Celtic Banter Archive October 23 2015

 

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23 Oct 2015 20:26:46
Ed how long is Dermot Desmong likely to remain at the helm of our club? Is he here to say? Who is likely to take the reigns when he does decide to move on? i feel our club needs a shake up from top to bottom! From the boardroom to the management team to the team on the pitch! I don't have a problem with RD I just don't believe he was the correct appointment in the first place and 16 months down the line he has done nothing to warrant me changing my mind! He said when he was appointed he was going to introduce a fast attacking brand of football which we clearly do not play! In fact the football on display is so uninspiring it's painful to watch at times! However if we were to sack RD who do we replace him with? How will a new manager make any difference if he has no money to spend to prove the team! Can we find a coach to make the current crop of players any better, I seriously doubt it! I look forward to the day the leadership of our great club changes hands and we can finally move forward.

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{Ed007's Note - I don't think Dermot Desmond has any plans to sell up yet, what he should be doing is looking for a new Chief Executive and someone to fill the role of Director of Football. Our recent annual report shows that Peter Lawwell isn't doing his job well while being the highest paid employee at the club whom it seems has perfrormance related bonus that don't change no matter the level of success/fauliure and are tied up in vague terminology nobody knows what he would need to do to see any deficit in the terms, and John Park's performance should be reviewed immediately, between the three of them they all have to take the blame for the slow deterioration of the standards at the club on and off the field.
Even if Deila was sacked tomorrow there wouldn't be any change in the clubs' fortunes or direction, the next manager/coach will still have to work under John Park and Lawwell as they continue buying mediocre players, we'll flop in Europe through lack of investment and the timing of investment and people will blame the manager who, just like Ronny Deila, is working with one armed tied behind his back because our Chief Executive can't see past anything John Park thinks about football.
The CEO, Football Development Manager and the coach should all be working together towards the same targets, our CEO and FDM have meetings then tell the coach what's going to happen - that's never going to work - especially when there are members of the coaching and playing staff carrying tales.}

23 Oct 2015 23:51:05
Ed we have not flopped in Europe just through lack of investment. We have been beaten time and time again by teams who have invested less than we have. All of the RD supporters fall back on lack of investment. Whilst that is restrictive RD is not getting the best out of the team.

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{Ed007's Note - We consistently gamble on qualification before strengthening the team, that's lack of investment especially when you consider we lose at least one top player a season, why was Simunovic not brought in earlier this summer, why are we scrimping and scraping signing players like Lassad on the last day of the window over the years, and what do we hear when we do from fans 'Let's give him a chance, he'll come good' and surprise surprise he's not - Scepovic? A player that didn't want to be hear but again the CFC board seem to think any signing will do, it doesn't matter how good the player is or how bad his attitude is, our gullible support will lap it up and have a song made up for him.
Lawwell spins the same bull$hit every summer no matter who the manager is about getting players in ready for the qualifiers, the fans lap it up and then we end up routing about for players nobody wants after spending weeks pi$$ing off teams on the continent with the way we are doing business and messing clubs, players and agents around.
It's the last week in October and we've signed a striker, what good's he going to be in Europe?
Tell me how much we invested in our team pre Euro qualifiers the last 2/3 years.}

24 Oct 2015 00:55:29
Utter bollocks Johnny. Lack of investment is no the problem with Deila. Problem is Deila having no say in transfers. i'm sure the boy Kamara who plays for Molde was available on a free end of last season, yet we opted for Cifti nowhere near as good.

The only way we will get rid of Dermott Desmond, Peter Lawwell and John Park is boycott.

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24 Oct 2015 02:18:18
RD I am not saying that we need investment. The argument you put forward is that RD is failing because of a lack of investment. The teams that are beating us have less investment than we have so your argument is out the water. Why do we need investment to beat Molde? Their entire team cost £4 mill. Understand the CL stuff but Molde? You have no argument here. It's just crap management.

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{Ed007's Note - So just keep selling players like Forster and replacing them with Gordon is a good business model to follow, why spend money to replace VVD and Denayer when we can go with Mulgrew and Ambrose before making our most expensive signing - a CB - when we're already out the CL.

Our CEO has publicly stated:
‘Celtic can buy a £6-8m player if the value is there. We would not buy a 29-year-old at £8m on a four-year contract at £40,000 a week because that is dead money. But if there’s value in signing an £8m player we will look at it.'

How many players in that bracket do you think we've looked at, Ciftci, GMS, Armstrong, Scott Allan?
One or two players in the spending bracket Lawwell peddles would make all the difference to our team. The lack of investment in the squad is hindering it's progression under RD, I really can't understand why you would think otherwise.}

24 Oct 2015 08:09:45
RD you just keep going back about business practice, buying and selling players. The point I made is why do we need investment to beat teams like Molde who are 7th in their division and bang average? Start looking st that because if you give any manager money anyone can go back and say we never gave him enough so that's why he didn't make it. So again I ask you why do we need more money invested to beat Malde, Malmo, etc. as for him not being allowed to "have any input into who we buy. Well not having that. He should grow a pair then.

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24 Oct 2015 11:30:49
Morning Ed, Firstly, your retort/synopsis of Ice Man's OP is one of the better ones I have seen you make and worth digesting

But RD IS! becoming a part of the problem too mate, he was 4th or 5th choice but to me he has an air about him of knowing he WILL NOT be sacked!

If we digest DD's "report card" of RD all is rosy and well and it ain't we are not talking about 1 or 2 not trying there are PLENTY not cutting it now IMO

In PL/DD even JP especially PL don't have a long "shelf life" left in them before seeking retirement pastures await again IMO and are happy to "fleece us" it may be time to vent our fury at them because as you say they will still be there I cannot see PL staying any more than two seasons after this one anyway.

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{Ed007's Note - Of course RD is a part of the problem but he isn't the cause of it and he is THE only one trying to improve things. What has DD, Pedro or John Park done to help RD?
He's been set-up as the fall guy for the same mistakes being repeated over and over again by those higher up like Lawwell and John Park, the next manager will have the same problems just as the previous manager manager had.
If we get rid of RD who do you think we'll end up with as manager, it'll be some clown like Pat Fenlon or Park will promote his old friend John Collins and that'll be the plan completed. CFC job is fast becoming a poison chalice because of the way the club is ran, even to other clubs, agents and players the word is that CFC are not easy or courteous to deal with, making enquiries about players and leaving people involved in limbo while Lawwell fobs them off with excuse after excuse.
The board and Peter Lawwell want CFC to be a regular CL team without having to invest to do it, the small club mentality surrounding the club is stifling it and those currently in power need to go asap, Peter Lawwell is spinning a pack of lies and has been for years, it's unbelievable that there are so many supporters gullible enough to believe him.
One major part of Ronny Deila's problem was the board's reluctance to strengthen the squad for the CL qualifiers yet we spend millions on a CB after we're eliminated - where's the reasonig in that and how can that be Ronny Deila's fault?
Ronny Deila is there to manage/coach/train the players Peter Lawwell and John Park procure, if the incoming players aren't up to standards, and there's no need to go through the exhaustive list of dud signings, how is that RD's fault, justl like it wasn't Neil Lennon's fault for all the flops and odd diamond and just like it wasn't Tony Mowbray's fault we signed Rasmussen, Rogne or Greig Spence.
With more misses than hits in the transfer stakes the entire player recruitment process needs overhauled, there doesn't seem to be any clear direction coming from that side, do you think RD and Lennon before him didn't think we needed a LB, another CB even before VvD left, or after 2/3 years of the fans screaming for a physical striker as another option who decided signing Carlton Cole at the end of October was a good idea?
If anything Ronny Deila could be regretting taking the Celtic job, having been lied to by the CEO since day one can't be helping build trust to get everyone pulling in the same direction of what's best for the club and not best for certain individuals gain in the political football arena.
And most of the supporters are on the side of the man destroying our club from the inside!}

24 Oct 2015 12:54:51
Ed I don't think he wa lied to by the board. I think he told the board he could transform the club bring through young players and bring this new brand of at racking football to Celtic. I think he believed he could do it but he can't. He thinks his system is the answer but it's not. He is probably starting to doubt his own ability now but who knows what was said st the interview stage. It was a gamble but is going wrong. However I agree we may get another untried manager if he goes. To be honest the whole thing is a mess.

