Celtic Banter Archive June 22 2016

22 Jun 2016 23:06:31
Q.? How much could we take in transfer fees for the dead wood we got laying around 5-10 MIL? + season ticket sales and of course the biscuit tin getting dusted down and opened, anyone think three 5mil+ players coming in? Or am I going to wake up with my face in y cornflakes again HH.

23 Jun 2016 07:53:18
Well if Rodgers is to be believed then he says he doesn't have a wage cap or budget so who to say we won't spend 10m on one player although I can't see it but I never thought the board would have got us Rodgers either tbh.

23 Jun 2016 14:18:41
But it didn't cost them anywhere near £10M to get Rodgers marco1888.

23 Jun 2016 22:24:27
it would be a huge statement of intent to that other mob and put them right in there place why not pay 10mil for one player? We spend 2/ 3 mil on around 4 players atm, I think either a £10m striker cm/ dm/ am cb or gk go for someone who can come in to the spine of the team and take control.

24 Jun 2016 15:34:26
People who are regarded as deadwood at Celtic will not be much sought of elsewhere . In fact we probably won't be able to give away most . They are in all probability earning more money than they are worth or they can get elsewhere .
We probably have to pay part of their wages either in lump-sum or on an instalment basis or else wait until their contract expires .

22 Jun 2016 20:54:24
Ed what the situation with Ciftci, not heard much about him and I'm terrified he ends up back at the club!

{Ed007's Note - He's back or due back buddy but his agent is looking for a club for him and we won't be hard to deal with. Ciftci could be difficult to shift though if he's going to lose money from the deal.}

22 Jun 2016 23:16:32
Cheers Ed I'd be gutted if he ended up back in the fold! I made my feelings clear a year ago when he signed I could not believe we had signed him! Let's hope he's moved on very quickly.

{Ed007's Note - It was a head scratcher when we signed him and it was no surprise to me that he was shipped out again asap.}

22 Jun 2016 18:19:40
Joey Barton was an answer on pointless tonight quite apt I thought the question was celebrity moustaches and the picture showed him with a little Hitler moustache. People were forced to listen to his rants as well He led a group everyone hated and they're now confined to history books except a few deluded bampots.

22 Jun 2016 00:32:06
So I've read a few of Brendans comments from his press conference. hope it's true what he said about he's not been told about any wage cap for players and we can bring in 2 or 3 quality signings! Sounds like he's got his eye on a couple of targets already! And he also spoke about cutting the squad down to which is exactly what we need! What do u make of his comments ED? Do u think he'll be able to add some real quality?

{Ed007's Note - Didn't Neil Lennon and Ronny Deila say the exact same things? Why should it be any different this time?}

22 Jun 2016 12:28:10
I think its different this time though - DD won't want what happened at Hampden to happen again so will invest more than he has done in the last few years. Any truth in the Sinclair rumours Ed?

{Ed007's Note - That's what you think, has DD told you that or are you just guessing? Nobody has told me what Brendan Rodgers does well or what he brings to the table. The support are doing cartwheels simply because it's Brendan Rodgers, he's Irish and Celtic-minded - none of that has anything to do with his management abilities or lack of them.
At Swansea he reaped the rewards of Martinez hard work and at Liverpool he was a laughing stock with his own fans never mind the rest of the English game, even to the extent that Liverpool fans call him Bodgers, players whose career he messed up had been 'Brendaned' etc etc
Do you really think I should change my opinion on a manager simply because he's now Celtic manager? Sorry but I'm not that shallow.
As far as I know there has been no approach for the yet another below average EPL diddy Scott Sinclair, are we just going to start filling our team with the dregs of the EPL, the never have beens and never will bes like our noisy neighbours are doing?}

22 Jun 2016 12:39:56
Can't remember them saying that to be honest ED. i remember them saying that they couldn't break the wage cap because the players already there wouldn't be happy! Brendans said the opposite to that. hopefully getting rid of the deadwood continues and he'll bring 2 or 3 bits of quality! Not to sure about the link to Scott Sinclair to be honest. good player at Swansea but seems to have lost his way lately!

