Celtic Banter Archive December 20 2012

20 Dec 2012 23:09:11
Watching Telly and hearts being hauled in to SFA to be punished for not paying bonuses when last year old rangers got the mandatory 10 point deduction for going into admin but no punishment for dropping players wages by 75% for over 3 months nor paying their bonuses. No punishment for not paying debtors nor footballing debts.
If the SFA could have got out of giving the mandatory 10 point deduction they would have.
Punishment for admin isn't punishment for those other crimes.

Incidentally, if the club and company are different why does the club get docked 10 points for the companiy's financial poor performance? (Admin)

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20 Dec 2012 23:02:07
had to laugh at the pieman saying they were challenging the wallace red card as he had 2 massive games against elgin and clyde coming up and again like last year when mccluger red card was appealed and he wnet on to injure kayel total no respect for the rules

Cynical disrespect for honesty.
There's no redeeming features at all.

20 Dec 2012 18:33:02
ED007, just wanted to report a bit of gossip. Apparently Sally got into a bit
of a tizz when he heard CL draw, he misheard and thought it was Fray Bentos we were drawn against, also when he heard Lennon talking about "beefing" up the squad and taking "stock" of the situation and then the Celtic fans getting in a "stew" over the tie, well poor Sally salivated so much, he now wears nappies and a bib. lol Timalloy

20 Dec 2012 16:52:44
here edo ah wee bit ae banarama ma fav boay band evur!
People are staring and following me.
This is my only escape from it all:
Watching a film or a face on the wall.
pat wae his giros's waiting
talking italian.
pat wae his giros 's waiting
talking italian.
pat wae his giro's waiting
talking italian.
pat wae his giro's waiting
talking italian.
I don't need a bhoy
I've a got a man of steel
cos his incontinence pants
dont huv a seal
he walks aboot Sarrie like he is a star,
he fills up oot greggs,
& the auld balmore bar,
his claes ur desiner,
of that it is clear,
drives stolen moturs
n sells hooky gear,
tuesdays his sign oan day,
talkin italyin,
hung like a budgie ,
no like a stallion,
shirt buttons opin
ye kin see his medalion!

"pat wae his giros waitin ,
talkin italyin?...............

Wee man the last six lines made me laugh a lot . brilliant!! gie me a pint of whit you drink . shammy

20 Dec 2012 14:07:32
Just read this in the Gazzetta Dello Sport...thought you may be interested (i've tried to translate it rather than passing it through google translate). It's a summary of Celtic.

celtic - Outsiders, but rarely give in and Juventus can't either.
The star: The rising star is Tony Watt, Class '93, but the attack is still led by Georgios Samaras. The Greek is not exactly a thunderbolt of war, but he has talent, personality and international experience to sell.
The key man: the style of play is embodied to perfection by Victor Wanyama, the Kenyan can play both central defender and midfield, and score as well. Just imagine, on the pitch with Pirlo, Marchisio and Vidal.
Strengths: Their best feature is their mentality, this is a group of players who can bite the bullet and never goes adrift, even during storms. Technically, there are also quite adept players: Mulgrew's crossing and Hooper's goals, for example, should not be underestimated. And with Lustig, on the opposite side, forms a pair of full-backs of good level. Forster has proven to be a goalkeeper capable of great evenings even if he is not very reliable. The Israeli Kayal and Captain Brown and add solidity to the midfield. It is not easy to overcome this area.
Weaknesses: The overall technical value is small and lacks a consistent scorer (the Bhoys do not even have the best attack in the Scottish Premier League, held by Inverness). The central defenders Ambrose and Wilson are far from impenetrable, and will struggle with the speed of Giovinco and the technique of Vucinic. They also lack a true organizer of the game in the middle of the field: if Lennon had access to a good director like Pirlo, he'd jump for joy.
Current Condition: the Scottish Premier League, Rangers free, does not pose the Hoops credible opponents, so it is difficult to understand the state of Celtic forms, top of the league without dominating. February is far away, but the impression is that the Champions League is just another thing for the Scots. There have, however, unsuspected energy and go beyond their limits. Juve will try to beat them for the first time (in Glasgow).

