Celtic Banter Archive February 01 2013

01 Feb 2013 16:34:55
This new Rangers Monopoly¦

When you buy a property, do you actually own it all or is there a floating charge over it held by someone but nobody knows quite who?

Does it have New Kent Rd(since everythings new), Whitechurch (since the hordes can't bear the sight of the word ˜chapel'), Lord Marlborough, The Strained, Bond Issue St, Celtic Park Lane and Itsnofair?

Does the set of 4 stations include the one serving Ibrox that's not been built yet?

¦and instead of ˜street repairs', does one of the Chance cards read, ˜you are assessed for asbestos remediation repairs'¦?

¦and instead of just ˜pay income tax £100², does one of the Community Chest cards read, ˜pay all your debts of £134m'?

Careful of Bow St as there's a magistrates court there.

And careful of Pentonville ¦ Mr Whyte.
A post from Paul McConville's site that might amuse somebody.

Paddy Malarkey

The pieces you play with might be interesting. A bowler hat, a bag marked swag, a wee metal sash and a black sock with a red top might work. . . green jhedi

I want to be the little referee piece, and land on the Freemason temple: congratulations for two red cards against Celtic you've won lucrative contracts for your double glazing and joinery businesses.

Or the fourth official piece landing on kilmarnock's stadium. .

01 Feb 2013 14:59:06
This Is based from the Tax and money made in 2012
1. china
2. India
3. Germany
4. Japan
5. USA
6. Scotland( if you only count Scotland without the rest of GB)
7. Russia
8. Brazil
9. GB(great britain)
10. Spain

What you Bhoys think of Independence? I'll defo be voting yes. We'll have a better standard of living than the rest of the UK if we do it. Alba gu bràth! FifeBhoy1888

Love to see it happen but it would need to be total division from the UK. This half assed nonsense Salmond preaches is laughable. Then their is the financial aspect, namely where will the money come from to run the show? Please don't say OIL! Inside a year they would be Fracking the highlands apart. If the country agree to it it should be a long, maybe five years, period of getting the set up right. Oh, and as an aside, you can say goodbye to Catholic schools. . green jhedi

Don't buy into that mate, 30% of workforce work for the public sector, and last thing we need is more politicians

I've been looking into this as obviously it's a very important vote.

I don't really agree with this having our own Parliament, Laws and Legal system, if we are going to be Independent then it should not be this half-hearted affair it is just now with Westminster having the fiscal and economic powers.

Lets face it, when the UK Government talk about Economic growth, they mean London and the South East. Scotland seems to be only here to be the guinea pig for Poll Tax etc.

I believe one of the arguments against Independence is there a gap between spending and revenue in Scotland but if the gap exists why are English Politicians so keen to hang onto Scotland?

Britishness is on its way out and I'll be voting YES ~ Mrs E

Look at it this way. What does England bring to the table with regards to manufacturing? Least Scotland has oil, whiskey also brings in millions. I say vote yes and go it alone

I agree with jehdi's last sentence, will we as a religion get a fair crack of the whip. we are still being asked what school we went to or what team we support when we go for a job, do you think this will get better with independence?. Remember the guy that assaulted Neil at Tynecastle, where was the justice there.
Tambhoy

Oil revenues (and gas) does not cover the expenditure required each year in Scotland. Almost every county in Scotland, the two highest employers are the council and the NHS. Both requiring funded by tax earned where? These counties are in serious and negative equity. As is the nation.

Jhedi, catholic schools are not soley catholic anymore anyway. I pick up my grand kids from the local catholic school. none of my kids are catholic. there are indian, pakistani, chinese, thai. there must be at least 8 different denominations coming out of those gates. and that is simply because they are better schools with better disipline. shammy

@Shammy; I was not making the point as a catholic mate, I am an atheist, but more about State control. This was a major selling point for the SNP of around twenty - Thirty years ago to garner the larger protestant vote. People should be free to educate their kids in whatever way they choose. . . green jhedi

Everyoe seems to be harping on about gas and oil do you not realise that once upon a time the great british government sold the rites in the north sea to the highest bidder we don't own anything up there now all an independent scotland could perhaps get is the tax and vat also things like national gold deposits were sold off when it was at its lowest price because of the recession aswell, of course we all would love to be an independent country but i'm afraid it just doesn't add up folks, shipyards would close all english and foreign businesses would pull out england would see to that { remember they have bigger unemployment issues than us }

@9. that's not really true.