{Ed007's Note - If he thinks there's no wage cap because nobody told him then this summer should be worth a giggle. So do you believe there's no wage cap at Celtic now because nobody's told Rodgers? There's players at every club getting paid more than the rest, the old chestnut about dressing room harmony is just a line wheeled out to shoot down accusations of not paying the going rate for players. Either hat or there must be some atmosphere at Lennoxtown because Scott Brown is getting paid more than anyone else - you can't have it both ways, it's either BS or players were complaining about Brown getting paid more than them.}

22 Jun 2016 13:14:29
Stop being such a Negative Nancy Ed :)

{Ed007's Note - Don't you mean 'Just be a Gullible Gerry Ed'?}

22 Jun 2016 13:46:12
What about the season Liverpool shocked everyone to finish 2nd Ed? I Suppose that was all down to the players? Suarez improved massively under Rodgers, so too did Sturridge and Henderson. He turned Sterling into a £50 million player. Does he deserve no credit for that? That's like saying RD deserves no credit for developing Van Dijk. I'll form my own opinion of Rodgers based on what he does here rather than base it on the opinions of a set of supporters who haven't won their league in over 20 years, with 'Bodgers' leading them as close to glory as they've ever came and are ever likely to get in the next 20 years.

{Ed001's Note - for starters Rafa got Liverpool just as close as the Bodger did. For second, the way the team fell apart after losing Suarez showed how little credit Rodgers can take, considering his 3 and a bit seasons had one half season of quality, the rest consisted of boring passing for passing's sake football. You would be better giving the credit to a true genius in Marcelo Bielsa, who gave Rodgers the blueprint he used in that second half of the season during a winter coaches meeting. Shame Rodgers didn't have the sense to stick to it, believing, in his arrogance, that he knew better than a real world class coach and reverted to the system he believed in.

Thirdly, not sure how you can claim he improved any of those players, that is just nonsense. Henderson he tried to force out of the club and he improved in spite of Rodgers. Suarez was world class, regardless of Rodgers, he just needed time to adapt to the league. And Sturridge has always been quality, again it was regardless of Rodgers.

How did he turn Sterling into a £50m player? You mean because City paid over the odds that makes him that value? And how did he turn him into anything? The lad went backwards under Rodgers, in his final season, and has never recovered.}

22 Jun 2016 14:06:17
What about an Optimistic Oliver.

{Ed007's Note - Go into situations expecting nothing and you always come out getting something better than you had ever expected.}

22 Jun 2016 14:46:18
FFS!
Not even played a game and we're trashing a manager.
Let the fans have hope.

22 Jun 2016 15:05:15
Sorry ED007 your creditability is low after publicly backing Deila the Donkey for 2 seasons, I will give Rodgers a chance, looks like you and I will never agree on Celtic managers lol.

{Ed007's Note - For backing a manager that won us 2 league titles? Yeah I'm a terrible supporter. Maybe you were listening to your 'ex-bear pals' too much, you share everything else they think with us.}

22 Jun 2016 15:34:05
What happened at Hampden had more to do with the ineptness of the manager than the quality of the players.

22 Jun 2016 16:42:06
Ouch kettle and pot ED007 you are simply listening to YOUR pal ED001 who has a grudge against Rodgers and you are basing your opinions on that.

{Ed007's Note - I've read page after page of it for years, funny how last week someone said I was wrong about a player because Ed001 said he was good. I've got concerns about Rodgers being the manager and have said what they are and all you have is childish digs because you can't argue back against what I've said.
I give my own opinion and I'm not going to change my opinion of a manager simply because he has became Celtic manager, I'm not that gullible or shallow.}

22 Jun 2016 17:52:17
This coming from the guy who wanted Roy Keane appointed! What a cracking managerial record he has 🙈.

22 Jun 2016 20:37:43
My mate is an avid red, his opinion is Rodgers will do a good job.
My opinion is I will judge him on style of play, titles and trophys. CL is a bonus for a new man in the first season.
Ed your entitled to your opinion as everyone is, if your mind is made up so be it.
I hope BR is backed to the hilt in the transfer market and he has a good legacy for us.
In my opinion MON was successful because of the quality of player as opposed to his amazing talent. He was the right man at the right time. Left the club a bit out of shape but I wouldn't trade the memories for anything. Let's hope Brendan can get something going and no one will care what he's done previously.

