Celtic Banter Archive October 22 2015

22 Oct 2015 23:28:13
Well what a kick in the plums that was. let's get it right here, that was one of the most bang average teams we have played in Europe. Simple fact is we, again, gifted goals.

Boyata, what was he thinking? We are dominating possession and controlling the flow of the game and he gives the ball away. This is basic stuff for fecks sake! Even if the pass had been made it was a poor ball and would have led to going back. again!

Second goal, Izzy. How many times is he going to gift goals or chances? I love the guy's passion for us and his effort but fact is he has become a liability. Time for young Tierney to get a run.

Gordon, keeper beat at near post? The cardinal sin surely. Time for Bailley to show what he can do. But the biggest problem was obviously Commons.

Kris, you play for Celtic. You follow in the footsteps in giants. Throwing some kind of hissy fit was an embarrassment to you and our club. Maybe the rumours of dressing room unrest are true, and maybe it is you who is the problem.

I realise there will be plenty ready to put the boot into Ronny, well not me. This debacle, once again, was down to the players. We had an enormous amount of possession, we were behind them at least six times and delivered nothing. Ronny's fault?

Time for harsh words i think. I back the manager 100%. The sad fact is we are not ready for Europe. We are getting mugged because some players cannot step up a level. Time for young blood, even if it means a barren season league wise. We need to get up to speed and quickly.

I see a post mentioning sevco. Really mate? If they avoid administration i will be amazed. This about us and our club. We need freshened up. And quickly.

{Ed007's Note - As per usual, GJ, me and you are there or there abouts on the same page. Even if we brought in a new manager nothing would change, not only can we not attract anyone with the balls to charge in and make demands Peter Lawwell isn't going to hire anyone to upset him and his cronies and the next manager will face the exact same challenges, will things change with a new manager but John Park still having such a strong input on what Lawwell does? That's Mowbray, Lennon and now Deila all had to face the same constraints - is that the manger's fault?
Will a new manager be allowed to bring in his own staff and identify his own signing targets?

23 Oct 2015 00:01:41
Agreed ED. John park has made us money. John park has also cost us money. Mr lawwell needs to face some tough questions sooner rather than later. Tonight was for me a watershed moment. There does seem to be some deep rooted problem in so much as we have players who seem to lose concentration at vital times. When Effie is one of our better players some need to have a look at themselves. Having said that the guy's mental toughness must be amazing.

We have been watching this movie for years.

{Ed007's Note - We sell our better players and replace them with muck, you can't improve doing that.}

23 Oct 2015 00:21:22
I actually like Deila and want him to stay. However, he needs to learn that you cannot go all guns blazing away from home, especially when our defence is so fragile.

I actually feel sorry for Izzy, Boyata and Ambrose as the system we play often leaves them exposed and I can understand why they get nervous and make mistakes.

23 Oct 2015 00:45:28
Can't understand why you wouldn't portion any of the blame on RD! I have never once criticised him on this site but I feel I can't defend him anymore! Yes of course the players are to blame but he is the one that picks these players! If he continues to select players such as Efe Ambrose why shouldn't we blame him! As far as the commons thing is concerned I don't see it as such a big deal! Yes he should have maybe kept it for the dressing room rather then vent his frustration in public but at least he's showing a bit of passion and that he cares! It was a disgrace that RD took him off and left Johansen on when he contributed absolutely nothing! Another one of Ronnies errors imo! At the end of the day the buck stops with the manager although I firmly believe our problems run deeper than Ronnie Deila.

23 Oct 2015 01:35:56
There is only one man to blame for this latest debacle, and its the same man who was to blame for the debacle against legia, you can blame Gordon if you want, but its hard for a goalie to play with any confidence behind a defence that is'nt settled, how many times does Ronny have to change the defence,4 clean sheets in the last 6 games before tonight, how many combinations were played in defence, and tonight what was the point of taking Collins of?, Ronnie is a nice guy, but he just is'nt a manager, i don't blame Lawwell or the board for appointing Ronnie, it was an innovative and enterprising appointment to give this young forward thinking successful Norwegian the Celtic managers job, but it has'nt worked, he is out of his depth, too married to one system, too inflexible to change his team or formation when things are'nt working, too favouring of certain players, i don'nt blame the players themselves, if the manager is'nt doing his job, a good team can look become poor very quickly, its time for Ronnie and JC to step down, I would give the job to Jackie MacNamara, he can't be any worse.