The offshore industry delivers huge sums of tax money to the Treasury - possibly as much as £54bn in the next six years and is not something Westminster would happily give up.

At the same time, Alex Salmond knows how much north sea oil could do for the Scottish economy - Norway's oil-fuelled state pension fund hit the 3 trillion kroner (£324bn) mark in 2010.

Billions of barrels of oil have been pumped from the North Sea since the mid-70s and it is believed between 25 and 30 billion could still be recovered over the next 40 years.

During the 70's, a period of significant oil discoveries in the north sea, the UK government of the day did consider a suggestion to buy the north sea's major fields from BP.

This was ruled out largely because of concerns over state interference.

The only argument with North Sea oil is designating Scottish & English waters ~ Mrs E

To the posts what does England bring to the table, we should be asking what really does Scotland bring to the table.
I'm Scottish with Irish decent, but the only decent argument I've heard is we will qualify for money from Europe like Spain etc. which to me is pathetic.
Oil revenue is tied up and we would become a begging country and I would consider going abroad if this was to happen, because Scotland alone is nothing but a wee bitter, bigoted country. jj

Ive lived in england 30 odd years. so don't really have a say, but all things considered I would say yes. its always better to be able to make up your own mind about everything. here in the north of england they could do with a bit more say as well. in truth the part of the uk which has gained most independence is london. its becoming like a city state. everybody in the uk needs to wake up to the massive transference of resources currently going on. go for it scotland i'd say. I mean you wouldn't want to let your next door neighbour run your life just because he's got a bigger hoose!
yorkiebhoy.

JJ. in the West of Scotland there is a mindset that wants you to believe that.

Scotland as a whole is not a 'wee bitter bigoted Country' and its deeply insulting to assume that. How many voters do you think there are in Scotland? I can guarantee the large majority of them are neither bitter nor biggoted.

We are ruled by a Head of State that was not voted in and a Government based in England. Its not working and its time for change ~ Mrs E

02 Feb 2013 11:37:38
Get rid of politicians, agencies, beurocrats, hereditory rulers, big business, big pharma, borders, money, paper work and permits, licenses and forms, secret societies, the police, get the nuclear weapons down a cone volcano (along with those above potentialy guilty of crimes against life) and then, at the very least, we might be going somewhere.
pea

What is the point in voting for independance from Westminster to then hand over all powers to Brussels? This is just about politicians with inflated ego`s.
chasaboy

Mrs E, I agree with you to a certain degree, but a guy attacks Neil Lennon in front of thousands at a football ground, & watched world wide on tv and a not proven verdict was given, and that happened in the east side of the country.
I also do work for a retired school head teacher, who was telling me about someone's daughter getting a divorce, and not knowing my religion, then said that's these Catholics for you. jj

01 Feb 2013 12:51:09
Good article from a sane rangers fan.

www. wsc. co. uk/wsc-daily/1156-january-2013/9342-rangers-boycott-of-dundee-united-is-poorly-timed

