Celtic Banter Archive November 22 2015

22 Nov 2015 18:11:18
Apologies may have to do this in 2-3 posts as screen freezing.
Its not about results its about performances for me under RD.
We have played roughly 90 odd games since his arrival.
I reckon about 10-12 games have been good/excellent performances.
I also reckon about30-40 of the games we have been bang average.
That leaves 30-40 games where we have been poor/very poor.
Now here is my problem with RD, he stated that he was here to get fast free flowing good football. Now considering we play more than 90% of our games against INFERIOR opposition that's not too hard a thing to do in my opinion.
Only Inter in my opinion have been a level above while other teams we have played home or Europe have been our level or below.
Since he is playing inferior teams most of the time you, would think we could manage some good football.
But the vast majority of performances have been average/poor.
I know there is an argument for not being backed in transfers etc and backroom staff, but does he really need it to beat INFERIOR teams, yes he will need it to beat teams a level above but we not really played anyone of note yet. So if we have to judge him on performance and what he promised us he has FAILED miserably.

{Ed007's Note - What do you mean the screen keeps freezing mate, is it our screen when you're trying to post because Ed001 was talking about that the other day and I think it was meant to have been fixed?}

22 Nov 2015 18:35:34
In the words of Karen Dunbar, "I smell shite".

22 Nov 2015 19:49:38
Hi ed yeah when posting longer than average stuff mate it freezes so did it short and posted 3 times, thanks for putting it together. Don't know if its my laptop or the page.

{Ed033's Note - if you're going to post a lot of text it's best to write it out in wordpad and then copy and paste from wordpad into the posting form.

22 Nov 2015 21:13:07
I remember posting when Neil Lennon was Manager and people were complaining about the quality and entertainment level of the football played under Neil
I think it is still the same, it takes two teams to play, you cannot have fast attractive end to end football if one team has 8/9 players within 30 yds of goal.

22 Nov 2015 23:22:59
Old bhoy neil Lennon never said he would give fast flowing good football, RD did that's the difference. Also NL was up against Rangers most of the time, where if they beat Killie then next day for eg we had to beat Hearts. High pressure games where a win was a must and nobody cared about performance so much.
If RD struggles the now with so little pressure what will he be like when he must win every week.
So far when he has had to win he has failed.

23 Nov 2015 00:58:37
Rayman is this the pernickety you now stoop to? I couldn't care less about fast flowing football. See as long as we win games i'm happy and are successful in domestic cup competitions, that is main priority. And before you start CL chat, it was clearly evident we were not a CL standard side during Lennons last season in charge.

Lennon was only up against Rangers for one season so i don't know where you are getting that idea from. Also you say Deila is struggling? He has done a far better job than Lennon did so far so how you working that out?

{Ed007's Note - It won't be long until the serious 'Bring Lennon Back' posts begin if what I'm hearing is correct.}

23 Nov 2015 01:41:58
Ed007 i'm expecting that too mate. If Lennon was still in charge and we were in the exact same condition we are in just now, a few posters would have a very different opinion. Its a clear witch hunt to get Deila cause he doesn't fit profile.

{Ed007's Note - It's a shams the way things have went for him at Bolton, he should never have taken that job and I'll never understand why he did as it's not as if their problems were a secret, although he wasn't exactly inundated with offers. I really don't see him getting another job down there unless he's just going to play the managerial merry go round of the same old faces getting jobs and bringing nothing to the game, is managing mid-table Championship teams the level of his ambition? There's no denying his record at Bolton is appalling - 14 wins in 56 games, 42 points from 168 is hard to defend no matter how you want to dress it up.
For me it looks like it's a career in the media and as a pundit for him, maybe a bit of coaching, that's probably for the best.}

