Celtic Banter Archive November 18 2014

 

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18 Nov 2014 21:50:09
Ronny if you could bring back young Andrew Robertson that would be great!

Cheers in advance

Love always

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18 Nov 2014 22:17:05
Reading today, not one of the daily rags that fourteen Rangers fans have been arrested following a mass brawl at the recent match against Livingston inside the ground.not one of the main newspapers could be bothered reporting the incident, wonder why.just thought I would let you all know.killy.

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@mrs e you'll need to draft the wee man into your list to santa. Really pleased he got a goal tonight he deserved it from his recent efforts. I think it would be the old nick you'd have to contact to push the deal through right enough!

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{Ed007's Note - Add Robertson to our squad and swap Griffiths for Stevie May (not literally, but they cost the same initial fees) and we'd have seen an immediate improvement in our squad. From what I've seen of Scepovic so far I'd even take Stevie May over him as a squad player, we'd maybe have struggled a bit in the EL with Guidetti being ineligible but we know May will score goals in the SPFL.}

May for his age, talent, proven spl record and low risk asking price should of been a no-brainier. Even if he was used sporadically as a squad player, signed on a 3yr deal and sold after 2 i'd be confident he would of chipped in with 10+ goals a season and could have been moved on for 1-1.5m worst case to the English championship covering his wage and some.
I like what I have seen from Robertson and he has lined up well against a team of players playing in a division above him. Sorry to whip the carpet but if he is playing in England, played well against England and is still so young then he won't be north of the border unless he is visiting now.

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Robertson is a good footballer, but tonight he didn't play well as a left back

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I agree Chris that he didn't cover himself in glory defensively but the attacking threat on the left was the only highlight of the game for me, which he did play a part of.
For the Chamberlain goal I think Hanley had the time to back up and track the flight of the ball and Robertson should have been there to press behind considering that there was no other advancing England player wide left to draw him out of position. Saying that the ball into the box was world class and the run and finish were good. Miss kick set up for Rooney for the second and I think we were passed out the game for the 3rd goal. On the whole the team was pretty poor against a better side. The amount of missed passes wasn't good enough and I don't think many of the players would be happy with the performance.

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18 Nov 2014 21:39:36
Driving in car listening to game. Half time commentary in full pelt and in the background scotland fans are signing. Sounds great atmosphere, however problem I have is I can't remember words to song they are singing cause those annoying ba$tards that sell claim back ppi services have raped it! "Payment protection scotland is the team!" Absolute idiots for ruining song!

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Hampden is a midden needing ditched.

The atmosphere on Friday was fantastic and it was mental when Scotland scored.

I'm not saying turn Celtic Park into our National Stadium but Hampden has to go! (there a poll for Ed001)

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{Ed007's Note - I've left him a note.}

Have to admit I caught myself slipping into the ppi advert lyrics. corporate conditioning :-)

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18 Nov 2014 21:28:45
Stevie May but Guidetti will :) I'll get my coat.

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{Ed007's Note - That's a yellow card, that's terrible. (doh)

18 Nov 2014 18:17:13
Just catching up on my social media timeline and seen some of Glasgow's sleazier boozers are full of Engerlund fans. I wonder how the "horrified" zombies feel now after giving it large to Hoops supporters that wanted Ireland to win on Friday. Doughballs. I guarantee the booing of their national anthem will be down to sectarianism and bigotry and the usual "victims" will be out in force to reassur us how offended they are. The Engerlund right wing lunatic fringe should provide a few songs to get folk "outraged" as well. I saw earler MrsE having a go at the type of folk as well, they get right on my last nerve. complete people who must sit and scower the internet for something to get on their high horse and get upset about. It's getting to the point that if you don't like something you just add on that it offends you and that makes it more serious. This post was brought to you by Stella Artois & with an upcoming guest appearance of Smirnoff.

