Celtic Banter Archive September 20 2013

 

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20 Sep 2013 23:07:34
Think Lennon hits the nail on the head, celtic can't sign a proven champions league goalscorer. To sign 1 of them would cost millions. There's no guarantee finboggason or Rhodes could score in the champ league just because they score in there respective leagues.

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You never know they mite we can't stand still if hooper can then any one of those 2 could. don't forget Finn scored 2 against our cl opponents Ajax last month.ajw

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Chances are they prob would, but there not proven CL scorers and we just can't afford 1 of them. To me there's as much chance pukki being the goalscorer we need for half the price, he's as much chance as succeeding as Rhodes or Finboggason

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Typically speaking though, you tend to get what you pay for. Some of us would rather pay twice the money and have signed Finnbogason. Bottom line is he looks like twice the player to me. Most of the frustration stems from the money in to money out ratio, besides usual revenue and besides CL revenue. Sell Hooper for 6, replace him with Pukki for 3. Sell Wanyama for 12, replace him with Biton for 700k. Just doesn't add up enough for me. Could we not have stumped up another £4m for someone better? For the board, someone who is more likely to generate a better profit? The way I say it, and going back to getting what you pay for, if you can buy a player for £3m and sell him for £6m, how much could you sell on a player for if you bought him for £6m? The talent spotters we have can do their job, just think of the players we've signed, think of the players we've missed out on too though, through stubbornness or lack of ambition or balls. The whole "philosophy" of buying young, developing and selling on is utterly pointless unless the majority is reinvested into the team.

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Jimtim and how many spl players leave for over 6mill? Wake up and realize that if we by a 6mill player we may only make that money back or have it at a loss. Yes we could take a risk with one player like that but not every window.

And do you not think that maybe the guy they want is only available in the next window? Or maybe we will get fin for much less next wi Dow then last? You don't know what the board is thinking and how they are planning! They are planning on how to use the money so they formulate a plot, sothe money may not be spent right away. Sick of fans like you that as soon as money comes in we should spend half right away, you mention how good we are at finding talent well did you ever think that the guy we want would be in the next window or year?

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@4, let's just stick to Celtic, I couldn't give two hoots about other SPFL teams - so how many Celtic players leave for over £6m? Well, Wanyama, Hooper, Ki, McGeady and Petrov spring to my mind. So not too many but in fact, every decent player we've had, with age on his side and time on his contract go for those sort of figures. Apart from players we've made a small profit off, pretty much everybody else has been allowed to run down a contract or is over the hill. Plus you're missing my point about speculating to accumulate, we don't recieve so many 'big' fees for players because all we ever spend is peanuts. So that's that answered.

You're telling me to wake up but even you say that we could sign an 'expensive' player like that now and again, (i.e. when we receive a sizeable transfer fee perhaps?) so stop arguing with yourself before having a go at me.

You're "sick" of me? So I would have preferred us to have, and think we could have spent more money in the window - crucify me! I still remember being "assured" that most monies from sales would be invested back into the team.

Not even sure what your point is in the second paragraph but I just think overall you're missing my point about speculating to accumulate. Plus, more players left last season than came in, and with injuries we're already looking stretched and a bit jaded late on in games.

You're a bit lucky you even got a bite out of me but next time at least leave a name, otherwise your comments really are about as valuable to me as a sore winnet.

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Correct jimthetim, ., .kbarry

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I for one am 110% with JimTim's post (#5) from start to finish. Posted a similar thing after the Elfsborg 1st leg (think how long ago that feels now) and even with Pukki + Virgil looking good at SPFL level, and Biton still to play, I still feel we've been sold short.

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20 Sep 2013 20:19:46
Monkeyboy, an apt moniker reading the guff you post.
If ure going to accuse me of coming out with the drivel above prove it. At no point have I said anything of the like. I have voiced an opinion which is in line with several "serious" posters on this site.
On further reflection I apologise to all monkeys out there for derogatory comparisons.
Stevo dundee

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Stevo you've got tae question what age you are, what have I to prove? I just mentioned have u started your revolution which was on an earlier post (go back a page). You quite clearly don't think the board are doing a good enough job and that there ripping off celtic fans, so a put it to you could you do a better job?? Don't give them your money if there so bad.(in your earlier post)
Are you the man that decides what's rite on this sight? For every negative person like you on here there are 10 others that are happy with where celtic are today and where were going.
MonkeyBhoy {Ed007's Note - You seem to have logged out now.}