23 Oct 2015 00:50:39
Rab I would have been happier if we were all guns blazing, cause we started with a lot of possession in our own half, a cross the back 4, up to brown or bitton, then back again. were too slow in attack.
I honestly find it difficult to believe RD has no say on players coming in, if it's the case he has to grow a pair and stand upto lawell, and demand his own backro staff and players because he'll be lucky to last the season if he doesn't.

23 Oct 2015 06:48:13
I too think it is time for Ronnie to go. I think we have gone backwards since last season drastically as at times last year I could see the pattern of play Ronnie was trying to implicate. When it worked it looked quite good, fast closing down, multiple options attacking as we won the ball far up the pitch. This season that energy seems to have gone and when we try to close the ball down we shuttle out like kids football and follow the ball. I lost count of times last night when moldes midfielders let us chase the ball they stayed in front of us and just placed a pass between our runners taking out 3 of our midfield with one easy pass.
But with regards to the above poster regarding McNamara, why? Have we not recently had enough of mediocre managers and players that we now accept the next bang average one that is available, we now more than ever deserve something that is going to get us slightly excited. We are at the minute, still a big club but we are acting like a small one from top to bottom. If the club don't change their view quickly getting beaten by very average sides in the Europa league will be the norm ( if we even qualify as we could easily come bottom of future champs league qualifying ). The watershed moment is here I thinks where we need to radically alter our thinking. Rant over.

22 Oct 2015 22:51:48
Watched that shambles tonight again and if anything I think we're getting worse if that's possible. Am I the only one a little bit worried how far we will have went backwards by the time the other mob are back in the top league? I honestly think at this rate they will be challenging next year or year after when we should be light years ahead of them. concerned.

22 Oct 2015 22:34:33
Not Commons biggest fan but tonight I am right behind him. Shocking decision and I now want the Board and Management team gone.

No more of these farcical performances and results. We seem to be 2nd rate in every department now.

Gordon, Ambrose, Boyata and Izzy need completely dropped.

22 Oct 2015 23:34:08
And John Park mate. Beginning to believe stories Ronny has lost dressing room.

22 Oct 2015 22:25:41
Enough is enough, Delia has embarrassed our great club once too often. Him and collins and kennedy are all CLUELESS.
Ambrose is a joke yet still keeps his place. Johansen has struggled all season yet still gets picked.
Now gordon has won his new contract he has gone back the way.
Bringing in Cole is a joke too, I predict he will play one or two games then pick up a hamstring injury, another injury prone player on big wages.
I can see us losing on Sunday and to Hearts and Aberdeen as heart is ripped out of team by Delia's tactics or non tactics.
DELIA GO NOW.

22 Oct 2015 23:57:20
Timalloy i think we need a total overhaul from ownership right down to players on pitch. I like Deila and do think he would be a great asset, if he was allowed a longer leash.

23 Oct 2015 00:30:51
Who would you have played instead of ambrose Tim, I think he's better than boyata who doesn't get the stick ambrose gets. Very poor team throughout from front to back, getting weaker every year unfortunately.

23 Oct 2015 00:52:15
I would have rather played with 10 men than Ambrose every day of the week.

{Ed007's Note - I'd rather play with 9 men than have Commons in the team, one place for him and one for the his other half.}

23 Oct 2015 01:20:27
Ed the problem with Commons is him and his wifes ego are that big they think they are Mr and Mrs Celtic and they think they are bigger than club.

22 Oct 2015 22:03:25
Hi ed007, always had the feeling you weren't the biggest fan of commons for possible behind the scenes stuff and also don't think your much of a John Collins fan. What you make of the shouting match in the dugout?

On another note that's was another terrible performance. Same old questions, is it the manager? The players? The board for not providing funds for better players? But then again I'm guessing molde spend less than 50% than us on players and wages so where does that leave us?

Spent all week looking forward to the game tonight and had to watch that disgrace.

{Ed007's Note - Giving Commons the two year contract extension was a major error that done nothing but help to feed his ego even further. BY his own admission he has caused problems for every manager he's worked with and don't be fooled about Commons caring about Celtic, he has undermined the manager since day one and his only cares are his back balance and the celebrity niche him and his Rupert Murdcoch employed concubine can etch out for themselves.
The quicker both Commons and his partner are shown the door at Celtic the overall happier the place will be - it might even stop some of the stories getting into the press.
Tonight's performance was typical of the usual suspects, a dodgy defence stood in front of one of the most calamitous GKs it's been my misfortune to watch playing for CFC, the back 5 needs to be sorted out and once again we're screaming out for a quality striker.
I was hoping Simunovic would have been available tonight but after he was ruled out I knew we were going to struggle.
Get Logan Bailly in goal, Lustig/Janko, Boyata, Simunovic, Izaguirre/Tierney as your back 4, Brown (when fit, I don't think he's fully fit right now) and Bitton pick themselves and after that we've got Johansen (again when he's fully fit) and then we're struggling for the other 2 forwards between rank rotten diddies like Forrest and GMS who doesn't look a shadow of the player he was, along with Armstrong I'm questioning if either of them can handle playing for a club this size.
Up front we have nothing of any note, Grifiths will do OK domestically, Ciftci just won't do and why the hell we're wheeling in Carlton Cole baffles me.
The same problems we had in August still haven't been addressed, Lawwell is still there inexplicably following whatever plan John Park has - if he has one at all - and it's dragging us down bit by bit every year.}

