Celtic Banter Archive February 21 2019

 

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21 Feb 2019 21:19:51
Unlucky form the lads tonight. Big improvement from the first leg. Some big performances especially from Hayes and big Jozo (best game I've seen him play in 2 years) . Without wanting to slag the guy off I'm really disappointed with the performances of Edouard of late. Whilst I think he has some great attributes as a striker for me he rarely delivers. Not got a great work rate and to be quite honest he doesn't look overly interested. Let me ask you this Bhoys when big Eddie is either in the starting 11 or coming off the bench, are you confident he's going to make a difference or like me just hopeful. I hope the big man kicks on in the last part of the season. Anyway our European journey is over for another year and like most years it's been a rollercoaster. On now to the domestic run in and the opportunity of a treble treble. This is how it feels to be Celtic 🍀. God bless lads.

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21 Feb 2019 22:09:55
It's been a hard time for Edouard since injury trying to get into the squad while our loan players were doing well.

He's still young and plenty to learn.

Better performance tonight but clear we still need quality added.

Also clear is that we can compete in Europe it we get our gameplan correct.

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21 Feb 2019 22:42:37
You would think our most expensive signing would be a dead-cert start and I know he has been injured before the break and has found it difficult to get back into a winning team. However, when he has come on recently we haven't seen any of his attributes and especially goals, we know he is capable of; probably because he has zero confidence and momentum to build on.

I think BR is struggling to fit him into the team at present because he isn't an out and out striker as such and Burke has caught the managers eye with his pace/ directness; but competition is good and
I am sure his time will come and a wee run in the side will help.

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21 Feb 2019 23:51:04
I think the problem is he is thought of as Dembele's replacement and he's not that type of player. The plan was to play Dembele and Edouard together but Dembele ruined that.

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22 Feb 2019 00:54:30
People forget we buy young guys with potential. £9 mil for a 20 year old is nothing in todays football.

He will come good. He has lots to learn and will be inconsistent.

As will most young guys we sign regardless of price.

That's why we need experience.

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22 Feb 2019 01:09:33
He's the black samaras.

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22 Feb 2019 01:22:24
Samaras is our highest goalscorer in champions League proper along with Sutton.

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22 Feb 2019 01:52:53
Edouard is more effective playing on the left for me.

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22 Feb 2019 07:13:26
Telsa it's not often we sing far the same hymn sheet but I think your spot on here.

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22 Feb 2019 07:42:15
At least Edouard does not smell of fags tho.

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22 Feb 2019 09:58:05
I think Edouard as looked good and sharp when he has come of the bench.
He will get better with more game time. The potential is there and if think he will get better with age and experience.

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22 Feb 2019 11:01:11
As I say kev, I'm always just realistic. Say it as I see it even if it's no all positive about Celtic.

Like people say we can't attract ready made players anymore but then expect young projects we sign to play well every week, it's ridiculous.

You can't have your cake and eat it by signing guys who only recently turn professional basically and give them the same expectations as the guys we used to have here at Celtic.

Consistency at higher levels will always drop here under this method.

Financially we pay 62 mil a year on wages. We could easily with a smaller squad give 30-50k a year wages on more experienced players.

Right now we mostly give between 10-20k wages apart from a few players.

We are hoarding players and projects most of which won't work and wasting money.

People think to bring in better players will cost us more. It actually will cost us the same when we stop paying 3 squads worth of players.

At no extra cost we could have a better squad altogether. The reason this doesn't happen?

Because we want a revolving door of buy and sell here and decent players like say Ajer would take years to break into a first team with 2 quality CBs. Which would be good for his development.

But the board can't sell them if they don't break in and build a reputation.

Crazy imo because if we work with a better squad we can make champions League 40mil instead of gambling on it so often and losing it like this year.

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21 Feb 2019 20:21:28
Long time reader of the page, but first time poster, what a job all you eds do, just want to say the boys done an amazing job tonight playing that amount of time down to ten men, a lot of positives for me, but now let's concentrate on getting number 8 in style.