Rangers' boycott of Dundee United is poorly timed
Club are blaming the wrong people
31 January ~ So much for the Cup providing a big day out for lower-league fans. On Saturday Rangers face their hardest fixture of the campaign, their first away match to an SPL club since re-forming, with no backing. Rangers supporters' groups initiated a boycott of the Scottish Cup trip to Dundee United and Ibrox chief executive Charles Green, who attended his first Rangers match last May, quickly made it official. The stated reason is United chairman Stephen Thompson's vocal opposition to the new Rangers company entering the SPL last summer.
There's also United's refusal to refund gate money for a previous SPL meeting abandoned at half time due to weather conditions. I can't remember what anyone else in Scotland was saying last summer as I was too busy listening to the sound of my club being liquidated. However, I did hear fellow Rangers fans declaring themselves happy to "serve our time" in the lower leagues. I also remember us taking our usual 5,000-7,000 to Tannadice a few times between the abandoned match of November 2009 and liquidation in 2012. The timing of this action seems as flawed as the reasoning behind it. ¨¨
United fans threatened to boycott season ticket sales if their board voted the Rangers newco into the SPL. This threat angered many Rangers fans but choosing to imitate it seems the crassest way of registering your objection. The match is live on TV, so the home club will make a profit regardless. And surely the best way to annoy United, who've been shipping goals all season and lost their manager on Monday, is by denying them the further riches of the semi-final and final. Rangers already bridged the gap between Scotland's bottom and top flights with September's League Cup defeat of Motherwell. The last thing United fans wanted is half their tight, 14,000-capacity stadium turned into a celebration of what the SPL is missing. ¨¨
A new Ibrox habit of applauding opponents off the pitch speaks of the humility displayed by many bluenoses since the club re-formed. Erroneous tax case blogs, Scottish football's internecine governing bodies, opposing fans and chairmen expressing their democratic right to uphold sporting integrity; none of these things liquidated Rangers yet they remain the focus of a vengeful, misplaced campaigning ire among large sections of the support.
¨¨Green, who recently raised over £22 million of investment through a share issue, eases his tenure by pandering to the angriest noises. Simultaneously, this veneer of empathy “ also adopted by the infamous Craig Whyte while he drove the old Rangers into the ground “ guarantees plenty of free advertising for the brand via tabloid headlines.
United have retained a section for away fans, Rangers will donate their share of gate receipts to charity. When home punters don Whyte masks to mock the few hundred boycott-breakers it may seem like the inevitable result of the scattergun bitterness which enabled Rangers' liquidation “ staying away from your team because your anger needs you more. Some of us hope it's actually the end of Rangers blaming others for our own problems. And that there's a replay. Alex Anderson


Ian

There are many proper fans who feel like this, it could be my mate writing it, who are getting sick of the whole situation. I posted a couple of weeks ago my own mate bought a season ticket for him and his boy this season, he thought the whole new rangers thing might mean an end to the worst part of the old. Between green and a certain section of the support he is fed up with the persecution nonsense being pedalled around ibrox. A telling piece though I thought. . . green jhedi

Fair play to the guy. In all honesty though, how much praise can you give someone for basically using common sense?

The part about Rangers still going in large numbers to tannadice for 3 years after the ticket fiasco is constantly rubber eared by the zombies. I've asked a few of them that and got nothing but mumbles back.

They're a joke, its as simple as that. Stumbling about looking for a leader/speaker to show them who to boycott next. They're not interested in why, or in looking for the reasons why themselves. Sheep! Angry sheep!

To be honest, I would love it if there was a replay! I am sure there wouldn't be a boycott then! So would be nice to see if the Arabs would get paid this time, as I am sure they are still waiting for half the gate from last seasons 14000 gate at ibrox! But hopefully be some good coin for United!

01 Feb 2013 11:48:03
So ED, another transfer window gone. What did you make of it. I'm disappointed we didn't sign a good forward to help us defeat Juve. Delighted we kept big VIC, not sure about the Hooper situation though. We have to build a team for Europe. Lets face facts, our league form has been very average and we're still out of sight. I hate this buying of players at the last minute. Players need time to settle into accommodation, surroundings, gel with new team mates etc. In an ideal world all out signings should be in situ by start of pre season training 2013 not 31st August 2013. I feel that by the time they settle a quarter of a season is over and Europe could be a memory.

Bad Bhoy. {Ed007's Note - I think the major objective of the window was to hold onto our best players, we have done that and added a couple of players. Overall I am happy the way things went although I would have liked an attacking/flair player brought in to add some spark to the MF.}

Celtic have not bought a "Name" player for a few years. Unless you count the likes of Ljungberg. Wanyama Hooper Ledly Mathews Wilson Mulgrew Izzy Lustig etc were all realative obscure. A bit like Gershorn and Rogic.

