Celtic Banter Archive July 21 2012

 

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21 Jul 2012 23:37:05
After tonight's performance I know there is going to be a bit of panic, but then again we could be worrying about a trip to east fife. I know we need a good cb, but I trust the gaffer and believe we will make the group stages.

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21 Jul 2012 21:35:33
Friendly game or not. Our board are an absolute disgrace: Willing to take in money for glamour friendlies but unwilling to invest money in the team and a total lack of ambition in order to achieve Champions League progression. We quite obviously
need 2 Centre Backs, 1 creative attacking Central Midfielder and 1 target man Striker. "We will only invest if we get into the Champions League" hmmmmm imagine if the fans said "We will only invest in a season ticket if we get into the Champions League". Loyalty is a two way street Lawwell and you are playing a dangerous game here.

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The only player worthy of a pass mark was our goalkeeper. Cmon boys put your backs into it.

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21 Jul 2012 21:32:00
What a lot of doom and gloom, over a training match. Ok poor result, but I suspect our bhoys have been putting in double sessions all week, plus players like Mathews and Izziguirre were playing their first match. It may even do some good, Lennon will now know better who he can trust for Champions League and who knows maybe Lawwell will loosen the purse strings and let Neil sign a big centre half.
Anyway, ask yourselves this, would you rather we got beat in all pre season friendlies but then started winning when it really matters.
I am hoping pride will now see our players perform as we know they can. hail hail Timalloy

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21 Jul 2012 21:10:58
It's only pre-season, it's only a friendly blah blah blah....... We are so far looking disgraceful, being beaten and held by amateur teams and humiliated by teams we should be competing against even at this stage. I'm down south for a family party at themoment and the abuse and ridicule from English fans is unreal. They see us as a laughing stock and no better than a conference team. I argued the point all day long but after that find it hard to look at them. Im being humiliated right now and it looks unfortunately like the same could happen tp our team in the coming weeks.

A very, very worried bhoy

Gary

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Gary I was in Amsterdam earlier and the Ajax fans were laughing at us. I class myself as a huge fan Of P Lawell and Neil Lennon however I feel they are taking us the fans for a ride. We need to spend money now. Even if we dont make the champions league this year it would give any new signings a year to settle. As we all know we should be there next year.

Hoopey67 (bit drunk)

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21 Jul 2012 20:50:24
people talk about it being a meaningless pre season friendly but i for one disagree . we are 9 days away from our champions league qual and not only where we out played but we had no direction of play .

I'm not shouting about sacking lennon but who ever coaches our defence . you may say we had the best defence in scotland last year . But we are playing teams who are afraid to attack us and sit back and counter . we will be in big trouble when we play teams willing to attack us like tonight.

watching that game tonight was like Ajax v Celtic Ladies team , well thats who i thought was playing .

Embarrassed is the word to use after that game. everyone saying it's pre season . Lennon stated every player was giving a fitness program to work to on the off season so they could hit the game running . well it's not worked .

celtic where out played in all area's tonight

I can't think of anything good to say about tonight's match apart from it only finished 4-0.

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C'mon,you're doing our ladies a disservice there.They aren't too bad actually.

Jungle Bhoy.

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21 Jul 2012 20:29:00
calm down a good cb an well be sorted! bri67

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21 Jul 2012 20:01:33
Hi Ed, People say friendlies are just that and the main goal is to get the fitness levels up. That may be the case but tonight was unacceptable. i am not calling for Lennons head or anything of that nature but we desperately need a solid intimidating centre half and a target man up front. Lawell is saying we will not go crazy in the market unless we reach the CL group stages and it does make sense with what has happened at Ibrox. Saying that as much as people are saying Helsinki should be within our reach I am worried we make the same mistake we have the last few seasons. I think a centre half at least is a must before the Helsinki game - what are your thoughts Ed? {Ed007's Note - I usually agree with looking at pre-season as more about fitness and team gelling/bonding, but I would have expected the players to raise their game against a team of Ajax calibre. The fitness should be getting there now and there is no new faces that requires settling in and getting to know his team-mates. It was overall a very poor performance.}

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21 Jul 2012 19:55:00
i know it was only a friendly but that is possibly the worst i have seen us play since Lennon took over

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No conclusions can be drawn from this match except that the players are closer to fitness. Not pleasant watching Celts go down 4-0 but its meaningless.
Yorkiebhoy.