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{Ed007's Note - Cheers mate and welcome aboard.}

21 Feb 2019 20:42:55
As well as we played - and it was a huge improvement from the first leg - with a good few terrific personal performances. It again highlighted what we need in Europe is a quality finisher to put away one or two of chances we create.
It's obvious we need to cut out the mistakes and lapses at the back that we have seen a lot this season, but a real goal threat gives us a chance whenever, like tonight the defense/ goalie do very well.

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21 Feb 2019 20:46:07
Didn't get to see the game tonight because of the early kickoff but judging by the comments here and the fact that it produced a first time poster it must have been a cracker. Welcome jamo881 and as you say now we can concentrate on the league and cup for another treble. Hail Hail.

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21 Feb 2019 21:12:49
I’ve heard a few comments over the last few months suggesting we’re not improving but I have to disagree. It’s not a massive improvement but I believe we are getting better in Europe. Like everyone else, I’d love to see us go out and put some of these teams to the sword but I don’t think we can ever expect realistically to do that. It disappoints me that we are being marginalised by UEFA and will probably have to settle for EL in future but, if we continue to show small improvements, we can maybe start making last 16 or better which under the current fixing of the whole European set up is probably is good as it will get for us.

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21 Feb 2019 20:17:26
Tie was lost last week unfortunately. However very proud of the team tonight. Unlucky to go down to 10 in first half. If it had stayed 11 v 11 who knows but hopefully we've learned some lessons to take into the qualifying rounds and hopefully further next season.

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22 Feb 2019 08:41:30
if had stayed 11 v 11 who knows? all that would have happened is valencia would have come out of 1st gear. they were in training mode.

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21 Feb 2019 20:13:29
Oh well, one of the main things this team needs to learn is we need consistency when it comes to Europe, we can’t afford one bad leg or these teams punish us. We played well tonight, move on Bhoys we have another 🏆🏆🏆 to win. ☘️.

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21 Feb 2019 20:11:16
Absolutely gutted tonight thought we got our tacticts spot on tonight and but for a poor sending off who knows what might of been but a great night in Europe although disappointing we are out.

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21 Feb 2019 19:52:25
Lot of positives from that game. Rodgers got his tactics spot on but a soft second yellow changed things when we were the better side. Defence played well especially Ajer who gave everything. Bain for me is now our present and future no.1. Showed the same shot stopping abilities as Gordon. Such a pity we gifted them the tie with such a poor home performance.

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21 Feb 2019 20:03:30
Bain was tremendous so were the back 4 but maybe need to mix it up on sun.

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21 Feb 2019 20:18:51
I think we should be starting with Ajer and Simunovic every game until the end if the season. Those qualifiers will come around before we get a new centre half in so let's build a partnership now.

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21 Feb 2019 19:50:23
Disappointing in the end as we probably expected but I honestly can't fault any of the players (except Toljan who was supposed to make the difference in Europe but in a different way) . Personally I feel very proud tonight because they could have crumbled but held their own really well and were only caught out by a terrific goal which was understandable with ten men. The damage was done last week but tonight was much more like it.

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21 Feb 2019 19:26:24
Hayes has played ok tonight, but I cannot wait for Tierney to be back. His influence can never be underestimated. I genuinely believe if he had been fit it would have been a different game altogether. Even after the first leg.

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21 Feb 2019 19:49:09
Thought hayes had a great game and worked his socks off Burke has a lot to learn when on the ball and for a former midfielder ajers finishing is terrible the ref done us tonight no doubt about it but overall the whole team played well broony and McGregor were outstanding.

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21 Feb 2019 20:04:43
Hayes has been solid in recent weeks and looks to be playing with a passion others have lacked at times this season. Even if Tierney was at the top of his game he wouldn't have made a difference in the home game - the rest of the team didn't turn up.

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21 Feb 2019 20:20:09
Johnny Hayes has probably played himself into the manager and supporters good-books recently and will avoid the axe poised over a good few heads in the summer.

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21 Feb 2019 21:16:06
Thought Hayes was a lot better than ok tonight. I wonder if he could do it as a right back cos Toljan hasn’t been great in the last two games.

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21 Feb 2019 18:57:54
Up until the sending off which was debatable we were the better team and the team that looked most likely to score. The frustrating part is why couldn't we have played like that in the last game. It shows that we can compete if we get our game plan and formation spot on.

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21 Feb 2019 18:35:16
How in the name of God was that a second yellow?