"celtic - Parte da outsider, ma raramente cede di schianto, dunque meglio non fidarsi.
La stella: sta nascendo l'astro di Tony Watts, classe '93, ma in attacco si parte ancora con Georgios Samaras. Il greco non è esattamente un fulmine di guerra, ma ha talento, personalità ed esperienza internazionale da vendere.
L'uomo chiave: lo stile di gioco della squadra è incarnato alla perfezione da Victor Wanyama, kenyano capace di giocare sia da difensore centrale che da mediano, oltre che di segnare parecchio. Facile immaginarlo sulle piste di Pirlo, Marchisio e Vidal.
Punti di forza: la caratteristica migliore è la mentalità, questo è un gruppo di gente che sa stringere i denti e non va mai alla deriva, neanche durante le mareggiate. Tecnicamente, ci sono anche giocatori piuttosto abili: i cross di Mulgrew da sinistra per Hooper e le punte, per esempio, non vanno sottovalutati. E con Lustig, sul lato opposto, forma una coppia di terzini di buon livello. Forster ha dimostrato di essere un portiere incline a serate di grazia, anche se non è affidabilissimo. L'israeliano Kayal e il capitano Brown aggiungono solidità e moto perpetuo al centrocampo: non è una linea facile da superare.
Punti deboli: il valore tecnico complessivo della rosa è modesto e manca un grande bomber (i Bhoys non hanno nemmeno il miglior attacco del campionato scozzese, segnano meno dell'Inverness). I difensori centrali Ambrose e Wilson sono tutt'altro che impenetrabili, soffriranno la velocità di Giovinco e la tecnica di Vucinic. E manca anche un vero organizzatore di gioco in mezzo al campo: se Lennon avesse a disposizione un regista bravo la metà di Pirlo, farebbe i salti di gioia.
Condizione attuale: la Scottish Premier League, priva dei Rangers, non oppone agli Hoops avversari credibili, dunque è difficile capire lo stato di forma del Celtic, che è primo senza dominare. Febbraio è lontano, ma l'impressione è che la Champions sia proprio un'altra cosa, per gli scozzesi. Lì trovano però energie insospettabili e vanno oltre i loro limiti. Occhio a darli per battuti prima del tempo."

Nonesense mate ma italianos hoat iz mrs e arse ma son n nevur lets me doon so here goes
" wee pats the man they aw look up tae kin aeawaeys be trustit speshully wen hes drunk loves the wumin n vicey versa so tae sommo upo ifa wee paulo says itsa good deal then yuro oan tae plumms ma mann stauno oana meo!"
noo that comes strait fae the hoarsis mouth via wee tony fae the vesuvio in bath st , chow baby chow,
(sorry am jist talkin tae the bambino!)

"when the fan hits the **** dont you no that is it !
its amore, its amore!
when the ice creema van,
looks a like desperate dan
thats amore!
ama hating sevco
since they ran oota dough!
thats amore,
itsa awrite oan the nite
cos the ITI'ES ur ****e
whats the scoreh?
whats the scoreh ?
thats the scoreh!
gratzi !fa benne! fa benne! ya bamos!

Thanks for that translation, you will be in demand soon. HH

20 Dec 2012 13:51:08
Most decent people pay their debts and simply get on with their lives without ever feeling the need to boast about being "debt free". However, our local snake oil salesman is shouting it from the rooftops despite the fact that the former rangers went bust owing tens of millions and when the decent rangers fans made donations to pay off creditors what did glinty do with the money? he laid a new pitch. Rangers may be debt free thanks to glinty but they are also morally bankrupt and he can also take the credit for that. He should never ever be compared to Fergus McCann who paid off all of Celtics debts ( the real meaning of "debt free") so that we avoided liquidation and therefore remained the same club with all of our proud history intact. The honest actions of the bunnet also allows Cetic fans to walk with their heads held high.pat-c

I dont understand why the police and Ambulance service dont pay hard ball over the debt. Ambulance service debt; around 9k,Police debt;Around 52k. If both refused to attended games till the cash was paid Green would have had to pay before this old/new club nonsense got too far.No game could go ahead without these services in place............green jhedi

D&P called them ransom services without which football would cease.
Others include electricity, gas, telephones, Internet, etc,....