23 Nov 2015 09:47:16
Offt, where did those fantastic stats come from rayman?

23 Nov 2015 10:31:56
I'm certainly not happy with doing well domestically in cups, - if we got knocked out in the first round every year against Morton but qualified for the Champions League I'd be delighted. I didn't enjoy the football under Lennon, and from the 5-0 defeat against Juve, through to the group stages the following year the performances were brutal. Under Ronny it has got worse but I don't really blame him too much because Lawwell couldn't have made it any more difficult for him. This squad really is very average, we even have fans raving away about Rogic after a couple of good games in the SPL. How many good individual performances has there been in Europe since Ronny took over, - apart from Biton and Griffiths in a few games I can't think of many, oh GMS and Armstrong had 1 good game against Inter at home. I know the constraints we're under, like I have said though we aren't spending what we do have wisely. We aren't giving ourselves the best chance we could in Europe, that's the galling part. Lawwell, Park (if he actually exists) the players and Ronny are to blame. We have become an embarrassment in Europe, almost a joke figure, so I'm never going to sit back and accept that as long as we're winning in Scotland. There's nothing wrong with wanting much better/more, many many teams punch above their weight, Athletico Madrid being a recent example. I'm not interested in Lennon anymore, I wish him well, and Bolton was a poor choice/risk - a Fulham would have been better. I'm also not interested in whether Ronny suits any criteria, or whether a manager is in any way connected to Celtic, I'm only interested in quality and progress. As soon as Lenny walked out the door its a matter of the King is dead, long live the King. It will be the same in another 125 years!

23 Nov 2015 09:15:01
Aye Ed, probably about right.
I liked NL as a manager and the move to Bolton surprised me.
I think NL just got frustrated at the lack of commitment above him and retaining any decent players was not going to happen so what was the point? i'm sure he is financially comfortable and, like you say, wheel him out as a pundit when eventually (and I think sooner rather than later) he gets the heave down there.
That said I have a very good friend who is a Bolton supporter and he admitted that any manager taking the job was on a loser as there was no money available in what is a very competitive league.
BTW, he and a lot of his associates had absolutely no time for Owen Coyle and they reckon he started the rot.

23 Nov 2015 12:37:46
DN I post something about RD and you turn it into a Lennon fiasco, what about actually replying to the original post and give an opinion on it as I cudnt give 2 flying f**** about Lennon and what's happening at Bolton.
Dont you find it strange you are the only 1 on here talking about it.

23 Nov 2015 14:07:19
DN30, If you can find anything positive to say about Delia, then tell us what it is. You can't keep insulting people by saying they have agendas.
I don't know why Delia is so Godlike in your eyes that you react so badly if anyone dares say a word against him. He is an employee of the club, it's perfectly fair for fans to have an opinion on his performance, without being accused of having plots or agendas.
I have read in your previous posts, that you don't rate John Park, he is an employee of Celtic, yet it seems okay for you to criticise him, do you have an agenda against him?, or do you just think he's not very good at his job? . Other people have said they don't rate Efe Ambrose, or Kris Commons, or James Forrest, do they have agendas against employees of the football club?, I don't imagine they have, I think they have just formed an opinion on these individuals on what they have seen from them.
Your opinion on Ronny Deila is perfectly valid, but equally people who have a different view should be able to express it without having agendas and Neil Lennon rammed down their throats.

23 Nov 2015 14:18:24
I keep repeating myself on here I know so again I am sorry But until the board stop picking the team and do what they are great at running the club I must admit And let the manager pick the players for the team (club) it will not matter who we have as a manager until that is sorted out Parks is a SCOUT but as far as I am led to be leave he even has more say as to who plays for Celtic than the manager.

23 Nov 2015 14:19:40
rayman, you actually started talking about lennon before DN did?

made me laugh as well when you just pluck numbers out of thin air for what games were good, bad etc.

i think people need to look at the bigger picture. the quality in the squad has been getting worse for the last 6/7 years. each season we sell our best players and hope to sign a rough diamond that we can then sell on in a couple of years.

It is only my impression but I do feel that we are now moving in a direction that will end up with us having a squad that is able to bring through youth players in a better way and to a better standard. The issue is that we are trying to bridge a gap between two different type of regimes and during this period of transition we have signed too many duds and continued to sell our best players.

its ridiculous when people talk about RD losing us 40m as well. If we did qualify for the champions league a coupe of times and we attracted some players for 4/5m each, would this really solve the issue we have at celtic just now? even if the players were a success eventually they would want to leave to other clubs and we would be back to square one. Celtics only option moving forward is to become a club that the best young talent wants to join because there is a proven path from our youth teams to our first team.

