Celtic Banter Archive February 20 2015

 

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20 Feb 2015 19:22:10
Just saw wee Jay Beatty's goal of the month on the news. THAT would bring a tear to a glass eye. Goan yerself wee man!

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Rab was that the tv thing you seen. I was close myself mate. I heard today that it was accies who sorted that full day for the family. Flew him and his family payed for the hotel took him in to meet the players in the dressing rooms. Lovely stuff.

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Accies were amazing. I read tweets from the wee mans family and they really showed that they may be a small club but they have the class of any club in the game. Fair play to the fans of other clubs who voted and got into the spirit of the whole thing.Brilliant.

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20 Feb 2015 18:55:16
I see we are starting to get the posts from people saying that anyone who questioned Ronny Deila earlier in the season have got egg on their faces, or should get on bended knees and beg forgiveness.
I totally disagree.
When Ronny came to the club, he tried to dismantle a team that had won the league by 29 points last season. He brought in Berget, Tonev, Wakaso, Scepovic, Denayer, Guidetti and Gordon.
Out of those, only Denayer and Gordon have held down a regular starting place, the rest have been average at best.
People were coming on here at the start of the season and saying these players weren't good enough, they have been proved 100% correct. I don't see how they have egg on their faces, or need to apologise for that.
I am delighted with the way we are progressing, and Armstrong and Mackay-steven look very good additions to the team, but to suggest that Ronny has been proved right and everyone else was wrong is a nonsense.
It's a shame that when he took over, he didn't listen to people who thought we should just keep things ticking over and make changes gradually, if he had we might not have had such a poor start to the season.
It wasn't the fans who were wrong earlier in the season, it was Ronny.
Fair play to him though, now he's realised his errors, he is starting to do a really good job.

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100 % agree Gerry, though I now a big RD fan and love the way he got them playing now, these things take time and as I pointed out many times earlier in the season the CL qualifiers were not the time to do it.

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Yeah that is spot on IMO, RD said as much himself he did changed too much too soon

When he gave KC the new deal he said he learned in situ and there a better trust now between him and the players

Nothing wrong with a man in my eyes who makes a mistake and learns from it an is big enough to admit it in my eyes!

If we do go out next week not RD's fault IMO, as someone pointed out earlier from middle to front we are still relatively young and have most under good contracts

It would be really great and impressive if between now and the end of the season we concentrated on getting in TWO quality CH's for next season for forward planning purposes IMO push the boat out for a real good Bosman or 2 IMO

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A bit unfair to think people are looking for an apology, for me it was more that some were prepared to write him off so soon. As for the players, surely they were squad fillers?

He has had one window and we came out of it much stronger.Some people were saying he was Lawwells puppet, another theory shot down as he pushed for GMS and Armstrong to come in.

As for early season form, nothing to do with players, Broony said it took time to get their heads round the way he wanted us to play. All we are seeing now is a coach who wants to play the proper way and who has got his ideas through to his team.

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If you are a Celtic supporter you shouldn't be so reluctant to appreciate success. Some fans post and act as if they wanted Celtic to do badly.
It isn't great when fans look for the negative side instead of the positive side .

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Aye Gerryc a team that also crucially underperformed in all cup competitions.

How dare Ronny Deila tinker with a team he is in charge of

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DN30 He tinkered with the team and made it worse by bringing in inferior players. You obsess about under performing in cup competitions, yet his tinkering managed to get us knocked out of the Champions league qualifiers twice in the same season, how humiliating was that, we were a laughing stock
Since he has gone back largely to the players that were here already, our form has picked up. Well done to him for that.
Chris true supporters want what's best for their club, I don't under your view that if you disagree with anything the club says, then you are only focusing on the negatives, I take the opposite view, if you just accept anything the club says, then a lot of the time you are accepting mediocrity.
Fans invest a lot of time and money supporting our great club, if the club or the team get offended by supporters expressing an opinion, then it's them who have the problem
I have supported Celtic all my life, and I will be supporting them long after the current board, manager, and players have left the club, so it's ridiculous to suggest I want them to fail.

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This issue is nonsense, RD made terrible mistakes when he first came to the club and they were catastrophic consequences to them, he was rightfully criticised, no doubt about it. DN 30 is right he was entitled to make changes the problem was he made the wrong ones. The team is now looking really good and for every Celtic fans that is great, however there remains a question as to whether at a European level we can be solid enough. the game was fantastically exciting last night and should have made every fan proud, however we have now conceded 22 goals in Europe this season, I hope RD can address this

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21 Feb 2015 07:51:34
Ronny is the Manager and it's up to him the team selection, of course.

The fans will always have an opinion, if they didn't then sites like these would be redundant. For as long as I've went to the football, fans have always been vocal and I can only think folk who are saying 'egg on their face' lol are new to this.

Most of has been following Celtic for a long time, long before Ronny, Neil Lennon, Strachan, O'Neill etc were Managers - they all come and go, we don't.

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The points about RD are very good but the main point is the 22 goals lost in Europe in 11 games that is not good enough. CG needs competition 2 new centre halves and a left back to provide options to Issy.
When we clear the bad players in the summer we can bring in new blood. Zuluska, Ambrose, Rogic, Tonev, Wakaso, Boerrigter, all the players on loan + probably Denayer, Scepovic and Gudetti This would clear 14 wage packet and allow us to buy excellent talent. It is a pity we did not try for Steven Hendry when he was available in January

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Gerryc a team that also got pumped in all cup competitions as well. don't forget that. A team that was not the same as last season with no Forster or Samaras so tinkering had to be done.

Yes I do obsess about these competitions because a team the size and strenght of celtic compared to competitors should have performed a hell of a lot better. No excuses.

This is war cry we hear from uneducated fans who don't have ability to look outside the box- CL qualifiers against Maribor. You are aware that night we had no Brown, no forrest, no samaras and no forster? 4 key first team players from last season that night am I wrong? Only one loan signing was playing berget (granted he was a dud) and no £ invested. With this crucial point in mind who would of been your 11?