{Ed007's Note - Oh well that's it if your mate says so then. My mate doesn't think Charlie Mulgrew should get a new contract and Brendan Rodgers does - that's a great great start eh? Resigning a player that the vast majority of fans have said for years is finished, or is that OK now because it's Rodgers? Oh and my mate's bigger than your mate - anonymous third person opinions are always a good start to a debate. 76% of Celtic fans think Rodgers was born in the Rep. of Ireland, baseless statistics are always handy to use as well.
So because I'm not creaming my boxers or screaming and shouting like some daft wee lassie about his appointment and have pointed out legitimate concerns that I have my 'mind is made up'? What does that even mean?
I'll give Rodgers the same chance every other manager gets but to think just because we appointed him everything is hunky dory is sheer lunacy. Like you I hope Rodgers is backed to the hilt in the transfer market but I doubt it and the players we're being linked to aren't doing much to change my mind, journeyman and squad players from the most over rated league in the world, are we back to there? Rodgers' legacy will be what condition the club is in when he leaves and his past record on that isn't too successful is it. You need to look at what people have previously done to form an opinion and maybe if people took their head out their arses and actually looked at what he's done they would see the same things - I took great delight reading and hearing about his numerous f**k ups at Liverpool and his off field antics. I didn't doubt what I heard then and I'd be an idiot if I chose to ignore ALL of it now simply because he's the Celtic manager.
This is the first managerial appointment you're not allowed to talk sensibly about since Kenny Dalglish and John Barnes came in, everybody and their uncle was telling me how great things were going to be now that King Kenny was home and running things. There's none so blind as those that refuse to see.}

22 Jun 2016 21:57:44
Help ma boab!
Talk about a retort, here goes:

I'm not for one second saying BR is a great manager, what I'm saying is I don't know how he will do for us, he is the appointment we've made, and moaning/ debating about what he did or didn't do before doesn't change anything, so just like all the appointments previously that wouldn't have been my first pick I'll get behind him and give him the benefit of the doubt - I won't waste my time moaning about his history until he makes history at Celtic park.

I support Celtic but I'm not fussed about a Celtic minded manager - but I appreciate many fans do. Time will tell what sort of legacy BR leaves - let's hope it's good.

As for my pal, I'm not saying his opinion counts, but as a supporter he is entitled to his. I'm not saying his opinion justifies BR appointment - you've jumped in and put two and two together there. As everyone seems to quote Liverpool fans who slag him off I thought I would quote my mate to give our new man a bit of support. We just had two years with a split support, and like it or not as the ed you should take the responsibility that a lot of people (myself included) are influenced by your posts.

I never even mentioned Charlie Mulgrew! - WTF?

As for your mind being made up, my take on your posts to date regarding BR is that you seemed to have formed a strong opinion, based on what you believe/ know. I know hee haw about him so I'm happy to start with a bit of a blank canvas. If your not happy with that then fair f$cks to you.

If you think I'm blinkered by a man with an Irish accent you are well off the mark pal, I'm a Scotsman and Celtic are a Scottish club with strongnirish heritage - that's my opinion.
Football is a game and I want my team to win, it doesn't matter who delivers as long as we enjoy the ride along the way.

Let's hop we get ten in a row, Ronnie can have his place in history for delivering two of them and let's hope BR delivers another five.

Hail Hail.

{Ed007's Note - How dare you say Brendan Rodgers isn't a great manager! Why are you allowed to say that and I can't? All I done was express my concerns, explained why I had them and justified why I had them, that doesn't mean my mind's made up on anything, I gave my opinion which isn't blinkered by the fact we've appointed him.
And if my opinion influences people so much then surely I'm entitled to voice it, I'm certainly not going to say something just because it's what people want to hear, stick to CQN or the Celtic View for that stuff.
Us supporters and the Club keep banging on about producing our own players through the academy, as a Celtic supporter are you not concerned with the new manager's record of neglecting the Liverpool youth set up and playing games with youngsters careers? Getting them to sign contracts, promising them game time then sending them out on loan TWICE isn't the way to treat youngsters, we could (note I said COULD) easily end up back like under NL when the youth teams never got near the first team in training never mind the squad, the youth set up deteriorated under Lennon and if Rodgers does the same you can forget signing youngsters like Rogic and Ajer in future.
As a Celtic supporter, are you happy that the new manager sees fit to offer Charlie Mulgrew - a player that the majority of the support can clearly see isn't good enough and the same player that sauntered off the park in a European match with a mystery injury - a reported THREE year contract?
Having concerns and raising them doesn't mean I don't want the manager to succeed but some people seem to think it's guaranteed and it's not, not at the level they're expecting - they'll start staying away and wanting him sacked if he fails to qualify for the CL. #BestFansInTheWorld}

