Celtic Banter Archive October 19 2014

19 Oct 2014 21:33:12
Peter Lawwell actually got more than £1m.

He got 300 k of B shares!

19 Oct 2014 22:43:31
Who cares what he got?? He is doing a great job as the head of Scotland's biggest, most successful and longest running club! Go back to the dark side where you belong!

19 Oct 2014 23:19:39
Davie cause u don't agree dosn't mean he's a currant bun. For how poor we were last season in the cl and the domestic cups it is a lot of money he got for bonuses

19 Oct 2014 23:39:27
Gunnie, I agree. it's too easy for me to say that. However. ever just get a wee feeling????? Anyways, Ross Co. Good performance. Good pressing. But this is my problem. apprtly Barca were told ye had 5 secs to win the ball back. This is Scotland. I really like RD AND I GENUINELY WISH HIM ALL THE BEST. It's just my way of thinking is that you can't chase a ball down for 90 mins. (which we dinny have to do in the SPL). FACT IS. I just don't know.

Davie you are out of line my man. I am celtic through and through. Here's one for you. Why was Lawwell on the same flight as me to Malaga the day before our first Europa League match at celtic park? Looked to Me like he couldn't give a toss about celtic! Surely he should have been at the game Supporting the team and the manager.

Seems to be an issue with a segment of people on this- if you go againist the grain and voice your concerns at running of club, you are either not a true supporter or from the dark side. Its as bad as this same segment not accepting Likes of Delia, strachan, jansen, venglos when they first took over cause they had no prior connection with club or were not Irish.

I have learned over past few weeks Sacktheboard, that its better to ignore this mob than to rise to the bait.

DN 30, I am confident that Ronny will be a big success at Celtic. He has come in and
totally changed the structure of the club, for the better I might add. It seems if you are not celtic minded that you don't get a fair Crack of the whip. Lennon left because he was not capable of making the players better. He wanted to buy his way to glory, but having Sanctioned the signing of Pukki and Balde I would not trust him to deliver. In Ronny we trust.

Sack The Board, I agree mate. Ronny will turn club around. The ones slating him are quick to forget he inheritated a squad that at times last season scraped by, was in adequate in standard of strikers and some of this squad was injured causing problems (hence stale start to season).

Delia turned a mediocre team in stromsgodset into a league winning team within a few seasons with virtually no financial assistance. He has to clean up mess left by lennon (oops forgot apparently not allowed to slate lennon) and with virtually no backing from board, he has a fair task on his hands.

Sacktheboard it shouldn't matter if Lawwell is at the game or not . He isn't employed by Celtic for his football knowledge . He should get all his instructions from the football people .
If Ronnie turns it round and I think he may well do so, I hope Lawwell isn't given the chance to use his football knowledge which is purely amateur .

19 Oct 2014 20:18:36
I read an article that Lennys main targets are Hooper Commons and Stokes. Would people be happy to see stokes leave? Shame we chose to buy Sceptovic instead of Kramaric this guy looks impressive and we blown our chance now for the way we handled the deal so who would people like signed if Stokes left?

19 Oct 2014 21:40:55
Hail hail

Wouldn't be devastated to see the back of Stokes.

Scepovic needs as much time as a new manager but I do think we probably were going for whoever was cheaper. Read a while back Krmaric's agent saying we left them standing in the rain in Glasgow. Thing is he probably is being literal!

Think a wing forward would be what we need to replace Stokes and play along side Guidetti in the current set-up.

19 Oct 2014 23:21:11
Wouldn't bother about losing stokes tbh he has 1 good game out of every 10 games and we all know what his european scoring record is like

Stokes is very replaceable - as is most of the current squad; however he is forming a very good partnership with Izzy, that has created goals.
Would like to see the back of Berget, Mulgrew and the injury prone Forrest, Kayal, Boerighter and Mathews - but that's too good to be true.

I would keep Matthews and Forrest to see if they benefit from RD's new methods

I would let Berget and Derk go but I would be loathe to let anyone else go until we are happy we have better replacements . In very many of the European Games Stokes has played we haven't been able to have many players supporting the attack and it hasn't been easy for the like of Stokes to play well and score.