Op i couldnt agree with you more this man has some brass neck they are morally corrupt nothing and i mean nothing suprises me with that club marty bhoy

Agree with green jhedi the police is a real strange one as to provide a service to any organisation who have refused payment is misuse of the public purse

Mates if it makes you feel any better we were showing a debt of 7 million before we sold Ki for 5.5 million and have gone on to earn 26 million and counting in the champions league. 1.75 million prize money for winning the SPL and prize money when we win 1 if not 2 of he Scottish cup competitions this season. They won't be the only team debt free come next year and most importantly THEY CAN ONLY HAVE 1 SHARE ISSUE MATE! This time next year we will be so far ahead of them financially that if Celtic continue to conduct they're business off the park they way they have been in recent years they will never catch up. All facts not assumptions.

They should fit card meters in and make them buy cards like everybody else who didn't pay their bill.
Ally must stay.

20 Dec 2012 12:57:57
The only thing the other lot have in common with us is the last two letters in the place we'll be playing in...We're going to Turin that lot are going to ELGIN!! Mon The HOOPS.

20 Dec 2012 12:15:34
Sevco5088 Domestic departures Ltd posted its the same historic club 140 years old and listed all old historical club's achievements in their brief to the stock exchange.
Can we please start the list of reasons it's not the same club again?
1. Founded in 1872 and incorporated in 1899 to enter association football under incorporated club regulations, it is now in liquidation and recorded as such at companies house.
2. Charles Green's brand new Sevco5088 club was in no league in Scotland had no votes whilst the old club was in the SPL and still had SFA membership vote and SPL membership vote. Green had bought assets at this point but old club still existed in SPL and called Rangers Football Club.
3.old historical Rangers FC voted to allow Green's sevco5088 into the SPL. But all the other clubs voted against.
4. Whilst old Rangers were still in SPL, Green's new club then went to SFL asking to get into div1. The SFL chairmen refused this as a new club and allowed them to enter association football in SFL Div3.
5. Green's new club did not have SFA membership but SFA agreed to give them a membership conditionally. Including paying all the shameful football debts of old historical rangers. If they were the old Rangers they would have automatically have had their SFA membership.
6. The SFL agreed to give the brand new club sevco Rangers a membership, regardless of SFL regulation requiring that new clubs entering SFL need four years approved and certified accounts which Green's club do not have.
7. Circa 40 players, worth about £30m according to McCoist, walked away from historic Rangers club as they did not need to transfer legally to Green's new club. If it was the same club it would have the same players on the same contracts.
8. Lord Nimmo-Smith a high court law lord in Scotland has declared that Green's new club has legally does not and never has played in the SPL top tier of Scottish football. Ergo has never won any trophies or qualified for CL.
9. You cannot sell history nor titles and achievements. It's an intangible. One clubs historic honours cannot be claimed by another club founded in 2012.
10. Green's brand new club failed to honour goodwill relationships with the old club's historical trading partners preferring to start new arrangements. Eg JBSPORTS to Sports Direct.
11. Corporate Goodwill refers to established trading partners and trading connections, it in no way refers to the history and achievements of a football club in liquidation.
12. 100% Previous Scottish football clubs that were liquidated ceased their history. The history could not be transferred this is legal precedent. It just cannot happen.
13. The other clubs in Scotland do not recognise it as the same historic Rangers and rightly so.
14. Green is breaking insolvency laws by using the exact branding, logos, badges, crests, colours and name of old historical Rangers in liquidation. By continuing to break the statutory laws, he hopes he will create an identity as close to historical rangers as possible and be recognised as such. But rightfully tell him to drop the name, branding logos, etc,... As required, and its plain for all to see its a new club. Why are the authorities allowing his charade to continue to ridiculous lengths? Including duping the stock exchange with his claims?
15. Green tells lies often. He is mendacious. His claim that rangers is the same historical club is simply another lie.
16. UEFA, FIFA and the SFA have not accepted Green's club as the historic club because legally under Scottish law it is not the same club. In fact the SFA has treated Green's Rangers as a brand new club in the Scottish footballing system.
17. Green has provided a false legal case to ECA, falsely representing his new club as historic Rangers. ECA need to review this to uphold their own integrity.
18. The legal system in Scotland does not legally recognise Charles Green's new club as the historical Rangers FC founded in 1872. No legal claims or civil proceedings against old club would be valid against the new legal entity. That includes any issues out with corporate business issues. It is quite simply not the same football club legally.

