top goal scorer?

2 why did sinclair end the season with more assist?

25 Jul 2018 00:34:07
LM67 if he make us tick why does almost every other attacking player have a better goal and assist rate than rogic?
Jesus he only scored 4 more goals than Tierney and boyata.

25 Jul 2018 01:01:41
CAM doesn’t suit McGregor. McGregor likes to sit deep and time late runs into an attack. That’s how he picks up pockets of space

Playing cam he ends up having to hold the ball up a bit more playing with back to goal a bit more often which Rogic is much better at.

The most funny thing in the list though is bobo boyata 15 mil and Ajer 10 mil despite Ajer being a better player and younger.

25 Jul 2018 08:16:32
I think Rodgers said this a few weeks back and I think he was spot on. Callum Mcgregor is one of the most underrated players I’ve ever seen.

I reckon if we paid £5m for him we’d be saying he is as good as lubo. I don’t think he gets the credit he deserves.

He’s very good at pressing and will often win the ball back high up the pitch. Technically one of the best players in the team, players struggle to tackle him or knock him off the ball. Great finisher with both feet and often scores in important games.

As much as I like Rogic I think McGregor has got to be the main CAM for the sake of the team, most importantly he’s better at decision making than Rogic. All too often when Rogic gets within 25 yards he’ll shoot as opposed to playing someone in. Starting to remind me of commons a bit.

25 Jul 2018 10:44:08
ElChris04 you didn't answer my questions?

24 Jul 2018 17:38:15
Calling for Lustig to play tomorrow night reminds me of the game that went a long way to ruining Efe's Celtic career. Some may not remember but the big man started his Celtic career brilliantly, then went to the African cup of Nations, won it on a Sunday night jumped on a 10 hour flight back on Monday and played against Juventus on the Tuesday in last 16 of CL and had a howler. Blundered for Juve's first 2 goals if i mind right. The big man was never the same again 😩.

24 Jul 2018 18:17:20
Stevie Ambrose played a game then was on a 10 hour flight one day and played the next.
How is that anything like lustig playing his last game 17 days ago, having a holiday and flying in then training with the squad for 2 days then playing?

24 Jul 2018 19:01:44
Not being prepared or fit enough is the similarities, although admittedly through different reasons. The bottom line is none of them should/ should've play/ played in such an important game under those circumstances.

24 Jul 2018 16:05:22
Following are injured/ unavailable for Celtic's match v Rosenborg tomorrow: Dembele, Griffiths, Lustig, Boyata, Simunovic, Compper, Bitton.

That's 5 of the 8 "Centre Backs" unavailable for tomorrow's game due to injury or they are simply unavailable. That leaves us with 3 players who can play there. Ajer, Tierney, Hendry. I would easily three of those players that can play the CB position leave the club. I would rather lose, Simunovic, Bitton and Compper to bring in better. There are players out there that would cost less than we could sell them three for. Compper is the most pointless signing I've seen in years. These are the most important qualifiers for a long time and I feel like we are going to struggle.

24 Jul 2018 16:27:08
Do to the epidemic of injuries to centre halves at Celtic, if I was a centre back I wouldn't join Celtic, as I don't want to start the season injured like the rest.

24 Jul 2018 16:38:53
Couple points here.
1. Who would buy player like Compper
Biton or Simunovic right now?
2. What happens if we sign new CB and he gets injured? We just punt him again?

24 Jul 2018 16:45:46
Think Boyata is for the off also, Simunovic doesn’t look like staying. Can’t wait for the “we didn’t have enough time” to get replacement in classic from the club. Then we’re short at the back for 6 months of the season. Still missing Roberts and Armstrong’s replacements. Then after the season we just had we’re no better off than we were this time last year. Makes no sense.

24 Jul 2018 16:45:58
Much stronger Celtic side will face Rosenborg Tomorrow, last season Ajer and Nicham were making their first starts, mcgreagor never got a game. think Rogic or Forrest played stiker, still don't think they know who it was supposed to be. Armstong was in the huff, Edouard was still to arrive as was Hendry. Oh and the Green Brigade were banned.

Not really worried how we set up defence, as I think Rosenborg are going to be under the cosh most of the game.

24 Jul 2018 17:07:00
Bitton, Simunovic have been at the club long enough and haven’t improved. Compper has played one competitive game due to injury so that says it all. No of course not. You’ve changed my point to suit your argument kev. I said I’d rather lose them to bring in one player that is better.