Im getting gist of what your saying. Deila should never have signed Guidetti, denayer, armstrong or mackay-steven and stuck with pukki, boerighter and balde. Players who have really impressed last season because they were part of a team who won league by 29 points last season and were out all cups by january

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21 Feb 2015 08:56:45
Also mind, Legia Warsaw 6 goals was big Fraser in goal not Gordon.

The only decent defensive display in Europe we've put on in recent times has been v Barca before the 6-1 but we we're already out.

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I know Mrs E your right. Forster was in goal.

I don't think there is one person who never wanted celtic to qualify for CL, especially having second bite at the cherry. The team fielded against Maribor was weak but there was limited choice as to who to play

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DN30, I notice you left Berget, Tonev, Wakasso, and Scepovic off your list.
You talk about being dominant domestically, but we were.
Any team, in any league in world football, is judged on how they perform in the league, if you ask anybody involved in football, they'll tell you that,
Cup upsets happen to every team, in every country, look at Chelsea losing at home to Bradford or Manchester United losing to MK Dons. The cups are great to win, but are not what you judge your season on.
When Ronny came in, he should have kept things ticking over and made his changes gradually. It was madness to try and implement a new formation on a group of players, who at that time couldn't understand it.
The goals we have conceded in Europe this season proves that it can't be done overnight.
Thursday was great because it was a huge occasion, against a top European team. I'm not sure when Ronny took over, he realised what nights like that mean to Celtic fans.
I think he does now.

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I remember the start of the season and how we were in total disarray, not only in Europe, but dropping points in the league and losing games at Celtic Park.
'Ronnie looked like a scared rabbit' was posted on here by a good few and we were all very concerned at sitting mid table early doors.
Celtic affect all of our lives and we care deeply about our team and express doubt and concern when things are faltering.
I remember WGS getting off to a disastrous start to his career and the flack he got, but look at the job he did under severe cash restraints and major transition.
We may be quick to criticise and can be quite fickle, but we give credit where it's due and always want the best for Celtic.
This nonsense about apologies is way over the top and we should all just be thankful and appreciate the position we are in now, rather than 6 months ago; however we still have won nothing yet and need to stay focussed and professional.

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Gerryc but did I leave berget off list? I clearly mentioned him in previous reply.

Wakaso and Tonev have been bombscares yes, but they are loan signings who we will see the back of soon enough.

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@ 14) Hi JJ, A posted that quote you are talking about and a lot of people echoed it much sense in your post

What turned it for me was when RD spoke about xmas time he said "the post was keeping him up at night and giving him sleep ness nights" he wasn't "worried about failure or even the fight/challenge" but that it was a shock to him! "he felt the whole post/encompassment" was just maybe to much for him! but was now much more comfortable in it and so were the players

The good thing about this system it was either 001 or 007 said @ the beginning was that if he got it right then we would never need to change system to play in Europe

Lastly, I feel like someone above we are really only TWO good centre halves away from being a right great team it is a personal opinion but if we were getting experience in there like two 28-30 year olds that were given 3-4 year deals that had LOADS of experience that would be great!

A like 007's train of thought go and get a couple of quality Bosman's sack the transfer fee involved bump up the wages as a result get a bit of quality but please no more "rough diamonds" at Centre Half position if a had my wishes a would have one in the Big Bobo mould, a big no nonsense type & the other I would have an Alan Stubbs type or a Marc Rieper type a ball playing centre half or one that read the game superbly!

Factor the two types into that set-up / nucleus of a team it could be really really exciting IMO

ATVB JB7

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{Ed007's Note - I've been saying for years we should be developing a system that works domestically and in Europe and use the domestic scene to perfect it. Making drastic changes from a Saturday in the SPFL and midweek in Europe has cost us a lot over the years. We were playing against minnows but they were always better as a team/unit, they have their own system and stick to it only making minor changes, it's been working for Basel for years.
And as I've said a hundred times before, players can't all be as good as Ronaldo but there's no excuse for not being as fit as him, fitness is an important part of the way RD wants to play and I think we're all witnessing the benefits of the changes he made, the way we kept the same tempo for 90 mins against Inter was brilliant to see.
I just wish some people could move on and start being a bit more positive about the club rather than cheap point scoring against each other, it's plain to see the improvement and the general feel-good factor is around the club again, look at the change in the team since August, look at the difference in the football from last year. Who knows where RD can take us but I'm really enjoying being a CFC fan again, God knows when the last time I felt like that.}

Well said Ed, There is a real good factor about the place IMO

am fed up reading about previous manager's records/tenure point scoring there nothing can be done about it ffs! Thanks for trying there best but we live in the moment!

A hope that RD hangs around a long time because there real talent emerging from Norway IMO, If we are to have a "link" with Man City well they have TWO of them already but they are really young!

A have championed young Fasan's cause a few times, but TWO of the TOP 10 young Goalkeepers in the world the now play in Norway one of which is Irish! and given his name dare I say he might of a Celtic persuasion!?

We will probably lose our 2 current CH's for next season so if the powers at be could "tap into" a couple of quality Bosman's a couple of the likes of a Ciani or Mosiander that type we could be a bit of a force again just my opinion

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Jamiebhoy stories I've been hearing about Fasan are all good and I've always thought Gordon was brought in on a free as a stop gap till Fasan is ready for first team. wouldn't surprise me if that was next season or even towards end of this season mate

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DN30 mate he saved a penalty against Dunfermline about a fortnight @ a tough spot in the match mate what a save!

Watch the lad move through the air, touch of the fearless about him but still trying to put my finger on it if am honest

Hope he gets a chance this season if we build a lead that cannot be breached, tbh a feel the same about Jackson Irvine @ CH or CDM what' the point of having this system if we don't give them a chance?

In the last 15 years name me homegrown players that gave us 50 games in the first team Kennedy, McManus, Forrest, McGeady & Maloney is all a can think of?

Shocking buddy IMO for a club of our size

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Your right Jamie. A club our size should be producing more homegrown players. I would like to see more invested in youth development and scouting these players worldwide.

If Fasan ends up being number 1, I reckon they will keep Gordon on as number 2 and let zaluska leave

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RD is the main man, could you imagine a game between Celtic and Bolton. ️Wee Lenny would get his butt kicked!

