Celtic Banter Archive September 22 2014

22 Sep 2014 19:46:41
looking at the next few games outwith cups. if we are not sitting pretty at the the top after them I will really start to be concerned. Throw in the cup games are 2/3 rds of our season could be down the pan by xmas.

It doesn't matter how bad our form is, the league will be winnable at Christmas because no one else is anywhere near consistent enough to put our lights out

22 Sep 2014 14:48:49
A lot of posters saying give Rd time, I don't want him sacked because I want him to succeed.BUT for a manager to constantly talks about creative attacking football he has shown none. The main reason I don't think he is good enough is because he has come up against nothing.Will the board sack him? Prob not until a really embarrasin result happens.For me this guy doesn't know how to put out a team, he puts out 11 players and hopes for the best.Wheres the partneships? Wheres the spine? Wheres the pace? wheres the striking partners?Wheres the creativity he bangs on about? The defence (same as last yr who were great) look like they going to lose a goal every attack against them against SPFL teams ffs.

Most of us see this, but it will be very embarrassing for Lawell to sack him; remember he was chosen from a list of 5-10 top candidates (snigger).
If (and when) he is sacked it puts Lawell in a difficult position.
The lack of support at Celtic Park is a reflection of the dire football and severe lack of entertaining, class, players on show.

See this is where the probs would start PL can't sack him IMO, & RD won't walk can't see it

Motherwell Captain was saying Saturday we don't fear Celtic so be a few thinking the same IMO

We will have to watch this drivel until someone starts to do the sums!

RD can't manage/motivate them as far as I can make out RD/JC thinks they can improve them through regimental training and they are not 1 bit interested in subscribing to it!

So we have to sit n suffer till someone / thing decides it!

ATVB JB7

It raises questions if Delia was for the chop though. who do celtic get into replace him? I absolutely dread the thought of John Collins being manager. If Delia fails I hope board realise cheap option policy cannot be gambled on again.

NO Celtic manager needs time to beat the SPFL dross. Case for the defence? @DN there are plenty of good managers out there who could do a job for us.As long as it not Magath eh lol.

@rayman I know mate, I suggested him as a replacement for lennon as well lol

I don't know if the manager can turn things around, before he came here I had never heard of him, so I don't know what his abilities are.
The club probably won't sack him unless there becomes a serious risk of us not winning the league.
I would like to see an experienced no 2 brought in, someone who the players would look up to and respect.
I don't think Collins has the players on his side, he seems too confrontational for our club.
If Ronny Deila doesn't like it, then he would have to go as well
I wouldn't criticise the board if they were to admit they made a mistake, it would be better than letting our club become a laughing stock.

I think it wouldn't be that difficult for Deila to get Celtic winning . Putting in a third midfielder and getting two strikers playing up front .
However Deila is not likely to do either and will stubbornly stick it out with his current formations .

Probably get laughed at or told to boil ma heed lol, but i'd often wondered about yogi with a budget, his teams always play good football and conducts himself properly, if it is another cheap option why not?

Well done RD that is a start you have managed to unite DN30 & Rayman lol did feek aw else but

If you are looking for a new post sometime soon suggest you try being an "agony uncle" because you have made a good start pmsl

I hope he does turn it around but if he fails, at least one good thing will happen. . we the supporters will not tolerate another cheap option

I would'nt be bothered about a cheap option, there is probably a 'cheap' option out there that might turn out to be diamond, getting a manager with a big name and a big salary is no guarantee of success, Rijkard gets mentioned, but his managerial career has been very up and down, I would take him tho', as long as his contract was performance related.

This cheap option keeps getting brought up. WHY? By all accounts our 1st choice was Roy keane. If that was the case how can he be cheap option, he was just an option.

Call me CONTROVERSIAL but I do not think that money ALONE was the factor

The Celtic job is a BIG JOB and many (many) coaches would take on the job at the right price; some would be less interested in the £money and more interested in the gold fish bowl and being a big hitter in a big city….

I could name a dozen managers that would have been interested, granted you may have had to pay a little more than the going rate to get them .

Anyway, I digress ….

What I am about to say also highlights the reason for CFC board "patience" relative to this appointment….

We all agree that RD talks a good game

We al agree that the ideas on pace, energy, pressing, passing, health and well being, the 24 hr athlete, curiosity (to become better) are all FANTASTIC traits and traits that could make us MORE EFFECTIVE in Europe….whether we agree with the pace of change or the trajectory itself is another thing but I firmly believe that RD was brought to Celtic Park "as a dark horse"

someone who was energised

someone who was hungry to succeed

someone who had shown that his "approach" can upset the applecart

someone who (albeit in Norway) talked the talk and eventually walked the walk

someone who is curious about adapting and re-applying new philosophies, IE a person (man) who is unpredictable and challenges conventional wisdom

CFC were not really going anywhere terribly fast; players with 2 gears (and not the usual 5!), and performances that were one-dimensional.

I believe that the Board took a chance on this guy because he was DIFFERENT and the promise of a different approach, more professionalism, and a leaner meaner and faster playing pool attracted the Board and those willing to "listen" and to believe that there was indeed another direction for the Club to go down.