23 Nov 2015 14:36:15
Rayman it was YOU who brought him up before i mentioned him commenting on fast flowing football pi$h. I am merely contributing to a public debate.

Points i bring up are very relevant. People on this were posting during Lennons last season, overjoyed at a clean sheet record and happy to overlook failings in all cup competitions. Yet Deila is doing better in all domestic competitions apart from Europa League ( which still is not over) and gets crucified. Do you see where i'm getting at?

One of your war crys is "last 16", which was an epic time for the club. But team on pitch that day was a far better one than we have at club today. We can't expect times like than again unless there is investment and a shake up in scouting system. We can't continually replace players with sub-standard replacement. Are you too dense to understand that?

23 Nov 2015 15:01:41
I was replying to a post Edinbhoy where lennon was mentioned. DN is replying to my post where Lennon was never mentioned mate.

23 Nov 2015 15:09:02
Edinbhoy if you check back, you see that you are wrong about who started talking about who first, I agree with you that the club is moving in the right directions like you say. I just get the impression Ronnie does'nt have a clue, how to manage the team, once they're on the park.

23 Nov 2015 15:18:12
I didn't expect a debate about Lennon, I only mentioned that the knockers knocked Lennon as they do with Deila . It doesn't make them any more correct, just moaners . Many complained about Saturday but I didn't see many complain about Bro. madden . Yes I know we should be able to beat Kilmarnock no matter what the refs do but sometimes every team need a fair referee.

23 Nov 2015 15:41:28
DN if you read my post I mention that we don't need a better team or players to beat the dross we have came up against, this is RDs failing. Of course we would like better signings etc but do we really need them to beat the likes of Maribor, Molde, etc.
I notice that you never criticised my assessment on performance lol. easier to deflect than to look at the real issue. (Europe) .
Its also good to know you compare our great manager to a rookie who had never managed a team before.
Is this the BAR you set for Ronny lol.

23 Nov 2015 17:05:17
Thurs is a huge night for Ronny, the coaches and especially the players. They better start realising the damage they are doing to the club. If our perception gets any worse in Europe we'd be as well chucking it. It wasn't that long ago clubs from Norway etc were part time, Brattbakk worked in an office when we signed him from Rosenberg, now we are being humbled by their teams. It comes from the top and Lawwell is a megalomaniac, plain and simple! It would be bad enough if the decisions he was making were good but he's turning us into an afterthought. I mentioned Prandelli, some would like a proper Director Of Football, but something needs done! The fans I go to the games with are disgusted with the lot of them!

23 Nov 2015 17:05:58
Rayman just to refresh your memory that you mentioned Lennon in a post that i was refering to:

"Old bhoy neil Lennon never said he would give fast flowing good football, RD did that's the difference"

Hope that clarifys the matter.

Performances have been dull for a long time before Deila. I have consistently said that, however no matter how scrappy a win is il take it. Yes in an ideal world we would all like to see entertaining football each game, but reality is unless there is a shake up in transfer policies this is not going to happen. Deila needs more control over who is signed in order to make this 4-2-3-1 system more effective. Its all right saying play 4-4-2 but that's not going to help playing in europe.

Gerryc i'm not going over old ground with you. Your embarrasing yourself. Have you been drinking today?

23 Nov 2015 19:11:34
"Performances have been dull for a long time before Deila" nice deflection DN no mention of how dull they are just now.
The performances u mention before RD got us to the CL and last 16 let us not forget, oh and your favourite clean sheet record.
With no pressure to win the league u would think any decent manager could get his team playing good football.

23 Nov 2015 19:20:12
DN30, could you explain what I have said which means I am embarrassing myself.
My original message was asking you to debate with people without resorting to lies and insults, your reply just sums up my point to a tee.
Just for your information, I don't drink, I don't take drugs, and I don't smoke.
I suppose your next response will be to ridicule the fact that I don't do any of these.
I suppose I should take it as a compliment really, as it means you have lost the argument.

23 Nov 2015 21:27:32
iv checked back and I'm confident I was able to see who mentioned lennon first, oldbhoy then rayman then DN.