22 Jun 2016 22:49:56
I've a mate who supports Celtic and Liverpool he was all for Rodgers to be sacked for about a year before he actually got sacked at Liverpool now he thinks he's the best thing ever and is calling him a great manager he had a lot of views similar to what ed001 put up earlier.

{Ed007's Note - The strange thing is there were loads of people who didn't want Moyes because of the mess he made at Utd but they're ignoring the mess Rodgers made at Liverpool, even when people who support Liverpool and have an inside knowledge of the club tell them they're told their wrong. Ed002 isn't really a football fan and there is pages of her talking about Rodgers on the Liverpool site and all of a sudden an Eds words aren't good enough because it's not what people want to hear.
If Celtic had signed Joey Barton there would be people on here sticking up for him and telling us how he's changed and matured even though all the evidence is to the contrary.}

23 Jun 2016 00:01:42
Regardless of is he a good manager or a bad manager surely we can believe he has more say than predecessors simply by the money we are paying him . What would be the sense in paying that amount? I'd like to think we are a paying a manager several more than those before because we believe in his ideas. I'd be very disappointed if we decided to pay someone so much more to manage under sams rules. Time will tell.

22 Jun 2016 20:45:41
Sterling went backwards cause he's attitude stank! Who had heard of Sterling till Rodgers took over and noticed he's talent so what does Rodgers not deserve credit giving him he's chance! I think you should look at Raheem and he's agent think they're more the reason he's forms pish. Another young footballer who thinks he should be paid a fortune. Iam sure more lpool fans will back Rodgers than Sterling and I don't rate James Forrest never have but should we blame the great Ronny for holding his career back.

{Ed001's Note - actually Liverpool bought him, long before Rodgers appeared on the scene, from QPR under a lot of competition from the other big clubs in England. Everyone knew who he was and he was already in the first team squad when Rodgers took over. His attitude only stank after Rodgers came in and messed him about and did things like sent him on a holiday midseason etc. It was after that his new agent came on the scene and was able to persuade a talented kid, who had fallen out with Rodgers, that he deserved better. If Rodgers had have handled the kid better, the situation might never have arisen in the first place. I don't care what Liverpool fans think, most of them are as ignorant of the facts as you clearly are. Rodgers was inept at man-management to the point of it being known as being 'Rodgered' when he again ruined a youngster's career, as he did to so many that are now leaving the club for little or even no money. Players such as Teixeira, who was the shining star of the NextGen's first edition, Tiago Ilori, who Rodgers got the club to pay over £10m for and then never ever gave him a chance in the side, Lazar Markovic, who he convinced the club to pay in excess of 20m for, then proceeded to play him at wingback before sending him out on loan for the season. Wisdom, who he farmed out on crap loans here there and everywhere, without ever once ensuring the loaning clubs would play him. There are many more examples I could mention too.}

23 Jun 2016 08:46:14
When did I say Rodgers had bought Sterling! Iam asking would he have been noticed or given he's chance in first team under another manager, you say Iam ignorant you've more or less been on here slating new manager of my club since he got job, if these youngsters that good they'll get kept and played by Klopp oh wait has one of them no joined Porto aye he must be buzzing to stay for the klopp factor eh. I see Klopp coyping Brendans transfer policy a bit by bidding for Southampton players aswell! Iam no coming on here and arguing way you about lpool because your right I've no idea what happens way your team but when it comes to Celtic ill defend them best I can maybe it won't work for Rodgers but Iam more positive it will. All the best to your team this season but we will see if Klopp gets yous anywhere near a title way Rodgers did.

{Ed001's Note - Sterling was already in the first team when Rodgers came in. Rodgers only gave him his chance due to injuries and lack of alternative options. I fail to see why you are unable to read and understand that my point was that Rodgers did not spot him and bring him into the fold. He was a highly sought after youth player that Liverpool bought by outbidding a few other Prem teams to get him.

