Celtic Banter Archive August 24 2014

24 Aug 2014 22:25:17
Ed a lot of chat on twitter world about lindegaard. Do you know if we are looking at a keeper with Forster away or is Gordon number1? Surely we still need another keeper with

{Ed007's Note - The whole thing sounds a bit strange to me, Danish media are only reporting what some BS English based website reported. Van Gaal did tell Lindegaard he was free to find another club and the player has had offers in England and abroad, so why is it only a loan deal being done?
If Gordon is our No.1 why would Lindegaard agree to come up and sit on our bench when he can play every week for another team and if Lindegaard is to be our No.1 why sign Gordon in the first place? The only feasible way I can see it is if Lindegaard is our No.1, Gordon on the bench and Zaluska is leaving.}

If Lindegaard is to come n I would expect him to compete with Gordon for the no.1 spot ( i'm sure he would fancy his chances ) I this would be good for Gordon as, from Saturdays performance, Zaluska is not good enough

24 Aug 2014 20:39:53
team selection on saturday spot on only think missing was a driver if he was fit don.t think he would have been rested I talking about broony hurry back

24 Aug 2014 21:21:59
Were you watching a different game from the rest of us. Poor selection all over the park. If we had gone out and won and had another opportunity to play the new RD way we would have had more belief going into this game. Too many changes and as for Griffiths and Pukki don't get me started.

24 Aug 2014 16:33:04
Champs league finish 3rd then europa final. Hey I can dream. HH

24 Aug 2014 02:20:41
I see a lot of posts leaning towards accepting (reluctantly) the result. Sorry (accepting might be a wee bit strong) but this is their job of work. They are paid to come to work and get a result. There was no discount for the fans because of the massive changes to what was the recognised first team. One or two changes is acceptable, 90% of the first team is not a tactical change it was a selection set for next week. While I fully understand the reasoning, I was cheated from seeing the full Celtic team give a display (football is a branch of entertainment). How many of yesterday's team will play or figure on Tuesday. I'm sure many of you will slaughter me for my opinion here but if you went to see a show where the main stars were replaced by all their second string without prior notice, would you not be upset? Not everyone can afford to put out the cash for ST or attend every game. This is not about the result, that can happen, but the team destroyed UTD then play like this! I think they should either have started or ended with what will be near enough next weeks team as they have not played enough games yet. This would have maybe won the game and given the paying customer at least a glimpse of the full team. Anyway, I've had my rant and now it's on to next week.

I can understand what your saying m8 and totally see where your coming from, but if changing the starting 11 yesterday the way RD did, as long as we get a positive result midweek then I think the Inverness game will be forgotten. On the other hand failure to progress to the group stages midweek and RD in my opinion will be under severe pressure m8

I agree with you mate. Squad is nowhere near acceptable standard and with money invested over past few seasons, you would think we would have a second string team that you could have faith in to do the job.

I know I keep going on about my disgust at lennons tenure, but I believe the buck stops with him.

Its his squad, it was him who signed majority of players and it his squad Delia has to rejuvenate and get rid of deadwood.

It shows you mentality of some fans when they think that because say 25% of players signed have returned a profit, its alright to write off the other 75% who were some of the worst duds to ever pull on the hoops! Its the wrong policy to have!

Im not saying that every player has to be class cause there will be dodgy signings along the way, what I am saying is a team as big as celtic should not be signing so many duds!

John Park for the few good players he has found, majority have been total disasters. Any manager who is celtic grade quality, should run rule over ALL potential signings to see if they are fit for purpose. Lennon would of done this and he is reason why we are stuck with one of the worst squads I have seen since early 90s.

Tiny, this team was sent out to try and ensure nothing went wrong midweek, if we had played a full team scraped a win then got beat midweek the same people complaining about the changes would be on here greeting that rd should have rested the first team, as you say I will reluctantly accept a defeat in the 2nd game of the season if we win midweek as winning midweek allows us to strengthen our team which is needed badly, one thing I will say about rd is that he seems to learn quickly from his mistakes he said last night that he made too many and said he learned lot about certain players, time up for some?

Commons a 32 goal hero last season, Griffith's regular scorer in SPL under several manager .Both looked a shadow of themselves yesterday .The question is why?.Nothing to do with playing players to their strengths some would have you believe but the fault of those that have left, easy cop out that .