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22 Feb 2015 07:52:00
I don't think not agreeing an opinion is point scoring?

Anyway, Armstrong was man of the match v Inter and has been here less than a month, MacKay-Steven played full game and again here less than a month & with the goal, Henderson & Guidetti only played 15 mins.

Not a criticism but kinda blows the fitness thing away. Was speaking to someone not long ago and he is of the opinion, yes Ronny is using different training methods that might be more beneficial but to suggest recent Celtic teams or players like GMS and Armstrong are unfit is 'daft'

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@sack the board he is really setting championship on fire with bolton. can't remember last time they won

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It was only by going out on a limb and get someone with a new way of thinking that we have any chance of real long term improvent . Deila was a great choice either as an assistant for a year or two or as happened in at the deep end. I think Deila will build a team of equals all working for each other and we will soon not have the Virgil's Victors and Hoopers demanding to play elsewhere .
New thinking, long time results

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23 @DN nice attempt at point at point scorin lol. I a big lenny fan as you know but I would have had no idea how Boltons recent results went. Tells me you are the 1 obsessing about him on here. Let it go mate let it go lol.

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20 Feb 2015 18:50:28
Good game last night. Looks like we are sorted in the midfield and striker department. Starting to like Ronny Deila a bit more now.

However I see what you mean about Gordon now Ed. Izaguirre isn't good enough for Celtic - simple as that and Van Dijk is the most overrated piece of garbage I have ever seen. What does everyone think is so good about him?

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VVD garbage? really think you need to evaluate that again.

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20 Feb 2015 19:37:52
Gordon had a bad night but I still think selling Forster for 10 million and bring in Gordon on a free was a great deal and we haven't really noticed the difference except in the really big games.

Izzy isn't a defender and never will be but he is great at going forward. Again he doesn't need to defend much at SPFL level but the defensive side of his game is exposed more in Europe.

VVD maybe didn't have his best game last night either but SPFL level is a stroll in the park for him. If we actually had a few decent centre halves I would stick him in beside Brown as he is certainly capable of it (although it would take some shifting Bitton now). He is the senior centre half with Denayer only being 19 and he probably found last night hard as he would have had to talk Denayer through the game too.

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20 Feb 2015 20:38:43
I wouldn't call big Virgil garbage but he defo thinks he's better than what he is! I've yet to see him dominate a game in Europe! Good player but if we get a bid of 7 million plus in the summer then let him go! I think a big reason we lost the 2 early goals last night is that we're used to in the SPL strollin about at our own pace and we will never get punished for it! We need to switch on from the 1st whistle against these caliber of teams if we want to make any impact in Europe! Really encouraged by the fight back last night but! thought our passing and the pace we played at was spot on!

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Harsh mate. Izzy has been playing well but as another poster says in Europe he can be caught out.I always wondered why we don't move him up one? that way he would have less running and, in my opinion, be more productive.

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Listen our normally reliable goalkeeper made a hash of it last night . If he had played as normally, we wouldn't have any need to fault Virgil and Izzy . I agree Virgil is a bit over rated, but he certainly isn't garbage . I think Inter Milan targeted Izzy's wing and put him under pressure and prevented him from getting forward as often as usual, but we are lucky to have a player of Izzy's ability . By the way Inter trying to stop Izzy backfired to some degree on them as Matthews had the freedom of the park last night at right back.

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21 Feb 2015 07:54:00
VVD continually gets found out at this level! Ambrose & Wilson seemed to have been success in the CL

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Ambrose a success in the CL. did you watch the Juve game? Or the Barca hammering? BigBhoy did you think VVD was garbage today? Played a key role in 3 of our goals, For a team offering little in attack he was allowed to push up and help us create the goals to win the game

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20 Feb 2015 18:42:59
ED007 what are your thoughts on Stokes and Scepovic? It looks like Stokes has taken the huff and acted unprofessionally, and as for Scepovic I thought the managers speech about Guidetti "if you train well and work hard you will get your rewards" was a dig at Scepovic who I keep hearing rumours about him being a poor trainer and not settling here, after his protracted on/off deal in the summer when he appeared to be playing us against other teams for more money does not bode well, have you any further insight into them both?

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{Ed007's Note - I'm surprised with Stokes, Tim, from what I've heard he's been working hard and keeping his head down. I don't think Scepovic ever wanted to be here and I wouldn't be surprised to see him moved on in the summer, there were approaches made to Spanish teams in January to take him on loan but obviously nothing came of it.}

Agree with what you say Tim but remember Agathe was a terrible trainer and you could never question his work rate. Maybe he just needs a chance. My criticism of RD earlier in the season was partly about this. He brought in Scepovic and he scored then dropped him.I don't think we can pay 2m for a player don't give him a chance then when he gets in and scores is dropped next game that don't make sense.

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Ed a bit more on the Stokes thing do you think Stokes himself thinks his "ticket is punched"? I thought as the team starts to take shape and players make positions there own so to speak I always felt that the front left of the three was the most easy for Armstrong or GMS to make there's?

Now Armstrong is started as well as he has it is a bit like Mulgrew situ no real first place spot for him mow IMO?

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{Ed007's Note - I've no idea what Stokes is thinking, Jamie.}

Rayman just because Agathe had a short football career without been a good trainer, doesn't mean we should recommend poor training . Imagine how wonderful Agathe could have been if he had trained well, not only would he have reached a high standard of play on the right, he would have lasted much longer .

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20 Feb 2015 18:34:45
I don't want to dwell too much on negatives regarding last night because I think all the players contributed positively last night, some more than others of course, but Izaguirre really worries me on these big European nights. I don't know what it is but he seems to switch off constantly. The one where he kicked the ball off Virgil you could say was unlucky and could happen to anyone but it was the first goal where I was really disappointed with him because he stopped tracking back to claim towards the linesman when he could easily have cleared after Gordon's poor save. I don't think we need a replacement left back necessarily, maybe just a bit of competition to get the best out of Izaguirre.