Those youngsters were out of contract and wanted to leave because of the treatment they received at the hands of Rodgers, nothing to do with Klopp. You really think interest in Mane is equivalent to Rodgers's policy of buying half the Southampton team with no idea of how to use them?

Why do you feel a need to defend Celtic? Are you 5 years old and unable to differentiate from someone making legitimate criticism and someone just slagging off the club? You need to grow up, it is a game and you are taking it all personal. Embarrassing.

Oh and Klopp doesn't have the luxury of the best player in the Prem, unlike Rodgers. A player who has gone to Barca and outshone Messi over the last season. If Klopp had Suarez we would walk the Prem. If Liverpool had have had a top manager instead of Rodgers, they would have won the Prem easily.}

23 Jun 2016 09:24:45
Why do u keep using the fact that Rodgers had saurez to thank for any success he had oneill inherited Larsson mourinho inherited rashford that's football it's how u get the best out of these great players, and he clearly did with saurez.

{Ed001's Note - because the best managers can build teams of their own.}

23 Jun 2016 09:44:30
How long did he get at anfield btw, ferguson was 4 year without any success klopp already a year down the line with no success he'll be gone soon enough 26 and counting lol.

{Ed001's Note - Ferguson had success prior to arriving and needed to rebuild after previous failed managers. Klopp is in a similar position to Fergie at United, needing to rebuild after a failed previous manager. Oh and he got the club to two more cup finals than Rodgers managed in just a few months, while Rodgers took over a team that made it to two cup finals, winning one, and never managed to reach one in 3 and a bit years. There really is no argument for Rodgers. He is not ready to be a manager.}

23 Jun 2016 10:00:18
That'll be that then could the last person put the parkheed lights oot we're doomed tae failure cause of that pesky Rodgers or bodgers or whatever he named is.

{Ed001's Note - pointless talking to the likes of you really. Grow up.}

23 Jun 2016 10:13:23
U say ferrgie needed time to rebuild after following a failed manager so by that thinking BR should still be at anfield as he got very little time to rebuild after KD and do you think klopp will get 4 years remember 1 already gone with no trophies.

{Ed001's Note - Dalglish won a trophy and got to another final, that was a team that should have only needed tweaking, so no, by that thinking Bodgers should not have needed time. Klopp has only had a few months not a year yet. Klopp took over a team in an absolute mess partway through the season, Rodgers took over in the summer with a fresh start. He also had a team on the up, which only saw Dalglish being sacked because of the way the Suarez-Evra incident was handled. Rodgers had more than enough time to display any kind of progress, but he showed nothing but regression on and off the field, despite spending ridiculous amounts of money and building a huge squad. A squad so big he couldn't find room for all the players and had to send too many out on loans with no plan for their future.}

23 Jun 2016 11:07:16
35 mill for andy Carroll suppose that was BR as well.

{Ed001's Note - don't be an arse, everyone knows he joined the same time as Suarez, so was nothing to do with Rodgers.}

23 Jun 2016 11:08:03
Ed001 your dislike of Rodgers only clouds your judgement KD was a complete an utter pap in his second spell he should never have done it in the first place, and trying to put all the problems he created on Rodgers is just wrong, it wasn't Rodgers who wasted 35mil of the Torres fee on ANDY CARROL, Rodgers had a huge rebuild to do the team that finished second had maybe one player who was there under KD and that was Suarez. Not even the numpty mourinho could win the league with Liverpool you are now one of they clubs just clinging to history the same way we have started to go when it comes to Europe. Rafa Benitez had a world class team let's not forget it? Rodgers would never have been able to get a team of that quality even if he wanted to. Players like Xavi alonso are worth 50mil nowadays, how do you replace Gerard as well? Certainly not with Henderson if you even want to win anything.

{Ed001's Note - dislike? I have never said I dislike Rodgers. He is a nice guy and a very good coach, just an awful manager. I don't dislike him at all. Carroll was signed out of desperation on Commolli's say so, when Dalglish wanted a striker to replace Torres and work with Suarez. Liverpool actually tried to buy 8 or 9 strikers, missing out on them all, and ended up with Carroll as a last resort.