It was/is (and remains) a big risk

From an RD perspective, it remains a big ask

He absolutely did not know what he was coming in to

Stale players
Closed minds
Limited budget
Want away "stars"
a Scottish "mentality" on diet / training

John Collins was brought in because he too is an ambassador of such approached. JC was chased out of Hibernian and RD eventually cracked it in Norway….

This is a cultural shift

It may yet work, or it may not. Much depends on the fans and whether they have the confidence (and the will power) to tolerate the transition (if and when it comes)

I think I can just about make out the logic but remain sceptical about RD's prospects of revolutionising the squad and the squad's attitude and temperament

Scott Brown certainly hasn't broken rank and seems (outwardly) to be saying the right things, IE if we can bring our training ground "play" to match days we will be absolutely fine

Maybe we should all go to Lennoxtown for the time being then and forget about the actual matches if we are looking to be cheered up as we enter the gruesome autumn and winter campaign!

Paradisewon. you have got it bang on mate. stale players who think they are the bee's knees because they have won the league for the last 3 years. We can't afford top quality so bringing in players to see if they work for us will be the way forward. We have now got 2 strikers in who have no experience of playing in the SPL, they will take a wee bit of time, the wingers will take a wee bit to get used to being kicked every 2 mins BUT ultimately ability will tell irrespective of how hard teams work. Give the man a chance to get the pace he wants into the team, the drive form the midfield, pacey wingers to get in behind teams, high tempo football. but to do that you need to have a level of ability and that is where the players he was left with are a let down. time and patience.

Surely no matter how stale the players are, ( I am not sure they are) and no matter how weak the players brought in are . Surely we shouldn't be beaten by SPL teams and drawing at home . Not only are the results bad but the performances are rotten .

22 Sep 2014 10:25:41
With our previous manager now touting himself for the Fulham and Cardiff jobs and managers usually buying in players they have "managed" before, who out of his golden circle do we think or hope he would put offers in for?

I'd think Brown, Commons, Charlie and Matthews (particularly Cardiff). HOPEFULLY Efe Ambrose.

22 Sep 2014 12:11:19
Izzy efe kayal stokes

Other than Brown, Commons, VVD and maybe Lustig if he gets himself fit he could take the lot of them.

TBH can't see Lenny getting any of those jobs he looks taylormade for his Pundit jobs he is feckin everywhere on TV and radio at the moment.

Why talk about NL he has gone and moved on he is history focus on the problems we have at present nl will get nowhere near these jobs as there are the same faces that are in the frame for these jobs just like the premier league (neil Warnock) as an example.

Ambrose, stokes, izzy,

I think he is holding back from taking any other job so he can get his old one back in October! Lol

Quality comment Frannybhoy. left the new regime with a lot of poor players believing their own hype. Other than the players you mentioned I would hope he would come in for Mulgrew, Matthews (too many injuries unfortunately) Izzy (hot and cold) Stokes(ok against poor teams) and a few others.

22 Sep 2014 09:38:09
Can't believe this is the same Celtic we know and love that I am reading about here! Had a hell of a lot going on in my private life lately so football has been low on my priority list . Rd must go now! In the league celtic are a 4-4-2 team at worst! We should be attacking in all games! 3-5-2 against lower sides! As said previously only ff for Gordon, main difference! And Gordon seems up to the challenge! The blame has to ly with management team! Commons left out all season but hey rd has to turn to him to save our blushes!

21 Sep 2014 23:59:38
Surely "continuity" breeds confidence. We are playing against teams with smaller squads and first 11s that pick themselves. Our opponents, due to financial constraints, over rely (perhaps) on 11 to 14 key players and have a steady 1st eleven. Their squads are (apparently) inferior to CFCs.

However, when we change 10 players ( V inverness) and 6 players ( V motherwell), we are voluntarily disrupting any hint of a rhythm.

Our inter-changing is a "leveller" against those who don't have the luxury due to poor squad depth.

We are now taking on inferior teams who themselves have continuity, and their continuity is a match for any fragmented team CFC put on the park.

A few things happening now that worry me

lack of continuity and over the top rotation

no prospect of a team nucleus emerging as the merry-go-round chopping and changing persists

players lacking in any confidence

hearts could spoil our treble dreams on wednesday; I hope we get a performance out of somewhere

Think I was trying to make the same point, but you make it more eloquently.

22 Sep 2014 08:06:41
Paradise well said, spot on. We should play our best 11. If the squad is so good and strong we can plug the gap if we get an injury. Also why are we playing Tonev if he is not fit as RD claims. Understand he needs game time but why would you start with him and then need to disrupt the team. These are simple issues that RD fails to deal with. Also you can't change 6 players and expect the same performance (as Paradise has said much better than I could). Good post Paradise.

I am not one bit worried about what happens on Wednesday night . Winning this " wonderful " treble this season is totally dreaming . Every year since we last won the treble we were equipped to maybe win the treble . Now we have no confidence in winning any game, so I won't lose any sleep over Wednesday A win against St Mirren is much more important .