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{Ed007's Note - It takes a lot of work to turn young players who were basically ignored and let play crossy in for a couple of hours a day into first team players, and his track record proves he can do it but it'll take longer than a season to do it. Did you expect our team to be 10 under 21s and Craig Gordon by now?
Why was RD allowed to tell Tony Watt - in front of witnesses - that every player was starting with a clean sheet only for Peter Lawwell, the man who gave RD that power, to sell Tony Watt the next day, the fee had been agreed before RD or Tony Watt knew there was even interest in the player. I wonder if Peter Lawwell or John Park ever told RD who the other 'keeper they were close to signing last summer when he first came, in fact I wonder if that other 'keeper even existed.
You can't change an entire club in just over a year, especially when there are powerful people hiding in the shadows fearful for their jobs in the overhaul.
Thankfully some of the power seems to be switching to RD after he convinced Peter Lawwell that John Park's 'Star Summer Signing' Danny Wilson wasn't any better than what we already have in the youth set up, Peter Lawwell was of the same opinion as RD but how many players does Lawwell put his blind trust in John Park and it ends up with an endless line of mediocre strikers coming in, flopping and losing us money when they eventually get moved on - did you know that when a player is sold without asking for a transfer fee his loyalty bonus the FULL wages of the contract are paid up in full unless the players' agents negotiate a deal.
How many millions has John Park's mistakes cost the club?
It's not Ronny Deila that is failing just now, it's the same thing that's been failing for years - player recruitment - RD can only coach the players the club bring in.}

24 Oct 2015 13:05:54
If what you say is true then RD has no balls and that makes him a bad manager in itself. He must stand up to it and insist he is in the loop for player recruitment.
But we can't ignore we were playing a team who specialise in counter attacking football and rely on teams attacking them.
So what does our great coach do? He attacks them AWAY from home and plays into their hands.
Why not keep it tight for first hour making us hard to break down and hit them on the counter to see where it takes us.
We are away from home in Europe where our record is appalling and our manager wants to attack ffs.
He is either 1 of 2 things. Very naïve or his ego is too big.
Cos I don't think he stupid.

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{Ed007's Note - I'm really shouldn't even waste my time trying to explain it to you again, you obviously think football today is some skewed version of Mike Bassett: Football Manager. Mourinho, Van Gall, Pellegrini all have very little input on transfers, Liverpool have a committee and Abramovich has his advisors, Real Madrid have Zidane and others who decide transfers/football philosophy, both Madrid and Barca's Presiodents buy players without even asking the coach opinions. Patrick Viera has more power at Man City than Pellegrinihas and Guardiola has been nothing but a coach at both Barca and Bayern Munich, he has no say on transfer targets.
Sure there are bust ups and disagreements but that's it but the days of managers running the whole operation are long gone.}

24 Oct 2015 13:30:10
Ed, very little to or could contradict there a was fuming last year when PL called us "delusional" it cracked me up but he "broke cover" last year to defend RD and following this years disaster of a start in europe his silence is deafening!

But RD was an experiment without a doubt shrinking the squad I can actually see him sitting @ the initial interview talking about developing youth / rough diamonds and that lot lapping up the thought of the "sell on's"

but the whole encompassment of the post including being lied too / short changed / swimming against the tide I can fully accept mate

But he does look out his depth here and although a gifted speaker it has shown throw IMO and only further hampering us

It is why a said throw the entire fkin youth on ffs if RD came out and said his point was getting across etc and that was why he did it plenty would be behind IMO a know you call them "panty-wetters" and accept your train of thought but RD does not have many chances left IMO this could be the next Molde game if things don't go our way

He needs to do something radical, big and QUICK

ATVB JB7.

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{Ed007's Note - My point is that nothing will change though, there's something far wrong when men like Henrik Larsson and Roy Keane turn down the chance to manage us. What do you think that is?
Peter Lawwell needs to get a quality Director of Football in who gets on with Ronny Deila and is on the same page as him and leave them to run the football side of things. John Park's continual interference is really starting to hinder the club in it's attempts to move forward, the money he's wasted on desperate disaster signings is enough to warrant his removal itself.
Dermot Desmond wouldn't stand for such incompetence in his other businesses and I'm hoping there will be a review of the entire footballing operation. Here's a wee story about how things work these days, while AVB was manager at Chelsea it was obvious that results weren't going their way so Abramovich brought in a panel of independent specialists to look at the footballing structure around the club, the main problem they found was that AVB' trainging methods were a tad outdated and not as effective as they should be under closer scrutiny - that's why AVB left Chelsea, his training methods weren't up to the expected standards}

23 Oct 2015 22:11:01
Bailey

Janko, Lustig, Suminovic, Tierney

Bitton

Forrest, Armstrong, GMS

Griffiths, Cole


I would have this as my team and formation for SPL and Europe.

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23 Oct 2015 23:06:56
It's at a stage now where it appears any team would be as good as another . Lustig has deteriorated at a massive rate this season . When did we last see him as a centre back?
We haven't seen Cole at all for a long time, how does he walk into team?

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24 Oct 2015 02:21:10
RD reading your post again. You think we need investment to beat Molde? Just put me right here? Is that what you are saying?

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23 Oct 2015 21:31:06
Scott Brown, the biggest answer to our problems.

The highest earner at the football club with not an ounce of football ability, says it all about where we are as a club and to make it worse he's our captain so with that he's going to play every game when fit as Ronny has no balls to drop him. Wake up to this imposter because he's costing us time and again with some of the worst passing I've seen from a so called professional footballer that you can only laugh at that he's found himself in such a position at our club, if you didn't you would cry. Added to all this the guy has another 3 blinking years on his contract, doesn't end till Summer 2018, what were we thinking, we're stuck with him, not a chance anyone will show any interest in him during the windows. He's pulled the wool over so many supporters eyes, one of the biggest mysteries in our history as to how he's done this, if he played for the scum we'd all be laughing at how poor he is as a footballer with his plastic kiddie on hardman act on top of it let's be honest.

We need to find a way in which to get him out the side and out of our club but believe me this will be difficult with the length of contract he has left and the wages he's on, Ronny really needs to drop him, he can't play football, every time he gets possession he inevitably gives it away again, this is more noticeable in Europe but happens regularly domestically as well. Why we let Kayal go who is bossing the championship with Brighton currently for this guy I'll never know. We have the worst captain in Celtics history I firmly believe that imo both as both a footballer and a person representing the club. And don't give me our domestic title record under him as captain, a monkey could have captained this side to the titles over the last few years and our domestic cup record under him as captain has been nothing short of shocking and disgraceful.

I realise we have other problem players at the club who need hunted, the likes of Gordon, Johansen, Armstrong, GMS, Cifcti, Izzy, Boyata, Mulgrew, Stokes, Boeriggter and you could perhaps even throw in the likes of McGregor, Forrest and Griffiths if we're being brutally honest. The list seems endless and it will take us years to sort this mess, the board have let the playing side of things slide into a real bad place full of very overpaid mediocre players.

But it all starts with the captain, the biggest change has to be made there in the playing side if we are to improve as a club and team, then the rest follow suit and we get back to some sort of decent standard again, radical change is warranted. This won't happen under Ronny, he's not a strong enough character to drop Brown, imo only someone like Roy Keane as manager would have had the cojones to drop Brown. Very few managers drop the captain they inherited as manager, only the strong ones do and choose their own captain.

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24 Oct 2015 01:09:41
Was going to say you're barking up the wrong tree, but I think you're just barking.

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24 Oct 2015 12:09:31
The folk who have disagreed with my post and you aindoh are the exact people who have the wool over their eyes when it comes to Brown, it will forever remain a mystery as to why so many people rate our poor excuse for a footballer and captain in Scott Brown.

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23 Oct 2015 20:44:31
I think there is over reaction towards Delia. Also surely Lustig has to move to centre back.

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23 Oct 2015 21:46:25
Over reaction! That's got to be a joke mate, u can't be serious! Did u actually watch that shambles last nite or maybe u caught the shambles in Malmo or maybe Warsaw! Over reaction! The guys so out his depth it's not even funny. believe me when I say this that nites like last nite will happen again under this guys stewardship! getting humped by a team 7th in Norway and it's an over reaction! People can come on here and try to defend this guy all they want, or try and deflect it to somehow being commons fault! Or other utter pish that they can think of! Ronnies stay with us will not end happy! And I'll bet any amount of money that any person on here defending him wants that we'll be humiliated again under his leadership! Probably startin with molde at home! Times up for him and his staff i'm afraid!

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23 Oct 2015 23:20:16
Can not agree more DH88, this guy has been a shambles from day 1. He has had a few results in Scotland but other than that he has made us in to a laughing stock around Europe. He must go and take Collins along with him, I did have time for J Kennedy after what he went through but he clearly no master tactician either so it would be best for all if he joined the other two in moving on. NOTHING will improve with these guys at the helm.