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Och don't even start me on the booing lol

Shower of persons, mortally offended by booing at a football match - precious wee souls. I know as well as anyone, the football terraces are totally unforgiving and I know most of us have played our part in that. Get you tube on, watch ROI v Scotland May 30th 2000, everytime Neil McCann or his Club team mate touches the ball boooooooooo.

End of the day, Ireland were the away team on Friday regardless of the venue. Have these precious wee souls never been in an away end at a football match before? Also see if you are an away fan and have to sit with home fans at a competitive match - well c'mon let's call a spade a spade here, its no happenin.


All this about the referendum as well, what evidence does anyone have that fans singing Flower of Scotland voted No. I certainly sang it and will sing it again. No voters would love to see the end of Flower of Scotland and we can all just sing GSTQ, not a chance in hell.

England National Anthem - BOOOOOO!

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{Ed007's Note - I've not seen that one about FOS/No vote, that's a cracker :)

I do want us to 'be a nation again' so will be a cold day in hell before I sing some Union sh*t!

(just my view mind)

:-)

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{Ed007's Note - Madness.}

And before I can accused of being 'anti' anything, I'm just Pro-Scotland.

Where anyone comes from makes no difference to me, as long as you are nice.

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18 Nov 2014 20:07:57
Hi fellow Tims. I have mixed feelings watching the Scotland game tonight. Its good for us that it is a full house but it just reminds me of what it should be like again at our home games.Let's hope that our great days return.

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18 Nov 2014 17:09:33
Look down the page and you'll notice nobody is using the agree and disagree buttons now (rofl) Kind of proves the point that we all know better than too disagree with a woman!

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18 Nov 2014 16:41:18
Jamiebhoy it just goes to show that you don't need to have been a superstar to be a top coach. Celtic are lucky to have Stevie woods and respect to whoever promoted him into the job

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Totally agree Gerry mate a mean introducing yoga to GK when you think of stretching etc. it would seem everyone would be into it, as far as I am aware he is the most respected coach @ Celtic by the hierarchy it is really why a never doubted the CG situ we handed him a 2 + 1 year deal (option) if there had been any real doubts they would have did the same as Mlouyoko (spelling) an only handed him a year IMO atvb jb7

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Jamiebhoy, perhaps C G refused the offer of one year from Celtic . If you remember the discussions seemed to have been rather prolonged and it is just possible that Gordan wouldn't accept any shorter offer .

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Hi Chris, you might have a point mate but they played "hardball" with big Sammy, seem to be doing the exact same with Commons over the length of his we accuse the board of penny pinching and rightly so in most circumstances but this one they seem to have got right a mean Charlie Nickersarse was saying if Celtic got an offer of 5 mill for CG they would take it! btw so would I in a heartbeat, atvb jb7

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Jamiebhoy, as I think I said before, it would be crazy for Celtic to offer Commons the same wages for the next 3 years . It's becoming a bit of a pain in the arse, Commons expecting the same money guaranteed for three years until his mid 30's .

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18 Nov 2014 16:15:00
As a former GK myself think a big deal has to be made about Stevie Woods one of the main stays of the coaching staff over a decade now with his two recent success stories taking to the park tonight (possibly) (yes)(yes)

Personally, I cannot wait for the young Italian boy Fasan to get a chance boy is as agile as a CAT! and a put a lot of that down to the yoga regime Woods implemented very clever IMO

ATVB JB7

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Mate I've been hearing stories that Fasan is a good prospect. Makes you wonder if fasan being highly thought of, was one of the reason club took a gamble on signing Gordon (which has paid off well) on a free, with a view to fasan being his replacement as number 1 in the future.

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Hi DN30 we just got him tied down to a 4 year contract too mate, if you get a chance to see him just watch how agile he is! every chance of making a real impact, atvb jb7

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That's very good to hear . The wee glimpses I saw of him pre-season were very encouraging imo.