I got told today that Liverpool enquired about Big Vic late on in the day yesterday. Was the customer talking BS ed?

Jungle Bhoy. {Ed007's Note - Yes mate.}

We sent out a job message in the handling of Gary hooper given he has only 18months remaining. I'm glad we didn't sell him now- the temptation to must have been huge.

We could pull in less than we were offered this window but have taken a robust stance showing that we will only sell on our terms.

Hooper has done very well for us, as we have him, but he signed the contract, the bottom line is the guy loves scoring goals and will continue to do so for us for whatever time he's here. The prospect of a move will be motivation for him also.

We may lose some value from hooper but it has shown clubs interested in the other players that they need to be serious if they want them anytime before we are ready to part with them. I'm really happy about that.

Did the Noring deal get finalised ed?

Jamie mac

01 Feb 2013 10:56:37
Has anyone seen the episode of the Simpsons "Marge vs the monorail" the baddie is a guy called Lyle Lanley he reminds of somebody but I just can't remember who. Ticman

"Monorail!, monorail! monorail!". .
Classic episode mate - I loved the Simpsons back in the day!
For anyone that doesn't know, the guy is a schyster / con-man who sells Springfield a dodgy monorail and does a bunk with the D'oh!
When I think back now, to how he sells his plan to them in the form of a running sing-song - it reminds me of Craig Whyte walking triumphantly along to Ibrox with their fans, glazed look in his straight eye!. . .
If only they new then eh?!. . . kbt1978

Warchests warchests warchests
Not one but two
It wasn't SDM that was duped it was Jabba and Jackson.

At least one brain dead slob has been given a cushy job.

Melb Bhoy

01 Feb 2013 07:52:34
Well done Celtic and most of all Lenny this window shows your not gona be pushed or bullied in your very bright future as a top manger I know that the board has the final say but I get the funny feeling that he has got more power than most that's been in the hot seat in paradise, now what we need is a clear head from all at cp and get focused of the job in hand without any distractions for juva, so this smorning I'm a happy tim and have a bit more faith in the team I love, jodrok

01 Feb 2013 01:07:58
Is it true mccoist attended the meeting of the sfl clubs today to make sure that the reconstruction plans did not happen? It seems he delivered a speech in a bid to sway the vote. I was under the impression that this club did not have voting rights. It seems his powers may be on the wane as it was voted through convincingly. So we have them still owing football debts, awaiting the Nimmo results, Taking players through court regarding TUPE contracts transfer, the sfa informing the eca that all is well down piebrox way and their manager allowed to stick his face into a meeting where he should not be allowed to vote! Is it just me or is this not getting ridiculous? If Nimmo finds they are guilty, and I can't see how he cannot considering they were found guilty in some EBT cases, I wonder what soft penalty the sfa will dream up? Oh, that's right, the sfa gave them a kicking did they not!. . . . green jhedi {Ed007's Note - By the time the bell went for playtime he had done an Elvis and left the building GJ. His slug-like gargling fell on deaf, intelligent ears.}

There's no way they would have listened and I can imagine how patronising any speech from Ally would have sounded.

Reconstruction in a couple of years will have no effect on Rangers and the SFL Clubs will know that. As Ed said, intelligent ears can see (or hear) through Ally & Charles Green's agenda ~ Mrs E

The FTTT findings have absolutely no legal effect on the registration of players question. In fact if FTTT decided that players EBTs were ok for tax purposes, its even more reason they should NOT have been hidden from SPL and SFA during registration.
The FTTT in Nimmo-smiths tribunal is a complete red herring. Don't believe paper talk by zombies.

01 Feb 2013 00:13:52
actually think doyle would have been great signing seen him play for ireland a lot plays with heart of a lion creates lots with his running and scores great goals coulda been great for europe

Not so sure mate, maybe a couple of years ago he looked like a player but last season he was posted missing for wolves and hardly scored at all, spends most of his time on the bench now, don't think he's in the same class as the players we have now, prefer Shane Long.

To be honest long or doyle would have difficulty getting onto 50% of the SPL teams. Traps head is up his self importanced AR@E.