I find these same arguments frustrating to read. Surely people realise the difference in our team from when we qualified for the last 16 to now?

forster replaced by gordon

wilson, matthews replaced with boyata no one really

ledley, kayal, wanyama replaced with biton and johanson who have done well at times but our midfield is still much poorer than it was then

then hooper and samaras replaced with griffiths and ciftci

throw in armstrong and GMS somewhere as well but there is such a drop in quality. to blame RD for getting worse results isn't really understanding the issue surely?

23 Nov 2015 21:28:34
I still liked Lennon and 'Imagine' is still brilliant. oh, wait.

23 Nov 2015 22:28:01
Rayman what are you on about? Dull is dull, exciting is exciting. i'm struggling to see how you can justify the difference.

Gerryc I've achieved what i wanted. A reaction and you took the bait 🎣🎣🎣😂😂😂

Cheers edinbhoy for verifying. Its just usual lies from rayman lol.

24 Nov 2015 11:36:49
edinbhoy, I don't think anyone is saying our team is not weaker than it was a couple of years ago, but Ronny has to carry the can for things like style of play tactics and fitness.
When he first came to the club, a lot was made about fitness, yet for all our state of the art facilities at lennoxtown and all the talk of healthy diets, we look no fitter than any other team in Scotland, when do we ever score a late winner in matches, hardly ever, in fact in most games it's the opponents who seem to get stronger towards the end of matches.
These are things that Deila can influence, yet to be honest we look worse than we did under ANY previous manager.

22 Nov 2015 13:52:45
That's me just back an hour from yesterdays game, stayed over the night in Glasgow and while in the town started speaking to a few lads from Aberdeen who was doing the same thing, out of the 5 of us not one of us could say a good word about rd it really is time this guy moved on I have gave this guy my full backing from the start even thou I was a big Lenny fan, , but now is the time for Ronnie to move on, for the sake of the next manger so he can build and get a feeling for the club before the cl qualifiers for next year, I know what some fans are gona say who are we gona get or who will take the job, but any one must be better than rd he has not got a clue and as many other posters on here have said he is so predictable its scary.

22 Nov 2015 14:53:47
I don't think that anyone else could do much better I really don't. As long as the current board are in position then we will continue on as we are just now. The only way things will improve is for the board to go with a real Celtic man putting his money in!

22 Nov 2015 16:02:29
although I'm getting fed up a bit by the way we're playing from one week to the next, I'm getting even more fed up listening to folk wanting rid of delia, yes we want better, performances, European progress, domestic competitions etc, but we should remind ourselves where we are in terms of Scottish football standards, give the man time, ffs like him or not but most successful manager of note if Alex Ferguson and it took him 6 years to even win the league, what's the point in starting all over again every couple off seasons, get behind the manager and players as supporters, I firmly believe now that our board are the hindrance to our progress and not delia .

22 Nov 2015 16:26:12
So you are using argumentum ad populum to try and justify your own opinion? You do realise this is a fallacious form of argument and has no merit?

22 Nov 2015 16:27:57
I am getting a bit fed up at people blaming the board at every oppurtunity, it is Ronnie who makes the sometimes bizzare substitutions, it is Ronnie who picks and sets up the team, he has to take the blame when it is deserved, I think if hearts win the leaque it will be time for Ronnie to go, but till then I think he should be given enough time to sink or swim.

22 Nov 2015 16:50:03
Why would any Celtic fan expect 4 random Aberdeen fans have anything good to say about our manager . I wouldn't say anything good about their manager either if I was unfortunate to be in their company .
What surprises me much is that any Celtic fan couldn't find things good to praise our manager when talking to them .
Some supporter.

22 Nov 2015 16:58:20
The board must go, they are actually making the team worse rear on year. Scum bags the lot of them!

22 Nov 2015 17:29:37
Old bhoy if you read the post properly at no point did I say the lads from Aberdeen were dons fans or did I say ther were 4 of them, ther were 5 in total 2 of us from Cambridge and 3 boys from Aberdeen who support Celtic, it might surprise you but some fans travel to see the team we love and not fall out the front door to see them, but a little advice try reading something next time instead of jumping to your own conclusions, that's twice you have had a rise out of me on this site, if that's what your all about having pop at other tims your a sad act, I bet your one of them that tell people to sit down when Celtic are about to score, that's even if you go to the games.