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18 Nov 2014 15:28:07
The game tonight is so difficult to call result wise.England didn't play well on Saturday but won anyway and they have pacey players up front that can hurt you but Scotland have match winners too and their confidence will be sky high with their recent results so I would settle for winning 1 nil with a dodgy penalty hailhail to home rule haha ๐Ÿ˜Š

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As an englishman (cowering smiley) I usually get pelters for backing scotland. If I made it as a pro i'd choose to play for scotland btw. I'm as optomistic as ever for a Scotland win tonight. Maloney and Mulgrew will be a miss if the line ups are to believed. But its best for Celtic Mulgre doesn't play.

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18 Nov 2014 14:00:53
I thought I had a ticket for tonight but the blokes let me down so it's beer and pizza in front of the TV. Pure gutted as I turned down a ticket for the Ireland game because I couldn't afford botrh matches :( Whos all going to the match and what's everyone prediction? I'm going for a Scotland win 2-1. FREEEDOM!

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Engurland 5-0
Rule britanua ๐Ÿ˜‹

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18 Nov 2014 13:46:12
Yes deep river and I'm sure Ronny is concentrating his efforts on winning trophies however it must be a distraction to continually be questioned on his methods in trying to attain success.if he manages to get his team playing attractive attacking winning football then a lot of that dissent will disappear. is champions league where we should judge him? it isn't a level playing field, yet celtic supporters need European football at the top table to keep them interested as there's a staleness to a league which Celtic have outgrown and before someone says we need sevco back I say that would be going backwards we need a fresh european league challenge unfortunately its unlikely to happen anytime soon but there are teams in other leagues with a similar problem in raising interest and revenue as us and I wish they would get together and form a new league that would help us all progress and compete at the highest level

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18 Nov 2014 13:58:54
Charlie mulgrew had a great game against the Irish. what I noted was his strength and commitment in retaining the ball in the closing minutes of the game. you do get the odd stray pass from him which can be costly but if he can cut this from his game he could be a right good player to have as he can cover different positions

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18 Nov 2014 06:33:36
I would just like to make a couple of things clear. I want RD to succeed. I think he will although I do have some questions. Is that allowed? Somebody over the last couple of days seems to draw a line in the sand on here and you are either full on for him or you you are an RD hater. Rediculous. The prospects if he fails are horrible as nobody else seems to want the job so why wouldn't a passionate lifelong celtic fan want him to succeed. More insultingly if you have the audacity to question anything you are not only a Hater your football knowledge is brought into question. I think if RD is ever sacked the new manager is on here as he seems to have such a high opinion of his own Football knowledge. I would also like to point out since I brought the charley Mulgrew and Scotland question up that at no point (and please feel free to go back and quote me) did I ever question Charlie's commitment. I gave 2 possible scenarios but finnished with 'I don't know!' Never once did I say he never gives 100% to celtic. Just because people have different opinions does not make them wrong and sites like this I thought were for decent fans to come on and debate those different points of view in an adult way not get personnel or insulting just because someone thinks slightly differently in what is a highly complex game. Markie

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Mark Charlie Mulgrew had a right good game, I don't know why its been over-analysed either. Its certainly not his 1st good game and hopefully isn't his last.

Neil Lennon did bring Charlie back to Celtic and he did get the best out of him - turned him into an International player and hopefully this will continue with Ronny.

I think I said the much the same last week, will take more than a few sarcastic comments to change my opinion on any subject. Football does its talking on the park and I need to see results.

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I agree with you markie, no true Celtic fan would ever want them to lose, because they disagree with the manager.
I have spoken to many Celtic supporters either at the matches, or around where I live, several of them are yet to be convinced by Ronny deila, but I have never met one fan who does not wish him to succeed.
People will always have varying opinions when talking football, that's what gives us things to talk about but the one thing that all supporters are agreed on, is the wish for the club to be successful, whoever the manager is.