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24 Oct 2015 00:19:15
Over-reaction indeed Scotspur. It's just the same folk waiting with claws sharpened for a defeat though.

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23 Oct 2015 19:28:58
My team for celtics next game would be, Bally Janko Tierney Jozo Blackett Brown Bitton Armstrong Rogic Stokes Griffiths, playing 4-4-2.

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23 Oct 2015 20:54:40
That would be the best team possible mate.

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23 Oct 2015 20:56:54
I've really got to laugh, Blackett is the the worst defender I've ever seen in the hoops, and we've had some scheidt.
What has he done that's any better than the dumplings ambrose or boyata.
The problem is the system, leaves defence too exposed.

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23 Oct 2015 21:24:16
Totally agree mate, I think stokes should come back in not done anything wrong for me and us better than half the midfield were playing right now RD seems to have a problem with him, attitude or not he plays commons so let's just play our best team from now on.

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23 Oct 2015 23:43:37
You know things are bad when people are calling for stokes to come back in. The man is absolutely pathetic.

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24 Oct 2015 00:18:03
Play the next generation team, as they would show more desire than the so called first team.

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{Ed007's Note - The panty-wetters couldn't handle that - imagine a young player gave away a throw-in!}

24 Oct 2015 00:32:58
Celtic "ni" how do you come to that conclusion. He'll play the shirt of his back for our team. Unlike a few, including commons. Stokes bleeds celtic not the Bassas that are running it.

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23 Oct 2015 19:09:02
I don't think RD will be sacked. But i think Collins and Kennedy have to go. Who would be your pick as replacements? . I reckon if RD stays he has to get his own choices in.

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23 Oct 2015 20:59:05
Petrov to me after hearing him the other night would be a great manager. Even had GS told a couple of times.

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23 Oct 2015 18:25:21
Could someone tell me how keevins knows Ronny was bought for European purposes? What the feck is he going on about? As far as i remember it was to bring more home grown players through and develop a style that needs no change for Euro comps.

These people are lining up to slaughter a man, who let's not forget was not on the pitch, who played players who made basic mistakes. These players need to have a look at themselves. And for all the Commons acolytes, what had he done till he scored?

The fact is this. We have too many supporters who seem to think we have a divine right to win because we are Celtic. Get it right we are nowhere near a CL club, we are barely a Europa league team. Forget Barca, great night, but football theft if your honest. Sometimes it's like that.

Get this champions league crap out of your heads. We need a rebuild. we have done since Lennys second season. Ask yourself this, would you support a team with maybe 6-7 teenagers in it? Would you be happy missing out on trophies for a couple of years while they got experienced?

Lastly. These clowns on fone ins, do they actually know where Cetic Park is? Our attendances would be higher if, as these clowns say, they go to games. My own particular pain in the head? A whiny assed nightmare from Greenock. Never calls when all is well but EVERY time we have a reverse he is there.

Think. Who would you replace Ronny with? Keane, Coyle, Moyes. dream on.

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23 Oct 2015 19:03:47
Green Jhedi Good man an excellent post . Commons just cannot do what he did last night and not suffer the consequences . Players can dissent in the dressing room, not in front of cameras . Last night was a terrible night for Celtic made worse by Commons, but Celtic will get over it . Sacking Deila now would probably be wrong, he could yet given time be a very successful manager for us . As G J says we have no Devine right to win away from home in Europe .
Just one more thing last night's conditions were atrocious and Norwegians said if it were a domestic game it would have been abandoned .

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23 Oct 2015 19:25:03
2 points GJ, EVERY manager is brought in for CL football because that is our Mecca. RD is no different.
Question to you for point number 2, What type of team are Molde? Are they an all out attacking team who break you down eventually or are they a counter attacking team who RELY on teams attacking them so they can hit you on the break?

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23 Oct 2015 19:49:53
I remember getting pelters by some on here 2 years ago after Lennons poor CL group stage campaign I said we were a CL group stage team and we were punching above our weight reaching last 16 the previous season , the responses went along the lines of we should be a regular last 16 , qtr final team. I still believe we should be a regular CL group stage team and are now punching way below our weight. Now we are getting posters saying we are nowhere near a CL group stage team. Its frightening how much our standards and expectations have fallen in 2 years.

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23 Oct 2015 19:56:57
Green Jhedi I appreciate your opinion as will several others, but I have to differ on what you’ve said on here. I agree we are no longer a Champions league standard side, but that’s down to the players, management and board room – not the fans. We have fans who have been faithful renewing their season ticket every season without fail for what? To see the team dwindle to this garbage.

As a Celtic supporter I find it my divine right so expect Celtic to beat teams like Malmo, Quarabag, Molde etc… These teams should never have been allowed to get to the standard of our club, we should have invested in youth development and proceeded to buy players of Celtic quality. It wasn’t a life time ago GS was getting us to the CL last 16 on consecutive seasons neither was it that long ago NL had taken us to the last 16. So I have to say I do expect us to beat these teams.

As for sticking the boot into Ronnie I have held my boot back several times with the attitude of give the guy a chance but making the same mistake over and over again. Was it not said the definition of insanity is making the same mistake over and over again. The 4-5-1 is not interchangeable when attacking it doesn’t look like a 4-3-3 it looks like a 4-5-1 with two holding midfielders who don’t budge. We have Griffiths who with better service will score more goals, but I’ll tell you what if I was the oppositions manger I would sit one of my CB tight on Griffiths and the other one being the sweeper cause that appears our only source of attack. Defending wise the player choice is poor, atrocious transfer dealings, but to continue with Zonal marking and concede so many. I recon a blind man could spot that it doesn’t work better that the horrid trio on the touchline. Honest Ronnie, Collins and Kennedy look clueless.

I had said earlier I don’t agree with player disrespect for the manager but Ronnie and that lot needed it. We fans need to at least know someone in that squad care’s for our team and I can at least put my faith in Commons. He might not be a world class player but I like many other tend to count on him when we need him, his goal symbols to me what he is all about. He gave us the chance of coming back into the game but typical no structure held and we let them right back in.

Finally when replacing Ronnie we should be on the lookout at the moment for the next manager we can acquire rather than panic stations and taking in what was our 3 or 4 options.

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{Ed007's Note - Commons cares for the team??

rofl

Kris Commons couldn't give a stuff about the club, the team or the support. The only thing Kris Commons cares about is him and his own career, he's been the same all his life. Kris and his people play a very cute PR game that is actually quite sinister when you can see through it.}

23 Oct 2015 20:15:28
Ed I understand where your coming from as it's now a money driven career. Players tend to lack passion for their clubs now.

But I think you have to consider commons out burst yesterday was fuelled by anger that we were being beaten and for him to be the goalscorer and be hooked off when there were players on that field less deserving. That to me is the stand out when someone is that hyped up because of the results, every celtic player on the field should of known we needed to dig in and get a result.

Instead we have the captain coming out and saying we never showed up statin the obvious. That's not an acceptable response. If you never showed up where the hell where you then. There is no justice if we accept these answers.

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{Ed007's Note - It was completely unprofessional behaviour and another example of Commons throwing his toys out the pram when he doesn't get his own way. Not only did he embarrass himself which I don't care about but he embarrassed the club again which is unforgivable in my book.
I'm hoping Bolton can somehow scrape the money together to stump up and get Commons' negativity away from our club in January}

23 Oct 2015 20:35:29
It was unprofessional from commons to act like that but then again the whole back room staff is unprofessional
Collins has a reputation for dressing room unrest and Kennedy is only in the job through sympathy
I couldn't care less if commons or any player in that team leaves however I think it's too far gone for Ronny to win back a divided dressing room and the board won't invest the money to allow change.

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23 Oct 2015 20:40:07
I think the team that was fielded last night and the managements lack of ability to correct it last nifht embarrassed us more. Commons was just the tip of the iceberg. Anyway everyone's entitled to there opinion on the team ed, so got to give you it your obviously not a fan of commons. Would you say anyone else in the squad list could honestly replace him and provide the assists and goals he gave us so far in Europe? There are players who need a crack of the whip and that maybe youth players but who would you have in mind?