24 Jul 2018 17:14:56
God Chris u love to be dramatic don’t u! Epidemic on injuries! I was sure it was only compper that was injured, hardly an epidemic! And if u were a centre half u wouldn’t join Celtic! My god u talk pish! The blame for us being short at the back for the 3rd year running is the board and managers fault plain and simple! We’ve been crying out for a decent Center half since Brendan came in and one still hasn't arrived! And don’t give me this pish about we’ve got plenty of centre half’s, because the only decent one out the lot is a 20 year old kid who’s been turned from a midfielder to a centre half! Ajer is the only one we can truly depend on out of any of the centre halfs! I’ve sat and listened to every exuse under the sun about us being short at the back, but to me there is no exuse! 1st time it happens it can be excused,2nd time ain’t good enough. but this is the 3rd year in a row we’ll be going into vital European ties with a patchwork defence! And this years qualifying will be the hardest of any in Brendan’s time here! It’s like Groundhog Day honestly! It’s no coincidence at all that going into Brendan’s 3rd season with us and there’s not one defender he’s bought that’s established himself in our team! But I suppose I’ll just get called a moaner and some fans are never happy! More like some fans don’t like to hear the truth!

24 Jul 2018 17:22:08
You actually said
"There are players out there that would cost less than we could sell them three for. "
So no I didn't change your point.
Again who would buy 2 unfit players and one that can't pass a medical because of his knee?

24 Jul 2018 17:25:03
Real bad luck for Dembele who looked really lean and sharp right through pre-season and with Griffiths sidelined as well it's a bit of a deja vu on this time last season with our strike force.
It's a double-dunt because of the defensive absenses, we could have done with maximum fire-power to see us through the qualifier.
However, there's still time to bring in new faces and if that fails we have a more than capable line-up around these lines:-
Gordon
Hendry Ajer Tierney
Christie McGregor Brown Ntcham Sinclair
Forrest Edouarde
Subs Ralston, Miller, Eboue, Allen, Hayes, (Rogic/ Lustig)

24 Jul 2018 18:02:00
There is a complacency about our club regarding transfers in my view.
We know every season that we have these qualifiers early in the season yet we always seem to start them with a weaker squad than we had the previous year.
We knew all last season that Boyata and Lustig may be at the World cup so could be unavailable. We also knew that Armstrong and Roberts would more than likely leave, yet the only player coming in is a player from St Mirren.
Celtic should be well able to identify targets from a very early stage and be able to get these players in for when we need them. Most, other clubs seem to manage it.
McGinn is a good example of this. If Celtic truly rate him then pay the asking price. By messing around he is now unavailable for the qualifiers and we may yet regret it.
This same policy didn't work when Ronny Deila was in charge, we failed to qualify for the Champions league and our attendances fell as a result.
Brendan Rodgers has done a great job, but even he won't be able to do it forever. We need to let him have the tools for the job.

24 Jul 2018 18:03:15
They can be sold when they are fit.

24 Jul 2018 18:19:09
If you find a buyer. Biton won't be fit before the window closes and SIM will always have that knee problem.

24 Jul 2018 18:24:32
I’m with LH on this. It’s fecking farcical three years on the bounce. No excuses will wash. I hope we have enough to get through, the truth is we should be pissing all over this mob. Instead, it’s the usual Celtic feck up show. Shambolic.

Let’s get stuck in and hope our team pulls it out the bag. I still think we will do it but by **** we don’t half make it hard for ourselves,

24 Jul 2018 19:11:09
Agreed MP.

24 Jul 2018 19:17:55
So Gerry we sign a couple of defenders for 3 or 4 million each on 25 grand a week over 3 or 4 years, overall outlay about 16 million to cover for Boyota and Lustig missing the first two qualifiers of CL this season. Thank God you're no running our club.

24 Jul 2018 19:43:30
Magicpole have you ever posted anything positive in your life? Using words like shambolic to describe your club that has just won a double treble is disgraceful. Try and enjoy times like this they might not last forever.

24 Jul 2018 19:43:57
Gerry we are not weaker than when we played Rosenberg last year.
To say we are is nonsense.

24 Jul 2018 20:05:07
Stevie. A club of our size shouldn't be short of defenders going into some of the biggest matches of our season. The planning should be done well in advance.
I haven't said anything about what we pay for players, what I'm saying is that for most of last season we have known that we would be without certain players for these matches, there should have been some forward planning. There are people at the club whose job it's supposed to be to do this.
We shouldn't take qualifying for granted. However strong we are domestically these matches are a step up in quality. We should be giving ourselves the best chance possible to win them.
We shouldn't just be hoping for the best.