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You can't blame izzy for that, denayer should have kicked the ball into the stand, Gordon should have saved it and VVD is the man who should have followed the shot in as he was nearest to the striker. I thought Izzy was great like tHe rest of the players, we were undone by our own errors

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VVD was putting pressure on Shaqiri at the first goal, Izaguirre was the one sweeping, or supposed to be, and decided just to give up therefore I think I'm well within my rights to blame him for his part in the goal. It's just my opinion that he hasn't cut it at European level too often but I can assure you there are lots of Celtic fans who feel this way.

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@Kevbhoy Who's the lots of Celtic fans then? Name them otherwise that's a pointless stamement, for every Celtic fan that says that about Izzy I know 37 that don't, see that's pointless as well.

Don't you have enough confidence in yourself and your opinion you that need to back it up with other anonymous people's opinions.

If I said I think Celtic should sign Lee McCulloch and I know plenty of other fans that agree what would you say, you can't prove I'm lying can you? If I said just me thought we should sign him you can answer that, you can't argue with people who aren't in a conversation.

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@AH, Firstly I'm not even the only one on this site who's said it today. I know Celtic fans in my personal life (friends, family, colleagues etc.) who think he's been poor in Europe and plenty of the folk who sit round about me at the games have voiced the exact same opinion as me. I did clearly state that the post was MY opinion but merely mentioned that I don't happen to stand alone in having said opinion so I really don't get what your point is with all the McCulloch nonsense. My opinion of Izzy would be the same regardless because I watch him week in, week out neglecting his defensive duties and causing us problems. If you happen to disagree that's fine by me.

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So we've just to take your word for it that people you know are saying?

Just like people I know want us to sign McCulloch.

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I am afraid you are wrong Kevbhoy, izzy was the furthest defender from the play if VVD was pressuring Shaquiri then how did he get two shots in and how was izzy supposed to cover that. You may not like like fair enough but don't blame him for the mistakes others make

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Firstly AH, whether or not you believe that other people have the same opinion as me is irrelevant. Why would I lie about that? If I'm being honest I think you're just trolling and fishing for a bite because your 2 posts have been pointless. I believe that Izzy does not perfor well enough in Europ, end of.

Secondly Groutdoc, I already said that Gordon and VVD should both have done better but the TV replays clearly show Izzy covering in behind VVD and then stopping to claim offside instead of playing to the whistle. It's not an opinion, you can watch it online, but I agree with you that others made big mistakes too. Gordon palmed it back into danger and VVD wasn't tight enough.

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@Kevbhoy You'd lie about it simply to make it look like your opinion is popular, it's a popular tactic used when people are afraid to be out on their own with their opinion.

Oh look other people agree with me so I must be right! (rofl)

It doesn't matter if you know 50 people that say the same, they're not here and are not relevant to anything YOU say.

I doubt those people use you as an example to back up their point so why are you using anonymous people to do it, get the pepple that agree with you to post on here otherwise what they think has no impact on anything on this site.

We only have your word that other people agree with you, haven't you got the confidence to say that it's your opinion and that's it?

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You're doing a ridiculous amount of nitpicking but I'll go ahead and humour you.

It is my personal opinion that Emilio Izaguirre has too often been disappointing in European competition for Celtic.

And just to be crystal clear, I am extremely confident in that opinion.

👍😂

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Kevbhoy I think that quite a few posters are absolutely convinced by their opinions .
You are right to have your opinion, football is all about different opinions.

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You're spot on Chris but AH didn't seem to believe me lol.

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@Kevbhoy Well done (clap) That's better. You don't need anyone to back up your opinion if that's what YOU think then that should be good enough for people (y)

Truth be told I think Izzy can be a bit suspect at the back but I don't care if anyone agrees with me as it's my own opinion.

@Chris02 What's the point of having an opinion if you're not convinced by it? Would you back off or change your opinion just because someone disagreed with you or your opinion wasn't popular?

We're not all wallflowers. An opinion can never be wrong.

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Credit where it's due, he had a really good game today but it's the step up from league action to Europe where he seems to fall short.

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A H, that's my point, someone said he was convinced about his opinions and all I said was that most were convinced with their opinions

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20 Feb 2015 18:05:40
Prob just covering old ground with my late post on last night, firstly well done to the new boys, gms was in and out of the game but he contributed. Armstrong looks like a bargain. Next I think the next 2 guys after Virgil to head to England will be biton and johanson, I think biton just makes it look so easy. And most of all well done to Ronnie. He never panicked at 2 down. Stuck to his guns and it payed off. I love watching 2 teams who just want to play football and as a result it was one of the best games I've seen for a long long time. Thoroughly enjoyed last night well done to Ronnie and the team.

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20 Feb 2015 13:27:03
Afternoon Ed & all, Nice to see you just concentrating on the positive stuff from last night Ed felt the exact same after the game and said just that!

But taking it off in a slightly different angle a just wondered your and everyone else's thoughts on this

Celtic Park last night, Even the new Celtic way looked fab in the dark, the atmosphere, the volume, picture yourself as a neutral for a moment seeing the tenor there doing his Italian bit etc for the away fans they must be thinking "no one else does this for us"

Point am trying to get to is surely the "powers at be" must now know ( if they already don't!) in looking for a CL venue for a final & a EL final venue surely someone with a "doze" of common sense must be looking at it with serious intentions of placing it there with that infrastructure?

Finally, The GB get a bit of stick from time but that "evolving TV banner" was slick / fun even clever so who ever thought of that top marks to you, well done you!

As a said last night best game in EL by far! EPL teams some up again Italian teams in there capital never had a patch on CP last night! :=D:=D(yes)(yes)

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{Ed007's Note - Off the top of my head UEFA want stadiums that host the CL final to have a capacity of at least circa 70,000, our dressing rooms are too small to qualify and you need an indoor/covered area where the team buses arrive.}

Wow mate you must have some size of "heid" to be able to recollect that :=D (y)

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{Ed007's Note - (finger)

Ed a meant that as a compliment mate to "rattle that off" from the top of your head is impressive mate (y)

On a side note see my preferential CH signing Mosiander has committed to Sampdoria on a Bosman shame he would have fitted right in, would like Harvard Norvandt? Now from Munchengladbach atvb jb7

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{Ed007's Note - I didn't know that about Mosiander, I must have missed it so cheers. The other guy is Havard Nordtveit.}

20 Feb 2015 13:21:27
Superb game last night LOVED it

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20 Feb 2015 13:20:34
Well last night was feckn brilliant! Pre match the talking point was had we progressed to another level, given that we are dominating games domestically. If you ask me that question was put to bed, and in a bit of style in my opinion.