22 Nov 2015 17:43:09
Poor post English boy. You would be better staying down and your side of the border!

22 Nov 2015 17:58:27
Have you read old boys post sack the board, I take it not, old bhoy has had a pop at me twice on here for no reason than to get a rise out of me, and from his past posts he's at it all the time, sack the board I have no ambitions to argue with fellow tims but I'm not gona sit back and let any have a pop, my original post of rd stepping down now is in my view a good one and would help Celtic for a new manger to come in now instead of 2 months before the qualifers that's only my view I didn't have a pop at any one and if you read the post it didn't deserve the post from old bhoy, but if it offended you or any other tim what I said I'm sorry its not who I am.

22 Nov 2015 18:05:31
@Sackthe board, did I read you right, telling a fellow tim NOT to come to Celtic Park, it is YOUR post that is poor.
@Oldbhoy, as English Bhoy says, you do have a habit of misreading posts, you have did it with mine and others on here so please go on a proof reading course so you can actually read accureately what people post.

22 Nov 2015 18:37:40
Maybe Oldbhoy was having a senior moment, and Sacktheboards post was well out of order.

22 Nov 2015 19:12:14
Timmalloy it wasn't that long ago you were calling me brain dead because I had an opinion different to you. Sack the board you should just be ignored when you tell a fellow supporter not to attend matches because they have a different opinion to yours. Your better than that mate. And old Bhoy at times you seem to be at war with everyone. Celtic supporters are entitled to an opinion both negative and positive. It's always better when things are positive but that's life. An experienced campaigner like yourself should know that. And why would it be misfortune to be in the company of an Aberdeen fan. Because they support a different team what does that matter. Not all fans of other clubs are a holes just like not every Celtic fan will be your cup of t. Dunno what's wrong with people at times.

22 Nov 2015 20:13:56
What difference does it make if you travel a distance to watch Celtic? Does that make you a better supporter? I think not, it probably means that you are single or happy to be away from the family! There are far too many people on here that are sheep and will follow the crowds! I won't and I will not apologise for any comments that I believe are correct. With regards to Tim the master gambler, you say I am out of line telling a Celtic fan not to attend our games.. That's rich coming from a supporter that has form for betting against out team. Shame on you Tim.

22 Nov 2015 20:45:07
@Sackthebhoy did not want to give your post dignity of a reply not for me (fire your brickbats, better than you have tried, oh and like oldbhoy please proof read my posts, I DO NOT bet against Celtic as I have said many times, I put up odds or post about my ex bear pals betting against celtic, different thing) oh and STB making stupid references about anyone;s private life is out of order, I have been happily married over 30 years and until recently travelled everywhere supporting the bhoys, sometimes even Mrs T came if it was abroad. I would imagine English bhoy to be something similar to me. The point I got from englishbhoy was he was fed up travelling such distances to watch deila's teams perform so poorly.
@Garybhoy my reference was about a specific thing you did that was what I referred to, but I apologise as even weeks later it still bugs you, do not be so sensitive.

22 Nov 2015 20:45:42
SackTheBoard. What an absolute pile of sh! te. I live in England. By no means am I single (not that it would be a problem) or estranged from my family. Celtic are global and people travel distances to get to games bit at no point did EnglishBhoy claim to be a better fan. As for the 'your side of the border' line. Covered yourself in glory there. Fud.

22 Nov 2015 20:48:09
Sack the board your obviously not talking to me as I never once mentioned distance. My problem is you telling someone to stay away because there opinion is different from yours. If that was the case just about every marriage on the planet would fail before the reception was finished. People have different opinions mate its just dis respectful to tell someone to stay away because you don't agree with them. What gives you that right. I'm sure plenty don't agree with you how would you react if they told you to stay away from the club.

