Celtic Banter Archive November 21 2014

 

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21 Nov 2014 23:22:52
Ed any chance you could post a total of MON transfer fees for players in and transfers out? trying to settle a debate with rayman

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{Ed007's Note - I'll sort something out tomorrow.}

Here you go, and thanks to Deep River Bhoy and Kev T for the information they sent in.

2000-01
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IN:

Chris Sutton £6,000,000
Joos Valgaeren £3,800,000
Alan Thompson £2,750,000
Didier Agathe £ 50,000
Rab Douglas £1,200,000
Neil Lennon £5,750,000
Ramon Vega Loan
Troy Douglin Loan


OUT:

Mark Viduka £6,000,000
Vidar Riseth £ 975,000
Rafael Scheidt Loan
Mark Burchill Loan
Paul Shields Loan
Eyal Berkovic Loan
Brian McColligan Loan
Barry John Corr Loan
Liam Keogh Loan
Marc Rieper Released


2001-02
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IN:

John Hartson £6,000,000
Dianbobo Balde Free
Momo Sylla £ 400,000
Steve Guppy £ 700,000


OUT:

Alan Stubbs Free
Tommy Johnson Free
Stephane Mahe Free
Mark Burchil £1,000,000
Eyal Berkovic £1,500,000


2002-03
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IN:
Magnus Hedman £1,000,000
Ulrik Laursen £1,500,000
David Fenandez £1,000,000


OUT:

Dimitri Kharine Free Transfer
Olivier Tébily £ 700,000


2003-04
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IN:

Michael Gray Loan
Stephen Pearson £ 400,000


OUT:

David Fernández Loan
Bobby Petta Loan
Steve Guppy Free
Stephen Crainey £1,300,000


2004-2005
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IN:

Jacob Lensky Bosman
Henri Camara Loan
Juninho Bosman
Kjartan Finnbogason Undisclosed
Teddy Bjarnason Undisclosed
Stéphane Henchoz Bosman
Craig Bellamy Loan


OUT:

Henrik Larsson Bosman
Liam Miller Bosman
Jamie Smith Bosman
Bobby Petta Released
Kevin McBride Undisclosed
Juninho Bosman

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Cheers ed

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Quite a familiar scene there. When we were at our strongest we stopped building . Similar to two years ago after the Barca game

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Your point DN?

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Just clarifying issue that you seem to think Martin O'Neil spent more £ than Lennon on transfer fees. Again you have been exposed rayman as telling lies

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I think you would be better looking at what we have just now rather than look at petty point scoring over 2 managers that currently have nothing to do with us anymore. It's also pointless comparing ronny to Lennon you should just judge each on their own ability and performances etc

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Jim this is a debate that has been going on for a while. Its a banter page remember

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So what's your banter about 2 managers years apart in totally different financial eras?

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See if you took the time to look at a thread futher down page you would of got the jist of argument.

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@ DN I still don't get your point mate, 1- who was talking about transfer fees? 2- What has this got to do with NL being inexperienced? You said NL should never have got the job as he was inexperienced.Your theory is he should never have got the job because of this. Your words not mine. I have no idea what NL spent on transfers and I don't care, but I bet he never paid out on wages what Bellamy was getting. This is about an inexperienced manager getting us to last 16 that an experienced and highly rated manager cudnt.

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@DN you love to tell people they tell lies, where do you get this from? Its like playground stuff mate. Grow up I was giving an opinion. how can an opinion be tellin lies, I have no idea what MON spent compared to NL.It has been well documented MON had a huge budget at the time, and the wages were astronomical and if you know anything about finance its not only the transfer fee that's the cost the wages probably double that durin the course of the contact.NL buys were prob on half these guys wages but you never thought of that did you.

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Well what is the clarification?did mon spend more than nl or not?

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It doesn't really matter as MON got to keep his players if he wanted and NL had to sell his best players. If dn30 can't see the big picture on that then he is kidding himself on.

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Rayman in previous thread it was you who brought MON into debate by slandering his management campaigns in europe stating that he couldn't get us into last 16 with his experience but you were quite content to disregard MON taking Club to UEFA Cup Final. Yes, Lennon took us to last 16 ONCE but what about the other 3 campaigns?