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Celtic were a shambles tonight there are players on the park who should have been moved over the close season. Some don't fight for the shirt or are not good enough. The board and management have not done there job over this period and that must be questioned have they been using the Rangers fiasco as an excuse. Only a successful season will keep the fans coming in. I mean in Europe as well as at home. Last year wasn't the great season it could have been, and that was down to players and management with little changes this time around.
Bobby

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21 Jul 2012 19:54:03
Truly bloody tragic. Ajax made 9 replacements and at one point the commentator said that this was their second stream. Never mind buying new players, buy the coach who got the 20 Ajax players to a pre season fitness level that we would be lucky to be at half way through our season.

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21 Jul 2012 19:42:56
'Heh Heh Heh, It's Chick Young and I'm a cheeky wee chappy and everyones favourite pundit'.
So the cracks are beginning to show bhoys eh?
Listen if you's fancy a wee confidence boost after yur wee jaunt to Germany how dae yez no no ask ma two teams furra wee game this week.
The Sainties are free on Monday, and the mighty Gers are free from Wednesday onwards. Wait a minute,wait a minute...
Sorry bhoy's ah've just noticed the score.. 4-O tae Ajax! Ya wee beauty...ehh...ah mean that's a shame.

Eh..what wiz ah sayin?...oh aye... gonna play us, cos ma two wee diddy teams need a wee pick me up as well. Look ahl tell em to go easy on ye till ye's get a big centur haulf in.

Chico-two-scarves. -aka P.O.B.

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Sorry wee chico, we'll stick to playing top class opposition thanks....we have got europe to prepare for remember?

now toddle along to kielty park, wherever that is:)


taco

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I suppose it was to be expected the sevco watchers would escape their dark basement for a bit of vicarious voyeuristic pleasure. The fact that you are reduced to getting pleasure from another team losing a training match is intensely amusing. Div 3 awaits.
Yorkiebhoy.

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21 Jul 2012 19:39:40
Alright Ed ?

We'll see all the its only a pre season friendly comments from the usual suspects. Its not even the strongest Ajax side thats playing and the are totally making Celtic look poor. ( remember folks - its also Ajax pre season to build fitness ) . Lawell aint daft , he knows we will not be in the latter stage of any Euro contest, hence wont spend a penny. Its another domestic season only for this squad and a poor domestic season it will be.

Hate to say, the only way Celtic will ever go forward is if a British league is created.

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And you are a celtic fan ? What a load of crap.
Yorkiebhoy.

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21 Jul 2012 19:37:45
forget fitness levels and all the rest of the pre season pish that gets floated about - 3 s**tty performances against 3 s**tty german teams and completely outclassed by an under strength Ajax. We need investment and we need it quick or we are always going to be a below avarage team! if we dont make it to champs league, this will be the most boring season ever and even if we make it with this squad, we will be out of EUROPE before chritmas! Hopeless!

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You should at least wait a bit between your troll posts so they don't go on one after the other.
Yorkiebhoy.

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21 Jul 2012 19:30:11
That s a disgrace Friendly or not the whole team hasn't got a clue from top to bottom that's all from the Manager and the coaching staff This is Embarrassing to watch than x for ruining my sat night . and don't tell me its a Friendly................

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21 Jul 2012 19:26:17
what an utter shambolic performance this is.we have barely created anything and have been cut open at will.yeah i know its a friendly but weve got a qualifier in two weeks and havent addressed the woeful defence or added anything creative.if we get past helsinki on this evidence id be very worried.maybe im being a bit over the top but our inactivity may cost us very dear.would you agree ed?