There was no huge rebuild needed, it was the rebuild that destroyed the team the year ahead of the 14/15 season. Why are you trying to argue from a point of complete ignorance? You know nothing about the circumstances, clearly, but you are so desperate to believe Brodge is the messiah you will make up lies about what happened before.

Rafa had a world class team? Seriously? Are you really going to try and argue that idiotic point? There were 3 top class players in that team, Torres, Gerrard and Alonso. Rodgers had Gerrard, he had Suarez and he had the money to spend to buy better, but bought badly. Really you are embarrassing yourself, it was the loss of Henderson for the run in that cost the title.

You must be blissfully happy in your world, because ignorance is bliss and you are among the most ignorant people I have ever had the misfortune to have to edit a post from. Tabloid crap is all you know.}

23 Jun 2016 11:45:37
35 million last resort feck me, so it was commolis fault hey maybe it was him that signed all those players for BR.

{Ed001's Note - Commolli was sacked because of the mistakes he made, just like Rodgers was later too.}

22 Jun 2016 08:47:15
One of the papers are linking us with Scott Sinclair. His name was touted about before and I think it would be a good move. He's struggled since he took the big move to City but his record for Swansea was better than 1 in 3 so him and Roberts on either wing would run riot.

22 Jun 2016 09:05:19
For the 2m they're saying we could have had Elyounoussi. Better player. Better capital for Liewell too.

22 Jun 2016 11:13:50
Jim. Tim how do you no elyounoissi is better than Sinclair have you seen him a lot cause I'm willing to bet Sinclair would run a riot.

22 Jun 2016 11:40:43
I think sinclair comes in always liked him think he needs a bit of hunger for the game again the pressure of must wins every week may instill that in him and hopefully european football and chance of silverware. Next few weeks should be interesting hopefully not free transfers from english lower leagues and 40 year old defenders or clapped out used to be great players from the usa leagues 🍀.

22 Jun 2016 12:07:18
Well I can't say I know wullie. Just that I think. I'd seen enough of Elyounoussi to have been suggesting him before we were linked with him. They've both scored the same amount goals. Only ME is 21. Although he hasn't been playing BPL standard, he's young and is on form. Even this season he's currently in he's hitting 1 in 2. The guy has demonstrated goalscoring ability over a few seasons now. With SS, we're hoping he replicates the one good season he had 6 year ago.

22 Jun 2016 12:10:17
How many times have you honestly seen Elyounoussi play JimTim? If you've only seen him against us then I'd argue it doesn't mean too much because we were absolutely woeful. Sinclair has performed well at a higher level, granted he has dipped recently.

22 Jun 2016 13:05:28
I'd probably add 5-6 games plus highlights of every game he's scored in to the two times he played us kevbhoy. Not exactly a great deal but i've seen him do a hell of a lot more than Scott Sinclair has done in the past few years. Anyway, pointless arguing over a possible signing and a possibly not.

22 Jun 2016 15:11:24
As long as whoever comes in does a good job then I'll be happy. Elyounoussi would fit more into the mould of buy low, develop and sell high whereas Sinclair would require the type of money that we've criticised the board for not spending in the past. I'd be happy with either.

22 Jun 2016 16:42:17
Aye but we don't just want to p! sh money down the pan willy nilly either kev. If we're going to break the wage structure, is SS really the player worth doing it for? I'm assuming there he's on more than 30k a week. Is BR the right guy to be in charge of transfers? Why did Liverpool set up this committee we keep hearing of? I'm glad we've stumped up cash for BR. But then again I think of all the suggestions being made a month or so ago and wonder who we could have brought in. There were loads of suggestions - some great, some not so great. But I don't remember BR being proposed by many off the top of my head. I'll give him a chance no doubt, but i'm not getting head over heels and diving off a cliff with the other lemmings just yet. And I'm not going to get excited by a player simply because he's been playing in the BPL. I haven't seen a huge amount of ME admittedly, I've seen enough of both though, but I really am struggling to think what people have seen of SS either, and doubting how much I've seen of ME would suggest people have seen less, so aren't really in a position to compare the two. That's not a dig at you there. Like I said though, it's all pie in the sky stuff atm.