You then mention budgets and finance in this bizarre comparison you have instigated. If you knew anything about finance, then it would be obvious that back then we had no choice but to have inflated budgets due to strong competition in league due to that mobs tax evasion exploits.

All MON transfer dealings I have requested to be posted to highlight the fact, apart from first season in charge with this in mind was only significant spend season in his reign. Approx after ins/out about -£19m in fees invested and yes salaries on top of that.

Point is although salaries have decreased to a max £25k at the moment, with the amount of transfer money wasted and potential wastage from last season can't be that much of a difference

You go on about playground stuff, seems to be a different policy when you are dishing it out. See if you can't take the heat, get out the kitchen.

Jim1972 ah all bow before the super supporter. Your right, in fact your always right

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You been found out Dn yet again. "cant be much of a difference" are you havin a laff MON spent much more than NL. Nobody would debate MON had a much better team yet he cudnt do it. Stop tryin to deflect the issue yet again. You said NL should never have got the job that what this debate is about. YOU just can't recognise despite all his faults NL done a decent job with limited budget and did what MON cudnt. Why is getting to Uefa league final such a major achievement but last 16 isn't. I say again to you where would Celtic be now without all the CL money NL generated.

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Found out again? The facts are listed at start of this thread! Total spent on fees was less than Lennon and before you start, I'm not talking about fees recieved from transfers out the club!

Rayman I'm just blanking your replies to any threads. Clearly you are senile if you think Lennon done a decent job. As I have previously posted, apart from last 16 one season, he was abysmal in the other 3 competitions. I notice how you have totally disregarded fact that WGS on a similar budget done last 16 twice. All the best hope you get well soon

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Good because all you talk is utter tosh, again putting word in my mouth as usual. Where did I slander MON tenure? You always go off in a different direction when you been found out. Even getting ed to put up transfer fees when it had nothing to do with it. Again this was about an inexperienced manager doing what an experienced manager cudnt. I think you will find many many supporters thought NL did a good job esp considrin it was his 1st job.

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{Ed007's Note - And I think you'll find just as many supporters who don't think NL did a good job considering there was no Rangers for the last two years of his tenure. 2 cups out of a possible 9 is not acceptable for a CFC manager, if it wasn't NL he would have been hunted after the lose to Kilmarnock in the LC.
You'll probably find that 100% of Stromsgodset supporters were delighted with the job RD done in his first job, there weren't many of them celebrating him leaving Norway.}

Stromgodset fans might be happy with rd but I doubt you'll find too many people leaving celtic park on a regular basis saying we played well and enjoyed the game. Yes it's a results business and he is getting them now but the standard of play will never attract the ex season ticket holders back.

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{Ed007's Note - I doubt we'll ever get any worse than the football that drove them away.}

If rangers don't come back next season and performances don't pick up I can only see a further decline in attendances sadly. The club aren't doing enough to keep season ticket holders happy as already this season there has been several special offers to non season ticket holders with bogof offers

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Ed his european record apart from last 16 season was abysmal. First season we got knocked out CL qualifier by Braga, then Europa league qualifier by Utercht. Next season we got back into Europa League by default after Sion fiasco. Yet some people still persist that everything was alright cause he reached last 16.

The argument some have that he made club a lot of money from transfer fees is another thing. If you estimate revenue recieved from his euro campaigns and add it to transfer fees pulled in by lennon, he hasn't pulled in anything significantly more than WGS

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Both MO'N and N.L. are now history as far as been Managers of Celtic . Both bought great success to Celtic at two very different financial situations in our history . We should thank both and move on to our present situation and future times .

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21 Nov 2014 22:34:56
Note to Ed: please excuse my ignorance
I see that Pl has now agreed to the Living wage at CFC.
Is there a chance that CFc still have Zero hr contracts within our staff.?

Thx

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{Ed007's Note - There is still zero-hour contracts, it's only full-time permanent staff who will be paid the Living Wage. It's not something I really know too much about bud, I took a step back from it a while ago for one reason or another.}

21 Nov 2014 20:12:55
Yeh I agree bhoys, Kayal straight swap seems the obvious way to go. I hope commons stays to, whatever anyone thinks of him he has been a bargain at 300k and despite having no pace he is a far more dangerous player than the loan signing wingers we have. I know his position is in the center but with Yohanson playing so well there I would try him on the left, Forrest on the right. I see Lustig is out injured again for a few weeks, the big chap is going to get a reputation to rival Forrest and Mathews soon.