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{Ed007's Note - I suppose accepting behaviour like that is just another sign of the decline in societies acceptable standards these days, thankfully we have a captain who still understands what it means to play for a club like Celtic and the standards expected of you as a representative of that club. Perhaps the pig ignorants like Commons could learn from an exemplary professional and reformed character like Scott Brown or notice the improvement in Leigh Griffiths game since he knuckled down and followed RD's advice - Commons might even get his fitness to a level where he can play 90 mins for us under the shiny new terms of his two year contract.
I really don't imagine replacing a 32 years old Kris Commons 7 goals in 42 European appearances shouldn't be that hard to replace even with John Park's limited scouting ability.}

23 Oct 2015 21:33:09
He's not the first player to have a rant when subbed and won't be the last and to tell you the truth John Collins I would imagine wouldn't be hard to fall out with, the arrogance of this man is legendary and the sooner he's booted out the better for all

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23 Oct 2015 22:13:17
Maybe John Park does have an idea of the of the player we need but it's been long enough in the waiting to end up leaving us with a result like last night.

I for one have diverted my attention of the media's hype of the Commons incident and realised the real issue that was evident from last night. We got beat, ans not only did we get beat we were humiliated by a 7th in the Norwegian league team. Now that's saying something.

We need changes at celtic park and we need them soon before qualifying for the Europa league isn't even possible.

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{Ed007's Note - You're best ignoring the media on an matter, especially anything to do with respectful behaviour.}

23 Oct 2015 23:13:39
Doesn't matter if Commons is the best player to ever play for Celtic ( he is very far from it ) what he did last night was. Atrocious and no matter what happens he should never be in a match team squad at Celtic, At 31 he knows fully to keep dissent to the privacy of dressing room .
He has disgraced our club.

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{Ed007's Note - It's not often I agree with you, Chris but you're spot on here, it's not like some wet behind the ears kid overstepping his mark - this is one of the supposed senior members of the squad who should be showing the younger players how to behave. The guy seems to take pride in the fact he has caused problems for every managers he's worked under, some people might suggest that's why his career has been so up and down with a lot more downs than ups.}

24 Oct 2015 00:07:31
RD and Chris, the woeful inept performance yet again embarrassed our club. Jump on Commons behaviour all you want in an attempt to protect Ronnie and deflect blame but the club was embarrassed by the total lack of effort and commitment last night.

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{Ed007's Note - The thread is about Kris Commons, that's why we're talking about it here, there's plenty of threads to talks about RD, it's a system we find works but it helps if people can read I guess.}

24 Oct 2015 08:30:49
Ed If you read the post I do mention Commons. As you point out it does help if people can read. Works even better if people can understand what is written.

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{Ed007's Note - On a thread dicussing Commons you're accusing us of using him to deflect from Ronny Deila when there are already plenty of threads regardging the manager, why were you trying to twist this thread into another anti-RD one when there are plenty.
As I said, try and stick to the relevant content of the thread.}

23 Oct 2015 15:22:21
RD if anything needs to show a pair and change it for Sunday IMO Brown and Biton pick themselves IMO

So how about lining up Bailly, Janko (or Lustig ) Jozo and Blackett CH's, Tierney LB

Front mid three let's see Allen (if fit? ) If Cole is fit play LG in the whole or in the left of the three and a suppose it would be Armstrong simply because SJ not cutting it KC not after that outburst GMS and JF at best impact players/ 20 min players/subs IMO Or even young Nesbitt but it needs something radical like that and it needs it quickly!

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23 Oct 2015 17:02:50
There's a clear lack of natural width. Our midfield is full of central players apart from Forrest who has no end product and GMS who seems to have found himself struggling for form/consistency.

Bailly

Janko
Lustig
Simunovic (? )
Tierney

Brown
Bitton

(? )
Rogic
Johansen

Griffiths

That's the team I want to see looking forward.

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23 Oct 2015 18:05:29
Roy Keane as manager, johannson chased with RD and JC, Stokes up front with Griffiths, all the DUFC latest arrivals off loaded, and convince Sceptic he's what we need.
Bring back O Connell, Liam Henderson,

An average manager would have beat that team last night with the players at Celtic disposal.

Absolutely shocking from the weetibix
Eating teacher. Has to go.

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23 Oct 2015 18:10:06
Keane. Are you serious?

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23 Oct 2015 18:32:12
Tts must be smoking the wackey backey, a load of Raffael Scheidt was typed in that post.

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23 Oct 2015 18:41:13
Lol kev. The same Keane that turned us down? For what? People just can't see the real problems with the club. Almost makes me laugh.

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23 Oct 2015 19:07:51
This season Johannson has been very poor, although I thought he played well for the first half hour last night .
Lustig has really disappointed this season, he really has been v poor and we need the like of him on his game .

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23 Oct 2015 22:05:25
The RD brigade can't see past the awfulness of his style and systems.

We've enough players to build a team to hold their own in present euro compo. But we have some sort of a wanna be control freak in control. DH would be hoking through stools to see who's eating tunnock teacakes Keane would be sending out a team that wouldn't be smirking like johannson after a defeat.

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23 Oct 2015 23:36:17
Yes GJ very. Why not. As for Kev your post like most of them not worthy of an answer.

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24 Oct 2015 01:08:59
TTTS you really don't have a clue.

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23 Oct 2015 15:21:29
I wanted to wait until I had calmed down before I posted about last nights match. I've had a kip, a day at work and I'm still just as annoyed at how bad that was. Not a single player gets pass marks, not one. Then you've got Ronny, head in his hands in the dugout with no Plan B and a fairly poor Plan A if I'm honest. Pathetic from all concerned. Then we have the cherry on top of Carlton Cole, a free West Ham reject signing when RD has already came out and said he needs a quality striker. That honestly sums up our club atm and PL will be very, very lucky to see my £600+ next season. It's getting harder and harder every year to hand it over to him when you know deep down you're being fleeced.

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23 Oct 2015 19:10:19
I agree with all u said, from goal keeper out we were atrocious .
I wouldn't criticise C Cole to we actually have had him playing for a while, he may
make a difference .

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23 Oct 2015 22:25:23
He might end up doing really well for us Old Bhoy but my issue with his signing is the lack of ambition shown by the board once again. Wait until the window shuts and then bring in a half fit trialist and see how it goes. Fingers crossed though, I'll give anybody a fair crack of the whip who wears the hoops.

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23 Oct 2015 15:02:56
Well the general consensus is the deila experiment is failing and or failed. Personally I think it has failed the job was simply to big for him.

There are a number of good (Maybe not great) managers out there at the minute so now's the time to replace him

Brendan Rodgers (Probally not enough money)

Nigel Pearson

Roberto de Matteo

Pipo Inzaghi

Thomas Schaaf (Former Werder Bremmen)


With the money available to celtic I think these would be the only decent managers that would look at the job and my favourite would be Schaff.

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23 Oct 2015 15:59:12
I don't think it has. How can people be calling for a managers head when we're still in all competitions and top of the league? I'm not saying I'll not change my mind in 6 weeks but right now it's just ridiculous. Would any of those managers want to come to Celtic with what we'd be paying and giving them as a transfer kitty? I doubt it. I'm still behind Ronny 100% right now as he's had a raw deal with the defenders at his disposal.

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23 Oct 2015 17:11:06
Cmcbhoy are you for real? The entire team were made to look mugs by a team 7th in their league. Never mind about lack of cash at Celtic, do you think that team are paid any more. Do you think that the players they have playing for them all cost loads of money? The entire team cost under £4 million to assemble. They have a striker who I believe is something like 37 years old. we allowed them to play like they were Barcelona and they made us look like mugs. So either the entire team are just not playing or trying or the tactics are all wrong. This happens too many times against average European teams. No one looked as if they gave a toss last night. I don't think any player would have gone out with that attitude under Fergie or Stein. They would have had their head turn off. Last night was the worst performance ever. Ronnie experiment has failed.

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23 Oct 2015 19:16:25
I laughed when I read B Rogers name, he talked the talk at Liverpool brought them up to near the top of the hill and then took them to the bottom again .
We can change the manager, we could have a good remainder of the season, but next season we could very well be back where we are now. Changing the manager is a lottery, but changing now when we haven't given Deila reasonable time, only doubles the risk . IMO anything less than 2 full seasons isn't giving anyone a chance .

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24 Oct 2015 00:12:30
Old Bhoy tell me then what is success after two seasons. Please just tell me? If we fail to get into the Champions league next year is that failure or if we just win the league is that good enough. You see everyone that supports Ronnie never spells out what success actually looks like. For me it's simple. Qualify for CL. That's it. In 2 seasons he had fIled to do that.

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{Ed007's Note - Did you want Neil Lennon sacked for not providing CL football and no European football at all one season? Why did he get extra time and yet RD shouldn't?}

23 Oct 2015 14:50:50
I would take NL "mess" over this dross any day of the week!

What happened to having even our domestic opposition beaten at the thirty minute mark? Instead of this mince we are enduring where we beat the other SPL by the odd goal RD can role out do his Ronny Roar and tell us how good we are ffs!