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21 Feb 2019 18:40:15
Because that ref is a complete tool.

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21 Feb 2019 18:46:05
Started so well too. Never a foul never mind a yellow 😐.

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21 Feb 2019 18:53:22
Absolute joke never 2 yellows appalling decision.

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21 Feb 2019 18:54:14
Got to disagree with Hartson and McDonald never a booking.

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21 Feb 2019 18:59:04
Is the ref Scottish 😂😂😂😂.

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21 Feb 2019 19:40:41
It was accidental, Toljan didn't even know the Valencia player was there. Surely the ref could have just gave a free kick to Valencia.

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22 Feb 2019 09:58:47
With regards to Toljan’s two yellow cards thought they were on the soft side, Brown wins the ball and has his jersey pulled foul no card, Forrest lobs the Valencia player and is taken out foul no card, Edouard skins the player on the edge of the box and fouled from behind no card, for whatever reason we never seem to get any breaks from officials In Europe, not using that as an excuse the tie was finished last week just an observation. oldkilly.

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21 Feb 2019 16:48:51
We're playing 3 at the back by looks of it.

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21 Feb 2019 16:53:09
Big game for Burke again. Question marks over him as a striker at this sort of level for me. Hope he answers them. Surprised to see Sinclair on the bench too.

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21 Feb 2019 17:01:22
Actually annoyed at the line up.
Always the same team only he's taken out an attacker for a defender. no happy like.

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21 Feb 2019 17:16:06
Well it'll allow Hayes and Toljan a bit more freedom Bhoyo. But that same question mark is over Hayes too. Not having a recognised striker on the field is the thing that's been annoying me.

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21 Feb 2019 15:06:07
Nice to see Craig Levein backing the call for refs who don't support Rangers (I know he said OF but we all know they are mainly Rangers) .

Hopefully, more clubs get on board as this the first step, along with making refs confess the club they support and making sure they don't ref a game involving their club.

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21 Feb 2019 15:49:50
Raw I don’t get this getting them to say what team they support they can say any team willy nilly.

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21 Feb 2019 16:50:23
The trouble is Refs are usually interested in football. And most people from Scotland interested in football, support one of the two. So that probably doesn't leave many unless you wanted the same couple of refs for every Celtic or Rangers game. This is where the idea of foreign Refs comes in. That, and the fact that the standard, like players, is generally low due to a small population. But would we be getting the best Italian, German etc Refs or would they be occupied with their own FAs?

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21 Feb 2019 17:03:28
Are we going to ask them what school they went to next? Jeez give this " cheating conspiracy stop the 10 campaign" blabbering a rest it's getting embarrassing!

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21 Feb 2019 17:25:00
I'm with ypu on that Malky, but just discussing the prospect of possible declarations like in England or Germany. In an ideal world it would be a safeguard, I'm not sure Scotland would have the pool necessary to implement it though. No cheating in my eyes, just a poor standard.

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21 Feb 2019 17:46:03
IMO it should just be about comparability a programme that they say they have in place already but we all know it's not working if a referee gets a decision badly wrong demote him to the bottom league and let him work his way back up and bring a referee from a lower league up like a relegation promotion system one goes up one goes down.

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21 Feb 2019 18:45:37
The sheer number of top flight officials who are Rangers fans indicates that there is a "prima facie" case to answer for cheating in the SFA. Unless offcourse you think that Rangers' fans make better referees than those of any other team?

Even if we ignore that fact, we cannot ignore the phenomenon known as "ingroup bias", which is the reason refs should have to declare their allegiances and not be allowed to referee a match involving their own team.

For those who don't know, psychologists have proven that members of a particular group exhibit bias towards other members of their group and this happens both consiously and sub-consiously. Therefore, how can it be right for a Rangers fan to referee a game involving Rangers, especially if it is against Celtic?

Moving on, if we go down the same route as England and stop refs being officials at games involving their own team, then we also need to have a rule that states you will have permanent expulsion if you are later found to support a different team than the one you declared as this would prove you set out to cheat.

