Celtic Banter Archive January 22 2014

22 Jan 2014 23:01:37
Just seen Rhodes scoring record on tv for Huddersfield & Blackburn knew he was a goalscorer but that's impressive, Lawell write the cheque. Chris30

22 Jan 2014 23:20:12
Definately agree with you mate. if there is 6 million about to get a striker then would rather it went on rhodes (fits the bill as he is young, scottish, and most importantly a goal scorer)

i know people will say finnbogasson again and i'm sure he would be great but players in that league have scored more and not cut it in britain

It is so obvious to everyone that Rhodes is the player we need, yet we are being linked to Fletcher (who was garbage tonight BTW) for similar cash!
Rhodes gives us everything we need in a front man especially goals galore and we will still be able to make a profit IF he was to move on in a few years.

JJ

If Rhodes is what we need how come Gordon Strachan doesn't pick him to start for Scotland. I am not saying he isn't a decent player, looked good what little I have seen of him but I am sure I could put together a montage of Sammy and he would look like a cross between Ronaldo and Messi. Ask yourself if he is such a good player why have none of the premier league boys come in for him. They seem to grab the boys from Burnley etc really quickly but don't make a move for Rhodes, maybe has found his level and if that's the case then he is no good for us as we need someone who can step up in Europe. I am not saying he wouldn't be a good signing just playing devils advocate.

22 Jan 2014 18:50:58
Hey Ed a question, can Celtic insert a buy out clause on a player like other clubs do to thier players? Don't think we have ever used it but with van dyk for ex, if we say he has a 30mill buy out as he is a superstar then would we not get more money then a regular transfer. Do this to our top players that we bring in like the benfica kid we are linked to so that we are not always lacking true value cause of our league. This could be a better stratagy to the buy low sell high as we will get most value from our players. What's your thought and is this possible? Cheers

{Ed007's Note - This is a horribly complex area but I'll try and explain briefly the best I cam. The "buy out" clause is legally binding between a club and a player. The "buy out" is effectively what it says - a means for the player to buy himself out of the contract. As an example, if a player wishes to buy himself out of a contract, he pays the applicable FA the amount of the "buy out" clause effectively becoming a free agent. The problem is that in most cases a player would need to obtain that money from the buying club - and this is fraught with issues regarding "tapping up" and, of course, taxation as it can be seen as income for the player and would therefore be subject to income tax. This was how Man Utd's attempt to sign Ander Herrera was structured during the summer.

A "release clause" is far more common in that it gives a figure that the club would accept for the sale of a player to another club - but it is not legally binding. These are normally unreasonably high figures (Hulk when he was at Porto for example) introduced to act as a deterrent for hostile bids - and even then the club could easily block a move. An example being the case of Edison Cavani during the summer where two offers were made that matched or equated to his then "release clause" but Napoli did not sell at that price and went on to sell Cavani for £70m.

There is then the becoming popular "termination clause" which is binding between the player and the club and if met would see an offer from anywhere accepted and the player given the opportunity to make a call on a move. This overcomes the issues associated with "buy out" clauses as the money would be paid by one club to another.

The main motivation behind having release fee for a player is to give the player some flexibility in case the player is interested in joining another club but the his club is not willing to sell. Having a release clause fee avoids some sort of modern "slavery" and gives players a way out of a unfavourable situation.

From another point of view, it's also a way for the clubs to show roughly how much they value a player. So imagine Lionel Messi and Barcelona; the release fee is around £215M. That's of course an absurd amount of money for a single player, but what that essentially means is that Barcelona FC values Lionel Messi to the level that he's practically invaluable.

Obviously minimum release fee has some benefits for the player, and to an extent to the club to protect their rights with investment on a player. However more often than not, a club would not be willing to have a minimum release clause on a contract, since not every player is as loyal as Messi, i.e. a player might get frustrated if a club had the minimum release fee to an absurd amount. Some leagues, e.g. La Liga, mandate for all player contracts to have a minimum release fee clause. In other leagues it happens to varying degree.}

Cheers Ed, think we will do anything like it? With top epl clubs looking at van dyk or future players(ie the wanyama's) and show interest we should put in buy out or wtv clause stating how much we value them so they know not to mess us around and start with decent bids. Then again with the league we play in they may think it is not close to value and just skip over, which is dumb cause talent is talent. But when it comes to van dyk you can see the class and star player he is so think when it is a player like him we should let all know that he is our top prize and clubs need to cash up and if we do, the clubs may take notice that the player is special. Sort of Put a franchise player tag on him

{Ed007's Note - Fraser Forster's agent wanted to put a clause in his contract that if an EPL club bid £4m for him the club would need to accept it but PL was having none of it, that was the hold up in him signing for us permanently in 2012. I don't think it would be a good idea for us to go down that route, what if Wanyama had say a £5m release clause, initially you think it's good business for a player who cost £900k but look how it turned out for us. A player at CFC won't sign a contract that has a clause releasing him for say £15m unless he is going to be on crazy wages and the club don't set them low incase they end up being stung (Henrik Larsson from Feyenoord??) by having a lower clause than the player would be worth in the open market. I'm a great believer that when it comes to transfer fees a player is worth exactly what another club will pay for them. Just as a side note, everything in the garden isn't exactly rosy between Barcelona and Messi and hasn't been for some time, there is a chance he could leave the Nou Camp either this summer or next.}

23 Jan 2014 16:47:55
Ed. I know Messi has had issues with one of the directors at the club but that is having no effect on the football side. I cannot see him leaving unless he is forced out the door and Barca fans would get rid of the director before they would do that.

