Celtic Banter Archive December 23 2013

23 Dec 2013 18:50:14
I had previously posted regarding the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012 and have now received another update from my MSP

He has written to Roseanna Cunningham (SNP Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs) raising our concerns.

She has replied:-

'Your letter asks whether football fans will be consulted as part of the review of this legislation. I can confirm that the evaluation of the Act will take account of football supporters' views on offensive behaviour at football. The views of other stakeholders, including the Scottish Human Rights Commission and Liberty, will also be taken into account in the report to be submitted to Parliament'

When the Act was rushed through, football fans were not consulted and the Scottish Human Rights Commission expressed serious concerns.

My MSP also included the link to this story in the Herald which shows a range of critics the legislation has developed in its short existence

www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/legal-figures-call-on-holyrood-to-scrap-draconian-legislation.22954082

I really hope if anyone has concerns regarding football fans being criminalised they will write to their MSP and not just leave it to fan groups such as the Green Brigade.

Che - I'm not browbeating or preaching just saying if anyone has concerns or would like more information lol

23 Dec 2013 18:12:32
merry XMAS edoo7

hope u and your family have a good 1

{Ed007's Note - Thanks very much MG, best wishes to you and yours mate.}

23 Dec 2013 16:49:40
It's great to see that fan power can still get things done. The club, St Johnstone and Police Scotland have done a massive u-turn and fans will now be allowed their banners and flags at McDiarmid Park on Boxing Day. No doubt there will be fans disappointed by this news as they seem to think they are the club's conscience and are browbeating and preaching to fellow supporters how they should be supporting the team. Nice to see guys like Hamilton Bhoy and KBarry on here keeping things in perspective.

Let The People Sing!

How do you know the Celtic did a 'massive U turn', where have they said it was their decision?

Granted St Johnstone's statement states Celtic were part of the 'planning process' but at no point have Celtic issued a statement saying they were in favour of the ban. The only statement we have had from Celtic is today stating 'We have an excellent relationship with everyone at St Johnstone FC and we thank them and the Police for reviewing their initial decision'

Them and the Police, not Celtic.

'Club's conscience' - care to elaborate? Are you saying some are not entitled to an opinion and cannot say they don't like smoke bombs, they don't like banners like F*CK UEFA, they don't like songs such as Roll Of Honour? I'm pretty sure that's also browbeating and preaching!

My major complaints with the Clubs are:-

1 - signing policy and lack of effort by some of our players. For example, is Joe Ledley our highest paid player and if so what has he done to justify this?

2 - the handling of the whole Green Brigade situation however, there are faults on both sides here.

3 - the suspension of 128 Season Tickets after Motherwell with no proof of involvement however, our fans did cause over £10k worth of damage.

Fan power, oh good 60000 at the game on New Years Day. Can't wait!

Let the People Sing indeed Che

It is well reported that Celtic were part of the decision making, both to ban and then unban flags and banners. Are you saying that St Johnstone and the police are lying? It wasn't until the fans reacted that the club had a rethink, money talks. Now it is looking like our board have lied as Police Scotland say the ban still stands.

The club's conscience is the sanctimonious, self-righteous people who seem to have appeared in this PC gone mad era. They are trying to tell people how they should be supporting the club and there is plenty of them on here! They will sit at games (if they go) tutting to themselves before rushing home to come on forums like this to complain, it is like some weird perversion that they need to feel outraged and constantly bleat and moan about anything, as long as they can bleat and moan. What's worse is their pathetic attempts to rewrite the club's history and their demonisation of the Green Brigade. Tambhoy comparing a few fireworks or smoke bombs to Hillsborough shows the way these people think, what made it even worse is he said it to a Liverpool supporter. I'd like to see him come out with that statement in a boozer in Liverpool. But he's entitled to his opinion, no matter how warped it is I suppose? Give me fans like Hamilton Bhoy over TamBhoy any day of the week if that's the mind set of the prawn sandwich munchers. Arrogant pompousness used to be a Rangers fan trait, sadly there is an element within our support who are just as bad.

Let The People Sing (before they ban it)

Che I take my hat off to you! Sopotcelt.

Of course they were part of the planning over of a CELTIC game but there is zero evidence whatsoever they fully supported a flag ban - if there is then show me it? They maybe respected the wishes of St Johnstone to make decisions regarding security but were not totally aware that would include this type of ban - do you think this might be a possible scenario? Or does it just suit you to slag off the Club? I would call that attitude sanctimonious, pompous and self-righteous (it works both ways)

Have St Johnstone and the Police called Celtic liars?

Smithy is one of my favourite posters on here and no I don't agree with Tambhoys comparision but it wasn't Smithy's point regarding smoke bombs and pyro that got me, it was his point that Liverpool also took the same stance as Celtic but you do not get Liverpool fans saying 'F**k it I'm not going back, 40 odd years supporting my Club and I've had enough' do you? What have they had enough of exactly that no other Club has experienced?

There is too many of our Support desperate to be persecuted and oppressed what the reality is they wouldn't know persecuted or oppressed if it took a chunk out of their backside.