22 Nov 2015 21:17:50
We are all Celtic fans we at least have that in common. However Tim I believe you to be a serial porkie pie teller and I have no time for the rubbish you spout. I agree I have no right to tell a fellow fan they are not welcome but it was my reaction to the post then and I still feel the same now. I will however tone down my opinions in the interests of the group. Tim I've been calling you on here constantly and I will continue to do so until I agree with your posts! Hail Hail

22 Nov 2015 21:43:01
I am sorry English bhoy for misinterpreting your opening comment .
You obviously not happy with Deila and you are entitled to your opinion . I would have thought that it would be a better idea to confront the board with your views on Thursday rather than over a drink with a few fans . No matter how much you moan in an hotel bar or post on here, you r not likely to much action from board.
I don't exactly tumble out of my front door to go to Celtic Park,18 hrs from I leave the front door until I get back to it .
As for asking fans to sit, I won't make an apology for doing so .
Pls accept my apologies.

22 Nov 2015 22:15:42
Well said Old boy!

23 Nov 2015 07:20:13
Apolagie accepted old bhoy things got heated over are little spat, tensions are running high for all that love Celtic, and most probley its best if we take it out on a each other than any one else, but unity is the only way forward, we have bigger foes to defeat next year and in my view rd should go now for the sake of Celtic, but the board will be a very different battle they like ther payoff to much, billionaires and multi millionaires taken a wage from something ther declare to love they will use every dirty trick in the book before giving up ther cut, hail hail.

23 Nov 2015 15:34:25
Now you are talking English Boy . Fans get a chance once a year to let the board know their feelings .
Venting our feelings have been on the topics the board wanted and set us up for.
Over recent years Green Brigade Minimum Wage and this yr Living Wage and Livingstone .
We as fans and (very) small shareholders have fallen for it every year . Instead of having the main focus on raising money ( they all proved they are good at that) for themselves and more important supplying the manager with the funds necessary to compete at a high standard in Europe .
So many people here criticise Deila almost daily . I would too if I was happy that we had pushed the board to the limit by all legal means to supply Deila with enough funds.
How many on here think we are spending enough on players and it is solely Deila's fault that we are struggling to Qualify in Europa League.

21 Nov 2015 23:54:01
I wonder what excuses will be created by the RD sympyithsers today? Probably all the boards fault as usual!

22 Nov 2015 00:25:48
I bet there were people like you even when Jock Stein was the manager and the team did not win.

22 Nov 2015 00:41:48
It's simple really the manager is incompetent. He is bewildered and fans who are still waiting on his grand vision being realised are going to be sorely disappointed. He has no tactical awareness, can't outthink other coaches and certainly can't respond to difficulties during the game, today was another example of this. All the things he stated he would bring are missing, no high tempo, no pressing and certainly no super fit team, we weren't any fitter than Kilmarnock today. He should do the decent thing and resign.

22 Nov 2015 00:49:18
Think that must be the comment of the year, comparing Ronnie to Jock Stein, I am not so anti Ronnie as some people might think, I am willing to give him time to prove himself, but he is using up that time very rapidly, why not play Allan today, why not play Tierney?

{Ed007's Note - So we kept a clean sheet and your moaning about who was playing LB? The defence looked more solid than it has in a long time and Tierney has been a tired/fatigued, should we just play him week in and week out to burn him out like we have in the past?
You might not rate RD but you can't deny he knows how to nurture young players.
All the people who were moaning about Johansen playing, well he was dropped, the people moaning about playing 2 up front, we changed to that today and it didn't make much difference, and how much have you seen of Scott Allan?
He's 23 and hasn't even made 100 career appearances and has been passed around on loan more times than Debbie Does Dallas on VHS, he's had one decent season in the Scottish second division and all of a sudden he's going to be our new saviour?
Honestly, how many games have you actually watched him in? I'm surprised there hasn't been calls for him to get in the Scotland squad or to check if he's got an Irish granny!
Come on mate, you're usually smarter than this.}

22 Nov 2015 00:58:51
@RABMAC unfortunately ( or fortunately ) I'm not old enough to remember the great man but I'm prettt sure even if he had the odd bad results domestically he managed to do OK in Europe. my comments are not based on todays performance but that of which has been on display for the majority or RDs tenure. We have a squad better, IMO, than molde, and malmo ( I won't go in to last season ) but yet we were played off the park by both of them, how do you defend that?