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Totally agree Markie. If you have any criticism, you are a detractor or a zombie. The guy is not without fault though.

I hold my hands up Ed, during that poor run when RD flew back home, I criticised him. I was mis-lead and in hindsight, out of order.

I found the initial appointment of RD underwhelming. I wanted Rijkaard, McLaren, Di Mattio or Moyes. I did not though wish RD to fail.

I read a bit about him, how he transformed Stromsgodset, and, as mentioned on here I think, hiw they had an unreal amount of youths representing Norway or their respective nations. At that point I thought we could be on to something special and have warmed to him more and more with each passing week.

The CL was a blow. I have more concerns with our signing policy than our coach though. However, tactics and playing Berget so early and a few things here and there I have criticised RD for. Is it fair to be called a zombie, detractor or not a real fan? Not at all.

The question was raised a fortnight or so ago what legacy did NL leave. Unless you know the ins and outs of the club, that question is debatable. However I already feel that RD with the work behind the scenes in getting our club in the 21st century (some of the things we did/ didn't do were a right eye opener) has, should it continue, already left more of a legacy.

Don't mean for this to sound like any sort of proclamation, but for whatever its worth, I am now pleased with the appointment of RD and behind him 100%. The sun doesn't shine out his erse though, and there will more than likely be times when I criticise him. So when I do, please bhoys and ghirl, don't call me a zombie or a detractor or a hater or a troll. And more than anything, don't question my allegience to our fantastic club and promising young manager.

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Nobody is saying he is without fail, nobody is. Just seems there are a few people on here who will jump on his case at the least wee opportunity!

Its already been proven that points gained in the league, is on a par with 3/4 previous seasons and we are still in all competitions so what exactly is the problem?

Team is in the process of being overhauled, Rome wasn't built in a day but personally I think Delia is doing a good job so far.

Regards mulgrew and his inconsistency this season, has anyone actually stopped to consider possibility he has peaked and is on the decline no? Automatically it is Delia's fault!

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion likewise, but don't expect people not to jump to defence of their argument just to appease others

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@markiebhoys If you read back you'll see nobody accused you of saying anything about Mulgrew. It was obvious what Rayman was trying to do and it backfired big time on him. He also said none of our players have improved, read through his posts and he basically doesn't have a good word to say about our manager. If that's not being a detractor then I can only blame the school I went to and that I can't understand written words. Opinions can change but facts can't. As for the insults thing a)it's a banter site and b)look who has had a warning from the ed about his posts. I still stand by my statement that I know more about football than Rayman and Jonhymca together and I've got the SFA coaching badges to prove it, SFA YL3 & a C Licence holder. I've helped out at clubs like Alloa, Dunfermline, Albion Rovers, Hamilton, St Mirren, Cambi Rangers and Hamilton Thistle and more over the years. I know Its not exactly Real Madrid but it's "work" I've never earned a penny from except my diesel ยฃ and I've done all that while holding down a full-time job and raising a family. The mrs gave birth to our son in June so I am taking a year out from the practical side of coaching youngsters and hoping to do the next level in my badges sometime next year.

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Jim Jim. I noticed you listed three or four other people who you wanted as Manager of Celtic . I acknowledge your right to do so and you are entitled to your opinion. I am just saying that as far as I know these people have all failed as managers before and I would have thought that they would probably fail at Celtic if appointed . I am happy that we have a man who has learned his trade at a small club and should be delighted to step into a big job with Celtic.

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Fair play chris, not one person on here was saying Deila when we were without a manager though. The managers I listed though have been successful. Unsuccessful at times aye, but have had success. I just thought, at the time, they were the calibre we should have went for after NL. Like I said though, after half a decade of twi steps forward and one step backwards or sideways, I think we could be at the start if a big leap forward. That doesn't DETRACT from the fact i'm not happy at all with our signing policy. RD needs the quality to back his plan, and the board need to back his plan as well as you or me. Don't mean to be a broken record but no matter how hard you buff sh!te it doesn't look like silver.