MK BHY {Ed007's Note - The defence has been shown up yet again, we need someone in their who can organise them, and play using his brain as well as brawn.}

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21 Jul 2012 19:25:10
I know it's a pre season friendly but f*** sake Celtic this has been horrible, a Blind guy even just scored for Ajax now. If this isn't enough of a sign that we need a quality centre back I suppose getting put out the champions league again will be our near future bhoys!
Nickybhoy

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21 Jul 2012 18:58:07
Whilst pre season games usually mean very little to me,having just watched the first half of the Ajax game i do feel bitterly disappointed.In forty five minutes we have not managed a shot,on or off target,and struggled to put together any passing movements worth mentioning.I remain baffled as to how so many European players seem so far ahead of us in technique and speed of thought.Ajax are five yards quicker than us in their game awareness,passing and moving at every opportunity,while we still seem to be hitting thirty and forty yard passes to isolated forwards.Biggest let downs for me: Forrest,brown,stokes and hooper,but really has anyone earned pass marks?Lets see how things pan out second half,but i feel Lenny might be in for a rough ride here.............green jhedi

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21 Jul 2012 18:56:20
Just watched the first half of the Ajax game. We are woeful all over the park. Izzy get totally humped with no help from anyone. Need to really up our game if we are to beat HJK. Friendly or not we have to do better than this first half performance.Hbhoy

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21 Jul 2012 18:54:29
You know what winds me up the most. I cant stand being well beaten at 5-a-sides. How can players be so spineless and stand and watch teams show them up like that. I mean you dont have to be getting stuck in but get in theyre faces, work hard and press them hard. Ajax arent even a great team yet we are making them look like barcelona. And again why when teams like Stuttgart Kickers, Augsburg and now Ajax want to be putting tackles in and roughing up our strikers are we not giving some back. I would be stripping the paint off the walls in that dressing room at half time. Embarrassing and worrying 45 mins of football.

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21 Jul 2012 18:41:33
a really fear fir our team in these champions league qualifiers coz we look utter p1sh against ajax n a dont care aboot that aw its a friendly dont read inty it sh1te as celtic fans we want a performance no matter wit team its against or if its competitive ir no and if we irny buying unless we git inty the champions league proper then al say we irny buyin then coz we irny gittin thru wae this team


gunniebhoy

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21 Jul 2012 18:39:10
3 0 down in half hour. Friendly or not familiar story with a slow start away from home. Who knows, may be a blessing in disguise

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21 Jul 2012 18:36:23
just watched the first 25min of the ajax game that defence is still a joke ,, Get it sorted lennon

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21 Jul 2012 18:33:42
Why are we playing these "glamour" friendlies? Its pointless we just get beat and it knocks all the players, we should be playing diddy teams so we can actually win and get some confidence

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21 Jul 2012 18:33:00
This game is a disgrace.We need defenders Lawwell BEFORE the qualifier so get your cash out or kiss goodbye to the Champ Lge.

Jungle Bhoy.

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21 Jul 2012 18:31:53
our defendin this 1st half against an under strength ajax team is a complete shambles no chance ae progressin anywer in the champions league wae this team


gunniebhoy

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21 Jul 2012 18:31:17
I hope Peter Lawwell is watching this closely. And dont gimme any b*llocks about friendlies and fitness. We are heading for a slaughtering in europe if we dont buy a centre half.

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21 Jul 2012 18:30:17
Anyone got something positive to say?
I like the strips
Nevis

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I dont.if we look like celtic,we play like celtic.hoops should be worn at every opportunity.artybhoy

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21 Jul 2012 16:45:12
Found this worth a read,Cut and paste job but puts it in laymans terms for those who fail to understand the wrong doings of Rangers.

Why Rangers must lose their titles
With the prospect finally upon us of the SPL acting to correct the record where Rangers won titles during the EBT years, there has been, very much in keeping with this whole story, the expected flurry of denial, delusion and disinformation.

I've written previously about the need to distinguish between punishment and redress in considering this issue. While the ignorance of a significant rump of angry, partial, blindly loyal Rangers fans is no real surprise, the failure of the mainstream media, yet again, to report the facts in an accurate and responsible fashion is truly unforgivable. Indeed, learning nothing from their repeated humiliations on this story, the tabloid press has yet again chosen to sow outrage and vitriol among its readership rather than to inform and explain.
Given the amount of misunderstanding out there, whether innocent or wilful, I've decided to pull together what I hope is a useful summary of why Rangers must lose their titles.