Last night he was clearly rattled and talking in riddles at that post match interview!

It's this simple if Molde come and beat us @ Parkhead and I think they will score given they play "on the break" and we are piss poor at the back if the results don't go our way on bonfire night and we are OUT of the EL there will be fireworks for sure and RD will be in big bother with n hiding place it is a result driven business regardless of how we mask it he is for sure without a doubt well into his "cat's lives"!

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23 Oct 2015 13:11:23
It's was a shambles last night Time is up Ronny Seriously how could he have given the most famous shirt number at our club to the worst forward ever to wear the Hoops Cifti Ronny do the right thing and walk because you are not doing Celtic or yourself any good and Mr Desmond if your not going to invest then step aside 🍀A club like no other🍀.

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23 Oct 2015 13:10:10
Hi there, just want to see if people agree with my verdict on the game last night. I will also apologise in advance for this rant.
That performance has got to be one if not the worst performance I have seen from a Celtic side in Europe. It appears to me that the only person that seemed to show any passion for the game was Kris Commons and at that he was substituted. I for one am a strong believer in showing the manager the respect he deserves when he makes a decision; but last night was a wakeup call for Ronnie and his cronies. The team lacks hunger and an aggressive drive for the Celtic name, badge and support. The players we have signed appear substandard. I have heard people raving on about the likes of Bitton and Johansen if you want me to state the obvious would these players have been in the squad in the last 5-10 years. Not a chance in my opinion, the likes of Wanyama, Ledley, Petrov, Lennon, Nakamura etc. would have kept these incompetent substandard Celtic players in the reserve squad from where they belong. I know people will disagree with some of the names but IMO only Lustig, Brown, Commons and Griffiths are the only players of an acceptable calibre. Lustig is of a higher class of player, Commons can provide moments of magic, Griffiths is a goal scorer - without service and a partner - and Brown although poor performances of late is a team leader.
Now onto the management side of things. It's time for Deila to go I strongly believe in giving him a chance, but let's be honest he is tactically inept. He plays the same old formation 4-5-1 against every team not only does he play it he plays it poorly. We have a defence that's more loose than Katy Price we're conceding goals non-stop. CG is a shambles does this clown not realise that pushing the ball into the strikers path is giving them a second chance. Anyhow as for the management side we have recruited players that would be more suited to teams such as Aberdeen and Dundee United without any disrespect it's true. These players don't understand the meaning of Celtic Football Club. I do believe Ronny improves players as individuals but he doesn't know how to build a proper European Standard football side. John Collings and Kennedy are inadequate as well, they appear to know f'all. Zonal marking has cost us on several occasions when something is broke you fix it. Putting Efe, Izzy and Boyata in the same defence is like playing Russian roulette with a pistol and 5/6 being loaded with bullets.
Concluding my rant Deila need to step down, we need a manger who has tactical knowledge and is willing to put his foot down with the board and Liewell. We need a manger who knows the meaning of "The Celtic jersey does not shrink to fit inferior players. " I honestly think it's now at the stage where Celtic fans should at least leave the first 5 minutes of a game at Celtic Park empty to let them know we aren't happy. Yes we are faithful through and through but we need the team to realise we do not accept the way they are playing this is NOT the Celtic way.

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23 Oct 2015 14:14:36
There is absolutely no doubt that the vast majority of our squad would have had to buy a Celtic Jersey in years gone by, but we have been steadily heading in this direction for years now and the people that run the club have steadily dismantled us from the inside, while we all accepted it.
The constant sale of our best players being replaced by far inferior fakes and the perennial failure to produce a 'gem' from the best facilities and resources in Scotland is an absolute outrage. Add to that a policy of puppet managers and you can see how deep the rot has set in.
There is no doubt in my mind that Lawell has been stalling and treading water since Rangers died, awaiting the emergence of the replica club to raise revenue etc.
We should be light years ahead of everyone else in Scotland given the advantages we hold, but we have not only stood still - we have seriously declined.

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23 Oct 2015 14:42:11
That was a good post 4leafclover, it pretty well sums everything up.

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23 Oct 2015 15:58:42
I agree with everything u said, although as much as I want it things aren't going to change any time soon . To get change, we need change from dd, pl and the management going. I didn't particularly want Roy Keane, but as soon as he turned us down it was obvious there was to be no budget given and very little help from the board. This will continue with every manager they bring in until there is someone in charge who puts the footballing side first before a profit/loss sheet .

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23 Oct 2015 20:08:50
Quinn1888, what's really getting me down is the fact were accepting that nothing is going to change soon. At what point have we went to support Lawell FC or Dermot FC its Celtic FC you can own the club, but what we need to remember is this club is about the fans and the Celtic family.

The fans need to either protest outside Celtic Park, get the banners in the stand, delay arrival to games for 5 minutes and let these crooks realise they can no longer steal from out pockets. They cannot put a pile of. you know the rest, . on the park and tell us these players are of Celtics standard. I can honestly say I could pick 11 fans from the stands and they would work harder and play with more passion that the team that was disguised as Celtic last night. Why are we accepting players thinking playing for Celtic is a career move rather than a privilege?

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23 Oct 2015 12:26:31
Like the majority of fans I'm angry at being beaten by yet another mediocre team and frustrated at the complete lack of progress in the development of the squad as well as the quality of football we've had to endure. I'm not naive enough to think that all the blame is with RD, we all know he was the cheap option and the one that wouldn't voice his opinion or challenge PL or Park. So unless we as fans show the board that we are sick fed up with how Celtic is being managed then I'm sad to say, we better get used to more humiliating results.

If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem!

It's time for action a Bhoys!

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23 Oct 2015 11:55:56
I am sick of hearing for the last two seasons in Europe from rd SB and many more that Celtic didn't turn up for the game , we are an embarrassment. I worked out last night 3 tops two pairs of shorts 1 trackie and much more for my bhoy 2 season books Europa tickets = over 1400 pound just to Celtic alone never mind what I spend on traveling its a joke I never want to hear a Celtic fan say that the zombies are gullible , we have been a golden hen for the Irish parasites at the top table the board need to hang ther heads in shame for what they have done to are beautiful club , in the case of commons he was completely right to do it publicy , as he seems to be the only one at Celtic with any heart or effection and like himself I was shocked at his substitution was shocking as he was are best player on the pitch , rd has not got a clue what he is doing and in my mind he has only allways been a yes man the same as the next one this joke of a board will bring in it time we stand by each other and route this board out.

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23 Oct 2015 12:36:34
Got to Irish parasites and you lost me mate. Disgusting.

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23 Oct 2015 17:10:11
I don't know if you know this gj but the whole board is Irish, all multi millionaire s , DD is second richest man in UK worth over 2 billion personal fortune and still gives him self a wage, now I don't know how you think but in my eyes that's a parasite, do you want me to explain what a parasite is.

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23 Oct 2015 10:57:01
Reading all the posts from last night and today and the concensus among us all is that Delia must go.
We have a lot of Delia apologists on here, saying "give him time with his philsophy" including sadly ED007 who sees no fault in our manager but blames everyone else. I ask WHAT FECKING PHILOSOPHY?
Delia picks the team, takes them every day for training so must take his share of the blame. He does not seem to have a plan B, does not appear to work enough in training with our ropey defenders, picks players patently not good enough. Delia came with a reputation of bringing in good young players well let us see some of our decent U21 players get game time.
I keep hearing about, "it was a bold move to appoint Ronnie" no it was not, he was the CHEAPEST in terms of salary Lawwell looked at.
Desmond and Lawwell and Park are all also at fault. No decent investment in our club from the majority shareholder, Lawwell only interested in his bank account or a job at UEFA, Park who I think is past his sell by date.
But the only way these guys will listen is if we the fans, say enough is enough, starting on Saturday, BOO Lawwell and Delia, keep the protests going. (it hurts me to say boo a Celtic employee but we the fans have to make OUR voices heard)
Delia has embarrassed Celtic FC once too often in europe.
Desmond has treated our club with contempt.
Lawwell just wants a big bank account.
Park should be retired as chief scout forwith.
Collins just get rid.
Kennedy, I feel some sympathy for as he has had no real experience and no guidance from the other coaches.