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{Ed007's Note - I don't know about silver but how about this.}

Haha! You should see what guiness and a mince pie dinner do to mine! I'm going to buy my lass them for crimbo ed. But spike her and wait for her reaction.

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{Ed007's Note - (puke) Too much information there, Jimbo! That's pie off the menu for tonight then.}

The reason none of us were not talking about Deila for the Celtic job was probably because none of us knew about him . Just as MO'N had served his management time at a non-league side and seemed to benefit from it, so did Ronnie at an obscure Norwegian club and he even got some European experience . His time managing in Norway no doubt has benefited him . I would have wanted Deila if I had known about him . I think managers coming from the Epl or top European Leagues don't appreciate what they have at Celtic and cannot operate within our budgets .

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{Ed007's Note - The only box RD didn't tick for me was experience. Everyone knows I love the technical/scientific approach to the game and love reading and talking about. I actually think it helps you understand modern coaching better, you don't need to have been a great player to be a great manager, look at Mourinho as the perfect example, Wenger at Arsenal. The list goes on and old-school managers are decreasing, people like Allardyce and even MON are getting left behind at club level as younger managers who study the game take over.
Without dragging over old battles I think NL has to shoulder some of the blame over the diet/fitness side of things, it wouldn't have been such an issue if NL had kept up to date on scientific data, RD didn't just pull his ideas from thin air, it's the same principals and philosophy used at clubs all over the world because it's proven to be advantageous to the team. If a fitness program is good enough for Real Madrid or Man City then it should be good enough for us. No matter what manager came in they would have made drastic changes, Davie Moyes takes it to the extreme, Everton have one of the most advanced sports science set ups in the world from what I know.
Clubs are that strict about it nowadays that they are demanding certain measures from the international set-up while their players are away with them.
As the months go by I am melowing to NL's time as manager, the last year or so was rough IMO, it was stale and I made no secret I wanted him out, even though it wasn't popular to say it, especially on here where I couldn't hide from it. I now look on his time as the last old-school manager we'll have and hopefully RD wil prove that the modern methods are always the best way to go in future, Barca, Ajax even Southampton are proving it.
I think some people were expecting us to be playing a team of 19 year olds by Christmas but it's going to take time for the long term plans of RD to come to fruition on that score. There's been some hard knocks so far, the CL exits (although I still blame Gordon for the Maribor goal, btw did you see Marshall parrying it tonight straight at Rooney I think, maybe it's not just CG that exposes his defenders by doing it, doesn't make it right though and it will cost us), and the Accies game was just bad luck, sometimes games like that just happen (ICT, twice, Morton last year).
It certainly looks like the players are starting to come round to RD's way of thinking, even that takes time, if you're doing something for years it takes time to adjust, the players would even be jaded by the extra fitness training, now they are feeling the benefits and it's showing on the park as well. Charlie Mulgrew, another one I've openly slated showed on Friday night and tonight his new level of fitness, Rayman can say what he wants but that's down to his training at CFC under Delia, international football breaks don't involve much fitness training.
All in all I'm pleased, not delighted, with the way things are going and I'm looking forward to see how it plays out. If Pedro can deliver us Guidetti, get Brown on a new deal and give RD a decent budget for players who knows where we'll end up!
I haven't seen much press ridicule towards RD or Guidetti talking about winning the EL, they'll be keeping their pipes dry just in case we actually do pull it off (I'm not saying we will but stranger things have happened).
That's another thing about NL, he never talked us up, as a team not the club or fans, he never had the arrogance people accuse him of having, an ego hell yeah, but not an arrogance about his team, imagine the uproar in the press if NL said we're planning on winning the EL? His constant talking down our chances and about how lucky we were to be in the CL when you look at budgets etc etc. I always felt he was 'scared' of the press backlash if things went wrong, not to mention the more the press portrayed him as a bad guy the more the bigots lapped it up. I know 'scared's not the right word but it's 2.54 in the morning and I've just noticed how much I've typed, my wee dog has an upset stomach so I am sitting up with him for a while in case he hurls or needs out. All that was typed on a tablet as well, I've got you lot spoilt!}

We needed fitness issue addressed for a few seasons now.