Q. Why are Rangers in any danger of being stripped of trophies at all?

The allegation is that Rangers, by paying a significant portion of player's wages tax-free through the infamous Employee Benefit Trusts (EBTs), did not declare the full value of their player'scontractual earnings to the SFA as is a requirement of player registration rules. Therefore, any player whose full contractual earnings had not been declared to the SFA was improperly registered and ineligible to play in any match.

BBC Scotland;s Mark Daly reported that between 2001 and 2010, Rangers paid almost £48m into EBTs, with 63 players among the beneficiaries.

Since it is well established that fielding an ineligible player, even unintentionally, results in forfeiture of that match, and since it is likely that Rangers fielded several ineligible players in possibly every match for a decade, Rangers were awarded trophies while breaking one of the most fundamental rules of football.

Q. But EBTs are for discretionary loans, so why are you saying they were contractual earnings?

The BBC reported seeing evidence that 53 Rangers players and staff had "side-letters" promising that the club would place agreed funds at agreed times into their EBTs for withdrawal. The Scottish Sun has also published a redacted copy of one such letter. Such a letter can be regarded as a "second contract", as it binds the club into making the promised payments rendering EBT loans contractual earnings and not discretionary.

It is entirely understandable why players and their agents would have demanded such legally binding contractual guarantees that payments would be forthcoming to the values agreed. Remember, many of these players would have been asked to sign an "official", tax-paying contract worth much less than the salary they had agreed, and could have received from another club. EBT payments had to be made contractual to give the players comfort that they were not being scammed, but these "second contract's" had to be kept secret from the SFA or else tax would have to be paid on those earnings.

It is understood that none of these side-letters and the payments they guaranteed to the players were disclosed to the SFA, in breach of player registration rules.

To argue that the payments were not related to their playing for Rangers seems futile as it must be asked why else these football players would be receiving money from the club. It is also worth noting that there have been no reports of any players repaying their "loans".

Q. So why are you so sure the EBT payments were not declared to the SFA and the players properly registered?

The whole point of Rangers' use of EBTs to pay players was to avoid paying tax. The contract lodged with the SFA as part of a player's registration clearly outlines his contractual earnings, earnings upon which tax must be paid at the appropriate rate.

So it is impossible to both give a player tax-free payments from an EBT and properly register his full contractual earnings with the SFA. Either tax must be paid in full, or part of his earnings must be kept secret from the SFA, breaking registration rules. It appears Rangers chose the latter.

Q. But Rangers didn't keep their use of EBTs secret; in fact, they openly declared it in their annual accounts!

While Rangers did indeed state the total amount the club paid into EBTs in their annual accounts, this has no bearing whatsoever on their player's registrations. For much of this period, EBTs did legitimately, albeit immorally, exploit a legal loophole which facilitated tax-free payments to employees.

So while the annual report stated that the club used EBTs, it said nothing about how they were used, who the beneficiaries were or how much each received.

Q.So you admit EBTs were legal! Lots of companies used them!

The legality or otherwise of how Rangers used EBTs is to be ruled upon by the First Tier Tribunal (Tax). Given the existence of the side-letters, it is difficult to find an informed person who believes Rangers' use of EBTs kept within the legal loophole the scheme was designed to exploit, ie making non-contractual, discretionary loans.

However, the question of whether or not Rangers broke the law of the land is separate to the issue of player registration. If Rangers made payments to players which were not declared to the SFA, then quite simply that player was improperly registered and ineligible to play.

Q. But nothing has been proven regarding the supposed improper registration!

The SPL instructed Harper McLeod to investigate whether or not Rangers had a case to answer regarding this. Despite an apparent policy of non-cooperation by the club's administrators, Harper McLeod were eventually able to establish a prima facie case.