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{Ed007's Note - I look at the bigger picture, when things look down I just remember how $hite things were under Lennon where the club was more like a social club than a football club and there's still some rotten apples acting the same.
Did you expect our team to be full of self-prduced youngsters aftet a year?}

23 Oct 2015 12:02:57
I think that even allowing for the set up at Celtic, the manager should be able to get more out of the current players than what Ronny is getting at present.
I can only judge on what I see on a match day, and what I see is a team who seem to be getting worse as time goes on. The tactics are poor, Ronny doesn't seem to be able to change the course of a match that is running away from us, and there looks to be no motivation or fight in the players.
I totally agree that things need to change at the top, that goes without saying, but a lack of tactics, motivation and team spirit, can only be blamed on the manager, you don't need lots of money to instil these qualities in the team, it should be the minimum requirement.
As I said, changes need to happen at Boardroom level, but the manager shouldn't be able to hide behind this, to cover up his own failings.

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23 Oct 2015 12:43:55
ED007 I agree with a lot of what you say, but you seem to have a blind spot where Delia is concerned, yet shine a spotlight on all Gordon's mistakes. all i am asking is for some balance.
Delia has patently failed in european games, and for a so called european coach with new ideas they sadly do not work. At Celtic Park we should be playing with 2 up front in all domestic games, I will give you that in europe playing better teams 4231 is probably the better option, but Delia has no other plan, he cannot seem to change a game by employing substitutes at the right time or tweek the system to cope.
Where I strongly disagree with your good self ED007 is your continuing slating of Gordon yet seemingly absolving the manager of any blame. Yes Lawwell and the board have dealt him a weak hand but a half decent coach should be able to improve ANY player under his guidance, Delia has patently failed to improve this current Celtic squad.
Delia is more at fault than any player as he picks the team, tactics etc, sees the players in training so should be able to work out the most suitable players to play in any given game. Delia does not have the intelligence to do this.
One final point teams like Malmo, Legia, Maribor and Molde have half Celtic's budget but their coaches are able to do decent things in europe, why can't your Ronnie?

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{Ed007's Note - There can't be any balance until the manager is given a fair crack of the whip, having a GK who hasn't played for over 2 years forced on you as your No.1 to replace an English internationalist and who you have no idea about was the first major mistake Lawwell and Park made, after that it just went downhill.
Having one of the Football Development Manager's SFA cronies forced on you as your assistant was a major mistake as anyone who has met Park knows he can't be trusted when it comes to what gets back to PL. John Collins is there to report back to John Park, he doesn't bring any coaching ability to the table and still holds a grudge against Scott Brown, that's the petty mindedness and childish attitudes we have in our dug out
RD wanted Commons out the door because of the problems he causes at training yet because of idiot fan power John Park and Lawwell gave him a two year deal - that's another two years of him and his ego swanning around like he owns the place whilst delivering very little on the pitch, he's nothing but a fat lazy egomaniac only interested in himself and how many wonder goals he can score a season, he's caused problems every where he's been and has caused problems since he walked in the door at CFC.
Do you think someone as meticulous as RD decided to buy GMS and Stuart Armstrong within his first FIVE months of ever coming across him or was that deal set up by someone who has been working in Scottish football for years and knows all about them?
I could go on and on but the main point is, at least we still don't have Neil Lennon at the helm.
Ronny Deila deserves at least much time as the previous manager - after all it's his mess he's trying to clear up.}

23 Oct 2015 12:56:22
A social club that won qualified for the champions league and even progressed in the champions league, under the same constraints, not to bad I suppose.

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23 Oct 2015 13:02:01
Couldn't have put it better myself Gerryc! Spot on mate! We all know and have all said that Lawell and his cronies need looked at and held accountable! But it's to utter lack of tactical knowledge and naivety, especially in Europe that only the manager and his staff can be blamed for! Let's not beat about the bush here, that last nite was an abysmal performance against a bang average team! And it's not th 1st time either! Yes of course we've no divine right to win any game but its the manner of these defeats! We were humped last nite! If there finishing had been better it could have been artmedia all over again! Shambles!

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23 Oct 2015 13:17:37
Ed in my opinion Commons has been a fantastic player for us. Ok I'm not privvy to what goes on behind the scenes but on the park I can't fault him. Not sure I'd have given him a 2 year contract but in Europe this season he's been involved in almost, if not all, our goals.
You said JC still holds a grudge against Scott Brown? I didn't know that so possibly explains why he's not been on top form this season. What exactly is his problem?
I can't decide if I'm still behind the manager now. I don't understand why he hasn't sorted out our defending. Get big Sutton back!

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{Ed007's Note - Commons plays for Commons, he is not and never has been a team player, how many times does he take a shot from 20 - 25 yards rather than play the ball in - that's a sign of poor decision making and is easy to defend against, defenders allow him to get into those areas because 9/10 times they end up flying over the bar. His lack of movement and effort off the ball affects the whole structure of the team. Commons, in my opinion, should be starting on the bench and coming on with 20 mins to go.
Collins and Brown had a serious fall out at Hibs and there's still a mutual disdain of each other, not to mention a lot of players don't seem to understand why he is where he is and like Ronny Deila they respect John Kennedy as a coach much more than Collins. Kennedy has travelled the world watching and learning different defensive methods and drills etc and I think he will improve as time goes on, unlike Collins Kennedy is at least willing to learn - John Collins already knows it all from 20 years ago - and have you ever noticed that RD speaks more to Kennedy than Collins when talking in the technical area during game?
Even if RD wanted to bring in a defensive coach to help Kennedy it's not his decision to make, that would be up to Peter Lawwell and he would ask John Park's advice, RD's opinion would be irrelevant.
We should get rid of John Park or find him another job, perhaps head of youth development, and bring in an experienced Director of Football who will work along with RD in getting the best from the footballing side rather than the balance sheeets and bonuses. The better the understanding between the two the better the chances of success, let RD do what he does best, coach and have the DOF doing everything he can in his power to give our coach the tools he needs to build a winning team at home and abroad all the while making sure the club is structured to allow that success to continue and progress with newer moderner methods as they arrive.
A proper set up from the grass roots up would serve us well for the next 20 - 30 years but it will take a bit of time to get it going, if the level of investment is £1.5 million for dross like Ciftci I'd rather see the money spent on improving the infrastructure and play a youngster in the squad. We should be consistently producing players at that kind of level and then any money spent can be spent wisely on players with a bit of extra quality to move the team on. Peter Lawwell doesn't look interested in building a team, all he wants is to bring in the next player who we can sell on for profit - when was the last time we signed a player that was a higher level than where we were?
Ronny Deila is not a manager, he's a first team coach, there's very few managers in the game today, none of the top manager's in the world are responsible for the things at their club that some people are blaming Deila for, Mourinho has very little to do with player recruitment at Chelsea as was Brendan Rodgers at Liverpool.
Once you see who a modern club is structured you see that the buck doesn't stop with the manager although that's the way the boards want supporters to think, it keeps the spotlight away from the same mistakes which have been going on for years behind the scenes.
P.s. I done that on my tablet so excuse the spelling, grammar etc (yes)

23 Oct 2015 14:04:37
ED, I can't understand how making the team worse is clearing up the mess from Neil Lennon.
If Ronny is as good as you say he is, should the team not at least be playing at the same level as they were under Lennon.
From what I see, performances have been getting worse since he took over, how long is it going to be before he even gets us back to the level we were at under Neil Lennon?
He just looks weak to me, he can't stand up to the board, and it doesn't look as if the players think much of him either.
If as you say, certain players are trouble makers behind the scenes, then we need a strong manager/coach in charge of them, who will sort things out and command respect.
Ronny has been in charge long enough now that we should be seeing improvements on the playing side, but from where I sit he is making things worse, we don't even look good enough for the Europa league now, pretending it's everybody else's fault can't disguise the fact that he looks a pretty poor coach.

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23 Oct 2015 14:56:49
Can't disagree with much there Ed apart from you're opinion of Commons. Sometimes I feel we miss a player who has a go. Not since mcstay, apart from maybe Petrov and a couple other who have a go from 20-25 yards. Not comparing the players but it's something I like to see. Loved Collins as a player and thought Ed001 was spot on about arrogance in a player vs a coach. Maybe that's why I'm a fan of Commons.

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{Ed007's Note - I love seeing players taking a pop as well but it's really all Commons does, look for space for himself to get a shot of now matter what the other options are.}

23 Oct 2015 17:26:16
Ed007 if that is the case why does Ronnie allow PL etc to decide his back room staff and if he has no time for Collins he needs to grow a pair and go sort it out! Or is it a case he wants the job st any cost and will simply do as he is told? If that's the case the players will have him sussed put by now and they won't turn up! All very well about what you would like to see re infrastructure and developing players but Once again we are told by Brown that "we never turned up". Ronnie tells us "he is disappointed" yet again. Are the players at Molde better players than at Celtic? I don't think so? Does the club spend more on their players? Don't think so. Is that not the same for Maribor and everyone else who has put us to shame in Europe so far this season? Ronnie needs to sort out if he is a manager or a yes man and he needs to do it quick.