Two bad mistakes by Gordon, arguably our most consistent player for a few months, and the usual slice of bad luck at the second, really I mean the ball blasting off VVD into the players path, but at no time did we stop trying to play.We kept our shape and went toe to toe with them, and on another night might have won it. Surely Ronny will get peace from his critics now? This was playing the Celtic way.
This was players uniting with an incredible support, the backing last night was nothing short of unbelievable, and realising that when you wear our shirt you have a duty to perform.

Armstrong had a fantastic game and ran himself into the ground. Broony made sure things never got on top of us in midfield.Biton? The improvement in this guy is massive, tidy and neat he keeps the game moving for us.GMS, again ran himself into the ground and worked hard to keep the team shape, and maybe should have scored. Having said that I have to give the plaudits to Ronny.

When he arrived and started talking about the way he wanted us to play he was criticized, and worse ridiculed by 'pundits and the general media in Scotland.He was laughed at for saying how players should behave and 'refuel' before and after games.Last night justified EVERYTHING he said.We were athletic and finished the game stronger then Inter.Not for one minute did we look beaten.This was a game I was incredibly proud of our players and support. Score first in Italy and things might just get interesting.

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@Green Jhedi Top post that mate. There are loads of people in the media, ex-players, "supporters" and people on here left with a dollop of egg on their faces.

Remember there were people on here wanting Ronny Deila sacked!

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Green Jhedi, I wonder will many of the " fans" who tried to undermind Deila, and of course his many supporters and create worries etc apologise for their constant harping on about Deila's weaknesses .

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Great post GJ

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Good post GJ, can I admit I was wrong about RD and that's after a draw!! I now like the way we play but you have to admit its taken some very poor performances to get here esp in CL qualifiers. But to AH and DN have said many times on here about fans wanting RD sacked is outrageous. I have been a critic of RD as you know but I have never said Rd should be sacked nor have I read anyone else say this.And to invert commas in the word fans or supporters is totally shameful on your part. because the truth is you have no idea how much time or money people like myself and others have put into celtic, and just because we have a dfferent opinion from yourselves you dare to brand us dare I say it "non supporters" lol.

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{Ed007's Note - And the truth is you've no idea what time or money anyone else puts in so that's an irrelevant point.}

@Rayman Your being a bit touchy there Raymundo, I don't see your name mentioned in there. Maybe hit a raw nerve eh?

I remember you "supporting" Ronny with your constant moaning about every little thing he done, you've got egg dripping off your chin pal but it makes a change from the brown stuff that usually drips off it.

The reason your name isn't mentioned is because folk probably thought you wouldn't have been at or even watched the game It's only the champions league you bother about isn't it.

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@Rayman Give us all a breakdown of everything you spend then ya plantpot. You're trying to say that Chelsea fans that spend £1000 on a season ticket are better supporters than Celtic fans who don't spend so much.

I've never stooped so low as to use money to rate how good a supporter someone is, why don't you go and eat a Big Mac meal in front of someone sleeping rough?

Backing your team comes from your heart not your wallet.

Your real character's starting to show now eh, look at you with all that money!!! (puke)

Is there anyone on here on the broo? You could be as good a "supporter" as Rayman if you had a job.

Try thinking about others before getting all high and mighty pal, a little humility goes a long way. - you might even make some friends (handshake)

And before you start with "you didn't mean it that way" why else would you mention it?

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@Rayman; Where did I put any commas regarding our supporters? As for the time and money argument, I have defended supporters, who for good reasons we will never know, can't make it to games. I would hope though that last nights display will add a few thousand to the gate next game.

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Rayman I always knew people would crawl out from under their stone at this point in season and deny they wanted Deila sacked.

Truth of the matter is your faction never wanted to give the guy a chance. He deserved a chance having relevant managerial experience and success in Norway.

I hope he wins treble and steers club to a win over Inter. Not for the fans who have stuck behind him, but for him and a nice big "GIRUY" to fans like yourself

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The reason why I used inverted commas sometimes around fans is absolutely nothing to do with the money some people spend on watching Celtic .
Why I post " fans" is because I think fans should be supportive and should back the club, the manager and the players individually and collectively.
We will all moan from time to time but constant moaning and bitching against various parts of the club, doesn't do anything to support or help the club to do better. I think the mainstream Scottish media and some of our rivals do enough to ridicule and try take away club members' confidence . Celtic fans don't need to help them .

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@GJ apologies mate wasn't directed at you. @ AH its not about money I was just making a point about the inverted commas. and fans like yourself ( no inverted commas) who have different opinions ridicule others as non supporters. I have changed my mind about RD but you don't seem to have changed your mind about people wanting him sacked. I ask again can you mention any names or posts who wanted him sacked?Cos I never seen any. And do you think RD is beyond criticism too?

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If it's not about money why even bring it up?

Why does the money you spend make you a "supporter" even though you didn't support the manager?

What was you and your money supporting, it wasn't the team or manager.

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@rayman; Thanks mate.No problem.

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Of course its not about money.hello I was tryin to make a point. I ask again justify your point about us so called "fans" who asked for him to be sacked. name them and shame them AH I think you will find it very difficult.

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@Rayman Again son, if it's not about money why even mention it?

What else have you said that your posts wasn't about?

You mentioned money to prove how good a supporter you are or to "make a point", it's quite simple and there in black and white.

What point were you making when you mentioned the money you spend?

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@AH of course I supported the manager, but it doesn't mean he is above criticism. Just as others criticise CG or the board for not signing x or y it doesn't make them any less a supporter it means they care about the club.

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@Rayman

29 Nov 2014
"the time to praise RD is when the treble happens mate. Not before because the football we watching is poor. Too many on here keep saying he will do this he will do that. let's wait and see. I remember last season NL was getting stick on here when he was on a unbeaten and clean sheet run. How come it was ok to give him stick but not RD. How we would luv an unbeaten run just now."