It is an embarrassing state of affairs when teams like shrewsbury town and notts county raise concerns about Atajic and McGregor. Two fringe players who's fitness should of been in contention to challenge usain bolt in a sprint, with the amount of running up and down side of pitch they done. Did anyone ever take ownership of fitness issue at this point?

Up steps Deila (had to wake missus up to spellcheck Deila for me. Didn't want to upset Jim1972 again) addresses fitness issue as a problem, goes into technical detail about how he is going to rectify problem by not only training, but changing diets and gets totally slated! It's actually funny, in fact hilarious how some people are using this againist him!

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Ed, you and I are not going to agree on Lennon. I know Lennon as manager/head coach had over-all responsibility for everything to do with his players . I wonder, if fitness of players was a real issue, was Lennon let down by the club's fitness trainers and dieticans . Surely we have all seen the players wearing the( fitness?) vests which would have told the experts what work was been done, and the fitness level been achieved .

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{Ed007's Note - Of course it was an issue, every player that went out on loan or left the club had questions raised over their fitness levels, Callum McGregor had to do a full pre-season program when he joined Notts County, Shrewsbury complained about Atajic's fitness, Southampton were shocked with the results of Wanyamas pre-season fitness tests (they're different from a medical) and he came bottom of the squad in their bleep tests, yet we thought he was a machine, if you've watched him lately you'll see the difference in his game. The fact that there's room for any improvement shows that their was a problem and NL was ultimately responsible for the training program at the club. The specialists only provide the information, it's then up to the manager what he does with it.
Most managers will introduce their own methods and ideas, but not many managers have taken over a job at a top club and said the players aren't fit enough. If it wasn't an issue there wouldn't be the furore there is over the subject.}

What were the fitness coaches doing . Surely they should have been expert enough to know the standard required and have enough pride in their own job and their own skills to set the standards. Most of the players that the complaints had been made against were players who for what ever reason had little or no game time in the period leading up to the loan .
I wouldn't watch that much Epl football as my team is Celtic, but as far as I know big Victor is normally a sub with the Saints now .

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{Ed007's Note - THE MANAGER IS ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR TRAINING!!!!! What do you expect specialists to do, tell their mum? If you suggest something to your supervisor at work and he doesn't use or pass on the information to someone who can sort it out, is that your fault?
Wanyama's poor fitness levels affected him all season last season, picking up injuries and struggling in general he only managed 24 appearances all season. This season he's a mainstay in the team sitting 2nd in the EPL and is one of the most reliable performers in the league.
Tony Watt, NL, Lierse and even Billy Stark commented on his fitness, Kelvin Wilson, Notts Forest 9 apps in season 2013/14, 10 apps so far this season, he didn't get much game time either did he?
On the 7th of May this year we were beating St Johnstone 3-1 with SIX minutes to go, we ended up drawing 3-3 and after the game NL said:

'I wasn't happy with our defending for the final two goals โ€” I thought we were lazy' - Physically or mentally lazy? Top teams don't get feel it and if certain players do they're given time to rest.

'We looked heavy legged towards the end.' - Says it all really doesn't it, heavy legged after 80 mins of football, for a professional athlete whose only job is to be fit enough to play when required.

7th of Ocober 2012 (2 years ago) Celtic 1 Hearts. (Following the 3-2 win in Moscow):

'You could see the fatigue kicking in after an hour, there were players running almost on empty. Maybe with hindsight we could have freshened things up more, but we wanted to keep that momentum going. It was probably a bit of muscle heaviness that prevented us from winning the game more comfortably." - Self explanatory, good job heavy legs didn't kick in against Aberdeen following the Astra game eh? Should professional footballers be getting tired after an hour of a match? You're even risking injury playing tired players. Why didn't he realise that if the players were fitter they wouldn't get as tired? Damn those pesky specialists!