Anfield is packed week in week out and they've never won the EPL not like our spoilt brats - well not brats, grown men and woman!

This is not 1994 where we were in serious financial difficulties and in need of a new Stadium to keep up with the times. Remind me again how some fans treated Fergus, oh that's right with the same contempt as we are seeing today with the current board! How did that turn out for the boo bhoys? Massive U turn

I'm not saying I'm a huge Lawwell fan, I probably wouldn't even get on with him if the truth be told but that doesn't mean we just throw unsubstantiated crap at him or the current board.

I'm glad that you know neither Tambhoy or Hamiltonbhoy personally but have judged them both and have a favourite. My favourite type of fan is one who can talk about football and the game itself.

As this is 2013 then forums like this exist and I will quite happily use it and welcome everyone's opinion. If that is someone who goes to the game, can't wait to get home and 'bleat' then so be it.

Ed007 has control over the posts and if you have issues with some posters then you will need to take that up with him I suppose. I'm not a big fan of negativity either but I agree with you there, some thrive on it.

@2 At No time did I compare Hillsborough to a few smoke bomb's, as I explained to smithy, as ususl you and your ilk, try to make something out of nothing to suit your own end's, what I was trying to emphasise was that I found it sad that he was being sarcastic about people who suffer with asthma, you obviously have no one in your family who suffer's from it, I never once mentioned hillsborough, he did. Why would you like me to come out with statement in Liverpool WHAT STATEMENT you don't even know what your talking about but hey if it meets your end's why not READ MY RESPONSE, before coming on and writing a lot of pi$h
Tambho

Tambhoy relax man. Che's use of the English language was outstanding. Sopotcelt.

I don't know why I wasn't logged in but 4 is my reply Che :-)

"I find it totally out of order that YOU can put at the end of your post, jft96, but don't really give a feck about those you put in danger so you can have a bit of fun"

Have I touched a nerve there, that's what you said, is that not you trying to compare what happend to Liverpool fans and what COULD happen at any game where pyro is allowed or not, not to mention you being downright pig ignorant to the fact that there is no way on God's green earth there is any comparison, do you have the same outlook about the Ibrox Disaster I wonder Tam. Only a fool would even bring up Hillsborough and because Smithy answered you back you backed down, you were bang out of order, we all know what you meant and no backtracking will change that. You are a disgrace for saying that to Smithy, a total disgrace.

Just remember we were the first club to play Liverpool after Hillsborough, I don't know if it was televised for you to watch so just incase you didn't know, they went round the stadium with buckets and fans were just throwing money onto the trackside, I can imagine your reaction to that "Celtic hooligan element throw coins in charity shame game" your're a headline writers wet-dream (I'm sure you're familiar with a few of them over the years).

Oh and I might talk pish but my pants are bone dry, are yours? You are one of the biggest morons on here, trying to preach what's right and wrong, who the hell are you to dictate what other fans can or should do? What do mean exactly by "my ilk"? If my ilk is being a proud Celtic supporter who isn't scared to front up PC smarmy idiots like you then I am a proud and unrepentant member of it. What ilk was unfortunate enough to have spawned the likes of you or did you slither from under a rock? Now get your slippers on, light your pipe and find something else to be outraged about, but keep it to yourself because you're boring the t!ts (excuse the turn of phrase Mrs E) off everyone else on here. You're worse than Uncle Albert from Only Fools and Horses and probably about the same age. Try phoning Radio Snyde, they love Celtic fans slagging other 'Tic fans off you'll be more than welcome on there.

Half the time you come across like a Sevconian who hasn't got a good word to say about Celtic. I suspect that you will be one of that horrible ilk/shower who will be gutted if there is no trouble at St Johnstone.

Finally, and I don't doubt more will agree with me than won't, you and your ilk are exactly what is wrong with Celtic Football Club these days.

CFC not PLC! FAC!

"a few smoke bombs" simple fact is they are against the rules and when you break them there are consequences. No grey area there. Secondly, if the numpties who choose to discredit the club by breaking these rules could guarantee the smoke stayed in their vicinity then might be an argument. but they can't. So everyone gets a share like it or not. Before I get a lecture about all those other clubs and flares, don't waste time. I am interested in Celtic, no one else. The behaviour discredits the club and costs money which could be used for improvements. My opinion for what it's worth.

@8 (I think its Che)

Celtic are a Football Club and that's what I want and like.

There's nothing better than a good game of fitba, a sing song, waving a flag/scarf with the Club's colours and a win!

@10 some of us see celtic as more than a football club it's ingrained in our DNA through generations and it's never been just about football and never will
Jim

Gawn yourself Che, you've got Tam well sussed there, a sorry excuse for a fan and a boring git as well

@8 You have never touched any nerve's of mine I voice my opinion as I see fit, as for pig IGNORANT, why have you brought the Ibrox disaster into the debate? Yes I was at the game you refer to, I have not backtracked on anything I said, as usual you turn it to your way of thinking, as for being a moron, pot and kettle come's to mind, ( ibrox disaster), why wouldn't my pant's be dry?what has my age got to do with anything? I come across like a sevconian, I'm not the one who berate's Celtic at every turn, oh and your ilk, you blame everyone else for your fault's, you do the deed's that are not wanted at Celtic park but it's ok Celtic will pay the fine's.As for getting on everyone's tit's, look at the next few post's, who do they agree with.
Tambhoy

Jim, I never said it wasn't.