He hold the ball up well and links play well think since he's polished off his all round game he's list his scoring touch or confidence as he's usually got his back to goal most of the game. Agree with Forrest, We should've cashed in on him while we had the chance too injury prone! Derk to go too would like Anya in place of him. Think we need a good creative midfielder and a beast of a CDM like Wanyama was

19 Oct 2014 16:45:33
Watched goals on sunday this morning with Di Canio, that guy is pure entertainment and what a player I loved him. Maybe someday he could manage us but I doubt it, what passion the guy has I know he got problems but doesn't everyone. It occurred to me that's what is missing from our team at the moment. Passion, desire and commitment.Also was interesting was the fact he said Sunderland signed 11 players in the summer when he was manager and not 1 of them was his choice. How football is changing.Is it happenin at our club too?

Wouldn't have him near CP as a manger just un needed bad publicity! WS a cracking player though!

Bet the stadium would be full though the guy is pure box office.

19 Oct 2014 16:21:12
Does Peter Lawwell 'deserve' his £400k bonus? I think the easy answer is definitely not but in all honesty, I've no idea
'(

What's the going rate for bonuses in a Club the size of Celtic and what were his objectives set out by his employers? Nae idea myself

To the board he does as he is good at selling big and replacing small. So in business terms he's keeping us financially strong but domestically deteriorating, that won't last forever as the quality we are getting for the ever decreasing fees we are paying means we won't have stars to sell for 10m we will be lucky to get half that for some of the squad now. The constant diluting will affect the chances of the CL qualification too so I doubt next seasons bonus will be so generous

To be honest, I actually thought his basic wage was more than what it is.

Totally agree, where is he going to earn his bonus going into the next few seasons? Other than VVD or Scott Brown (maybe) what players can we sell for decent cash and he has no CL money!

19 Oct 2014 15:21:21
Hello

for me the difference yesterday was that the central midfield was not falling back on top of our two centre backs, IE there was more "space" between all parts of the team which meant we more often had more advanced options.

This season, we have looked a little scrunched together with centre halves overtaking central midfielders and full backs playing like right or left sided centre halves (ambrose being main culprit)

The players seemed to be happy on the ball yesterday and the running off the ball was a lot better.

Johansen's choice of passing (or should I say array of passing) was a surprise and seeing him so far forward was interesting.

Winning 5-0 against ross country and losing at home against hamilton is perplexing; does RD know what made the difference. Was it tactical? Was it circumstances plain and simple, IE the early goal and the quick 2nd sets the tone for the remainder of the match.


ED did you see any change or shift yesterday that resulted in CFC looking more effective?

Hopefully a good momentum going in to Thursday

Although we payed well the simple answer for me is Ross County were rotten while Accies battled for everything and had energy and a game plan.We stuggle against teams that know what their doing as we don't seem to know what we are doing and play off the cuff with no plan, just a system.

{Ed007's Note - The simple answer is we put away chances yesterday, Ray. Off the top off my head, yesterday we had less shots at goal and less on target than we did against Hamilton. See the difference when our strikers are more clinical and 'lucky' in front of goal? Although it was a terrible result I don't think the loss to Hamilton is as big a deal, in the bigger picture, as some people have made it out to be.
No surprise to me in the 'Ross County were rotten' shouts from some quarters, 2-0 down within 15 mins means they were rotten, not that we were good.}

For me the difference was Johansen playing in the advanced role instead of commons Johansen play's with more energy looked for a pass in the final third instead of looking to shoot ala commons which I hate because he's just not that great at it but he will probs get back in once his injury clears up as usual

Ed they are bottom of the league for a reason they are rotten.Accies played well against us though we had loads a chances.But taking chances is a skill and unfortunately we don't have much of that at the moment.

{Ed007's Note - So we didn't play well yesterday, it was Ross County that were so bad, got you now. Accies wouldn't have came back from being 2-0 after 15 minutes either.}

@Big D can u tell me how many goals you wudexpect Johanssen to score in that position compared to Commons.

I didn't say we never played well if you read an earlier post I congratulated the team and manager. All I sayin is when we up against a team up for it and battle aganst us we struggle.Interestingly enough its noticeable on here that Mulgrew gets slaughtered most of the time the player of the year 2 yrs ago.Our current player of the year Commons is getting it strong and so is lennon a man who took us to last 16 of CL yet Strachan gets lauded for it.Lennon also has brung in the most money a manager has ever done in our history yet RD gets all your support and he can't even beat the dross in our league.Transitional or not we can surely beat this lot.No excuses.