This was a bread and butter game, you don't expect to win them all but you do expect an effort from all involved .Is this possibility the JC syndrome some voiced their concerns about prior to and after his appointment or players realising that they are not part of the new managers plans?Hopefully just a new manager finding his feet and players taking a bit of time to adjust .
I believe and most likely get a blast from the bow from a few that several players now at the club were never the choice of our last manager and the latest demands from the PL were a bridge too far for him .I also believe that RD was a cheap option by PL.
Even before he got settled in a couple of players were sorted for him which questions his authority giving his dislike for loan players, his words .It remains to be seen if RD can rise to the challenge of an over zealous influence from the boardroom, a plant in the dressing rooms (JC), getting players into the same sort of mindset as himself and rebuilding the team with very limited resources knowing that your better players will be sold of with the first scent of new £ notes, all this whilst trying to keep a very demanding and large fan base onside.Do all that and RD will fall into legend status .The clock is tic ing .Good luck .

The whole season is Tuesday night. Appreciate you may want to see the first team playing, but had they all played and we picked up a few injuries you would be calling for RD's head. Hopefully going forwards we can see one or two of the youngsters getting a run out each week as part of a rotation- only then will we know if they will ever be good enough. 10 changes is too much, but we have 36 games left to make up the lost points, and the £3m first place prize- but only one chance on Tuesday to win £15m. TUESDAY IS THE SEASON. I for one applaud the management team on yesterdays selection, and hope everyone is fit and fresh for Tuesday night.

Jeeze! The The THIRD league game, away to the current form team, and the moaning has started! They needed a freak OG to win, and we had plenty chances to score, point a finger at the players for that.

He done the sensible thing in protecting our players.Lets give this guy the chance to turn the whole club round to a fitter and quicker team.Another point is he now knows who will cut it under him and sadly Commons seems to fit into that bracket, same with Griffiths and a few more.We have been carrying dead wood for years time to clean the squad.

DN 30. Hopefully you will get over your hatred of Lennon soon . Maybe Lennon had better ability than Deila at getting the best out of the players . Commons and Griffiths and even Pukki showed at the end of last season all scored regularly . This season under Deila these players have appeared as nervous wrecks.

Ttts, did he score the 32 in the first 3, games, he has only scored 1 less than this point last year, the celtic manager in season 65/66 only won 1 game in his first 5, I wonder if he went on to be a legend?

@DN with much less of a budget and less calibre of player, so who would be the better manager?

@DN your hatred of Lennon really is disgusting. Has he done any better or worse than Oneil or Strachan, better than Oneil in Europe and reached same level as Strachan in Europe yet these managers are revered.

24 Aug 2014 18:14:30
DRB, let's not be silly, no one suggested 32 goals in 2 matches, I was suggesting positional choices and attitudes. RD himself said wholechange would be unwise, yet he sends out a team that bordered on friendly match selection with proven goal scorers in unfamiliar positions. Seems a tad amateurish to me. Maybe he will go on to achieve greatness and I will be the first to praise him, in the mean time the jury is out.

Yourman, greenock morton game last season. Lennon fielded his first team. Embarrasing result. Delia fielded second team againist a better team than morton. Got beat. Now would you like to reassess what you said regards lennon getting better out players?

Rayman you are ridicolous. You are embarrasing yourself. Basically what you are saying is that anyone who is not a fan of lennons managerial abilities automatically hates him? Do you think norwich city supporters hate chris hughton?

Budget? Appointing a manager of Delia standard is a massive step up in quality, within budget compared to lennon

24 Aug 2014 18:41:56
@Your man. Maybe the realize there time is up and about time too as commons has shown absolutely nothing this year .

The only person here getting embarrassed here is you, I not the only 1 on here noticed your hatred for him, how is RD a step up in class? (cos you say so or because of what he has done in the game) let's see what has he done in the game eh. precisely nothing.He might go on to be a good or even great manager but at this precise time he has done nothing.Compared to Oneil and Strachans budget lennon had much less of a budget and achieved the same. some may say that a better achievement (the sane anyway but certainly not you).

Dn30 I am certain that Lennon fielded a considerable weaken team against Morton last season . RD in the course of the game on Saturday played all the regular goal scorers and I just thought they snapped at their chance or delayed too long . Something wasn't right and let's hope DR can make it right . Which is more important than petty squabbling over our last manager .