Just that I prefer football first!

Listen Albertbhoy, during the war....... It's you that started comparing tragic events at football to a few poxy pyros at matches. I have no recognisable faults to blame on anyone, sorry to burst your bubble on that and I have never done any wrong deeds at Celtic Park, if you have evidence of this then produce it, otherwise that is slanderous. You of all people should know the rights and wrongs of acceptable behaviour on the internet, you seem to be the expert on the right or wrong. I actually think that fans need to follow the rules and laws, but that doesn't stop me thinking and believing that the rules and laws are wrong, see I can think for myself, I don't need reassurances that I'm right unlike you who just regurgitates what other people say, it's the same script from all the self-righteous morons who think they are better than ordinary fans and justify dismissing their opinions like a true pompous Sevconain using words like "ilk" to describe fellow supporters. You seem to be under the impression that I am some chavvy ned, I can assure you, you couldn't be further from the truth there. You're a wrong 'un, I've noticed it for a while on here and no amount of your new LOLs at the end of your posts will change that. You can't even hold a decent conversation when someone questions you, anther Sevconian trait. Tell me honestly Albertbhoy, did you enjoy the game on Saturday or do you think the atmosphere was flat with no GB there and did it transfer onto the players on the pitch that the place was like a morgue? It was by far one of the worst games I have been to in a long time. From my seat I could hear the players and dugouts shouting.. Howmany of the 128 people banned are still banned? There is no evidence from Fir Park to condone breaking up Section 111, so why did the club do it? I don't mean let the GB run riot and do what they want but surely there is a compromise somewher. The compromise will be found soon when the club need them to bring money in, at least when the season ticket money is due. If you can't see th wrong in that Albert there's no hope for you. I hope that came out ok Ed007 I'm using my phone, last nightshift before the holidays, it can't come quick enough.

{Ed007's Note - You done that on your phone? I couldn't have done that on my tablet.}

@15 Yes I did enjoy the game on Saturday, the atmosphere might not have been great ( apart from a few hardy soul's who were singing topless), as far as the atmosphere affecting the player's, did I miss something, did we not win? as far as decent conversation's go I have not misnamed you neither have I questioned your family, I have never stated one way or the other regarding my thought's about the people who were banned, I have voiced my opinion regarding Celtic being fined for what other people have done, I don't really care wether you are a chavvy ned or not, where in my post's have I slandered you? I think you are full of your own self importance, someone who think's they are alway's right.
Tambhoy

23 Dec 2013 16:27:20
As usual there is that much going on at our beloved club on - and off - the park - some good, a lot not so good and I will probably be in and about the pages chipping in ma tuppence worth over the next few days.
Just thought I would take the opporchancity to wish all the usual Philosophers, prophets, moaners and comics - a very Happy and enjoyable Christmas.
I enjoy these pages and the exchange of views and feelings from supporters who love the club as I do.
Special menshy to Ed 007 for all his work and time in keeping this site 'Tic'-in over. Much appreciated.

Jungle Jim (JJ)

{Ed007's Note - Cheers mate, have a great Christmas.}

23 Dec 2013 14:23:18
OK .just to wish all posters, readers, and Ed007 a very happy Christmas and a happy and prosperous NY .Hopefully 2014 will be a successful year both on and off the field and Celtic fans continue, united, doing what they do best, being the best fans in the world . TTTS

{Ed007's Note - Thanks buddy and the same to you. Have a great time.}

23 Dec 2013 09:35:26
think its time we took a stance and start boycotting away games why the need to ban flags they really are trying to kill the passion
jt1

Jt1 - Stop talkin pi$%
TamTimTic

Excuse TTC mate, he's another apologist / revisionist / bedwetter. He's happy to accept mediocrity + fan harrassment, as long as it doesn't interrupt his prawn sandwich. I agree with you that action needs to be taken before the Hibernification of our famous club is completed, but a boycott is unlikely. Visual display, such as the "BACK THE TEAM, SACK THE BOARD" tshirts is a step in the right direction - "Your repression will never kill our passion!"

Jt boycotting is what sevco followers do so no your are talking peeesss

Ayrshire bhoy

Aye HB let's all get T shirts. Ps I don't like prawns or any sea food for that matter. Aye the team does need strenghtning no doubt about that. DD and PL took a gamble this season that didn't pay off. They both know that with the WC we need to sign in Jan to be better prepared for the CL Quals in Jun and even they will admit we can't be as lucky in the Qualifier Ties than we have been the last couple of years, every team we have played to get to the Group Stages have been pi$*
TamTimTic

Boycotting is for wee boys who throw their toys oot the pram.

I remember in the 70's being stopped by the police at the turnstile and my flag being consficated because the "pole" was made out of cane and it was potentially dangerous. Still got my cargo in though!

Bankie Bhoy