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Stevo dundee I agree with you mate! With him having "tae" question what age you are, he's a fool, ., .kbarry

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Surprise surprise K Barry the man who doesn't do name calling from behind a keyboard "fool" that's that post you wrote a lot of p*sh then.
As for "tae" a ain't pretending am something am not am "far" glasgow that's how a speak, sorry if that ain't up "tae" your standard.
Why don't use start up a negative celtic page for all use that aren't happy av spoke with plenty on here that seem to be . That way there's no need for our arguments

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Kbarry please stop the negativity mate and try and be a bit more positive. You might like it. Celtic can't afford to buy the players you want, its that simple. We lose around £9m per year without Sevco. Yes we have made the CL 2 years in a row and got the best part of £20m from transfers in that time but we can't just go out and spend that. That is the old Rangers blueprint for liquidation. Personally I think the magic of our great club is that we compete at the top level despite numerous restrictions, ie TV money. Our whole team on Wednesday cost half of the fee for Balotelli. We could spend £12m with Rangers did on Flo and as proven that gives you no guarantees and gets you no further. Man City spent £250 and didn't get out of the groups last year. let's get behind the new bhoys and unite and stop the bickering. In my own personal opinion the board of CFC are doing a tremendous job. We spend a lot of our money on scouting etc which is far more fruitful long term than spending £10m on one player. martyc1888

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Ok marty I understand, but as you say our team cost half of balotelli, we pay as much ticketwise as the top clubs bayern munich etc and yet still have to settle for 3/4th choice targets. I also understand some of our main targets may not want to come here. I also know we are being smothered in this league. And I also sometimes feel fleeced by the board. I have been at celtic before this board and hopefully i'll be at celtic long after they have been disbanded, I have celtic football club in me, ., .kbarry

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20 Sep 2013 18:10:59
Double O -do u have any update on the Mouyokolo situation? I only managed to see him once in the shirt and found him competent and rather impressive. Did he injure himself during a game or was it in training? And knowing you're not a surgeon, anticipating a pithy reply, what's the prognosis?
Cheers, keep up the great work please. {Ed007's Note - Mouyokolo ruptured his Achillles tendon in training. He returned to France for surgery and will be out for approx 6 months.
I will be surprised if we see him in a CFC shirt again unless he gets a few games at the tail-end of the season before he gets released next summer. That's just my own thoughts and opinion on what could pan out.}

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20 Sep 2013 19:54:27
Think I mite just have done it Ed {Ed007's Note - Well done!!!!}

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Haha al check am logged in every post from now on cheers {Ed007's Note - Spot on mate.}

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20 Sep 2013 14:29:26
Hello fellow tims after wednesday nights dissapointment is our next champs league game with the mighty Barca now a must win?. Or do you think we can afford to lose and still finish 2nd. I think this group will be a battle for 2nd between ourselfs milan and ajax as I expect Barca will win this group comfortably leaving 2nd place up for grabs. I think 9 points maybe even 8 could be enough to make the last 16. Davie C

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We will be in a battle for 3rd place with Ajax and we need to better their results as we did on Wednesday.
We would need to win our three home games to be in with a chance of second place and I think that is a big ask.
We are not as good as last season in important areas in my opinion.

JJ

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When the group was drawn, I said I would be delighted with the Europa League. Wednesday was hard to take, but in the light of it all it's probably the sort of result my brain (not my heart) was anticipating. I'd expect Milan to finish above us in second, and we'll be going head to head against Ajax, so they're the two 'must win' games for me.

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I expect us to come second if Lenny doesn't do stupid team selections and insane substitutions during games (never ever two subs at same time) hope he reads this.

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20 Sep 2013 14:07:59
After reading all the posts about Celtic's "disgraceful" result against former European champions AC Milan, I now urge all my fellow tims to boycott the remaining Champions League games and follow the exploits of Sevco in the Pawnbrokers cup.
As my Sevconian buddies keep assuring myself (and each other) they are still "enjoying their journey) who needs teams like Barcelona, AC Milan and Ajax when you could be watching Stenhousemuir, Forfar or Montrose.
Who wants to watch the Champions League games live on a Tuesday/Wednesday on Sky/STV when you can watch tv Alba show delayed Pawnbroker cup action after 10pm.
Yes my fellow tims the Pawnbroker cup has more prestige and prizemoney (£30 plus 5% discount at all Ramsden shops) what tournament would YOU rather be invoved in. Timalloy

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20 Sep 2013 12:22:25
So, if the daily rags are to be believed the zombies could be watching their deed team at our place if they beat another part time team. If this is true then it's purely a business decision that has to be made. I would be very carefull how we would word the contract to cover any damage and clean up bills that will inevitably happen when we let that bunch of toerags into our home. We need to know that these bills will be covered as I wouldn't trust the sevvies with anything to do with cash. Pesonally, I don't think we need the money and should tell them to go elsewhere politely.
This is all rumour at the moment as they might get beat before the final.