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23 Oct 2015 10:40:38
Morning Folks,

This is my first time posting but I've been coming to this site for years, however I feel compelled to give my thoughts on some posts regarding last nights result.

Ok, Celtic lose an away match in Europe, this is nothing new our away record in Europe had always been dire, its the same for every Scottish club and most English clubs as well. The way in witch we lost last night was a concern though, once Molde scored the players looked lacklustre and where pretty poor. I think everyone will agree a lack of investment has hit the club hard, now I believe the likes of Armstrong and GMS are good young players with plenty of potential and I think under Ronny Griffiths has improved greatly. What we lack is a cutting edge. One or two top creative players who can make a difference and help lift the team on the pitch.

. Now I know what some of you are thinking 'but we have Kris Commons, he can create and score goals! ' Well my friends let me give you my view on commons (rant warning)

Kris Commons is. poison, I know sounds dramatic but I think its the best way to describe him. He cares only about himself, yeah he scores the odd sexy goal but he delivers very little else to the team, he respects no one but himself and his own perceived ability. You know what, poison is the wrong word to describe him. in fact. yeah I'm going to say it. Kris Commons is our Barry Ferguson. Sorry, I had to say it.

I was genuinely angry to hear some fans jeer Ronny and cheer commons. I'm not saying the manager is above criticism, no one is but to cheer that ass hat commons made my blood boil! He scored a goal last night, what else did he do? Nothing. Absolutely zilch. Oh yeah he threw a hissy fit when he got subbed, some people seem to think that's passion well its not its petulance, where was his passion on he pitch?!

A lot of our players had a bad game last night, in fact most of them did but the demonising the manager and hero worshiping someone like commons is not the answer to our problems.

I genuinely beleive we have a good manager who can go on to do great things with our club but I think he is hamstrung by a board who are to afraid to invest in the quality we need and a scouting system not adequate enough to identify this quality.

To be a great celtic player, manager, coach, scout or groundsman your ability is only half of it, what really counts is your attitude, your humility and your desire to what's best not for you but for those around you. I think this goes for us fans as well.

If you want to support a team where only winning matters and all you want is to be part of a super special elite members only secret hand shake club. well I hear a new club was formed a couple of years ago in the southside.

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23 Oct 2015 19:52:51
Kris Commons scored a goal what else did he do? That's a belter.
He did what EVERY other celtic player cudnt do.

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23 Oct 2015 10:27:59
New poster on here-Things are getting dire folks-Another humping from a below average team In the 2nd rate Diddy Europa League-Imgine if we were in the CL with the CL teams. Not worth thiking about.
Cant condone Common's reaction but at least he shows he cares which is not obvious of his fellow players. RD in my view is totally out of his depth and needs replaced sooner rather than later as the worry is that he gets a result without a performance on Sunday and the board will paper over the cracks and think all is rosy again. As we all know RD isn't the answer but a bigger question to you all is, who is the right man for the job? We know we can't expect a high flyer or someone with a pedigree as we have been down that road many times before. Not even sure that any ex. players like Lambert would be interested even if the job came up as they know the internal issues that each and every manager face. I personnaly would give Malky McKay a go as he may give us some dig and let's not forget he knows what celtic is all about. HH.

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23 Oct 2015 08:22:58
FAO TTTS, Dh88, Aindoh, Johnnymac, Jim1972, Malika, Cardinal, Englishbhoy, Bigbhoy, Badbhoy, MattyC, Timalloy and any other regulars shouting for RD to go:

The reaction on here last night was overwhelming. Understandable, people tend to get animated when they're angry or upset, and us bhoys don't take losing well. Of course, there were the usual few crawling out the woodwork because we lost. But I ask you to ask yourself; is RD really the problem?

Sure, he's not without criticism. But he has his hands tied, like our last manager, and it is the running of the club above him that has been taking us backwards for a few seasons now. Constant skimping, saving and trimming has seen the quality of the playing side reduced, SEASON ON SEASON. The lack of investment is shocking and anybody that has bought a copy of the Celtic View has contributed more than the board. VVD, Denayer, Guidetti and Matthews have all not been replaced properly in just one window. Our manager has no say in players or even his own assistants.

Just be careful what you wish for, because RD leaving won't change the mentality of the club.

Anyway, we're still in it. Don't need to go into the ifs and buts of last night. It's a results driven business and last night was a bad result. Call me naive but i'm confident we can beat hat lot at home and pick up another result.

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23 Oct 2015 08:47:09
Jim Tim there's a few things I'd call u but naive ain't one of them! Deluded and clueless are a couple of the things and there's more but my post won't go up if I put them on! Is it really RD fault that we can't defend any better than my nephews under 13s! Yes it is because he takes training every day! Is it RD fault that he keeps pickin ambrose despite the fact the guys the worse defender I've ever seen! Yes it is because he picks the team! RD words from last season were judge me in year! Well here we are out the CL once again and after an absolute humping from a team 7th in the Norwegian league! Yes that's 7th pal! It was 3 going on 6 or 7! Yes Lawell and the rest need to answer for the penny pinching and cost cutting! But if u can't put a team on the park that can do simple defending and passing then your not the right man for my club! How many chances do u want this guy to get honestly? Did u actually watch that game! That was shambolic from back to front! Utterly shambolic against a bang average team! Now were have we heard that before! your judgement after a year is here Ronnie, take Collins and Kennedy and leave my club! Totally out of his depth!

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23 Oct 2015 09:19:28
Jim I posted last night that this clearly goes deeper than rd but I don't think he is exempt from blame. In fact I can't think of anyone who is. We have a major share holder who won't answer questions about the direction of the club unless that direction is uprooting the full club to the epl. We have a chief exec who's only concern is £. Both his and the clubs. So football and quality goes out the window. We have a failing scouting system who are throwing millions at guys who wouldn't get a game in the championship. Our manager has one idea regarding formation and style of play and has no back up or plan b. We have an arrogant useless assistant and a sympathy vote coach. And the players themselves. Gordon boyata ambrose izzy ciftci Forrest gms the list goes on of people who will never be in the class we are used to. Our recruitment policy seems to be who's playing well at Utd. Or who can we loan from man city, or Man U. I have never felt so out of touch with my club as I do today. And the Malmö and molde games away are two of the worst games I have ever seen Celtic. This might be knee jerk but I don't think so in fact there was a lot of the same rumblings last season but I predict just like last year the team will stop playing in Europe for the winter and the team will go on a run against the domestic rubbish and all this will be forgotten about again. Ronnie will be roaring and everyone will be talking about how good and hoe fit we look playing in a below average league. I hope everyone remembers this feeling because we seem to forget about it when Europe isn't involved and everyone from top to bottom continues to get away with it.

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23 Oct 2015 09:25:08
Jim Tim. You could put up your argument for every manager in every league. Blame the chairman. Blame the director of football, blame the players. Blame who you want. In football it's the managed that carries the can. Ronnie has no plan b at all. He just changes personnel not tactics. He seems incapable of playing any other way. Regardless of that if Ronnie feels that Collins, Kennedy or shomever are not good enough then replace them. Ronnie talks big. He claims we have improved compared to last season? Nonesense. We stumble from one European crisis to another. He has never got it right in Europe and never will. The Commons episode has been coming. More will follow. RD no longed has an argument for keeping his job. Mode are 7th in their league. Probably the worst defeat in Europe since he arrived.

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23 Oct 2015 09:41:56
Last night was absolutely brutal! I was/am desperate for Ronny to succeed, like his ideas, and think he is trying to look long term for the club, basically I don't think he's an egomaniac, or glory hunter like many managers/players. He seems noble, one of the good guys. That's not enough though, I don't know if he's too naive, too nice, something isn't right though, - everyone goes on about John Collins, and problems with him and players, at the same time no one ever knows anything definitive. Even when friends bring it up they just say I heard Collins is arrogant, and the players can't be bothered with him! Something is wrong behind the scenes that's for sure, even after the game last night more and more people I spoke to as the night went on were mentioning Commons', - some like him (mostly because of his goals) loads think he's the biggest problem at Lennoxtown. After watching back his antics last night, not so much the strop, but the pointing to the fans to back him up was pathetic! I just wished the whole team pointed to the fans after the Malmo defeat to see what we were thinking then instead of shuffling up the tunnel with their tales between their legs. With the benefit of hindsight I wish we had brought in a PROPER director of football and got rid of John Park, appointed Ronny as head coach, and not given Commons a new contract. Collins might be super arrogant, he might impossible to deal with but he was 3 times the player Commons is. If Ronny does leave I hope all the troublemakers and complete chancers get kicked out along with him!