17 Nov.
"I been saying on here for months RD can't get the best out o players he just too interested in his system.I never seen Mulgrew put so much effort into a game, I thought he was excellent, shame RD can't get that out of him."

17 Nov "So all I would ask is judge RD on what he is doing just now not what he might do.Are you happy with the football you see? Do you see any real progress so far? Or have we went backwards? Do you see any improvement in the players?"

20 Sep 2014
RD for me is forcing a system on the players when it clearly doesn't suit.What manager does this? What I see out there at times is 11 individuals. His minimum requirement is to create a team, now that team might not be world beaters but at least its got to be a team."

So Was that you supporting the manager?

There's loads more there, the search function on the site is excellent quality compared to others.

Is that egg dripping off your chin?

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Ah you must have a lot of time on your hands. Or you really want to win this argument. I think looking at those posts Ray doesn't want the man sacked he is just asking questions. The same questions a lot of people were asking at the start of the season. I was of the opinion I liked rd I wanted him to succeed but I was worried the job was to big for him. He now has the team heading in the right direction and no one is happier than me and I'm sure Ray and mrs e and anyone else who dared to show concern. Like I've said a 100 times I like the way rd conducts himself and hopefully the team cont to improve. There was a bit of peace broke out on this thing when we signed gms and Armstrong it lasted about a day. The thing is everyone now agrees they are happy with the way things are going it just seems to be a discussion about who was happiest first. Surely everyone has the right to ask questions even criticise as long as they don't do it within the stadium I'm ok with that. Maybe you's guys should kiss and make up and we will look forward to tomorrow and then thurs. Anyway that's me looking from the outside in I will leave yous to it.

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@ AH haha you are so sad you must have trolled thro countless posts to search what you were looking for and still didn't find it. The football at the time was terrible it isn't now. But where is the mention of getting him sacked?? Wud you rather us fans were just like sheep and didn't say anything when the football was poor. I criticise him then for poor performance and now praise him for good performance.So am I wrong then and right now? As I said then let's not go on about what he might do let's wait till he does it.There are a few major games comin up Inter/Aberdeen what if we were to lose both? There is no guarantee in football some have already got RD as a major success he hasn't won anythin yet. He has got my full support but let's not go over board yet. As I said again time to celebrate is if/when he wins the treble not before.

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@Garybhoy 1888 @Rayman Who mentioned anything about Ronny getting sacked?

"of course I supported the manager. "

That's what was said and I easily found and shown that's not 100% true.

@Rayman Its easy enoiugh to check what anyone has posted on here the best on any sites I've used because it's easy to prove people's lies.

I'm off out with the wife for cocktails and a night at the casino, no doubt you'll find something else to contradict yourself about.

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Sorry AH, it's been a long thread the sacked point was made by dn. All I was sayin was that everyone has there own opinions and concerns about certain people within the club. I'm sure in your time as a celtic fan you've been unsure of a player only to go on to warm to him. I'm sure there's a player at celtic just now you don't fancy does that mean if he turns it around people should start saying I told you so. Of course not because you will have your reasons for being unsure of a player. It doesn't mean you want him to fail. It doesn't mean you can't change your mind. Listen mate all I was trying to do was bring a bit of unity. But I suppose this thing wouldn't be the same if everyone agreed.

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@AH you and DN have said this before about people wanting RD sacked yet I have never seen anyone post this about RD.

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@Rayman There's probably a lot you've "never seen" - it doesn't surprise me. Just like you supported the manager eh?

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20 Feb 2015 12:42:03
Late jumping on the wagon response from last night!

Firstly hats off to the fans and the GB display it was sensational, you could see even some of our players were caught up in the electric atmosphere, it was amazing to see CP filled to the brim again, as it should be!
Footballing terms we were a bit sloppy to give those goals away but what a response from the Bhoys not to deflate, they keep the pace and momentum up. CG was unlucky but as RD said, his saves have gained us entry to the knock out stages. I will be rubbing the green next week as it is still all to play for. We need to tighten the defence up and have a reaql go again we may catch them sleeping. Anyhoo off to work with a vino hangover but I will wear it with pride!

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20 Feb 2015 10:40:44
Eds right positives Celtic passing, movement and going forward was excellent considering it was inter milan and the front six are on long contracts and oldest 1 is brown

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20 Feb 2015 11:52:43
I thought the support the fans gave the team last night was incredible.
Inter probably came thinking get an early goal, silence the crowd, and the tie is over. But the backing the fans gave the team particularly when we were 2-0 and 3-2 down must have shaken them, and gave our players a huge lift.
What pleased me last night was the players continued trying to do the right things even when they made mistakes, it's frustrating sometimes when you see passes going astray, but in the cold light of day you have to remember, we haven't got the multi million pound players these other teams have, so it's inevitable our technique will be found wanting at times, although after saying that Craig Gordon had a pretty poor match.
Whether we can play the same in the San Siro remains to be seen, Inter may think the job is done and may not be totally focused, you never know.
I think though that if we can play at the same level as they did last night, we won't be that far away.

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20 Feb 2015 10:51:37
Another fing mcmanaman wits rang wi our players walkn roon the park clappin at the best fans in the world? For support lyk that and the noise they made and not to mention the banner from the GB wis 1st class. any player in the world would clap and applaud ther fans for that.

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20 Feb 2015 11:40:19
Exactly what as I was thinking mate our supporters are the 12th Man and it showed real class them showing so much support even being 2 down

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Totally pal. I wasnt at game but I had my tele turnd aw t wiy up t 67! And the noise booming oot wis superb! Had t hairs on me standing up lol we wur 2-0 doon fir fek sake n we level in the last seconds against an inter side not at ther best but still world class and we're put doon for celebrating like we won! Ayee who cares. its the 1st many of the players have experienced ah full parkheed in a while. ther ryt t soak it up. if fings keep going as they r and we keep playn the way we r I fink we'll be seeing wee ronny in his Y fronts haha

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20 Feb 2015 10:43:36
Well done Jay Beatty.Goal of the month with 97% of the vote.God bless you wee man.