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BigRab you're right, infact I think they should send over any contract to you before signing to make sure its all covered.
I wouldn't too much about broken seats though, your own green brigade take care of that most home games.

Boy_Blue

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Ther won't be a rangers the 2nd by the time of the final from ther own admissions on ther rumors page ther as we say "ucked and will be out of business and in admin in less than five months, so rangers the third by this time next year then it's like a f""king shrek sequel, the English Tim

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@1 if you brake something in your own house u deal with it, if a zombie comes in2 your house and brakes something you blow the smelly c*unts head off.
Monkeybhoy

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No point sending me the contract blueboy, it would go straight on the fire if it was up to me.
Couldn't think of anything I would want less than to fill our European grade stadium with sevvies for a trampy cup.
Still, it's all part of this "fantastic journey" you lot keep going on about.

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20 Sep 2013 11:13:35
Our lack of quality up front cost us dearly against Milan. If we had a decent striker to aim for then we could and probably would have scored. But then, most of us knew this and have been saying it for some time.
Two unfortunate errors near the end didn't help either and the players who played put in a tremendous shift but when the quality isn't there then endeavour has it's limitations.

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

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Would say us playing in Scotland has its limitations for us in Europe, big money signings ain't interested
Monkeybhoy

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Chrisbhoy! Yep couldn't agree more my bestest buddy, that why I sometimes get annoyed with our people at the top. They really have to start listning to the(best in the world)fans. Not just on this site either as most of us have been shouting for finn or rhodes(who I believe would have been intrested) I know we can't sign 7/8m players, but considering the wonga we brought in, size of club we are and a CL side we could have 1 or 2. I don't want to end up like sevco5088 but that want happen signing 1 or 2 in that catagory, ., .kbarry

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ChrisBhoy, spot on mate. Anyone who has a footballing brain can see it. I had a k*ob on the banter page having a pop at me for daring to say that the board failed to deliver the right player in the correct timeframe to be ready for this campaign. The usual guff about spending too much and ending going of business p*sh. Some people just can't see the bigger picture. Stevo dundee

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Stevo you know started a revolution yet to oust our crooked board who keep stealing your money.
A think you could take over far Peter Lawell nae probs seen as he's doing such a crap job.
How much do you think you would pay for Rhodes? Baring in mind think he went to BBurn for bout 8m and has scored regularly since then, much wages do u think he gets?
Monkeybhoy

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We did very well for most of the game with only a couple of players below par, but basic crossing/final ball and finishing let us down badly.
Celtic are not the same team as last season and have not replaced Wanyama and Hooper with similar or better, but we have a good nucleus.
Yes, we did bring players in but we have lost momentum and experience in the CL and are on a cycle of nurturing and developing young talent that along with the SPFL gap in standard will always be an uphill struggle to compete in Europe.
I think the board regard qualification for the group stages as success and rely totally on the financial benefits.
Most older fans like myself are used to success on the field and find it frustrating we are there to apparently make up the numbers in the groups.
Maybe a run in the Europa League would give us a realistic chance of going one better than Seviile?

JJ

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Jj can't agree we have lost the experience. Hooper, wanyama, Wilson had no cl experience b4 last season . All remaining players now have more experience than last year, pukki and borigter both wer with CL teams last year dnt kno how much game time they got
Monkeybhoy

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MB; The fact that they gained that experience IN the Celtic team was what I was getting at and now they are missing. The likes of Biton, Virgil, Balde, Pukki and Boerighter have yet to establish themselves and are still relatively unknown quantities.

JJ

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20 Sep 2013 00:43:58
Hey ed .i know your a keen Man Utd fan or I'm lead to believe that, anyways can u tell me what's wrong with Danny welbeck as he's in my fantasy team and not even a sub (not just the fact they have rooney and rvp) cheers m8
Cha67 {Ed007's Note - Apart from being sh1te he is out injured just now with fluid on his knee. Why did you pick him? He must be one of the worst players I have ever seen in a Utd shirt, I really don't rate him at all.}

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