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21 Nov 2014 20:06:52
Guys, since I believe CL football is vital these days and RD has said he will do everything to make us successful what about this. Cancel end of season break for players as there is no major competition on. We keep them in work over summer training, playing odd game and have plenty of time working on things instead of having to rush them in and cram in games to get them up to speed only to be told they not "match fit"yet.Just makes more sense to me, and assuming we qualify then players could get time off later in the year ad hoc so to speak.I know there is no guarantee it would work but at least we would be better prepared for it as it always seems to me the opposition are better prepared than us if not better (see karagandy/marigor).I know this goes against the grain to players but players are now fitter than ever and are vastly paid and if they any ambition they would see the benefits.Or is this just cloud cuckoo land.

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In the ideal world of a supporter this would be a reasonable sacrifice for the players to give up one summers break to concentrate on achieving qualification for Europe's elite football competition.

But in the real world and seeing it from an employees perspective I think it would be asking a little too much.

I know what my answer would be if my boss asked me to forgo my holidays to improve their stature.

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Crazy mate. Muscles need rest to repair themselves, constant working them would result in minor injuries become worse as the season progressed. In the times we won the league with plenty to spare we should have sent our big players on holiday, hopefully we can do so this year.

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Well fingers crossed if the new regime does what it says on the tin the added fitness to our team will prevent that from happening!? Hopefully have the squad back maybe not as fit has half way through a season but certainly fitter and better prepared mentally that previous season beginings

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I get your point GJ but I not sayin don't give them a holiday I sayin at a different time of year.My idea would be april and December for example. I just can't understand why we such slow starters in the league when we have played 6 major competitive games (CL qualifiers) when the rest of the league generally haven't. If we stayed fitter at that time of year we would have a major advantage on rest of SPFL teams from the start and blow them away early. Means come November/December time we not just startin to pull away but we already 10 points clear for example.And as you know that means the league done dusted then. Not only can we rest players and send on hols but it so much easier to plan for next season as the pressure is off. Not only that but the youth would now be given a chance to see if they good enough.I think its more important to be at our peak in the summer now as that when our most important games are.

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Can we send our better players on holidays when the league is won, if we are still in the Cup. Could we cause some ill feeling with International managers who would want our players for competitive Int . Games .
Would our International players want a holiday before their Intnationals .

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21 Nov 2014 19:21:23
Markie I think a straight swap kayal for broonie would be best option with commons on bench maybe coming on for Johansen later on .got a wee boost with broonie signing on and hope big peter gets an early negotiation start for guidetti. looks like club have made final offer to commons as they say balls in his court so the lads got a bit to think about but I hope he stays as he's a fine footballer and a good ambassador for the club

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21 Nov 2014 18:49:25
Well done Celtic on the living wage rethink and big peters right politicians should be doing more to have this implemented across Scotland and Britain .only giving government and council contracts to those employers who pay the living wage would go a long way to stopping poverty wages

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21 Nov 2014 18:15:48
Who replaces Broony on Saturday chaps? Commons maybe with Yohanson moving back into the holding role? Or the more likely straight swap with kayal or Biton? Either of the first 2 for me I'm not impressed with Biton and still hold out a glimmer of hope that Kayal will find some of the form he had in his first season. It would also be a good time to bring Henderson back into the first team picture. Markie

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Not a game to play Henderson for me Hartley has his team well organised and Clarkson is on a run. I would like to see kayal in, he looks pretty sharp when he's come on. Tricky game though and I would hope we get a decent crowd.

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21 Nov 2014 16:32:47
Thanks to everyone who campaigned for the staff to get the Living Wage.The staff are very happy.Ed, can you pass on my thanks to Jeanette please, very much appreciate all she did for us.

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About time but welcome, fair play to them.

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Glad to see that at least the perm employee's are going to get the wage rise what concern's me is the statement that they are going to talk to the employee's about it why? are they hoping some people will say "pay rise to a reasonable standard nah am good on 6.50 an hour but thank's for offering"

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JB I spoke to Jeanette and passed on your thanks, she also said:

'We are not there yet but I hope it makes a wee difference for some people right away.'

It's not as if you didn't do your bit to help, JB. (clap)

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