24 Jul 2018 20:48:57
@gerry. For this particular game we're short of defenders through a suspension and WC players. We don't have room in the squad for anymore defenders. By the 2nd leg we will have Lustig and Simu back. I don't know what you mean by better fwd planning for those games? You can only mean more defenders signed which would then give us around 7 or 8 centre half when all back. If we play tomorrow night (although the moose will be a miss) the defence will be redundant for most of the game anyway. It's also worth noting we had best defensive record in Britain last season with those same awful defenders. I'm not sure there is better options out there within our budget, maybe the Scandinavian market young Ajer types but it will always be a gamble, sometimes better the devil you know.

24 Jul 2018 21:55:38
Stevie. We may have had one of the best defensive records in Britain last season but what about when we played in Europe.
How many goals did we lose to PSG and Bayern Munich, we were embarassed. Even Astana put 4 goals past us in the second leg of the play off.
I can't see how you don't think that defence can be improved upon.
As a season progresses you see weaknesses in your team, whether it's in defence, midfield or attack, surely it's mot unreasonable to expect the club to address those weaknesses and improve them for the following season, if you don't, the best you can hope for is to stand still.

24 Jul 2018 13:39:59
With Lawwell now back on the SPFL board in time to take part in the next television negotiations, surely that must be a positive, as one thing Pedro is, is a good negotiator, the only problem is he will need to get everyone to agree new improved tv deal ASAP.
We all know all the hype centred around Stevie Gee ( we Tims know it is just that over hyped nonsense) but if the TV companies based in England believe it, make it work for Scottish football, hopefully BT make biggest bid, but get it signed BEFORE Sevco start playing matches.

24 Jul 2018 13:51:58
The negotiations will take an entirety with Pedro back on the ball.

24 Jul 2018 11:29:45
Any whispers coming out of Celtic how Dembele is EDs or are the papers right for once?

{Ed007's Note - There's been no decision made on Dembele.}

24 Jul 2018 11:59:21
What's your gut feeling I think if it's 50/ 50 he won't be risked.

{Ed007's Note - If there's any doubt he shouldn't play. It's only Rosenborg we're playing so there's no need to risk him.}

24 Jul 2018 12:09:21
What is the situation with Leigh Griffiths? I feel it's been ages since I saw him in the hoops and remembering our striker 'crisis' at the start of last season - I hope it's not going to be similar?

{Ed007's Note - Round about the 11th/12th of July they said LG would be out for about 3 weeks so probably back for the next qualifier if we go through.
We've got a defender 'crisis' this year to keep the moaners happy.}

24 Jul 2018 12:24:53
With the papers harping on that talks have been brought forward with Boyata this weekend which I think is shite talk. My question is what is the situation with Boyata is he attracting all this attention really or is it just agent bull to get a better deal with Celtic?

{Ed007's Note - There's plenty of interest in Boyata and his agent will be pushing him to leave Celtic after the kind of wages he's being offered for Dedryck. After the WC his stock might never be as high again and this could be his last chance to move up to the silly league contract wise. I just can't see Celtic coming anywhere close to matching offers from England and Europe.}

24 Jul 2018 13:21:55
So it could end up like us and Hibs in our chase for McGinn going into last year of contact we will not let Boyata go for nothing but will demand fair price. So really money talks and if that's the case and Boyata believes that he could be next out the door then?

{Ed007's Note - Boyata either signs a new deal or moves on this summer.}

24 Jul 2018 13:24:11
Dembele out for 2-3 weeks according to br on Celtic site.

24 Jul 2018 16:39:23
Celtic owe it to Boyata not to sign a top ( for us) centre back until we have exhausted all hope of getting Boyata to sign a new contract .
We don't need a star centre half, but we need a dependable player who wants to play for us . B R is building a team that is better than the sum of our parts.

24 Jul 2018 17:16:48
If it's true that talks are planned between Celtic and Boyata this weekend if Boyata says no deal do we have someone who can come in before next round if we go through this one ED?

{Ed007's Note - I can't put a time on anything but if Boyata leaves he will be replaced.}

24 Jul 2018 18:33:34
Wouldn't matter what time cause someone coming in now would need to get up to speed just like Boyata has to do when he comes back too unfortunately Jozo got suspended do we know yet if he will have an extra games added?

24 Jul 2018 10:21:12
Wonder how Craig Levein will blame Hearts been docked 2 League Cup points on Scott Brown then? Love to see him get pelters at any turn.

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24 Jul 2018 06:34:08
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 24th July 2018