Lionel Messi has reiterated that he wants to end his career at Barcelona, insisting he hopes to be at Camp Nou "forever."

http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1623220/lionel-messi-wants-barcelona-forever?cc=5739

{Ed007's Note - It's strange then that people representing him held talks with Man City in the summer then isn't it?}

Back with guardiola at bayern munich?

GerryBhoy

{Ed007's Note - I'm sure they would be interested if he becomes available.}

22 Jan 2014 10:31:02
I think we should take a chance on Stevie May he's very direct, fast and knows where the goal is. I know some will mention about needing a european class striker but May is still young and if you don't get to test yourself at that level you will never know if u are that level.
Would be a cheaper option tha Griffiths and without the off-field antics.

What do my fellow Bhoys think?

SC

Hes done well, no doubt about that, but I think unless we get and established goal scorer then any money spent on a striker ill be a waste of money as we have plenty in the not yet proven bracket. Hail Hail.
TamTimTic

I'd rather see Stevie May come in than Griffiths or Fletcher.

Every season there are a couple of players that batter in the goals in the SPL and in the old days when there was a Rangers, there would have been a race to sign them to stop the other from doing so.
Since Rangers died, we have not been tempted into this (eg Griffiths, Russell, Higdon and now May) as we have enough about us to win the SPL with what we have and Sevco can't compete in that transfer budget.
I think we should continue to look out with Scotland at players who can go right in at CL level for now, as most of the talent in Scotland don't have European experience and our other clubs have been awful in Europe.

JJ

Stevie May has scored 65 goals in 96 games in the last 3 years Stokes 35 in 104 I know who I would have. May is 21 compared to Lassad, Bangura, Miku, Balde, Pukki has scored lots more This is a no brainer
John

Stevie May's stats have been outstanding this season, he's scored in every competition he's played in from domestic, to Europe, to International level - 16 in 23 Scottish Premiership games, 1 in 3 Europa League qualifiying games, 1 in 1 Scottish Cup game, 2 in 2 League Cup games and 1 in 4 European u21 Championship qualifiers. All in he's started 29 games with 5 sub appearances, scored 21, assisted 9, been booked once with no sendings off!

22 Jan 2014 17:37:54
Not disagreeing May looks a good player and prospect but if were gony give a young scot a chance as a striker ad start with Watt, if he can't cut it or won't toe the line then punt him but give him the chance as a striker not out wide

Havnt noticed may when we play him so if he dosent trouble us in the league how can he trouble top euro clubs and players? Might be good but not for cl

@7 Have you noticed any attacking player standout against us in the league the past 18 months?

22 Jan 2014 07:56:59
I'd like to see a proper old fashioned pinstripe on like the late 70 early 80's. White with green pinstripe and green shorts.
Dan

Double breasted with a pair of spats and a fedora hat? Just joshing but I think I prefer white with green hoops for the home kit and Green with white hoops for the away kit. Boring old fart see. Sopotcelt.

The 1991-92 away kit, seems to reflect Sevco's stock exchange history of late.

22 Jan 2014 02:21:42
I want to raise a topic to think about and see what peoples opinion is, so here goes! Our captian Scott Brown come this summer, is going to have 1 year remaining on his contract, and he will be 29 (not saying that's old!). we all know that he has has issues with his hip and let us down badly in the champions league with his suspension. I am a fan of how he holds celtic together in midfield and you could see that the team was weaker without him, however I believe we need to move on from Broonie to allow other players time to grow. do you think we should offload him next summer or do you think a new contract is the way to go for him? I feel after his suspension in CL this season he will be watched closely by refs next season in the CL and cautioned for breathing.

{Ed007's Note - Whoa....easy there tiger!!!!

No. A bit of loyalty my friend.

22 Jan 2014 07:33:30
New contract for me, if Ledley and sammy are away we can't really be letting another of our experienced players go. He made a mistake in Europe plenty have surely we got to move on from that now. His hip problem doesn't seem to have bothered him this season. 29 doesn't seem to old these days either players are fitter and playing longer.
Plus he knows what it means to be playing for celtic being from Scotland and always give his all.

I am not Browns biggest fan, as I feel he should have added a lot more goals to his game and can be an easy target for referees and wind-up merchants (CL is an example).
On saying that, he does make a difference when he is in the team and is the captain for a reason.
Under Lennon we have sometimes lacked experience on the park when we need it and we need to keep him.

JJ

Brown could be a celtic legend he's stated youd have to be off hid nut to leave celtic I for one like brown carefull what yous wish for troops he knows adzactly wit it means to pull the hoops on

Let's get rid of Commons, Forster and Virgil too aye?

I can't see Brown leaving. One of my favourite players and as poster above said "he knows what it means to pull hoops on"

Broonies top notch with fire in his belly and a decent guy off the park silly question next mm

Oh no! He's not beyond criticism but we'd struggle to replace him and what he brings to the team.