It is not yet clear whether Rangers have any basis on which to rebut the evidence already gathered or to contest the case. Given the report in Wednesday's Daily Record, it is possible that Rangers and Sevco have been asked to simply confirm that ineligible players were played throughout the decade in question in order to save the SPL the time and expense of further investigation of what may well prove an irrefutable case.

Q. OK, let's just imagine you're right, what does it matter? You're obsessing about an administrative technicality. They won the trophies fair and square on the pitch.

This argument completely misses the point. Rangers obtained a significant competitive advantage for a decade because their payment of tax-free wages allowed them to sign players they could not otherwise have afforded.

Let's imagine, and these figures are purely illustrative, that Rangers offer a highly prized player an annual salary of £1.2m after tax. Paying him "normally" means that his gross salary would have been just over £2m. However, by paying a chunk of his wages through an EBT, Rangers only actually spend £1.5m, a very significant saving of £500,000 per year.

So while a club in England, or maybe even Glasgow, might have potentially offered the same player a gross salary of say £1.9m, because they would pay the full tax, his take-home pay would be less than the £1.2m on the table from Rangers. So by avoiding tax, Rangers could outbid rival clubs with offers that actually cost less to the club than what others were bidding.

Imagine ten players with a similar contractual arrangement, and you're looking at a very tidy saving of £5m per year. The actual exact amounts saved by Rangers in this fashion should become clear when the Tribunal publishes its findings.

Q. But the fans knew nothing about this! You can't punish the fans for the "sins of previous regimes".

This again misses the point. Whatever else David Murray did, he wasn't pocketing the money saved by paying players through EBTs. The money saved was spent on more players so that Rangers had an artificially strong team on the park; a team the club quite simply could not afford if they paid their tax in full.

Considering that Rangers' five SPL titles during the period it is believed players had EBTs were won by narrow margins ranging from 1 goal to 6 points, it is entirely reasonable to conclude that the extra funds freed up by avoiding tax and spent on additional players gave the team that narrow competitive edge which made the difference between winning and second place.

If proven that Rangers fielded improperly registered players, these victories enjoyed by the players and fans were won by breaking the rules. Whether the players and fans knew it or not, and no matter how much it upsets them, these titles must be stripped from Rangers.

Q. The SFA and SPL are really to blame! If Rangers were fielding ineligible players, why didn't they spot it and act upon it?

The performance of the SFA and SPL has been far from impressive throughout this scandal. There must be serious concern that some senior figures within the SFA and SPL structures must have known about Rangers' irregular registration arrangements but chose to turn a blind eye to it until the club's financial collapse forced their hand.

However, the need for an inquiry into the operation of the SFA does nothing to mitigate the fact that the blame lies entirely with Rangers for any details of contractual payments they wilfully withheld from the SFA. It is no defence or mitigation for any criminal to argue that the police should have caught him earlier.

Q   This is all academic anyway. Rangers is a newco and can't be punished for what the oldco did.

It's amusing that many Rangers fans seem to switch between insisting that their club's history continues unbroken on the one hand, and distancing themselves from the "oldco" (ie Rangers FC) when it suits.

In any case, it is an irrelevant argument in this context as the stripping of titles won by breaking the rules has nothing to do with punishment. It is all about redress (as I have discussed previously). Whether Rangers is alive, dead or in limbo, the historical record must be corrected.


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All good points Briggs. The part about some members of SPL and SFA most likely being aware of the duel contracts and turning a blind eye to them.Hope Mrs E reads at least that part of your post. Sadly, I think the beeks work for whoever influences the most money. We all know that Rangers are not that club anymore
VHSS

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Cracking post Briggs. Clears the muddy water a bit. They would never have won 9 in a row so the sooner the cheats are stripped of the titles the better. Ask any angry bear, was it worth losing your club to scrape winning the league during this time?

BigRab

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That's fine then ..we 'll just take this post as gospel and save legal fees and any other investigations . You can't be judge , jury and executioner . There is a right to reply.
Go dig some of other peoples journalism on
web..it is most certainly not your own work .

Luvgers {Ed007's Note - Maybe that's why he said he found it and thought it was worth a read......cut and paste job......Just a thought. At least try RTFP before replying to them.}

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You really need to keep away from that Wordpress site Briggsy.
The host is a disqualified lawyer,and encourages anti RFC guest bloggers.
Everything on there needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.
P.O.B.