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20 Feb 2015 09:26:49
Well in the cold light of day what did we make of last night's performance? First the negatives, I think the occasion got to Gordon he looked nervous from the start, once again our defending was poor with Izzy leaving huge gaps which Inter exploited, our passing at times is still poor how many moves broke down by us passing to an Inter player. Deila said he was happy after the game but he is still not working on our defending and our passing. Now to the positives if this game had been played earlier in the season Celtic would have folded, but we now seem to have a resilience to bounce back, I thought losing the 3rd goal so close to half time, after fighting back to 2-2 would have been a killer but the team showed bottle. Armstrong and Mackay-Stevens were immense and have improved us so much, some of our attacking, especially in the first half was great to watch. One positive about Delia is his training methods are now paying dividends with the team looking much fitter. Overall, after such a poor start I was both happy and unhappy only to get a point.

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Gordon didn't have the best of nights but having been a GK myself I can't really blame him for their third goal.In weather like that the ball is like a bar of soap.

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20 Feb 2015 11:44:30
Gordon was at fault for 2 0f their 3 goals but he has been doing well we all make mistakes but I would like a younger replacement brought in because zaluska should retire

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I disagree thought the passing was great. a lot better than it has been in Europe the last few years. Also liked the way we started from the back and the passed up the park, no long balls even at 2-0.

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I think that Gordon got carried away with the atmosphere and excitement
First goal, he should have known where the post was, his excitement caused him to be carried away in making an unnecessary save .
Third goal, he raced so far out of goal, so much out of character .
Forster wouldn't have done that .

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20 Feb 2015 02:00:51
You've been quiet ED are you refraining from passing comment on CGs performance? I know your a big fan of his :)

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{Ed007's Note - I'd rather focus on the positives but there was nothing CG done tonight that surprised me.}

Big Craig was not at his best tonight, he has however saved us in many occasions in Europe and last weekend against St. Johnstone. Changing the subject if Lustig is fit next week I would play him at RB and Mathews at LB. Izzy can not be trusted to defend properly. I honestly think we can go through. Hail Hail

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20 Feb 2015 07:46:22
Nonsense - We wouldn't have been playing in the last 32 if it wasn't for Craig Gordon, we'd of been well out of Europe.

He had the backing of us all at the game last night anyway

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Fact of the matter is it was a shocker of a game for CG. Was incredibly critical of signing him, as no1 anyways. It was a cheap option, he's not as good as the keeper before him, nor does he have the potential to be. Poor signing. Simple. Credit to him, he's had some good performances. Some stinking ones too. He'll be our number one until the summer if he stays injury free so all we need to do as fans is back him. Then hopefully he can not have a game like that again from now until the summer.

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I'm more concerned that Ambrose can't play a 10 yard ball to feet.

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20 Feb 2015 11:12:29
He's had a great season but last night he had a nightmare. Just hope it was a bad night for him and doesn't affect him for the 2nd leg.

Some people just can't wait to have a go at Efe! Was he the only celtic player to give the ball away last night? He'd just come on as a sub ffs

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Jim, Gordon had a nighmare 1st half and an outstanding 2nd half. He had 2 outstanding saves in the 2nd half and recovered well from his nighmare. This is another development in him getting back to his best. We will be hard pushed to find a better keeper to replace him within our price range. A BIG thank you to all the fans last night it was epic. Hail Hail

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Calm yourself HT I haven't once slated Efe on here but he was on for 10 minutes last night and gave the ball away twice when all he had to do was play it to a celtic shirt within 10 yards. I like Efe as a CB but he never a right back not for us or Nigeria. At a time when we were pushing for a goal giving the ball away cheaply was my concern so like I said calm yourself.

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@E007 People can flap their gums all they want about what Gordon has done before last night but the cold facts are he made 2 terrible mistakes last night that cost us the game and if we go out it will be Gordon's fault.

Not Ronny's, not Izzy's not even big Efe, it will be Craig Gordons fault. Without his 2 howlers last night we'd have won. Its that simple.

He's still palm the ball back into the danger areas and he struggles to get down quickly for low shots, standing saves seems to be no problem but when he needs to get to ground quickly he's prone to make mistakes

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{Ed007's Note - Well chosen bait there, AH. You can take all the flak for saying that lol I just felt nobody needed me to point out Gordon's mistakes, I've been pointing them out all season. If you listen to some people we seem to have the only keeper in the world who's never at fault for goals.}

TimTamTic, his shockers cost us the game. Aye he made some decent saves, particularly from their free kick but tbh I expect keepers at that level to do that and for me hey don't make up for gifting them two goals. But its about squeezing every drop of positivity and confidence from last night.

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I had my doubts about him because of the St Johnstone goal he was at fault to weekend so thought he might be a bit shaky. Fair play he didn't let it affect him 2nd half. As i'd said on another post without them howlers and their keeper saving 2 point blanks we'd be pretty much through

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It was ultimately a bit of a howler by
Gordon for the third goal, but you name me a goalkeeper that has'nt made a bad mistake, but why does no one talk about the defence, if Ambrose had been playing at that time, he would be getting slaugtered.

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He is the defence. He parried one into an opponent rather than out then he dropped a ball at an opponents feet. They have nothing really to do with other players.

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Up to last night I was happy enough with Gordon . To me he has made very many fine saves, but they were all the types of saves you would expect a top class goalkeeper to make . Sometimes he may not have palmed the ball away from goal.
The first goal was a mistake that a goalkeeper can make . He was making an unnecessary save, and messed it up . Now for the third goal he made a howler, he didn't have to do anything, but he made a rookie goalie error, completely unforced and unnecessary . I want the goalie to do what he has to do, stop the efforts that can be stopped, but not run out into no man's land and make a blunder like that .

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Firstly let me say CG as at fault at the 2 goals no doubts whatsoever. No excuses no fitness worries he was just at fault period. however when he makes a great save people on here say it was expected of a top class keeper. The guy can't win. Also you guys that criticise him are calling him a "top class keeper". Make up your minds lol.