22 Oct 2015 23:01:08
RD escapes any criticism there Ed and that ain't right mate!

Maribor, Malmo now tonight seems to make major substitutions all wrong Molde WILL score IMO @ Parkhead because of our hoplessness at the back and there style

If results don't go our way that night and our hopes are ended he will face getting sacked IMO

He is CLEARLY rattled / flustered tonight and he is well into his "cat's lives" IMO the trouble for me is he has a look of knowing he is non-sackable and that clearly IS! PL's fault!

{Ed007's Note - RD has the same problems he's had all season, inferior players, inferior attitudes from players and given very little help from the board to do his job.
What do you expect him to do when players on the park aren't doing the most simplest of tasks, how can RD make Craig Gordon position himself better or make him go down for saves quicker?
The fact is that we don't have enough good players. Another goal in another important match and Craig Gordon let us down, how many's that now?
There are too many impostors playing in our first team, Gordon, Ambrose, GMS, Armstrong, Commons, Griffiths, Ciftci, Forrest, Mulgrew, the list goes on of players who shouldn't be playing for us, you could probably throw in Izaguirre to the mix as well as he is so hot and cold.
This isn't a situation brought about by short term problems or by RD, this is the result of long term neglect of the club by the people who are in charge of it. Changing the manager or coach won't make one iota of difference whilst Desmond and Lawwell are in charge with the latter putting 100% trust in John Park.}

22 Oct 2015 23:34:33
Hi ed haven't been on for a while and I normally agree with your opinions but all of those things you mention could be put up as an excuse by any poor manager in my opinion we are getting beat by teams wth inferior players you have to look at our performances domestically to see that we should be beating teams convincingly in our own league with the players we have so it must be down to the manager as much as I hate to admit it tommies days are numbered.

22 Oct 2015 23:37:13
But he still picks the team Ed! He could have picked Tierney, Blackett even Bailly no one would have complained first error is Boyata's slack pass, then Efe's positioning before it even gets to CG ffs! But yeah his positioning was rank, Second goal Izzy turns his back and the third Lustig loses it so that covers the lot of them of the other teams NONE of them have the budgets we have and we are rank rotten

Just RD escapes it every time with you mate if he is that good with youth send them ALL out and as said that when he had a sticky patch at the beginning mate

So am going to ask you right you indicated he should be judged on CL entry last season so when/where is the barometer when you say enough is enough with RD under that performance mate? how much longer does he get? how many more chances does he get by your thinking? surely it does /cannot motor on like this into next seasons campaign at this level and getting put out the EL with a whimper?

Just curious ATVB.

{Ed007's Note - And if he had picked them and we got beat we'd be reading about 'WTF was he doing playing them!'
We all know there were plenty of supporters out there have wanted to see RD fail since he first came in, their absence from the forum hasn't gone amiss since they were found out.}

23 Oct 2015 04:07:29
Not interested in the gossip about Commons and his missus. Listened to the punditry from Chris Sutton tonight and agreed with everything he said, too slow, too slow. "passing back and forward to centre backs who can't play football, get it forward " can't argue with that. Taking Commons off was a joke, only decent attacking threat we had. I think he was right to be raging, professional behaviour or not, Johanson was woeful, defence is shocking, izzy, efe? you really have to laugh, absolutely terrible. Never seen such a shambolic defence, makes the McManus, Caldwell combo look good. I do agree that Gordon as a keeper is poor.

22 Oct 2015 22:11:57
When will we have a settled back four? What does Kennedy do during the week? that defence is the worst I have seen for years. J Collins this thing must be shown the door every team he has been at has had back ground issues, he is a poisoned Dwarf, that will always split the dressing room, watch Commons reaction is directed at the Dwarf and Kennedy.

22 Oct 2015 22:09:34
Watershed moment for me tonite guys! The reaction from commons tells u all u need to know about what's going on at our club! I like to see our players showing this passion! Commons cares for the club! Unlike some at the club! RD has got to go for me! Who disagrees? This can't go on!