If I was say a young junior player at Rangers in the eighteens, nineties etc,... And I wanted to sue Rangers football club for a grievance, say injury, bullying, abuse, etc.... I couldn't sue Greens new Rangers its quite simply not the same legally recognised football club under Scottish law. (This isn't a holding company nor corporate issue). It's a brand new legal entity.

Spot on.But you forget we are dealing with a club,and indeed new owner,who the press will not directly question on this matter.Why has NOT ONE reporter from the mainstream media asked the the SFA for clarification on this matter.Could it be they all know the answer?Pretty much every fan of every club would like to see this finalised.Green stated,on the day liquidation was announced,the history had gone.Traynor,a Green appointed media director,stated they were a new club in his newspaper column.Have a listen to clyde when the subject is raised,Dalziel,Johnstone(laughable i know) king et al respond with"you tell forty nine thousand fans that". Well that does not disguise the fact this is a new club.Time for clarification i think.If, as we hear every night, Clyde are bored of callers pointing out facts why not despatch one of your reporters to find out from the SFA? Why quote the ECA as if they are some sort of ruling body? Because the TRUE answer would not suit the mainstream media's agenda of Keeping the rangers fans on-side........green jhedi

Great post mate but ultimately pointless. You know it's a new club, I know it's a new club, the rest of Scotland knows it's a new club, but Rangers fans cannot accept this. They find it completely unthinkable that this is a new club, and that the team their fathers supported have gone the way of Third Lanark. They will happily live in blissful denial and cling onto any straws which might support their argument, no matter now weak.

No amount of reasoning will convince them otherwise. Even if BDO did the right think and force them to change their name AGAIN, change their crest etc they will just have the same old "everyone's against us" mentality.

In their defence though, would we really be that much different? If Celtic had gone to the wall like we so nearly did, we'd all be clinging on to the delusion that our club was still alive.

All very sad really.

The collusion of the SFA in propping up what is basically Charles Green's lies makes the SFA legally culpable.
There is now a false description on the stock exchange. People investing based on 140 years, trophies, etc.... Are being duped. The SFA by not making a formal declaration are quietly passively allowing the duping.
SDM, Craig Whyte, Charles Green, Alastair Johnston, Walter Smith, Ally McCoist, Martin Bain, Jim Traynor and several others are all on record on TV or press stating club and its history ends with failed CVA and liquidation.
The 40,000 rangers fans know it also but will go along with any clown telling them its the same club lies. The fact this nonsense wasn't nipped in the bud by SFA regarding new club and companies house regarding brand, name, logos, etc shows up both these organisations as either incompetent or scared.

It's an extremely important legal issue in Scotland. The rule of law and order or mob rule, we are the peopul.

A distressed football club in liquidation had its ASSETS sold cheaply in a questionable deal by its Owner appointed administrator. There was no business left, there was no goodwill left (these are corporate notions not football club terms). In Charles Green's words 'The history of the club, the achievements, all that will be swept aside' and so it was.

I just wonder what Paul McBride QC, taken from us so young, god rest his soul, would have judged in all of this had he still been here.
Universities, legal companies, judges, QCs, lawyers, legal students all know Green hasn't a legal leg to stand on regarding he bought history as an asset. Now the share issue is over, the SFAs plan to put it right in January will kick in.