I can go on and on all night, but I said I wasn't going to go over this again. The evidence, even looking at what NL has said himself shows their was an issue with players fitness and conditioning, how many games that we lost did he mention players being tired after X game etc. It was one of his more popular excuses/reasons. He never moaned about tired legs or fatigue when players were getting dragged round the world to play meaningless, but money-spinning, friendlies.

Jan 11th/12th 2014 as Celtic are in Turkey to play the Antalya Cup after the SPFL allowed us to call of the Kilmarnock game.

'This year the players looked tired as I felt they would after the five games in 15 days over the Christmas period. It varies from season to season. We looked at it in November. All the clubs had an option to take the winter break and I made the decision there and then to do that.'

'There will be players going, players coming in. I have to think about giving players a rest and we also need to consider whether thatโ€™s the right thing to do. I think it is. - Imagine the specialists not over ruling him? Like nobody would have had a problem with that, including NL - and I'd have supported NL over it.

I wonder if our fitness coaches are still with the club . If they are I doubt if Deila has them much longer .
I really do give you great credit for your research in condemning NL . As usual it's very thorough. I wouldn't have either the patience or desire to list the very many games which Celtic have come from behind and snatched victory, I am sure there were a few during Lennon's time .
I don't understand your post about the fitness experts having to over rule N L
I would see it more like them having pride in their position . I can't believe Lennon would tell them to train the squad less that he didn't want them to be so fit . As far as I am concerned I no longer give two damns about N L as he is no longer our manager. Just as WGS moved on, as far as I am concerned Deila is our manager now, and deserves our support .
I prefer to live in the present and the future and if I have nothing good to say about an ex- celt who has served us well in different capacities, I would say nothing .

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{Ed007's Note - The fitness specialists just do the tests and pass on the information. Would a nurse try and tell a doctor/surgeon what to do after taking an x-ray. Under Deila the Performance Consultant Jim McGuiness along with Ian Coll the Head of Sports Science and Bill Styles the Fitness Coach/Asst Sports Scientist will all have an input on the training/conditioning side. If it had been a fault in that department RD would have seen it - and probably said in the press when he spoke about the subject.
These guys are professionals and spend years studying their trade, it's preposterous to question if they were doing their job right, they run tests, collate information and pass it on. It doesn't matter who says what, training is set by the manager using all available information. This isn't some old hag grabbing your haw-maws and telling you to cough, these tests are done using scientific and medical equipment, how can the people doing the tests fake the results and what's the point in them doing that? Players will be given specified training to do in the gym for strength or building stamina but when it comes down to it it's the manager that needs to enforce the regime, if a player is slacking and his tests show it, then it's the manager who deals with it, or should deal with it.
Think of the specialist as accountants and PL as NL, the accountants do all the work and report their findings to Pedro (and the board), if we're losing money is that the accountants fault or Pedro's for not dealing with it, if he can of course? The change under Deila is that he is unhappy with the player's fitness and he'll use the available data and people like McGuiness, Coll and Styles' knowledge/expertise on the best way to improve and implement the plans. There isn't a club in the land that would discard reports on players fitness after tests and bleep tests, I doubt Mourinho takes much to do with it, he knows his players will follow to the letter what the club is telling them to do to keep in peak physical condition, from building up youngsters to delicately handling an old codger like Drogba, everything is geared towards getting the best out of the players, it's why guys like Drogba, Giggs, Scholes, Rio Ferdinand Ashley Cole, JT, half the Barca team, Pirlo etc can all play into their mid-30s at least. Steven Gerrard will be 35 by the time this season finishes, do you think he could do that if he hadn't looked after himself and followed the club's advice in his 20's? Do you see Andy Carroll playing in the EPL when he's 35? He's more likely to do a John Hartson and say f**k it, I can't be bothered even trying to keep in shape, he knew himself he just couldn't go on.
It's interesting to note that Fraser Forster said this back in February, as a GK he would spend a lot of training time working away from the first-team squad doing specialised training, NL would have had very little to do with FF day to day training.