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23 Oct 2015 10:18:10
I've been called worse by better people Dh! ;) Like I say, he's not exempt from criticism. E. g., He shouldn't be playing Ambrose, but I've seen enough of Boyata to say he's a pish individual by now. And Blackett is hardly the answer. It's above Ronnie when were arguing over which of those 3 should play. Does he pick all the signings? No. Now i'm not sure which ones he does pick but that's why as a whole we need more transparency.

Touching on Delphic's comments, there are aspects of RDs character that are an absence to what NL brought. Said it all along. That bit fire and grit. But i'm also glad he doesn't fined himself charged or banned every couple month. I also said we'd miss big Johan more than NL and i hink it's showing.

If we are to change the set up it starts with the board, then Park, then RD. And EVEN THEN, i'd like to see RD given a role with player development rather than sacked.

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23 Oct 2015 10:06:00
Jim Tim you are always asking the club to give RD money. Last year we list £4mill so the money in any quantity is not there. How much do you want to give him? Next point is this. So far he has not shown that he can even manage so who is going to trust him with millions? He needs to earn that trust to get any investment. I for one would not invest anything in the Ronnie experiment.

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{Ed007's Note - Until people understand the way the club is currently structured and ran posts like this are just a contradiction of themselves, player recruitment has very little to do with the manager and the money spent on it has even less to do with his remit.}

23 Oct 2015 10:45:20
I also had to laugh at the fact that Commons had to be escorted out the stadium by a PR man, - I wonder where the PR man has been for the last 125 years! From top to bottom it's one brass neck after another! Lawwell isn't even man enough to come out in situations like this and take control. He isn't man enough to tell the fans who is signing all these charlatans! For eg - who gave Commons the new deal? Who suggested Collins or Willie McStay as no 2? Who appointed John McGlynn as a new scout? Even initially going for Roy Keane, with Ronny as assistant, is it Desmond and Lawwell that's deciding? The youth academy hasn't progressed since Tommy Burns passed away, who is making all these decisions that are impacting our club? Whoever it is, I don't think they're qualified, and they're getting 90% of them wrong!

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{Ed007's Note - We need to get rid of the rotten core at the club, from the boardroom to the football development dept all the way down into the first-team changing room there needs to be a clear out.
If needs be bring in a highly rated Director of Football to oversee the footballing side of the club and bring some order and stability off the field, it will be him and the first-team coach who have most say in player recruitment until it reaches the financial stages.
Remember the club tried to help a struggling Neil Lennon by bringing in Strachan to mentor him, well one of the reasons it never happened was because Strachan wasn't happy with the level of influence John Park had.
Where have all John Collins backers disappeared to these days? Remember a poster was vouching for his credentials simoly because he had seen him coach at a kids SFA programme!}

23 Oct 2015 10:47:29
Yes Molde was nr 7 this season, but they have won 4 Trophies in 5 years before that. They also have a really good sqaud with a bunch of national team players, both senior and u21. Forren, Linnes, Elyounoussi, Hussain and Hestad to name a few. Also the results in Fenerbache and against Ajax proves that the norwegian league may be on its way up, so i wouldn't call Molde a bad team anymore.

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23 Oct 2015 12:00:17
So johnny better player recruitment (which in my eyes, and ed may correct me otherwise, partially involves spending a bit more, not making money in a window) wouldn't make us a better side? RD is about developing players, his track record speaks for itself, but it takes more than a year, and substantial reinvestment stops us being some sort of cycle but would help produce linear progression. I'm already blue in the face but still backing the guy. As a group we should be channeling this energy towards getting the board to either change or walk. Anyway, you'd think we've been knocked out. We're half way through with two home games left! Who would you get in as head coach then johnny? I see people highlighting the 'problem' but i don't see any 'solutions'.

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23 Oct 2015 12:40:43
WGS managed to sign plenty of very good players on a limited budget - while offloading big earners and valuable players at the end of their careers.
The transition had its teething problems 'Artmedia' etc but he soon had decent players playing to their strengths.
Now we have a manager that doesn't know his strongest team, his best defenders or how to change things when we need to and is too stubborn or stupid to admit it!
We have nearly always played with wide real wingers and a decent strike partnership and this team lacks both.
His signings have been very dodgy and we could have got much better for the money if we had a manager who could sell himself and our club instead of ruining our reputation.

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{Ed007's Note - So why don't you enlighten us on what better players could RD have got for the money considering the money being spent and players being targeted has very little to do with him?}

23 Oct 2015 07:38:49
Are we stuck with this Dermot Desmond until the end of time or what. The Club is going backwards at an alarming rate under his watch. Who does this guy think he is he is the major shareholder yet thinks he is Mr Celtic. I've put more cash in myself. When are we as a support going to say enough is enough. When McCann came in he had a plan, a vision and the crowds soon came back, Parkhead bouncing to the sound of Roll With It. Desmond and Lawwell have no plan they are clueless and continue to use the Rangers issue as a way to steer our club and every season we have Desmond making EPL comments which itself is a joke. It has now become a failed mission under this lot they are happy to go season by season balancing the books by selling our main assets, Every transfer window we now wait until we qualify (which we dont) before we spend rather than spend to try qualify! buying the best of SPL talent well the SPL is at an awful standard the worst it has been in decades so that says it all. I said in the summer that was me until this lot are gone and i've stood by my decision although it destroys me not to be amongst the green and white i will stick by my decision and believe me i am not alone, friends and family all now turning their backs on the club they love because of the direction it is going in. Everyone blaming Ronny, At what point is Desmond and lawwell going to come out and say it is them who has failed the support. Hope the Celtic faithful now vote with their feet and it is no longer about loyalty the Celtic faithful can never be questioned but more often than not the people running are club can be. This is no longer the Celtic i fell in love with.

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23 Oct 2015 05:05:41
John parks no a scout he's a gambler n more often that not he loses why can these smaller teams find better players more consistently time for him to go lawell as well am keepin faith wae ronny he will get it right but needs to be given more say in transfers n his own staff i liked john collins as a celtic player when did he become such an arrogant p**ck and we got 2 home games win those n we will get in last 32 hh.

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{Ed001's Note - I do wonder why John Park gets so much say in player recruitment. It is normal these days to employ a scouting system that finds and recruits the players rather than the manager, but when it has so consistently failed to bring in the right players, you would think it would be changed. There is a major issue in striker recruitment, for instance, so why have they not brought in a scout specifically to find the right striker for the right price? Park is a scout, but he has a blind spot regarding forwards, so give that particular responsibility to someone else. It is hardly rocket science, so why would highly successful businessmen, of the likes that own Celtic, not think to do it?

By the way, Collins, excellent player though he was, is well known for his arrogance, even as a player. It was partly his arrogance that made him such a good player, as he had unwavering faith in his own abilities due to it. It is that same arrogance that makes good players so good that makes them, usually, bad at management.}

23 Oct 2015 09:30:04
Ed I think most people on this site fully agree. I could have smacked his face with a wet fish last night. Sitting there arms folded looking like a little schoolboy who had just got his classmate into trouble. I really don't like the way he comes across. Please don't promote him when Ronnie gets the sack ( which is coming by the way).

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{Ed001's Note - do you really think that is likely? Collins as manager? Surely not! He has no idea about man management at all. If you think things are bad under the current manager, just wait and see what it would be like under Collins.}

23 Oct 2015 03:26:28
Maybe if the management team showed half the passion that commons did tonight we'd be in a better place. I know commons isn't everyone's cup of tea but he'd be in my team every week. The guy can create, he can also score and when u see some of the other dross we get from some of our players then that's why he'd be in my team most weeks. What was wrong with RD taking johansen off tonight instead of commons? there is no doubt RD has his favourites and he's defo one of them. RD can also say he's not got a settled back four but let's be honest, ambrose has been a liability now for far to long, Lustig ( who I think is one of our better defenders) is more injured than not so gets no long term run in the team. We then have boyata who looks every bit as bad as ambrose at times then we've got izzy who seems to forget at times he's first and foremost a defender. This defence has been a shambles for long enough and we new well in advance of this season starting that VVD would be off aswell as denayer and to top it off we spend a reported 4 / 5 million on a central defender that's no really kicked a ball yet due to injury. It's a joke. By the way I don't think Gordon's that bad of a goalkeeper. Sure he's not faultless but let's not forget he's playing with one of the worst defences I think we've ever seen at celtic.

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