20 Dec 2012 11:34:24
Not to bad a draw they are solid but not a vintage juve so much for my malaga winter sun wish.Turin is unlikely to be a goer as they will prob give 3000 to us tops. But i aim to book glasgow/edinburgh flights today i aint missing this for love nor money
Gally

I think we might get a bigger allocation mate..........green jhedi

Green Jedi what does there ground hold .Henke7

Their ground holds 42000 and the allowance of the front seats not in use by the rules brings that down again. The away end for serie a is fairly small so I can see 3000 for us at best
Gally

Juventus stadium holds 41,000 and they are probably the best supported team in Italy . Don't know how many season tickets they sell . ......DH

Prices for flights and hotels have doubled in the last half hour . Fkn ripoff. No direct flights.......DH

20 Dec 2012 12:21:16
Guys anyone travelling to Turin, please be careful as some of their fans, Ultras (like football casuals, only worse) have a reputation of attacking visiting fans. I hope our security advisor is on top of this.
As for draw itself, a great draw and pretty tough, but almost every tie looks tough, typical CL draw. Timalloy

Their Drughi ultras are notorious

Tim , buy the tickets and send the mrs. even those animals wouldn't attack wee women. the good lady gets a wee break and celtic get support.

20 Dec 2012 11:25:37
So it's Juve.I know the accepted scenario is away first then get them at home, but i really think in this case home first might just suit us.Lets not be blinded by the fact they are Italian and one of the great names in Europe and the Champions league.With the first leg at Celtic Park they will face an atmosphere maybe even better than the barca game.It's no myth that our players do get a lift from the fans when we are on it before and during big games,plenty European and world class players have been affected by the unique noise created by the fans.Juve will be disciplined,organised, and very difficult to break down,but i do think we can take a lead to Turin.What we will need to do is get as much pace in the team as possible,Italian teams tend to play a slower build up,and i think we might be able to catch them out.I dont think our set piece weapon will be as threatening, as they will have defenders who know how to defend,but i do think we have a chance.The certain thing is we need to keep a clean sheet to keep the fight alive.This is a massive game for the support,total backing and noise from minute one will be vital. Obviously Juve will have periods of possession,but lets stick with the team and who knows? Cannot come quickly enough for me!..........green jhedi

Spot on about clean sheet , the most important thing. then one goal over there needs two to beat it.. shammy

20 Dec 2012 11:22:19
My best friend is a Juve fan so we both wanted this match up. Can't wait to see the Hoops take another scalp, weird the rehearsal draw was exactly the same, but I hope we can keep our squad together seem like a tight knit group and if John Park has another gem or 2 to add will gladly take them. Can't get enough. -Foster88-

20 Dec 2012 11:14:47
I'm really happy about the drawing Juventus. Think we are capable of getting a result at home. I think the tie will be close and we can only be confident considering how we beat the mighty Barcelona. I see Ricardo Quaresma has been released from his contract at Besitkas. Does anyone think he might be worth a punt? Ed what wages would he have been on in Turkey?

Hail Hail

JJ Bhoy

Think I'll stick a festive tenner on Celtic at 125-1

20 Dec 2012 10:59:49
juventas , tough but they are beatable

20 Dec 2012 10:45:53
it's juve .. shammy

20 Dec 2012 10:01:07
a web site cl draw just starting.. shammy

Juve ,great draw in my opinion,glamour and a chance of going through

Dannybhoy

20 Dec 2012 00:01:33
Amazing that the Sevco5088 International Ltd followers could only raise less than half of their target, when Charles Greed, shouting from the rooftops, assured everyone that they have 500 million fans worldwide (7% of the population of the earth) and they would raise £100m from digital revenues alone, by selling live streams of fourth tier matches directly to the devices of this demographic.

I hope this doesn't go the way of, the five big wealthy middle-eastern families of investors; the £30m in the bank to spend; the nineteen signings - five of whom played at Euro 2012; renaming the training ground as soon as the season tickets were bought; signing up with Adidas to become the biggest name in their portfolio; hooking up with the Dallas Cowboys in a colossal merchandising tie-in; not returning to the SPL; having 'rangersitis' and not leaving until they have WON the Champions League; winning the Champions League whilst remaining debt-free and implementing a 33% wage cap; quietly removing the £1m crossbar challenge when no-one was looking ...................... and a litany of other moonbeams.

Charles Greed - he certainly talks a good game.

Brilliant mate. Get that posted on they're site for the banter lol

Reading today he won't leave until CL music plays at Ibrox. But won't join SPL or an spl2 ever. Given you need to win SPL to join CL, makes him look a clown.

Read his statements and company description to stock exchange pre floatations yesterday. It says Rangers in third division but Board and Manager want to be in top flight as soon as possible! Guess they confuse themselves silly Boys.