'Generally, there have been improvements across all areas of the game, whether it's technical or tactical, even the mental side of the game, Woodsy has been brilliant with that. He really understands the position.

I have obviously improved physically in the areas of strength, power and speed.

The work Stevie and Bill have put in has been absolutely fantastic and one of the key reasons for the way I have been playing.'

Where's NL in that quote? I said I wasn't wanting to drag over it all again in my original post, it's you that brought it up and questioned me - someone that supposedly doesn't give two damns for NL now.}

18 Nov 2014 02:23:51
Just looking. @ comments from last few days
Mrs E rip comment on death of fan
4 people disagreed, maybe once or twice someone hit the wrong 1, but not 4 times
Speechless And. SAD

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{Ed007's Note - Ignore them, DBB, no matter what site anything like that is mentioned on it attracts trolls. I've always been against them on the sites but it's Ed001's call when it comes down to it. Some people will disagree with anything factual just to to be awkward, all it means is we've had 4 Gilfnards visiting the site.
Click on the ads if you feel an urge to click, they help keep the sites running. Anything Mrs E does attracts attention, it's the closest some posters will ever get to female interaction. Just wait until she starts doing her weekly Player Ratings and match summary :)

Its also someone with a log-in, or at least that's the only way I can see or use the agree/disagree buttons.

Still feeling shocked this happened to the young fella at the game, a horrible tragedy.

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{Ed001's Note - I am not a fan of them on the sites either, but most of the people on the sites want them. We tried taking them off on some sites, we got swamped by people asking for them to come back. I suppose at least just clicking that means they aren't posting up abuse etc.}

To be fair Ed, its not the agree/disagree buttons fault and I don't mind them either.

I don't think that's ever happened when I've been at a game before and its just such a shame, he was only a young man.

It was a brilliant atmosphere (regardless of what some eejits/ pretend victims have posted online) and result!

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{Ed001's Note - true, I will get Ed033 to set up a way of tracking who is clicking them, so we can keep an eye out for frequent offenders who are obviously just trying to be idiots and upset people.}

@Mrs E One of my workmates was at the game with his 8yr old daughter and they both missed seeing the young lad falling by seconds. The wee lass has still not quite settled down about it. How any one can stoop to disagree with your sentiments makes you question what's going on in some folks head. I can only see they buttons when I use my laptop not on my iphone but Maybes it could be made that if you click disagree you need to type why you disagree that way they'll need to explain it or it won't show up.

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Yeah I think would improve if you were able to see who had clicked agree/disagree. not every disagree needs an explanation but it would allow you to call someone out if they repeatedly just disagree on everything without comment, or if they are being a troll and disagreeing on comments such as Mrs E's!

The internet is a funny place tho, somebody somewhere is probably getting a kick out of the fact we are now having to speak about this.

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It's hard to understand what goes on in the minds of anyone who would be expressing sympathy with the family of and the young lad that died .
When some people think they are acting anonymously, they really can make complete clowns of themselves .

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Mrs E. I enjoy your posts and tend to agree with most of your opinions. Keep up the good work. Hail Hail

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Worst part of it is, the tragic boys friends or family could frequent this site and seeing that will only fuel the pain they are suffering at losing a loved one.

These clowns don't live in the real world and deserve a right good kick in the stones

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I didn't hear the news until the Saturday morning, it took us ages to get home and just knowing he was at the same game.

Absolutely awful for the family.

Don't understand the trolling thing at all

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