24 Aug 2014 19:29:58
Your knowledge of Norwegian football and it's managers is second to none DN, thankfully we have the pleasure of your analyses on this humble forum. Surprised you haven't been swept away to the sly studios already.
GIve us a run down on RD again and the advantages of employing a manager from the mighty Eliteserien.

Rayman strachan is remembered now for what he done @ celtic bu a lot of fans didn't like his appointment, but your right in my eyes he's one of the better celtic managers in yrs considering he had to clean up oneills mess on a fraction of the budget oneill had. DN we all get you despise a celtic legend who put his own safety and his familys aside for his love of our club, brought us 3 in a row, last 16 etc, yeah some of the players are poor but whos to say they were his first choices, god forbid if we don't make it on tues I take it youll blame lennon as well?

Marco I would have thought the most important thing any manager can do is get the best out of existing squad , as you have to rely on them until you get better players . I am worried why our goal scoring by our attacking players has deteriorated so much from last season .

TTTS as we have already exposed- any manager unless they are "celtic minded" in your eyes are not welcome.

What ever way you try cut it, twist it, spin it- that was lennons signings apart from zaluska- end of

24 Aug 2014 23:36:56
Feel free to quote me DN where I have mentioned Celtic minded apart from replying to you. This Celtic minded thing seems to be eating you up.I'm sure you and ever other fan, me included would be very disappointed if the person employed by the club hadn't it's best interests in mind so this Celtic minded thing is really very irrelevant.
As for it was NLs fault that Celtic got beat at the week end?
Really, you've talked yourself into a hole with all your hatred for one of Celtics servants and you need to continue your rabid utterings to save face.
I'm sure others me include will give you a break if you want to step back from the brink.
RD made mistakes at the Weekend, his words.For the sake of the team I hope he gets it right and goes on to be a legend but in the meantime the jury is out.

TTTS as I said end of

TTTS my full reply never posted for some reason.

No. Your trying to twist things. Total and utter b******* your talking. So basically any manager who has no prior affiliation with club does not have best interests at heart cause due to this they are not "celtic minded"? Are you listening to yourself? What about likes of Wim Jansen? But of course you will make exception for likes of Martin Oneil cause he is irish.

Yes, fault lies with lennon as squad were HIS signings and simply not up to the task. It just goes to show HOW BAD A STATE LENNON HAS LEFT CLUB IN, when Delia felt when making tactical decisions that he could not take any chances risking second crack at the whip in CL next game at Maribor by playing the best of a bad bunch againist Inverness.

Evidently you cannot think logically and know i'm right, by saying I hate lennon now. Get out of jail free card cause you cannot give a reasonable argument to suggest i'm wrong.

Whether you like it or not, lennon has created this mess and I gurantee you within 2 seasons there will be a mass exodus of duds and il go as far as to say i'm predicting free transfers for some or a substantial loss. I will even hazard a prediction that lawwell knows this and very little will be spent to counter balance defict.

Step back from brink? Sounds very much to me you cannot handle the tension of debating with me cause you realise that the only reason you have to be fan of lennons managerial reign was the fact he was irish and he was a hero as a player. that's all you have

25 Aug 2014 21:02:36
Before you post and put your big size 10 in your gub all the time try to at least read what you are responding to. Sit back and reflect on what is said instead of rushing head first into a response that is total gibberish and fails to debate with what has been posted.
Here I end this debate as it is agressing into a playground argument and I will not be drawn into such as it serves no interest to anyone.
I will quote that old saying again, was it Lincoln? 'never get into an argument with a fool.as he will drag you down to his level and beat you '
Bon voyage ole mucker.

Im a size 11 actually.

There is nothing constructive you have said to give me any reason to change my opinion. It is evidently crystal clear that because I have a different opinion to yours, that you and a few others cannot handle the reality of the situation we are in.

Too many people like yourself that are quick off the mark to start critisicing Ronny Delia, when he has inheriated a squad that is simply not good enough. Even lennon publically stated when asked if he was staying near end of last season that he had a major rebuilding task ahead of him.

Seems to me everyone is at fault apart from lennon and it would be interesting to hear your view on inverness game if lennon was still in charge.

Its a pathetic attempt to accuse me of hatred towards lennon. I think you will find during world cup I was full of praise for his commentary skills. Said he was a natural. Even discussed this with ed007.

TTTS if we are going down the road of quotes how about this one. Fitting for yourself "if you can't handle the heat, get out the kitchen"