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21 Feb 2019 11:44:30
As most on here know I place regular bets on any games involving the new club, my bets are a penalty in game, an ordering off or Morelos/ Jack to be booked. I have made money this season from these bets, as it is almost guaranteed one or more of the bets will come in.
But what I am finding, online anyway, is a BIG RELUCTANCE of the bigger bookies to even OFFER these bets Sly is one of the worst offenders. I managed to get my ordering off bet on (at reduced odds) but Sly would NOT offer me bets on penalties or bookings. I guess they have taken a big big hit on these bets.

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21 Feb 2019 15:59:53
Fredo and jack both had 3 fouls each last night and not a single booking for sevco.
Killie had only 4 fouls against them for the whole team yet they get a yellow and red.

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21 Feb 2019 09:15:04
Absolutely disguisting scenes from the Valencian police talk about heavy handed! Something has to be done about that they are just leathering fans for nothing!

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21 Feb 2019 09:52:35
Someone I work with told me the exact same this morning, he has a mate over at the game.

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21 Feb 2019 12:08:12
My bhoys over and he says he saw a lot of violence from the Spanish polis hitting people for nothing they've never recovered fae oldco in 72.

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{Ed007's Note - I don't know why anyone's surprised, the exact same happened in Vigo years ago when we were over there for the UEFA cup tie.}

21 Feb 2019 12:34:59
@Mally and ED007.
One of Mrs T's old friends married a Spanish policeman and we have visited a few times, his opinion of "British football fans" (all lumped in) is based on dealing with drunken idiots fighting all the time, he told us most Spanish policemen think like this. Even after Seville they are still edgy, they do not understand the difference between fans like ours drinking and singing loudly and hooligans, in his eyes any fan shouting or signing is a potential hooligan so they come down hard.
Let's be honest also, probably one or two of our idiot factions have stepped over the line, as much as we do not want to think of this ugly side.

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21 Feb 2019 15:11:17
Fair point Tim but some of the footage is just brutality seen a couple of tic fans getting cracked with the baton and they were innocently walking along a street.

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21 Feb 2019 15:51:46
A lot of woman getting lashed as well unreal.

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21 Feb 2019 16:17:03
Yes Mally, one of my girls sent me some photos and a short video. If police have attacked fans without reason, surely Celtic must complain to both the Spanish authorities and to UEFA. Heard also that a fans group are offering advice and legal help to any Celtic fan over there.

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21 Feb 2019 16:45:02
Seen that Tim av just txt the bhoy apparently the riot cops are tooled up outside Finnegans bar so expect more violence Celtic have to speak up on this.

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21 Feb 2019 07:43:08
I feel totally sympathetic towards Steve Clark, what he said was bang on.

The religious biggitory that exists in Scotland in the year 2019 is beyond farcical.
People are living in the bloody dark ages still!

I can still recall being screamed at as being a Fenian Barsteward, having to fun for my skin as my school was wedged between 2 protestant high schools.

One of the reasons I jumped at moving to Australia, so my kids wouldn't have to hear it.

By no way am I saying all our fans are squeeky clean.

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21 Feb 2019 09:02:19
Sadly, this is something we're never going to get rid of in my opinion. I live in the East, and wouldn't say for one minute it's as bad as what we see and hear over in the West. But it's there, and it does rear it's ugly head from time to time. I'm ex forces, and can recall being called fenian numerous times during my service. That was early 80s going into the 90s. I've been offshore 20 odd years and can still remember being asked " what fit do you kick wi" by a manager on first meeting. So it's there, and it's everywhere, and it will continue to be there. Where we, as Celtic supporters can help ourselves, is to concentrate on supporting the team, sing the "Celtic" songs, and don't give the media and "peepul" an excuse to question or run us down. Hail hail.

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21 Feb 2019 10:45:36
The funniest part is that these people pretend to be a Christian.

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21 Feb 2019 12:09:48
And some of our flock need to look at themselves the sectarian abuse handed out to big fat Kris was just as bad.

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21 Feb 2019 16:23:44
I grew up a leapar in my own family because I support Celtic. Didn’t even know what a fenian was aged 10 but got called it all the time by cousins, uncles etc.

My dad was questioned why he was ‘allowing’ me to behave in such a manner. Thankfully he didn’t care about football either way.

I’m not catholic, or even religious for that matter.

That’s just life in this part of the world, unfortunately.

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