{Ed007's Note - I don't think we played any better than we did against Accies considering the opposition in both matches, the only differences was we put away our chances yesterday, and we didn't against Accies. Losing 2 early goals would have taken the wind out of Accies sails just as it did yesterday against Ross County.
Against Accies we had 7 shots on target and couldn't score, yesterday we had 6 shots on target and scored 5 of them, how's any that RD's fault? It's hardly as if Accies played us off the park.
I'll leave the rest of your rant for others to disect, you're going off at all different tangents and prattling on about stuff we aren't even discussing. If you're a Charlie Mulgrew fan you're either a) Charlie Mulgrew b) Neil Lennon or c) a One Dircetion fan.}

Maybe I did go off a bit ed but it still a relevant point as Rd gets away with it because he new. If lennon got these results he would be slaughtered. As I said earlier putting the all in the net is a skill, you can make all the chances in the world but pointless if you can't put them away and its all to evident we not doing that often enough.You seriously can't tell me you like what you see this season.

{Ed007's Note - I'm enjoying this season better than I did the last 1, possibly 2, under NL, I'm excited by the prospect of having a modern thinking manager who has a proven track record of producing young players. I'll not lie to you, mate, I love managers like Klopp, Wenger, van Gaal and Marcelo Bielsa, managers who plan things meticulously and study the game from all different angles, they live and breathe the game striving for improvement, RD does the same, he is an intelligent man, do you really think he just pulled the changes he's made from thin air? They are methods and techniques being used by the biggest and best clubs in Europe. I always thought we were one of them, how many times have I mentioned small club mentality before? CFC are now doing what teams like Ajax have been doing for years and there are fans moaning about it, it's ludicrous!
Listening to RD speak he is on a different planet to NL for sheer knowledge of the game, maybe RD should have blamed the ref or the press for our defeat to Accies?
RD came in and changed a couple of things (that's all it was) in player's diet (proven methods) to help them improve their fitness etc, NL went into Bolton and banned tammies and gloves from training, RD wants his players to improve as footballers and as athletes, to be at their physical peak at all times and who has provided a proven program to help them improve their fitness and stamina. NL's stopping his player's keeping warm during training (don't you lose 80% of your body heat through your head???), so you tell me who knows more about football?
So why did NL not get slaughtered for his cup record, which would be laughable if it wasn't so serious? What did NL do in his first season, yet he didn't get slaughtered, we gave him time.
Everybody has been screaming for a change in style, formation, system, whatever you want to call it, but when someone comes in and tries to do it their are fans not willing to give him any time to do it. NL got away with a lot more in a week than RD has in 3/4 months. Why didn't you want NL sacked after any our numerous cup f**k ups? That's right it was the refs fault we lost to Killie in the League Cup final!!
Blame Deila if you want but this is the impact of long term neglect, not short term shambles. RD is trying to clean up NLs mess, just as WGS did after O'Neill.
The minute the club contacted WGS to come back as a mentor to NL was the minute everyone, including NL, and more importantly the board, knew he couldn't do the job.
Here's a little scenario for you to consider, what if RD being brought in as NL's No.2 was nonsense? What if RD was being brought in with the intention of him taking over in summer 2015, NL would have still been manager on paper but he would do the job of helping RD get to grips with the Scottish game and helping him settle. John Park was to be moved into a Director of Football role. It was a whole structural change and I'm not 100% convinced it's over yet, I think we might still see an important appointment.
What if gradually RD would be calling the shots and taking more and more responsibility whilst NL continued with his media work and courting a job in England. Did Mjallby not leave to become a manager in his own right and why did he leave when he did? Was that when the new 'masterplan' was put forward and big Mjallby didn't have a job in the new set-up?
No matter who came in as manager RD would have been involved somewhere, that decision was made at boardroom level with the help of John Park.
Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities. Truth isn't.
You might not agree with any of that but you have to give me credit for typing that on a tablet! So excuse any spelling mistakes.}}

Ed you know what I think about the cups it about the league and CL now period.Funny all the managers you mention they ain't won much recently.You can talk the talk and diets and stuff but no team has ever won anything because of their diet its because of their ability and bein able to put a team together.