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VHSS...you're not seriously suggesting the SFA & SPL knew about the 'duel contract' situation and turned a blind eye then had the red neck to send in Harper MacLeod to investigate this ? Mrs E

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Mrs E.. Not all but yes, I do believe certain members did know. We must remember, it's not as if we're talking about a couple of seasons here. If we were, I'd say it might be possible to plead ignorant. No, we're talking 10 seasons at least. No way a club get's away with it for that long without somebody in the SPL/SFA knowing. Before you start calling me a conspiracy theorist, I'm not. Logic just seems to dictate that a blind eye or two were turned. VHSS

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I suppose Stewart Regan did replace Gordon Smith..is this what you're getting at VHSS ?

However, I do not believe from one minute Stewart Regan is any kind of puppet for Peter Lawwell and have seen absolutely no evidence of this. For all the talk of the transfer embargo being unlawful, in my opinion this was very lenient and completely stupid of Rangers to challenge it given the alternatives. Mrs E

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Mrs E... I'm not questioning punishments that have been handed down or any further punishments should they come. I'm questioning the way SFA and the SPL have handled things. It stinks every bit as much as turning a blind eye to duel contracts. " Meet the new boss...same as the old boss ". Anywho, my opinion alone will not change things and like you said on an earlier post....it's time I moved on to different conversation.
VHSS

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21 Jul 2012 16:39:30
Ed.........you are a knowledgable chap on these matters....and I apologise if this has been asked before.......but here goes....

Can Sevco Govan FC call themselves Rangers or The Rangers or do they have to have a new name that is totally different?

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy {Ed007's Note - Under insolvency law it is illegal to attempt to pass yourself off as a liquidated company.}

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21 Jul 2012 16:23:42
Hey edd just back from holidays with wife n kids been catching up on the site.
Firstly would like to start by expressing my deepast condolances to the reyna family words couldent even touch what they must be feeling.
I was also sad to hear of fellow posters despairs & your own edd 007.
My father died 6 years ago when I was 22 after a 6 month battle with osphogis (spelling) cancer he got septacimia n that was that.
I found it hard going to celtic parmk by myself ynwa just finishes me.
Now i am taking my children who never new their papa I always know he their.
I hope everybody finds peace with their despairs.
On football front iam not to concerned at lack of transfers although I would like most else like a proven cb.
Iam not to concerned with strikers as the longer a partnership goes the better I beleive they will feed of each other what I seen of bangura last season he had a good touch good hold up power just for me never got the amount of games to get match fit n sharp.
I beleive commons will be as good as a new signing & will play with the swagger why we signed him origianly.
For me theirs alot of talent in the youth at celtic the club is harvesting a crop of players that will be up to standerd.
The boss n board will take care of everything less stressin about targets the mentioned are no mugs.patience is a vertue.
The euro draw was ok helsinki no mugs looked at stats seem a consistant side well organized they dont ship many goals either.we will have to be on our toes still I think we should get threw.
Fortnight today till ko canny wait.
Chin up guys.
NDP83 {Ed007's Note - Thanks mate and welcome back. I hope you had a nice holiday.}

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21 Jul 2012 15:08:30
Please sombody tell me match is online tonite! Cant stand the wait to see the bhoys get goin. blast these darn breaks! deebhoy

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21 Jul 2012 08:46:24
Hi ed how are you mate, just got a question for you about newco, i see that there membership has been transeferred from oldco to newco so does that mean they would still be liable for the big tax case? Or has that been dealt with? With all the goings on ive completely lost track. Also when are the media going to stop calling them rangers?