22 Oct 2015 22:35:50
No matter how unhappy Commons was he should not have reacted like that in public. Made himself and the club look stupid. There's a time and a place!

22 Oct 2015 22:43:31
Yip time is up now watching us now is almost unbearable and totally predictable poor tactics poor manager and poor players somebody posted up get a new manager in now to prepare us for next season and I for one totally agree we are awful and changes are needed gutless in malmo f***** shambles tonight.

22 Oct 2015 22:02:36
How much longer do we need to watch these terrible performances in Europe? Sick fed up with hearing the poor excuses in after match press conferences. Bottom line here is that this is RD's team, RD's back room staff and it's just not good enough. Anybody with celtics wage structure should be able to do well domestically, but these European performances are becoming a joke. Sick of seeing this ronny roar when we beat the likes of Hamilton etc. RD needs to take his head out his backside along with the board and see that this just isn't good enough!

22 Oct 2015 21:54:33
I never thought I'd write a post like this, but this is one of the worst performances I've ever seen from Celtic EVER! Why take Commons off as he was the only player who was capable of scoring tonight. Our defence was a total shambles. Deila is NOT the man to take us forward as he is clueless. GET RID of him and take Collins too. He is the root of most of our problems!

22 Oct 2015 22:28:03
J Collins the catalyst for this team every where he has been the dressing room has had issue with him being removed from his post he is a bad apple, need to get rid now. He should take Kennedy with him.

22 Oct 2015 21:49:05
Absolutely rubbish.

22 Oct 2015 21:48:48
We have a defence who have lost all heart and confidence in each other. First goal ambrose sticks out a toe nail instead of throwing himself infront of the ball Gordon looks like benny hill in goal. The defenders body language speaks volumes they are wondering up the park like a bored cold school boy on a sat morning. The midfield only have one idea give it to commons and hope he can score. Our team formation and style is so predictable that even your gran could suss them out. Every one has there favourites. And there fall guys but this is much deeper than just blaming ambrose or Gordon or deila. The club is suffering from a lack of investment and proper management from board to dug out. Look at the people who have been drowned in Norway tonight the investment they've made to watch that. But show them a copy of the books and everything will be ok. Kris commons reaction sums up the clear division in the dressing room. Deila said we were scared against Malmö the players said he was wrong. No one seems to want Collins there. The club is deteriorating in front of our eyes and change is required from top to bottom. My longest every post on but I really don't see where the change is going to come from.

22 Oct 2015 21:43:31
Whoah. What's under Kris the team player Commons' bonnet? JC?

22 Oct 2015 21:42:29
Can't believe Ronny has taken Chris Commons off and left Johanson on.

22 Oct 2015 21:50:05
Until he was gifted a chance KC was absent. You've got to be so much more involved playing the CAM.

22 Oct 2015 22:23:16
He wasn't a CAM he was a left mid / winger

This formation needs ditched.

22 Oct 2015 21:34:46
Anyone else think its time for a change of management?, forgive me if you think its harsh.

22 Oct 2015 21:41:58
Not harsh at all shamrock! your spot on mate! We've went back at an incredible rate under this management team! I'm not even going to list the goals we've lost in Europe or how many times we've been gubbed by inferior teams! Takes the guy who scores off! Unbelievable! This is 3 going on 5 or 6! Time for a change for me! This mob are mid table in Norway! Yes mid table in the Norwegian league!

22 Oct 2015 21:44:04
not harsh at all mate, I'm not one for back chat and decent from players but commons is spot on, it's always me getting subbed you see him saying to Collins and you can see in that ignorant wee bastards face he couldn't give a toss what the players think, getting sick n tired of this shower if shhhh.

22 Oct 2015 21:49:21
At the end of the day, the manager has to take the blame, talks a great game, and seems nice guy, but worst Celtic team I've seen for years.

22 Oct 2015 21:27:42
The word shambles is the only word to describe it! Remember this is molde we're playin! Yes theyr a decent team but come on to f**k! I asked a question earlier should the manager go if they spank us! There's only one answer for me! Totally clueless and tactically inept! Molde have a 40 year old in there team for Christ sake! It's actually laughable! How many times do we need to put up with this! We're Celtic for f**k sake! A laughing stock we've become!

22 Oct 2015 21:38:20
When Ronnie tells us we have progressed from last season I think the result and the performance will tell you otherwise. Another rubbish European performance? How many more? For all the Ronnie fan club, this is how it works. Team play crap time after time players remain at the club and the manager gets the sack. Same at every club. That's how it works. RD will be gone by Christmas thank goodness. Out of his debth.