{Ed007's Note - Sorry mate, that's BS. At CFC it's about winning, it's about winning leagues aAND cups, it's about winning doubles and trebles, it's about partying all day and night after a cup final, it's about a pride in your team, hurts like hell watching us lose to Rangers or Killie in the LC final. Did you walk out of Hampden saying it doesn't matter, we might get in the CL next season? No you didn't because we didn't win the league the year Rangers beat us at Hampden, NL's first season.
That's a ludicrous train of thought from any CFC fan, you don't want to see us overtake Rangers record of trophies? They can't add to it and I can't see us doing it with CL/EL trophies.
RD won the Norwegian league last season, does that mean he's better than van Gaal? You're saying they've not won much recently, neither has NL mate, that was the problem.}

Rayman sorry missed your response to answer your question I think Johansen would get maybe 6 - 10 from there but I wouldn't mind that I would rather he was passing to other player's i.e. the striker than trying to shoot from outside the box and fluff it wide like commons usually does I'll ask u a question now what's commons shot's to goal's ratio from outside the box bet it ain't great that's why I would rather someone passed to the striker let them score the goal's that's their job.

@Big D can you remind me how many Commons scored last season and he prob had loads o assists too.Dont think SJ would get anywhere near it.Ed of course losin cup final hurts, I just sayin they take 3rd place now to CL and league.As iin an earlier post I would much rather go to a CL game against Barca etc than a cup final against Killie.I not really interested in how many cups now as its all about 10 in a row now and and beating the now defunct club.just my opinion and I sure there are many like me.

{Ed007's Note - If you're only winning the league you aren't dominating IMO, I want to see us rattling up the trophy count. The amount of doubles and trebles we have should be much higher. Would you consider CFC the dominant force in Scottish football over the last 2/3 years? The leagues took care of themselves but do you think we have dominated the Scottish game the way Rangers did doing their 9 in a row? Not winning a cup last season still riles me (and I'm not easily riled as you know) we should have had at least a double with no real challenge.
Winning trophies helps build team morale, it helps the team's reputation and teams will start to fear playing us, players get used to winning and that installs a winning mentality in them, winning becomes a habit and that helps the team grow and develop.
If NL's CV had more cup wins he might have got a better job in England and not waited so long, Barca was 2 years ago, last season they obliterated us.
Chairman in England know the league is a gimme, so they're looking at what did NL do to make himself shine out last season? He can't live off the back of the Barca result forever, popping up with a CV with a couple of doubles and a treble while qualifying and playing in the CL looks a lot better, wouldn't you agree?
I totally get what you're saying about playing in the CL and the money and glamour involved, Ray, but I think you are undervaluing the domestic cups importance in the grand scheme of things. We're CFC, we shouldn't 'do' losing trophies that are winnable to us, every trophy is important to me, I want to see us win them all, winning a treble every season and qualifying for the last 16 of the CL, I might, and note the might, even break into a smile if we do that!}

Ed I wasn't talking about the barca result as such I talking about the kudos of playin in the CL. You mention the teams reputation, is playin in the CL every year not do that better than beatin Killie in the league cup.How many fans will turn up to watch that every year compared to going to CL games. Not to mention the money, how will winnin the league cup get us better players, if we playin in the CL we are going to get a better calibre of player comin not to mention the vital money. Imagine we never played in the CL last 2 years that prob the best part of 50m missin from the coffers can you imagine the calbre of player we would a had without that. We got loads o complaints on here about the quality of player we have brought in with that money.Just as a side thought I wonder who won the Slovenian cup last season.

{Ed007's Note - ND Gorica beat Maribor 2-0 in the final, and I bet RD knew that! Didn't you read up on Maribor before we played them? In a CL game as well, for shame, Ray, for shame!}

Had a feelin you would a known that lol, but can your average fan of a CL team have any idea of that result? I don't think so but I think they could tell you most of the CL results.

{Ed007's Note - I didn't know lol I did know Maribor were the beaten finalists though.}

19 Oct 2014 10:09:48
Is it true ed celtic Could sign Guidetti for free in January

{Ed007's Note - Not unless Man City release him, we can offer him a pre-contract in January but so can every other non-English club.}