Thanks,

Robbhoy {Ed007's Note - HMRC are planning to go after individuals responsible for the oldco's financial affairs in recent years.}

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Ed, I really hope that is the case.
VHSS

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21 Jul 2012 13:16:51
ed what are your thoughts on a big man like heskey ? {Ed007's Note - He was never any good and now he is too old as well.}

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Would rather Dion Dublin back than him lol

Mikey Bhoy

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21 Jul 2012 11:55:53
ed , you know how you start to worry if you dont see your neighbours for a wee while, you look to see if their milk, papers, mail are not lying at the front door. i'm starting to get that feeling about a couple of our regulars.. i'm starting to miss eveinguu, i like to take a couple of hours reading one of his/her posts , they always put me to sleep, is he on holiday? . and wee pat , i take a couple of hours reading his as well { because they are so difficult to read} is he doin a stretch in the bar l.. just asking cause neither has been on for a while.. shamrock {Ed007's Note - I don't know where they are Shamrock, they might be on holiday as you say.}

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ED007, Shamrock as you know I am not one to er indulge in gossip, cough cough, but was it not today that Wee Pat and Mrs E were having a wee jaunt to Saltcoats and to a bare skuddy beach....
Timalloy

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21 Jul 2012 11:44:53
Anyone think McFadden will sign? Bryzo

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21 Jul 2012 09:58:23
Good morning. As a Rangers man I just wanted to come on and ask you all how you feel now? Is it a satisfying feeling having no old firm anymore, was the jelly as tasty as you believed it to be? Im not trying to wind anyone up I just remember when Celtic were in financial difficulties and wishing and praying you would go bust and I just want to know is it as good as I thought it would be? You see my problem is this, with Rangers gone you are no longer even linked with quality players as we all know your board won't spend a penny, and rightly so! If you don't qualify for CL group stages what then, I mean the SPL was crap enough with us in it never mind now. I honestly am excited to be playing in the third and it would seem the media are as well. How long before new rules are brought in by the other SPL teams regarding wage caps, share of money and other changes to make the league fairer to all? As I say I don't want to wind anyone up and have apologised repeatedly on here and everywhere else for the disgrace Rangers have caused you and the rest of Scottish football. Strip the titles I say if the rules were not followed properly but the reality is to the media here and around the world Scottish football is Glasgow Rangers and thats not going to change no matter what division we are in.

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And your point is what? Sopot Celt

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Ba

Thanks for that, my beloved Essendon got smacked last night, needed a cheer up.

GoldCoastBhoy

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I think you'll find there's not a team called glasgow rangers anymore and the ex glasgow rangers were only known because of there bigoted fans, failing to pay there taxs and debts to just about anyone who dealt with them and yes the jelly and ice cream was even better than i thought it would be.
davy
ps:enjoy peterhead,east stirling, annan etc etc

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"I mean the SPL was crap enough with us in it never mind now" and you're excited about playing in the 3rd division?
OMFG what statements these are. how the fook can you be excited about playing in the 3rd? do you not understand how terrible that division is?
i can honestly say that i'm LOVING every single minute of all the nonsense that your former team is getting. i'm also laughin my fookin head off readin how the majority of your old teams fans are sayin how they will be at every game, wait and see, that means a sell out every game but you'll be lucky to be gettin 15000 after xmas.
fat sally isnt the man to bring you back either. he is the one that MIGHT get you out the 3rd division, but does he have the ability to buy players just now to get you to the top of division 2 before you can buy players again?
wake up and smell the coffee now wee man and see that you're still a deluded chap.
frankiebhoy

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So are you saying it is Celtic and our fans fault that there is no old firm games? have you been paying attention? you are trying to wind us up because you ask STUPID and POINTLESS questions. it is your DEAD club that not only robbed regular people of money and memories and yes the best derby game in the world, yet you come on here and say how it feels. well how does it feel knowing your legends brought an end to your club and made it look even worse then it was, but I'm sure you still love DM.