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{Ed007's Note - I've never called him a top class GK, he's proven yet again he's very, very far from that, that's 16 goals conceded in 9 European matches, he's looking tired and jaded and I wouldn't be surprised to see Zaluska start against Hamilton. Speaking of Hamilton, there's women in Hamilton that go down quicker than Gordon does. How many times is that he's made a save but palmed it straight back to the opposition player, and did you see him coming out for Inter's corner when he was left punching fresh air? Gordon had a nightmare last night, he cost us the game and if we don't go through he will be responsible for it.
Well done to RD though for saying we have CG to thank for being here, it was after all his blunder against Maribor cost us CL football.}

Well said ed, so now you don't believe RD. Since you brought it up about Maribor, how come you have never answered my response about that goal with regards to Izzy. And how he as been responsible for countless goals in Europe or does it not fit in with the GG agenda.

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{Ed007's Note - I believe RD, he said we have CG to to thank and I agree with him. I blame CG for us not being in the CL so we have him to thank for that, if it wan't for CG we'd be in the CL, is that clear enough now?

20 Feb 2015 23:07:19
It wasn't Craig Gordon who couldn't score a goal at home against Maribor. He's had a great season. Last night he had a shocker. It happens. Hope he can bounce back from it and doesn't let it affect him. Artur Boruc made a few mistakes for us but he was a hero in my eyes. Craig Gordon will be more disappointed than anyone re last night but he deserves our support.

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Can I ask a question? For the St Johnstone goal was Gordon standing facing the wrong way . I think as the ball was out on the wing, he should have turned his body so that he was facing the ball. I think if he had done that and if the ball had came off his knee, it would have bounced to safety .

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Ed luvin the banter but why not answer the question. izzy has been there a lot longer than CG, but you fail to mention him once in all the goals we lost in Europe. he is culpable many times over inculding the Maribor goal. Why no agenda with him?

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{Ed007's Note - It's hardly an agenda, everything I said has been proven right, from his questionable fitness to his proneness of parrying the ball back into the danger area to the prediction that he would cost us as the season went on. I've said that as a shot-stopper he's fine but that's not enough for a CFC GK, remember Rab Douglas.
Tell me what I've been wrong about with CG.
Scott Brown's been there the longest and I'm not mentioning him either. I'm getting the feeling that now Ambrose is out the team you're looking for another scapegoat to cover CG's obvious to failings.
Celtic, the only team whose GK doesn't concede goals, it's always somebody elses fault.


goalkeeper - noun - a player in soccer or field hockey whose special role is to stop the ball from entering the goal.

Izzy's job isn't to keep the ball out the net, would you blame Adam Matthews or Liam Henderson for Stokes not scoring in Europe?
If you're going to compare players I always find it's better to compare with things in common, give it a try.
I told you months ago that CG would cost us again and last night he did, how sickening will it be if we go out on away goals rules?
The only agenda I have against CG is that, as he proved last night, he isn't good enough to be CFC's No.1 'keeper. You go on about how important the CL is, is CG a CL level GK considering the pressure we'd expect our goal to be under at that level?
Who are you trying to convince here, me or you?}

Not trying to convince anyone ed, I just giving a contrasting opinion about the Maribor goal as you are convinced it was CG at fault an opinion not many on here agree with. My point is I think Izzy was at fault for that goal and you have never blamed him as I said he is also culpable for many others in Europe too.Interesting you mention the 22 goals we conceded in Europe which your quick to point out with CG in goal. I would a thought that there is only 1 man responsible for this and that's the manager.

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For quite a number of goals, if you check carefully the goal keeper has to take some responsibility for the goals. Craig Gordon has been no different earlier in the season opponents were getting sight of goals all too often, Gordon made a lot of good stops, but that is what he is there for, sometimes he slapped the ball back out and we lost goals . On Thursday night our biggest game of the season, he carried a very high % blame for two goals . The fans got behind him big time and helped him through the second half and their support may just have saved us losing any more goals. Now I can never remember the fans getting behind big Ambrose and helping him to get over his errors etc . I have read somewhere where fans say Ambrose has lost his confidence . Would that be because of the abuse he gets from forums and from the stands?

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{Ed007's Note - You can't win, Chris, now it's the manager's fault! (headbang) That's Ambrose, Izaguirre and now RD been blamed for CG's mistakes.}

20 Feb 2015 01:45:34
One thing for sure after that result. Inter won't be taking us lightly in Milan. I believe we can go over there and get a result. My only worry is that any draw (can't see another 3-3, not in Milan) will put them through. Not out of this tie by a long chalk. I have to say the fitness level throughout the team is paying dividends. I was a serious RD doubter but he is winning me over all the time. Hail Hail

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If.

It's a funny word.

If my aunt had a set of baws she'd be my uncle.

If we hadn't have had such poor mistakes at the back (which was always my biggest fear) we'd be winning the tie.

If, when I wake up in the cold light of day tomorrow, I know that we can go to their place and get a result. It's now more than ever.

I fancy us going through this tie more than I would have under WGS, MO'N or NL. That must account for something. If we put the same in again, we CAN go through. We WILL go through.

If not but anything, that really was a blinder of a game.

Keep the faith? I honestly think faith has been more than restored. If not in this tie, then in where our team might be going.

Proud.

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Meant it Ed.

My brain is a little bit dehydrated this morning but I don't think I've been more chuffed with a draw since the Nou Camp 0-0 in the UEFA Cup!

What I wanted the most last night, bar the win, was for us to take what we've been doing to them. And we certainly did that.

Just a shame i'm sat here watching the re-run thinking again as a poor tim; " If this, but if only that". To react like that after shooting ourselves in the foot two, possibly three times shows real steel.

Not slagging him or anything but said for a while we need something other than Commons in Europe. How dynamic, and not predictable did we look at times last night?

Same again over there and really it would take a disaster not to see us through.

Still proud.

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{Ed007's Note - It wasn't a sarcastic clap, it was applause for your post.}

I know mate just looked like the emotion got to me a bit.

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{Ed007's Note - Performance wise last night was better than the Barca 2-1 win, we controlled large portions of the game and at worse we more than held our own. I'm not dwelling on them but without Gordon's errors we would have won last night and already had one foot in the Round of 16. That's 16 goals in 9 Euro games CG has conceded and that's got to be a worry.}

 
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