22 Oct 2015 21:14:31
To think I rushed home excited about our chances tonight. Disgraceful about sums it up. Can't defend, can't pass, constantly finding a blue shirt. RD needs to show some passion during the game and not just that silly performance he puts on at the end when we win.

22 Oct 2015 21:20:02
Get out the dugout you coward.

22 Oct 2015 21:07:11
Really Awful, I am not a fan of Chris Sutton, but his commentary is spot on, TOO SLOW, clueless in defense, Gordon useless, Scot Brown must be on his holidays, time for RD to leave and take his staff with him.

22 Oct 2015 21:02:37
Not seen a Celtic team so piss poor in donkeys years!

If you were asked to pick best player on the park for us @ HT who COULD you plump for ffs?!

This is RD's backyard ffs he should know what EXACTLY is needed here!

22 Oct 2015 20:56:40
Worst 45 minutes i've seen in a long time utter embarrassment! Yet again Boyata's distribution and Ambrose sleeping has cost us a goal! This team is mince as well!

22 Oct 2015 21:02:56
Totally agree mate, that molde are there for the taking and we have nothing to offer I'm bored watching it.

22 Oct 2015 21:05:37
Boyata an ambrose. the master and apprentice, ****ing dreadful!

22 Oct 2015 20:51:16
Cannot believe there is nobody at Celtic that can't see we have the worst defence in 20 years.

22 Oct 2015 20:33:30
No sympathy at all for the manager! Utterly clueless! Blackett and boyata play well on Saturday and what do we do! Put ambrose at centre half! This manager is in the wrong movie by the way! U cannot continue to defend like that and expect to win games against decent opposition! Utter shambles! John Kennedy defence coach! What is this guy getting payed for! Question for the rest of the guys on here. if we get a humping tonite should the manager go? Just a question!

22 Oct 2015 20:43:41
Boyata gave the ball away and Craig Gordon should have saved it easily. Brutal to watch. And lose another goal from a corner. Sick of seeing it!

22 Oct 2015 20:45:44
Yes! Please Ronnie I think your a nice guy but it is time to go and take most of that toothless team with u. It's you not me! And take lawell too.

22 Oct 2015 20:54:19
The team just look terrible I think Ronnie is fighting a losing battle.

22 Oct 2015 21:07:45
The pitch doesn't help but an entire 45 minutes of watching Ambrose pass to Boyata to pass to Ambrose to pass to Gordon yet they are non existent when it comes to defending.

22 Oct 2015 17:01:08
Sex drugs and carlton Cole.

22 Oct 2015 16:35:03
Just when I think Celtic FC could not sink any lower we go and sign Carlton Cole.

It actually makes me cringe that some Celtic fans are happy with this.

22 Oct 2015 16:56:52
It actually makes me cringe some celtic fans can't get on board with our managers choices and give the guy a chance before he's kicked a ball.

22 Oct 2015 17:01:51
Tine will tell mate I am on the fence with this one myself.

22 Oct 2015 17:49:43
You have got to give the guy a chance not Jump on the Pessimistic Doom and Gloom mob. I stated (when we where,5 points behind Aberdeen) That we would be winning the Treble and finish 15 or more points ahead of Derek McInnes's Challenger's (This is the guy turning Aberdeen into Rangers! Wee Barry the NEDS opinion) &that will qualify from the Europa League and have European Football after Xmas. So if the above materialises what will the Ronny Pessimist's think then! Can't wait myself to be sitting next to loads of them come the end of the Season. The squad will Gel this year So Patience Grasshoppers! Hope Tonight's Game has fast passing and fluency throughout the Team. Always look like conceding from the back but I'm going for 3_1 Mabe 4 lol. ( Can't help being an Optimistic Fan not fickel and a hypocrit like some in May) //HH.

22 Oct 2015 19:04:08
I think if you go to the matches you have every right to voice your opinion, it's better than sitting at home saying what a great job the manager is doing but never going to a match, then turn up to the last game of the season when the league trophy is being presented.

22 Oct 2015 19:45:12
Surely to God we should give Cole a reasonable chance.

22 Oct 2015 13:09:17
Hi ed, i see we signed cole any idea roughly on what wage he would be getting?

{Ed007's Note - Not yet.}

22 Oct 2015 13:36:46
Would rather have went back in for the Danish kid in jan. Sad truth is if we're still in Europe next year Cole would probably do a job for us.

22 Oct 2015 20:36:07
Jim Tim we won't be in Europe after Christmas.

22 Oct 2015 12:16:47
Just read on twitter we've signed carlton cole?