22 Nov 2015 01:20:48
Ed, my point being, how are we going to see how Allan performs, if he is only going to get eight minutes in a game as a sub, because Ronnie has his favourites, as for Tierney, he is going to be burnt out?, i apolagise, I didn't realise he has been playing constantly since the start of the season, I just thought that I would like him to play against Ajax, and playing today would have been good for him to 'get in the groove '

{Ed007's Note - It's the lad himself that's feeling it, it's a big step up fitness wise and mentally, I'd rather see Tierney at 100% 2 games out of 5 than 60% 5 out of 5, in the bigger picture playing today wouldn't have been for the best, I don't think it's that big a deal in the short term, if we had won today would you still have 'moaned' about KT not playing? We'll reap the benefits in the long run of doing things the right way just now with Tierney.
You're spot on about Allan, but for me he needs to earn that chance, and with his lack of experience he should be competing with the youngsters for that chance. For his age he's no better than our young players. Look who's shing for Hibs this year, should we be looking at signing Cummings, that James Keatings looks the part not to mention McGeouch and Henderson.}

22 Nov 2015 01:26:45
@edd007 if Tierney is tired / fatigued surely that is due to his training / coaching? He hasn't played first team football for at least a fortnight so why is he so tired? Why can John Stones play week in and out? You have always said that we can't be technically as good as the top players but there is nothing stopping us being as fit ao what's the difference now?

{Ed007's Note - John Stones is 21 and played 66 times for Everton in 3 seasons, is that week in and week out? KT is 18, who knows what the future brings. Come back to me in 3 years and see what Tierney has done. Then you'll know what the difference is.}

22 Nov 2015 07:14:06
@Grout64 - If our manager is so incompetent (as was Ally McCoist who couldn't win the Championship despite having the second biggest budget in Scotland by far) then why has he won two trophies and got some good results and performances in Europe? Anyway, why am I even defending Deila when it is clear to everyone on here that we should sack him and get you in as his replacement as you no doubt have much better tactics and training regimes?

@Aindoh - Why don't you point out where I compared Deila to Stein, feel free to use the direct quote. With regards to comparing Stones and Tierney you might notice one plays full back and the other centre back. You may also notice that our full backs do far more running than Everton's centre backs.

I reckon it was a good decision to rest Commons and Tierney and keep them fresh for Ajax match. I can guarantee you that despite what some of you might think, every Celtic player bar none is fitter now than they were under Lennon. I can also guarantee you that Ronny knows exactly who is 100% ready for a match and who can play 2 matches in a week easily. Yes Deila does have some faults but sports science, player fitness and developing players are not among them. If you think they are it only shows ignorance.

22 Nov 2015 09:58:34
Sorry RabMac, I misread your comment. It was'nt me that mentioned Stones, as for Tierney, maybe he is leaving too much of his energy on the training ground.

22 Nov 2015 10:13:45
Based on the logic above of Celtic have a better squad etc should Barcelona not have beat celtic in champions league? Teams set out to nulify other teams attack and in all levels of football it is very hard to break that down regardless of budgets squad sizes. Malmo and Molde did to Celtic what Celtic did to Barcelona. Tierney hasn't played 3 times in a week yet so why would people expect it now. He's only played a handful of games so there's no way he could perform to the level he has playing too much football.

22 Nov 2015 10:21:50
Rabmac I would be interested to hear why you are defending him. My view although only subjective is that at least 8 of the 12 premier league managers would win the league given the Celtic squad particularly last year when he had two exceptional centre backs. Can you point me to the good results in Europe! his benchmark seems to be going out to inter Milan after losing three goal at Celtic park. He hasn't delivered what he said he would.

As a matter of interest how long are you willing to give him?

As an aside I am not currently available for the mangers job.

22 Nov 2015 10:28:55
Rabmac just to add I think it is important to recognise his positive qualities, so perhaps his job should be as our sports scientist, fitness coach or youth development officer, these skills do not make him a good manager that's the problem. His response yesterday to the game slipping away from us was pathetic, I assume you were at the game and agree that Forrest was our most dangerous player creating chance after chance on the right flank? . RD then inexplicably decided to switch him with GMS weakening two positions at one stroke. Amateurish and incompetent.