you can't say sorry and then wind us up by saying no quality player will come....well the fact is we don't have much debt unlike some other club that is 132mill will it be? we can sign players if we want to and most likely will but if not thats fine because our players are real talent and is worth more then your club(1-2 players are more then your club ouch!). enjoy watching your club down there but we all know that your will be paying attention to Celtic more and would most likely come on here to wind us up if we lose but the fact is our club is ALIVE and WELL and is only moving forward and we look forward to matches with Inter,Ajax, CL, Europa league clubs while your just die out. At least you know your club is a DISGRACE and you will see that everyone will be better off with out your corrupt club even though the spl and sfa media are all trying to help you out.
we are happy because we are CELTIC and will always BE and unlike you fans we follow through and through without hate, yes we may not sign big players but we haven't in recent years anyways because we have a new business plan and seems to work well cause we could easily get 10-15mill for 2 players so enjoy tuning in to see us play and entertain you in CL and spl. WE are more then just a club and we will help lead Scottish football into a new and better league after your club held it hostage for far too long and making it worse then what it could have been.
geezz these people will never learn or change will they? they come on here to gloat that they are happy and can't wait for div 3 with there new club....anyone else think they are lying to themselves now? but at least they are thinking for themselves and not letting DM or the media run them and feeding them the lies.

LETS GO CELTIC! Ajax, Inter,CL,spl lets get behind them as always because we know we might not sign people but we have a killer team already and all that changed in just 1-2 years, so lets not get mad if no one comes in cause we must let the board handle things and once things calm down I'm sure we will be doing business at least we know the all around the world we are loved and liked and respected that is why we get matches against the big clubs in europe so we must be doing something right. get behind the club and give them a chance to figure things out and how to deal with the new spl and I'm positive they will be doing things to make us even better.

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When are your mob going to realise that all your "punishments" are a consequence of your dodgy financial actions. You haven't been punished yet! The only real punishment is a fine which I will bet my car on, you haven't paid yet. The transfer ban was a blatant cop out by the SFA as the only other options were suspension or expulsion. Now we hear the transfer ban starts on Sep 1st. How bloody convenient for your lot to get your signings in before it starts, which I highly doubt you will as you are skint! The very thought of newco signing players while their creditors get heehaw is quite frankly, disgusting. The in-fighting between you all is probably going to bankrupt you again. So to your OP, yes, I loved my Jelly and Ice Cream, but I am really going to enjoy my seconds!

BigRab {Ed007's Note - Are any Sevco fans not upset that money they donated to the RFFF was used to contest the embargo in court? They were all cheering about how the judge ruled it illegal but now their club has accepted an illegal punishment while wasting money and risking the wrath of UEFA by fighting it.}

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We accept that punishment is down to our clubs dodgy financial actions. We're just upset by what appears to be the SPL making up punishments whenever they feel like it. All we're asking is for them to give us our punishments, stick to them and quit moving the goalposts.
VHSS

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The jelly and ice cream tastes as good as we thought it would, if not better. Unfortunately it isn't a taste that will be experienced by fans of Sevco Govan FC for the foreseeable future!

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

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Away you go Bob Dylan "How does it feeeeeeeeeeeeeel?"
Hmm let me see, it's....LIKE THE 'WORLD-WITHOUT-NEDS' EPISODE IN STILL GAME!

TaTaRP.

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ChrisBhoy... If you guy's keep eating that stuff there'll only be room for 30,000 at Parkhead...lol.
VHSS

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21 Jul 2012 00:44:03
Whats with all the negativity? Whatever happened to 'Keep The Faith' bhoys and ghirls? Yes we may be short on centre backs but going into a game against anyone, never mind HJK, I would be very confident with a back four of Mathews, Rogne, Mulgrew and Izzaguire...especially with grafters like Ledley, Broonie, Wanyama and Kayal in front of them. Lets do what we do best and get right behind the bhoys and we'll do just fine! Come On You Bhoys In Green!

Mikey Bhoy

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21 Jul 2012 00:20:54
Some may recognise the tune lol

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuzLvBuxxfo&feature=youtu.be

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20 Jul 2012 23:57:27
hi ed lets hope nl has a plan and pl backs him how can the past 3 managers not address the CB ISSUE we need a stand out cb if it happens i think we could do very well in europe especially at CP. PS GREAT CL DRAW NO MUGS THOU eh?

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Totally agree,this has gone on for too long and saps confidence in the rest of the team when the rest of the team have to worry about what's going on behind them,good goalie,solid defence allows the midfield and forwards to play with confidence and flair,definite psychological advantage

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