22 Nov 2015 11:03:50
@JGD2 - you said it will probably be all the boards fault as usual, well it was them that appointed Ronny, who you obviously don't rate so I don't understand your point there! It's also their model that every manager Currently has to follow, and is simply not working. This team is absolutely rotten, plain and simple. I was away for a few days but someone told me last night that they thought they heard Lawwell saying the wage bill is the same as it was under O'Neill, if that's true he should resign tomorrow morning. We don't have any Larssons or Suttons so the only thing I can think of is that this squad is much bigger and fortunes is getting wasted on squad players, aka projects. The balance of the team is all wrong and we have no real quality. This season has been torture from day 1, and although I like Deila, he isn't ruthless enough. The way guys like Armstrong, GMS, Boyata and Cifti have hardly had 1 good game between them! Ronny also goes on and on about them not playing to the right tempo, he says it after every poor performance, then he plays the same players the following week. If we sold the lot of them in Jan I couldn't care less.

22 Nov 2015 12:25:46
In my humble opinion reading through the post I DO blame the board not RD I think the manager should have last say as to what players we sign and for that matter the first say as well until the club changes the policy that they have just now we will always have this discussion.

22 Nov 2015 12:28:09
@Grout64 - While I do like Deila and would like to see him given more time I openly admit he is not without fault.

Anyway, to answer your questions:

Good results in Europe: 1-1 away to Maribor was a decent result and while we lost the return leg at Parkhead we were actually the better team but just did not put our chances away. It is a myth that we were shocking in these matches.

2-2 away to Red Bull Salzburg was a good result and I also thought we performed well in that match. Admittedly they pumped us at Parkhead and it was probably the worst I have seen us perform under Deila in that match.

1-0 against Dinamo Zagreb was a good result.
2-1 against Astra was a good result
3-3 against Inter was a good result. In the away leg I thought we played really well and if it had not been for the red card things may well have gone our way that night.

I also thought we were excellent against Malmo at home and should have buried the tie in the home leg. Individual mistakes cost us in that match.

2-2 against Ajax and Fenerbache were both good results and if it had not been for poor defending at set pieces we would have got the wins in those matches.

In relation to how long I would give him, I think he deserves another year as long as he wins the league and delivers at least 1 cup.

You may have a point about him being better suited to a different role at Parkhead but as I asnwered above, I think he is deserving of more time. Saying all that he does need to adapt his approach to European games as the way he sets us up leaves us exposed at the back and as we have seen the teams in Europe have enough quality to punish us.

22 Nov 2015 12:44:52
It also sums up the whole situation pretty well when people are freaking out because young Teirney and Commons weren't playing, God help us! And with regards guys like Scott Allan, they are obviously not doing it in training. I'm not really bothered about that, I'm bothered about why are they not doing it, and why were they bloody signed in the first place - that's another 6/8k per week that you'd be as well flinging out the window, along with your Stokes, McGregors etc etc. Also why not send Stokes on loan to Bolton when they asked, some of the decisions are bizarre. Lawwell seems to think as well he's doing a great job, and everything's cool, while we have to watch this horsesh1t. It doesn't matter if we had 90% possession yesterday, the teams in Scotland are like glorified pub teams. Malmo beat Hibs 7-0 a couple of years ago! It's getting to the point that the fans are going to have to do something because Lawwell is either trying to be super wide or is deluded!

22 Nov 2015 12:23:53
Ed, Since you are a mine of info mate do you know where/if you can get Debbie Does Dallas on DVD mate av been looking for it for donks! :-)

Seriously folks, yesterday was awful to watch but RD is carrying out PL's guiding instructions to the T! and is not going anywhere fast!

{Ed007's Note - The only DVD version I've ever seen was cut so much and so badly it was more like something you used to get late on a Saturday night on Sly.}

22 Nov 2015 13:22:36
Hi Rab, I was at the 3 group games in the Europa League last year and we were awful in the 3, except the 2nd half against Salzburg! We were 2-0 down after a few mins against Inter also. So all in all except spells against Ajax and Fenerbahce, and the first half against Malmo the 2 campaigns have been an absolute nightmare. I wouldn't mind so much if it was against PSG, Shakhtar and R Madrid but teams from Poland, Romania, Norway, Sweden and Croatia. There will not be one player in any of those teams earning close to what Scott Brown and most of our other players earn, Rosenberg might be the 1 exception. It's not good enough, period.